Not being a BSD user, how does this distros 'spell casting' system compare to BSD ports? I've heard ports does a similar operation of downloading code and custom compiling it.
Also, Rock Linux puts out a distribution where you basically compile all the packages, but I don't think it has the update ability that Sorcerer has.
At Purdue University the poor schmoes who used to enjoy
extreme bandwidth in the dorms or on special university ADSL
lines have gotten killed by traffic shaping that the university put in place to contain Napster.
Instead of banning Napster users, everyone has a download quoata of about 200MB/24 hour period (it's a sliding window) and after that, the network will become slower than a normal 56K dialup.
I partially blame the university for not having enough bandwidth to the backbone (37,000 students running off of 2 lousy DS3's is an insult). However, the inherent structure of the Internet is not well equipped to equitably share bandwidth. TCP/IP is an inherently unfair protocol in that it vastly favors low latency locality in transfers, and that means that on Purdue's campus some people would be able to hog major bandwidth to download movies, while others would have to wait 15 minutes just to grab email.
My best guess for a solution is to turn on IPv6 and MPLS so that legitimate traffic can go through unimpeded, and the people trying to grab 800MB movies off the net can wait a week for them to arrive. (That and an OC192 backbone link).
OK, after doing a little search over the article MS is NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE in the article. I'm no MS apologist, but this is absolutely ridiculous, can some of you junior high kids out there please get lives?
What the article misses is that AMD is a huge supporter of Linux, compared with Intel.
Oh really? I seem to remember Intel going out of its way to make IA-64 run under linux. Also, how many optimizing compilers has AMD written for linux? There was a story just yesterday about Intel's new compiler for linux.
And then of course you have the brand new religious flamewar over which color the fire will be when either the Rik or "Arch Angel" VM crashes your server..... my vote is for MS blue;)
Yeah, I had the exact same idea once, there is however one problem, on my P3-600 box it took the better part of an hour to do. (I actually did a bzip2).
Now if you think about it, even a relatively slow dialup could
download that 10-15% faster (I barely got it smaller with bzip).
Plus you need to consider the fact that a smaller hard disk would be in trouble (copies of both compressed and uncompressed flying around) and that on many older machines that get linux the above process would take even longer than it did for me.
Sorry, but MANY companies still use and program in COBOL, FORTRAN and PASCAL. Before any of you claim those are "dead" languages, remember that these languages run programs that have been in use on mainframes,
Yes, and that's where they will stay... how many mainframes have you ever seen running on P3's???
As for the debilitated x87 unit, Intel is actually forging forward with the SSE2 instructions that will effectively replace it and make all our lives easier. Just read Hennessy & Patterson about how the x87 was never able to achieve more than 50% of it's theoretical performance because one operand of every instruction has to be pulled from a stack... and if your next op isn't at the top of the stack you need to pop a bunch of stuff off just keep your program intact... not fun. SSE2-> good for the future (AMD thinks so too, they will have it in the hammer line).
When we sandwich a day care center between law enforcement offices in a big federal building it's done out of convenience. (e.g. the Oklahoma City Federal Building)
That is a very poor analogy.... If Tim McVeigh had announced ONE MONTH IN ADVANCE his intention to blow up the federal building, and then the government intentionally overstuffed the place with toddlers, you might have a point. Since this obviously did NOT happen, you'v just proven the first poster right anyway.
Try the O'Reilly books on JSP and Java servlets (I much prefer servlets to JSP, but that is just my preference).
Apart from all the updates that have been made to the architecture, the ability to update servlets without having to restart the server will be VERY nice.
I also hope that the MySQL JDBC support is quickly updated to allow for the more powerful DB operations that the new specs support, that would have made my life easier last summer.
how can a WP read.DOC, but not export it, then export RTF but not import it!!
I was at LinuxTag this summer and spoke with some KOffice developers. They said that importing a simple DOC is not that hard to do, but exporting it back out is very different because MS doc files are currently done in some form of binary (not well documented as previous posters said).
Basically, he said that Kwrite could often export DOC files OK in their experimental builds, but any kind of fancy embedding or something being wrong by literally one byte... would CRASH WORD!!
So the problem isn't just that your export might not come out 100% the same under MS office, but that the file would be completely unusable.
Ok... Slashdot completely nuked my post, I'm sorry. (with a very MS like
unknown error message)
Here is the original:
Ok, as a bit of a change from the usual (and boring) MS/Bush flaming that we
will see here how about this.
WHO CARES!!
I'm constantly amazed by people who gleefully anounce to the world that they
haven't used a Microsoft product in years,
simultaneously acting like a bunch of frightened children whenever MS does
ANYTHING
CNN Anouncer: And today Microsoft anounced that Bill Gates took a
dump.
Slashdotter:The world is being taken over by EVIL corporations!! I
don't actually use any of their software, but because other people do it's
the end!! We need the government to come and save us from MS!!
Damn, you people sound like a bunch of frightened women. I certainly don't
see Linux going away anytime soon, and Redhat, Mandrake, Ximian, (especially)
Debian etc. all were founded and started under the 'MS Monopoly' and continue
to grow. If you people would just concentrate on promoting your own
software, and show it's advantages over MS (instead of praying for them to
just go away so you never have to do things like improve useability of your
software) then maybe you could actually beat them.
And onto my final rant, I'll paraphrase Mulder from an old X-Files episode:
"You can't just call up the devil and expect him to behave"
The same US government that you want to use as a mafia thug to break
Microsoft's knees is the exact same government that's prosecuting Dmitri and
doing all the DMCA stuff you don't like. You really like the government
strong-arming people when you don't like them, but then when they turn around
and attack you (duh) you bitch about it endlessly........ no wonder.
OK.. I hope last post didn't go through by mistake but we'll see
The industrial revolution did by NO MEANS make the common man poorer. In fact, the mean streets of Dickensian London were a paradise when compared to the middle ages before the 'evils' of industrialization took hold.
It's easy to look back after the Industrial Revolution and point out how bad things were in the beginning, but you make the basic logical error of forgetting that the very wealthy life that every average American enjoys today is due PRECISELY to the efforts of the 'evil' businessmen who went out and built the steel plants, and railroads.
Just go and look at some present day countries that never went through the industrial revolution. Do you really want to live in Chad, or the USA? Yeah, I thought so.
Well at my summer internship we had a Pentium Pro 200 running 2K, without any problem.
In fact, the machine was responsible for doing all the CD burning in the office, and it did the scanning and print serving too with no problem.
Of course, I also set up a Debian server to do a dynamic JSP/servlet website with Apache/Tomcat, and it ran great on a P166, so there's my dumb little anecdote for ya!
I am relatively new to APT-GET as the only Debian box I have ever setup is a small P166 server sitting here by me at work. (A little off topic but Debian is quite an efficient distro!)
My main question is that Connectiva appears to use Apt-get as well, and from what I saw Synaptic presents a nice logical UI for all this functionality, but to where is it connecting?
On debian I connect to the main debian servers for updates, back home on my Mandrake machine I connect to the Mandrake mirrors with Mandrake Update, but is Synaptic generic enough that I could replace Mandrake Update with it? Could I install Connectiva, and then try to get packages from Debian?
Obviously you could get packages from any distro manually, but the important thing is whether or not they would be able to satisfy dependencies and run, and I was wondering how much Synaptic could help in that area.
Thanks in advance for anyone who has experience here and can clarify!
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I agree it definitely was not ironic, but don't
you think you ought to say "as would be expected" instead?
I'm sorry, but this stupid troll has just invoked Godwin's law and has therefore LOST THE ARGUMENT
Not being a BSD user, how does this distros 'spell casting' system
compare to BSD ports? I've heard ports does a similar operation
of downloading code and custom compiling it.
Also, Rock Linux puts out a distribution where you basically compile all the packages, but I don't think it has the update ability that Sorcerer has.
It looks like a fun distro to try.
Actually I stole it from an episode of Mad TV making fun of Brittney Spears... ;)
The last time I saw MTV (and its been a while) it was more geared
towards teenie boppers than college students
Maybe they are hoping a whole bunch of stupid freshman with
rich parents will buy? Or is this more for the N'sync/Brittney Spheres crowd?
At Purdue University the poor schmoes who used to enjoy
extreme bandwidth in the dorms or on special university ADSL
lines have gotten killed by traffic shaping that the university put in place to contain Napster.
Instead of banning Napster users, everyone has a download quoata of about 200MB/24 hour period (it's a sliding window) and after that, the network will become slower than a normal 56K dialup.
I partially blame the university for not having enough bandwidth to the backbone (37,000 students running off of 2 lousy DS3's is an insult). However, the inherent structure of the Internet is not well equipped to equitably share bandwidth. TCP/IP is an inherently unfair protocol in that it vastly favors low latency locality in transfers, and that means that on Purdue's campus some people would be able to hog major bandwidth to download movies, while others would have to wait 15 minutes just to grab email.
My best guess for a solution is to turn on IPv6 and MPLS so that legitimate traffic can go through unimpeded, and the people trying to grab 800MB movies off the net can wait a week for them to arrive. (That and an OC192 backbone link).
I've always felt that Dilbert is an oppressive force,
1) Don't worry about 2*10^8 stupid people, just be smart and ignore them, it's a whole lot easier than trying to "make them see the light"
2) Lighten up!
OK, after doing a little search over the article MS is NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE in the article. I'm no MS apologist, but this is absolutely ridiculous, can some of you junior high kids out there please get lives?
What the article misses is that AMD is a huge supporter of Linux, compared with Intel.
Oh really? I seem to remember Intel going out of its way to make IA-64 run under linux. Also, how many optimizing compilers has AMD written for linux? There was a story just yesterday about Intel's new compiler for linux.
Here's an important one:
;)
WTF!! The VM is STILL broken!!
And then of course you have the brand new religious flamewar over which color the fire will be when either the Rik or "Arch Angel" VM crashes your server..... my vote is for MS blue
Yeah, I had the exact same idea once, there is however one problem, on my P3-600 box it took the better part of an hour to do. (I actually did a bzip2).
Now if you think about it, even a relatively slow dialup could
download that 10-15% faster (I barely got it smaller with bzip).
Plus you need to consider the fact that a smaller hard disk would be in trouble (copies of both compressed and uncompressed flying around) and that on many older machines that get linux the above process would take even longer than it did for me.
Sorry, but MANY companies still use and program in COBOL, FORTRAN and PASCAL. Before any of you claim those are "dead" languages, remember that these languages run programs that have been in use on mainframes,
Yes, and that's where they will stay... how many mainframes have you ever seen running on P3's???
As for the debilitated x87 unit, Intel is actually forging forward with the SSE2 instructions that will effectively replace it and make all our lives easier. Just read Hennessy & Patterson about how the x87 was never able to achieve more than 50% of it's theoretical performance because one operand of every instruction has to be pulled from a stack... and if your next op isn't at the top of the stack you need to pop a bunch of stuff off just keep your program intact... not fun. SSE2-> good for the future (AMD thinks so too, they will have it in the hammer line).
When we sandwich a day care center between law enforcement offices in a big federal building it's done out of convenience. (e.g. the Oklahoma City Federal Building)
That is a very poor analogy.... If Tim McVeigh had announced ONE MONTH IN ADVANCE his intention to blow up the federal building, and then the government intentionally overstuffed the place with toddlers, you might have a point. Since this obviously did NOT happen, you'v just proven the first poster right anyway.
Well I'll be damned, but the stuff compiled and installed without a hitch!
;)
Now I have almost all the eye candy that the OS X guys have been yelling about, without having to use OS X
I'd post a screenshot for everybody, but the slashdot effect could get me in too much trouble.....
Try the O'Reilly books on JSP and Java servlets (I much prefer servlets to JSP, but that is just my preference).
Apart from all the updates that have been made to the architecture, the ability to update servlets without having to restart the server will be VERY nice.
I also hope that the MySQL JDBC support is quickly updated to allow for the more powerful DB operations that the new specs support, that would have made my life easier last summer.
how can a WP read .DOC, but not export it, then export RTF but not import it!!
I was at LinuxTag this summer and spoke with some KOffice developers. They said that importing a simple DOC is not that hard to do, but exporting it back out is very different because MS doc files are currently done in some form of binary (not well documented as previous posters said).
Basically, he said that Kwrite could often export DOC files OK in their experimental builds, but any kind of fancy embedding or something being wrong by literally one byte... would CRASH WORD!!
So the problem isn't just that your export might not come out 100% the same under MS office, but that the file would be completely unusable.
As someone who lost a relative on TWA 800 my heart goes out to all those killed in the plane crashes and in the Pentagon and WTC today.
Freedom will survive!
Ok... Slashdot completely nuked my post, I'm sorry. (with a very MS like
unknown error message)
Here is the original:
Ok, as a bit of a change from the usual (and boring) MS/Bush flaming that we
will see here how about this.
WHO CARES!!
I'm constantly amazed by people who gleefully anounce to the world that they
haven't used a Microsoft product in years,
simultaneously acting like a bunch of frightened children whenever MS does
ANYTHING
CNN Anouncer: And today Microsoft anounced that Bill Gates took a
dump.
Slashdotter:The world is being taken over by EVIL corporations!! I
don't actually use any of their software, but because other people do it's
the end!! We need the government to come and save us from MS!!
Damn, you people sound like a bunch of frightened women. I certainly don't
see Linux going away anytime soon, and Redhat, Mandrake, Ximian, (especially)
Debian etc. all were founded and started under the 'MS Monopoly' and continue
to grow. If you people would just concentrate on promoting your own
software, and show it's advantages over MS (instead of praying for them to
just go away so you never have to do things like improve useability of your
software) then maybe you could actually beat them.
And onto my final rant, I'll paraphrase Mulder from an old X-Files episode:
"You can't just call up the devil and expect him to behave"
The same US government that you want to use as a mafia thug to break
Microsoft's knees is the exact same government that's prosecuting Dmitri and
doing all the DMCA stuff you don't like. You really like the government
strong-arming people when you don't like them, but then when they turn around
and attack you (duh) you bitch about it endlessly........ no wonder.
Your comment violated the postercomment compression filter. Comment aborted
Re:The mainframe's not dead...
That's right IT'S JUST RESTING!!
OK.. I hope last post didn't go through by mistake but we'll see
The industrial revolution did by NO MEANS make the common man poorer. In fact, the mean streets of Dickensian London were a paradise when compared to the middle ages before the 'evils' of industrialization took hold.
It's easy to look back after the Industrial Revolution and point out how bad things were in the beginning, but you make the basic logical error of forgetting that the very wealthy life that every average American enjoys today is due PRECISELY to the efforts of the 'evil' businessmen who went out and built the steel plants, and railroads.
Just go and look at some present day countries that never went through the industrial revolution. Do you really want to live in Chad, or the USA? Yeah, I thought so.
Well at my summer internship we had a Pentium Pro 200 running 2K, without any problem.
In fact, the machine was responsible for doing all the CD burning in the office, and it did the scanning and print serving too with no problem.
Of course, I also set up a Debian server to do a dynamic JSP/servlet website with Apache/Tomcat, and it ran great on a P166, so there's my dumb little anecdote for ya!
No, I checked Netcraft:
:)
The site www.peanuts.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris 8.
But it wouldn't hurt if they ran Peanuts for peanuts....
Yeah TRS == trash :)
I should know, I had a CoCo II (16kb wow!) and later a CoCo III (128KB... I'll never need more than that!)
However they did have one thing that modern computer makers are still striving for.... instant on capability!
I am relatively new to APT-GET as the only Debian box I have ever setup is a small P166 server sitting here by me at work. (A little off topic but Debian is quite an efficient distro!)
My main question is that Connectiva appears to use Apt-get as well, and from what I saw Synaptic presents a nice logical UI for all this functionality, but to where is it connecting?
On debian I connect to the main debian servers for updates, back home on my Mandrake machine I connect to the Mandrake mirrors with Mandrake Update, but is Synaptic generic enough that I could replace Mandrake Update with it? Could I install Connectiva, and then try to get packages from Debian?
Obviously you could get packages from any distro manually, but the important thing is whether or not they would be able to satisfy dependencies and run, and I was wondering how much Synaptic could help in that area.
Thanks in advance for anyone who has experience here and can clarify!