Firstly, go and take a historical look at the moderation of posts that make a criticism against Apple - you will find that just about all of them (including mine above) are negatively moderated.
Yes, lets take a look.
...you can still sit in Starbucks with your iPhones and your iBooks drinking your iMochachinos & just *pretend* to be having a really important conversation with someone important. Okay?
Maybe we can work out some kind of pre-arranged coded signal with you guys? Perhaps give your iMochachino a stir and we mere mortals will all pretend to be suitably impressed by you and in unison all say "Ooooh!"
Did you really expect this little nugget to get +5 insightful, my friend?
There can be only one reason for this - namely the Apple crowd feeling threatened by anyone who dares to criticise Apple.
Oh, so flamebait is OK, especially when it's directed towards the entire iPhone & iBook owning, and coffee shop visiting population.... and resentment should not be expected...
Wake the hell up. Look, I don't want to play your silly fuck-fuck games. Do you REALLY think your post didn't deserve it's moderation? Does it contain any useful information, or even a HINT that you might know what the FUCK you're talking about? Do ANY negatively moderated Apple criticisms show any fucking signs that the commenter knows what the fuck he/she is talking about? Show me the money bitch. The next time some ignorant, asshat college student with a bad job and pissy attitude writes a comment critical of something simply because they can't relate with the people who buy/use them, I will moderate them into the fucking floor, rest assured.
And quite frankly, it's the "brand sheep" who are doing more harm to the rest of us than anyone else - they part with their cash far too easily for nice looking products without considering that also those products may also support the "hidden" features of DRM and vendor lock-in as well.
And try telling me how to spend my money to support YOUR ideals again, you little fucking shit.
If you want to live the rest of your life buying generic brand shit, fucking go for it. I draw the line where you start telling ME how your shit is *good enough* for me, as if I'm putting myself on too high a pedestal for wanting some shit that fucking works reliably or God forbid, looks cool.
Linux was more stable than the Windows OS's in the past. That is not saying very much.
Of course you're going to reply, "I was talking about the kernel, not OS" and I'll say bullshit, "Linux stability" has ALWAYS, _ALWAYS_ been a direct comparison to Microsoft's current (or even past) OS. Conveniently, other real UNIX systems are left out. Hilarious!
I don't think you, nor ANY Linux enthusiast really want to get into a real Linux stability debate.
Just keep turtling, redefining what a desktop, OS, kernel, is until you find a corner that has no major issues (at least in relation to whomever you see as the current anti-Linux).
All the while, you blame bad hardware, closed specs, NDA's, corporations, whatever you need to to feel secure.
Linux was only "ROCK solid stable" if you never touched it. Don't upgrade the software, don't add hardware. Yah, it was a rock alright.
Having a VM-agnostic storage makes migration easy. [...clipped...] We lost the ability to do live migrations for now but beyond that is was a good opporunity to see just how important an VM-agnostic disk storage array is. (I'm not the admin of those machines but I believe we are using iSCSI).
Long time VMWare supporter, so I may be a bit biased, but..
First, live migrations are a very big f'ing deal to those who use that feature, not exactly something companies can just brush off easily. What on Earth is VM-agnostic disk storage? Most storage is _platform_ agnostic... I've never heard of a storage system that depended on a particular VM system before. Are you referring to attaching storage directly to the guest VM's instead of through the host? NFS, Fibre Channel with NPIV, and iSCSI all allow for this. VMWare supports all of those, to the host, and to the guests. I'm willing to bet FOSS virtualization is limited to guest NFS and iSCSI, yes?
I've been keeping an eye on open source virtualization products, and some do look promising. Some places sure should look at both commercial, and free(commercial disguised as such) products, but the high end of what VMWare on a real SAN can do is far, far off from what freeish virtualization can do. Let's be serious here, enterprise virtualization is NOT free any way you dice it.
I suppose if you're running 280 VM's over iSCSI you _would_ be a candidate for FOSS... don't read too far into that, it's not an insult.
What is a "proper sun box"? They make a wide range of stuff from x86, to low/medium/high end SPARC that have no x86 parallels.
Sort of like saying buying Fords were cheaper than all the "proper" Internationals or Macks you're replacing. Well, duh... maybe you only needed a light truck to begin with. I mean, if your writing them off as cheaper equivalents... HAH! Good luck with that.
UNIX programmers (the majority of FOSS developers) design software the way that they would want it to be used. It makes sense to other programmers
As a UNIX admin, fuck you. Maybe you've forgotten who the hell you write code for? If it's "ME, and I'm a developer" then fuck you twice, you're going to lose mindshare to Solaris, fast.
Windows and Mac OS X systems and applications are easy to use because the front end has been designed to meet all usual purposes, even if it cuts back on the functionality.
You are delusional. I'm willing to bet you haven't worked with/been a Windows administrator. In fact, you don't seem to be a UNIX admin either. Also, talking about UNIX in such a broad, oversimplified manner, while excluding OS X is HILARIOUS! Apparently you are comparing desktop environments of Windows, OS X, and GNOME and/or KDE. Care to explain how GNOME or KDE are more functional than the OS X or Windows desktop environments? I'm waiting...
Linux and most UNIX systems and applications are harder to use because they are built with the architecture of the code in mind.
This is an advantage over building applications with user's workflows, and usability expectations in mind?
Users, on the other hand, focus less on the architecture of the software they are using than on the front end.
May I ask, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK COMPUTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?
A good UNIX program can easily work with other UNIX programs, and a good UNIX program is made as general as possible to maximize speed and reduce bloat as the program advances.
Windows applications work easily with other Windows applications, OS X applications work easily with other OS X applications, and show me a bloated UNIX application that gets less bloated over time. Explain how this is unique to "UNIX".
I think application programmers should keep the Firefox success in mind when they develop code, even though it will be much more expensive and time consuming than the UNIX mentality since they will have to keep stopping what they are doing to release and polish versions for users (essentially dead forking every couple of months).
Cool, I think I should win a million bucks tomorrow.
Please, FLOSS volunteers, donate MORE of your time to your free projects. Keep firefox in mind, and continue volunteering your time until the fruits of your labor are indistinguishable in quality from what PAID developers produce.
Do you have ANY idea what makes free software WORK, kid? I bet you think FLOSS developers should devote more time to documentation, internationalization, usability, and then "just make it work" too? Keep on wishing...
Man, why do I have to choose between friend or foe? Why can't I just mark people "dumbass", and get little dunce caps over their posts so I can read them for my own amusement?
I also need more mod options, like -1 Straw Man -1 Missed the Point -1 Changed the Subject -1 Read About it On the Internet +1 Overheard From Coworker +2 Has Touched the Technology He/She is Talking About +3 Implemented it +5 Created it
and of course here, I'd use one of these -1 Disagrees For Sake of Disagreeing -1 Empty Arguments and Defenseless Claims =0 Writes Long Posts That Only Amount to "I Disagree", Garnering Way Too Many +1 "Me Too" Mods
Please forgive me for not replying directly to any these empty points. Oh hell, I'll just pick one at random...
Do you think the Iphone would be getting even a fraction of media coverage it gets, if it wasn't produced by Apple?
Do you have ANY idea what this product would look like if it weren't produced by Apple? I'll tell you! It would look exactly like all the claimed "iPhone killers" that were already on the market or coming to the market. Are any of them popular enough to warrant any media coverage at all? Now, be honest, which came first? iPhone popularity, or media coverage? Are you really sure the answer you were looking for could be obtained with that question?
If a different country decided to overthrow the government of Iraq, would the UN support them the same? Now, THAT's how you start a pointless argument, buddy.
Ok fine, do that. I urge the entire Linux user community to please tune out anything that has to do with Solaris, Windows, Mac OS X, and any OS that isn't derived from sacred Linux code. Don't even look at a Mac or Vista desktop, you wouldn't be interested, nothing to see there. Linux is perfect, and in every way. It's not even useful to draw comparisons between Linux and other ungodly OS's, so just run a mental grep -v Apple|Sun|Mac|Solaris|Windows|Microsoft filter on everything you read. Correct my regex, and I'll end you. Don't ponder what a commercial OS can do on proprietary hardware, x86 is the best hardware EVAR. Linux is a better desktop than Windows and Mac OS X COMBINED, and a better server OS than Solaris, AIX, HPUX, and I hear it even gives Z/OS a run for its money.
Just stay in your happy place, and you'll all be fine.
I hate the edges on my MacBook. It's rugged and sleek, but a pain in the ass to type on for a long time. I like being able to pick it up with one hand without the cheap feeling, bending of plastic that I get with other laptops. Heat is sometimes a problem, but my Latitude can't stay in my lap for much longer. Overall, I've been happy with it.
Can't relate to your developer tools experience though, couldn't be much simpler to install XCode, and not sure what 'basic' could possibly mean otherwise.
Well, since you're going to be a dick about it, I'd take a wild guess that all of this is fairly innovative.
multi-touch and uses gestures. The screen isn't multi-touch; the body is manufactured out of one piece of aluminum. Eco-friendly, yet sturdy
Feel free to snipe back with some more straw men, I'm sure someone somewhere said each and every feature in this list, by itself, was the best thing evar, and Apple invented it.
ZOMGWTF, my soda can is made of aluminum, Apple just ripped off Coca Cola!
particularly with consumer hardware which has many internal paths with no checksums at all.
but, are there any hardware checksums AT ALL in the Intel PC architecture, aside from add-on cards such as HBAs which only protect external data?
PCIe, and ECC ram at least do some kind of error correction, what, two and one bits worth respectively? I think that's it.
This is one of the biggest differences between cheapo Intel hardware and proprietary stuff from Sun, Fujitsu, IBM, HP, etc. I can't really feel sorry for people who saved a few bucks implementing critical systems on cheap hardware and didn't bother implementing the proper levels of software error correction. They got what they paid for.
I'm incredibly frustrated at work seeing certain individuals try to displace our neglected Solaris environment with Linux. I'm the only sane enough person to ask "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY?", and all I get is close-minded Linux feedback loop dribble. "It's just easier." What, easier to manage our SAN storage? HA! Easier to find out what the system is doing? ROFL! Easier to patch? Wait... WHY? "I only need to reboot when there's a kernel update." ROFLMAO, good luck with that buddy, let me know how that works out on 100+ servers with six months of libraries and other dependancies being swapped out from under the processes using them.
It's not Linux, it's not open source, it's not free software, I don't even feel it's the fault of my coworkers. I think they were sucked in by Linux dogma. Maybe it's just the Linux community that's to blame. Hate is a strong word, but when faced with extreme ignorance it's often the first emotion to appear.
What just really bugs me is all the people claiming Linux is superior to Windows, Solaris, Mac OS X, HPUX, AIX, VMS, Z OS (seriously, start asking Linux users to point out a superior system, or at least weigh in on pros/cons of each and you'll see the problem). Way to much Linux dogma with little understanding of other systems. Even the "senior" admins I work with can't seem to grasp why an OS might want to enforce a reboot after updates, or not simply overwrite shit.
I do believe Linux makes a wonderful OS for UNIX developers, and those wishing to explore the inner workings of a (desktop) computer, and it should stand out on its own right. This incessant fighting to replace all of X, Y and Z with Linux is really destroying it's credibility; not everyone is as gullible as the young, naive, geeky, Windows user crowd the Linux community tends to feed on.
I really want to agree with you, and just like it for what it is... an honorable community driven effort to develop a free UNIX-like OS. It gets harder and harder to like Linux when it starts getting pushed by people... now it's business, and Linux WILL get some cuts and bruises.
The DNS server might be one of ten, fifty, hundreds, maybe more different servers that an admin has to care about. The person deploying a machine might not have ANY clue whatsoever about the exact package configuration on a given machine. It might even be a repurposed machine, or one providing general network service to which DNS is added later on. It might have even BEEN a caching DNS server previously!
The whole idea of a package that merely overwrites another package's primary configuration file is absolutely flawed. The two packages should be mutually exclusive.
I'm sick and tired of the Linux crowd berating other systems such as Solaris and Windows because updates often require reboots, or because they sometimes break things (Solaris/sendmail.cf ALWAYS gets brought up), or because single user mode is recommended. You'd get the impression that Linux uses some magical pixie dust, and never needs to be restarted after any update other than a new kernel, and anything other than the kernel can be hot swapped out with a million users logged in using it. Look at the responses here. Something that is obviously poorly engineered by the vendor gets brushed under the rug and labeled a user error. Every time an update screws up some running processes, it's "oh you should have had everyone log off first". When a configuration file gets overwritten it's "you should have tested it outside of production first". Does anyone realize that when you start taking all of these precautions, Linux starts to be just as much a pain in the ass as any other OS? Linux is easy when admins are lazy, and not doing their job.
I fucking HATE "Linux people" now. People pushing it where it's not ready to go, and without understanding why other systems are different first. You're all just as bad as the same ugly windows crowd that was always repressing you a few years back. Now Linux is more accepted, but the fanboys just switched sides, that's all. A new generation of young idiots. Given OS X, Windows, and Solaris, Linux is totally fucking useless. Now, I appreciate and support free software, but let's not get the ideological, philosophical, and technical aspects of Linux mixed up here. I do not want open or free software to go away, but I do want the supporters to try to understand what others systems do differently and not assume the Linux way is best.
Let me calm down... please appreciate open source software because of the openness, not some imagined technical superiority. Linux is far, far, far away from that.
we dont say its all hype. we say its mostly hype. when it comes to ipod, you have to reckon that in a wide array of products, there will eventually be 1 or 2 actually competitive products every once in a while. still, success of ipod has been reinforced with the loyalty and zealotry of fans, this noone can deny. there had been similar products in the market, but none of them were as hyped as ipod or had a huge name doing pr campaigns.
The hype is all in your head. OK, the iPod is propped up solely by a few zealots buying them hand over fist, or are there THAT many zealots? There have been similar products, and not one of them works better than an iPod + iTunes.
Now, without the horrible punctuation, please explain why you think you're hearing mostly hype about Apple, and why you're sure you have a firm grip on reality.
I could build a car from junkyard parts with the same specs as a nice BMW. Probably even better specs, I bet I could find a big V8 for it somewhere in most American junkyards.
It's not the same car, in any way, shape, or form.
You're one of those people who'd say "pffft, who needs AC?", "I don't care if it doesn't look good", "I LIKE rebuilding it every few years", "The amount of time & effort I put into configuring it doesn't count".
And, you're full of stinky shit!
Their computers are nothing other than a pretty package with a pretty GUI on an old reliable system that comes at a price that is nearly 2x what a DUI system of similar specs and OS would cost.
Prove it. Right here in the forum, show me the parts, cost, and time, and I'll show you why you're a dumbass.
No, don't bother it'll never get through your thick head, and all I'll get are "I didn't want that feature anyway", "Size doesn't matter", "Who needs that much cache?", "I don't like FBDIMMS", "Software doesn't count".
Are we still talking about Windows & OS X??? What will Microsoft allow that Apple wont? Forgive me, it's been a while (yesterday) since I've last used a windows machine.
Are you trying to somehow credit open source software with bringing together disparate development teams on total different projects to test & QA their software releases together? That's insane.
Be realistic, whatever system-wide stability advantage Linux (the OS) has is because of the centralized distribution model now commonly used, and can be credited solely to the maintainers of said distribution. Even the centralization hasn't been all that great until recent years, and you still have to use caution installing anything outside your "package manager". For sure, Free software helps when doing system-wide integration testing, but it is absolutely not required to get the same levels of stability as Linux. Another method might be, I don't know... maintaining a well documented, backwards compatible programming interfaces, or issuing updates to partners in advance so they could get some QA cycles in?
Since Windows is a closed-source product, only the maker (Microsoft) knows how to fix vulnerabilities.
Just stop, YOU don't know how to fix most vulnerabilities, and probably wouldn't accept a patch from some random neighbor either. You line up in front of your vendor and take what you can get like anyone else.
If you happen to be one of the few who writes your own fixes for the open source software you use, kudos, you're one in a million.
You pay for the transfer medium and a license to use the contents of it. What, it's a scam to sell software now? Oh, or music, whatever you're ranting about...
First of all, if the reproduction costs of ANYTHING, tangible or not, fall to zero or near zero, there are still additional significant costs in facilities & manpower required to create the original and run the reproduction equipment. Hell, datacenters, internet connections, webservers, and admins are _nowhere_ near free, so I'm not sure you've entirely though this through before.
The "laws" of supply and demand STILL apply, as not everybody is out writing/performing/authoring/taking quality software, music, books, articles, photographs, etc, and if everyone WAS, they'd still apply, we'd just pay a lot less for this stuff.
What kind of fairy land do you live in where it's embarrassing to make a profit selling things that are easily reproduced by others? Do you really aim to remove all incentives from doing creative work? Are you suggesting that trade be regulated such that pricing is decided by dividing design costs by number of consumers? I can't think of a model more artificial than that!
My definition of creative work is something produced with mostly a mental effort, and therefore able to be replicated fairly easily.
Do you see that with lower manufacturing/reproduction costs, it's EASIER for competitors to enter the market? Protection of these creative trades IS required if you want to continue seeing high quality works. We could argue all day over to what extremes they should be protected, but it is in our best interest to keep it a healthy market one way or another.
Now, comparing creative works with food, a necessity, is just plain WRONG. I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this, but that BS won't fly past me. The hypothetical question of whether cheaply/freely reproducible food should be given away has JACK SHIT to do with giving away creative works. What are your motives for this? You want entirely free music, software, or literature? Are you going to go out and make the world a better place if we give it to you? Are you going to create your own and give it away for the same purpose? GO AHEAD, ULTRA-ALTRUISTIC MAN! You want to call the rest of the world embarrassing because we participate in a free market that's been working out just fine, shame on you!
Every single decent feature of Windows will be denied and refuted by Linux zealots. The shoe used to be on the other foot, and Linux advocates had to prove Linux was good enough (as Windows on servers). Now, Windows, Solaris, Mac users/professionals, and anyone else the Linux camp deems a threat have to battle a constant onslaught of ignorance, and intentional FUD even!
Windows to some degree had this coming, if for nothing else simply because it was/is a the most popular choice in IT circles and homes, and that caused many to completely ignore past or present alternatives. I even practiced some Windows hate in my day:) Until I moved on from Linux to Solaris at work, and Macs at home...
When it started to spill over into debates of Linux vs. Solaris on servers, and Linux vs. Macs on desktops, well... having used all of these platforms, and based on the contents of the debates, I think the Linux community is largely composed of ignorant, unprofessional kids at this point. That would be fine, if I didn't have to work with them eventually. Linux users are as bad as Windows users now. They don't really want choice, Linux is the answer to everything! To hell with how poor the desktop integration is, it's good enough to replace Windows, Mac OS X, you name it. Lets overlook how horrible managing SAN devices is, or how the other OSs have advanced ten fold, and leapt from 'just ahead' to years ahead of Linux in the past few years in this area, Linux is just fine!
Where commercial OS vendors make advancements, it's met with "Why didn't they just use the Linux stuff/way", and "Oh, they have Not Invented Here syndrome". Poo poo on Sun and Apple's new init systems, we want plain old Sys V init scripts here. Pfft, ZFS.. who needs it, they should have kept volume management and filesystems separate, unintegrated and complex, stupid Sun. Patches that require reboots? Gah, so arcane, nothing like the power of our magical package management systems that will overwrite system files just like any other patch system without even HINTING at the possible need for rebooting. That's my personal favorite, the notion that after switching from Solaris to Linux, we wont have to reboot after patching, EVER, unless it's a kernel patch, and it's so immediately obvious which applications we need to restart after patching to keep the system stable. You can tell I just can't wait for this to happen at work, right? Oh, and Expose is just eye candy, look, my windows wobble when I move them, I'm as cool as a Mac.
I know, but there comes a time where for all practical purposes you have to stop being metaphysical and accept that that cigar IS a cigar.
What IS a cigar, and how do you classify them? That's not metaphysics, buddy.
Are you suggesting that to "stop being metaphysical", we have to unconditionally agree with your assumptions? Were you home-schooled or something? Science has almost nil to do with metaphysics. They're damned near opposites of each other. You appear to be unable to draw a distinction between philosophy and science.
How many keyboards and how many mice do you think people can comfortably plug into one console? Not all families have the money for four consoles and four TVs, or for four PCs and four monitors.
Between the 2-4 USB ports and Bluetooth? I would guess at _least_ one keyboard and one mouse? Are you suggesting that split-screen modes would require all players to use the same controller? Well, they wouldn't. Just as everyone doesn't need a wheel to play split-screen racing games. Helloooooooo?
WTF, 'supporting' K&M doesn't mean 'require them in any and all circumstances'.
PCI-DSS isn't bulletproof, it's just some security guidelines the payment card industry must follow.
The source of the breach obviously didn't meet the PCI compliancy requirements if the hackers had the PIN numbers (and the rest of the information) which is supposed to be encrypted.
You don't know this. The DSS doesn't go into great details of how to properly implement the systems that keep your pin encrypted or secured from the keys on an ATM all the way to your bank's database. The crypto systems involved in this are complex and are certainly able to be compromised if not managed well.
This could very, very, very likely have been an inside job. Either that or whoever was managing these ATMs was using some very nonstandard equipment. Or both? Only the FBI and the hackers know at this point:\
Do you have any idea what the impact of ILOVEYOU and Code Red were on corporate Windows systems? Let me assure you, these systems had administrators. All jokes about Windows administrators aside, they're actually more competent than many of you kids think.
What about SQL Slammer? That was anything but insignificant, and I'm pretty darned sure most SQL servers do in fact have administrators taking care of them. Don't think for a damned second that the average Oracle admin knows a damn thing more about system security than a SQL admin would.
All I'm trying to say, is a good Linux worm would be the freaking cat's pajamas, and I believe there are more public, Internet facing corporate Linux servers than Windows at the moment, and these are run largely by people who regard rsync as an enterprise backup solution. These are the same people that would rather build and maintain their own iSCSI server than ask the company to plunk down for another FC HBA or two. So, please don't just assume every "Linux admin" will have the most secured, locked down configuration in the world, unless they're only managing something like five servers. That really goes for sysadmins of any system, don't assume a Solaris, Window, Mac, Linux, whatever admin to go over the entire enterprise environment with a fine toothed comb, writing personalized firewall rules for each box.
Erm... sorry, I must be a little jaded by the goings on at work, and I've lost touch with the Linux world ever since I read a large article on storage in Linux Magazine that filed two pages with iSCSI and Infiniband of all things, with no mention of Fibre Channel. Linux admins are from a different f'ing planet or something.
Wow, why is the parent +5 Insightful? Moderators just out there circle-jerking now?
Wow.. you just described my absolute hatred of Apple and their philosophy. WHAT do you consider their philosophy to be? Please explain, because I think you are horribly misguided. 'Absolute hatred' is a little strong for a company that makes computers and software, no?
What you have here is two distict, yet separate groups: The idiot-proof, lowest-common-denominator, who wants things to work (and simply). The more adventurous, possibly more knowledgeable individuals who like options. From WHAT are these two groups defined? The whole world? Care to provide any reasoning for this egregious over-generalization? Are you SURE there might not exist a group of people in the world who are "more adventurous, possibly more knowledgeable individuals who like options" AND "want things to work (and simply)"? In fact, is there anything wrong with "idiot-proofing", or appealing to the lowest-common-denominator? You might be surprised how much more efficiently things run when you employ those two concepts.
I will NEVER purchase an iAnything. Why? Because I like to tweak, tinker, and have options. Hopefully, someday when you're older, you'll put aside your prejudices and open your eyes up. Maybe even explore stuff you know absolutely nothing about. Well, one can hope.
The problem with a locked-down, "Do it our way only" philosophy is it encourages laziness and contentment. Who's got this "Do it our way only" philosophy? APPLE?! Please, do explain!
How many of us got curious, or felt adventurous enough, to tinker with something technological (broken or not) just to figure out how it works (or even make it better or more suited to our needs)? Which, through trial and error, only encouraged us to venture out further and learn even more when our curiousity was piqued? If we never had the oportunity to break something or toy with the horizons on our own, we'd never be as knowledgeable in a technological fashion as we are. (Referring here to fellow/.'ers). I sure as hell did, and that curiosity is one of the reasons I bought a Mac (oh, the horror). Did it rot my brain cells, give me cancer, stifle my creativity, or end my curiosity?
NO.
I urge you to search for any prejudices you may harbor and try to see the world as more than black and white. It might be very beneficial to you, in areas much less trivial than deciding which high-tech gadgets to play with (as if you must artificially limit yourself to only those gadgets who's vendor's "philosophy" agrees with you in the first place, sheesh).
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Firstly, go and take a historical look at the moderation of posts that make a criticism against Apple - you will find that just about all of them (including mine above) are negatively moderated.
Yes, lets take a look.
...you can still sit in Starbucks with your iPhones and your iBooks drinking your iMochachinos & just *pretend* to be having a really important conversation with someone important. Okay?
Maybe we can work out some kind of pre-arranged coded signal with you guys? Perhaps give your iMochachino a stir and we mere mortals will all pretend to be suitably impressed by you and in unison all say "Ooooh!"
Did you really expect this little nugget to get +5 insightful, my friend?
There can be only one reason for this - namely the Apple crowd feeling threatened by anyone who dares to criticise Apple.
Oh, so flamebait is OK, especially when it's directed towards the entire iPhone & iBook owning, and coffee shop visiting population. ... and resentment should not be expected...
Wake the hell up. Look, I don't want to play your silly fuck-fuck games. Do you REALLY think your post didn't deserve it's moderation? Does it contain any useful information, or even a HINT that you might know what the FUCK you're talking about?
Do ANY negatively moderated Apple criticisms show any fucking signs that the commenter knows what the fuck he/she is talking about? Show me the money bitch. The next time some ignorant, asshat college student with a bad job and pissy attitude writes a comment critical of something simply because they can't relate with the people who buy/use them, I will moderate them into the fucking floor, rest assured.
And quite frankly, it's the "brand sheep" who are doing more harm to the rest of us than anyone else - they part with their cash far too easily for nice looking products without considering that also those products may also support the "hidden" features of DRM and vendor lock-in as well.
And try telling me how to spend my money to support YOUR ideals again, you little fucking shit.
If you want to live the rest of your life buying generic brand shit, fucking go for it. I draw the line where you start telling ME how your shit is *good enough* for me, as if I'm putting myself on too high a pedestal for wanting some shit that fucking works reliably or God forbid, looks cool.
Linux was more stable than the Windows OS's in the past. That is not saying very much.
Of course you're going to reply, "I was talking about the kernel, not OS" and I'll say bullshit, "Linux stability" has ALWAYS, _ALWAYS_ been a direct comparison to Microsoft's current (or even past) OS. Conveniently, other real UNIX systems are left out. Hilarious!
I don't think you, nor ANY Linux enthusiast really want to get into a real Linux stability debate.
Just keep turtling, redefining what a desktop, OS, kernel, is until you find a corner that has no major issues (at least in relation to whomever you see as the current anti-Linux).
All the while, you blame bad hardware, closed specs, NDA's, corporations, whatever you need to to feel secure.
Linux was only "ROCK solid stable" if you never touched it. Don't upgrade the software, don't add hardware. Yah, it was a rock alright.
Having a VM-agnostic storage makes migration easy. [...clipped...] We lost the ability to do live migrations for now but beyond that is was a good opporunity to see just how important an VM-agnostic disk storage array is. (I'm not the admin of those machines but I believe we are using iSCSI).
Long time VMWare supporter, so I may be a bit biased, but..
First, live migrations are a very big f'ing deal to those who use that feature, not exactly something companies can just brush off easily.
What on Earth is VM-agnostic disk storage? Most storage is _platform_ agnostic... I've never heard of a storage system that depended on a particular VM system before. Are you referring to attaching storage directly to the guest VM's instead of through the host? NFS, Fibre Channel with NPIV, and iSCSI all allow for this. VMWare supports all of those, to the host, and to the guests. I'm willing to bet FOSS virtualization is limited to guest NFS and iSCSI, yes?
I've been keeping an eye on open source virtualization products, and some do look promising.
Some places sure should look at both commercial, and free(commercial disguised as such) products, but the high end of what VMWare on a real SAN can do is far, far off from what freeish virtualization can do. Let's be serious here, enterprise virtualization is NOT free any way you dice it.
I suppose if you're running 280 VM's over iSCSI you _would_ be a candidate for FOSS... don't read too far into that, it's not an insult.
What is a "proper sun box"? They make a wide range of stuff from x86, to low/medium/high end SPARC that have no x86 parallels.
Sort of like saying buying Fords were cheaper than all the "proper" Internationals or Macks you're replacing.
Well, duh... maybe you only needed a light truck to begin with. I mean, if your writing them off as cheaper equivalents... HAH! Good luck with that.
UNIX programmers (the majority of FOSS developers) design software the way that they would want it to be used. It makes sense to other programmers
As a UNIX admin, fuck you. Maybe you've forgotten who the hell you write code for?
If it's "ME, and I'm a developer" then fuck you twice, you're going to lose mindshare to Solaris, fast.
Windows and Mac OS X systems and applications are easy to use because the front end has been designed to meet all usual purposes, even if it cuts back on the functionality.
You are delusional. I'm willing to bet you haven't worked with/been a Windows administrator. In fact, you don't seem to be a UNIX admin either. Also, talking about UNIX in such a broad, oversimplified manner, while excluding OS X is HILARIOUS! Apparently you are comparing desktop environments of Windows, OS X, and GNOME and/or KDE. Care to explain how GNOME or KDE are more functional than the OS X or Windows desktop environments? I'm waiting...
Linux and most UNIX systems and applications are harder to use because they are built with the architecture of the code in mind.
This is an advantage over building applications with user's workflows, and usability expectations in mind?
Users, on the other hand, focus less on the architecture of the software they are using than on the front end.
May I ask, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK COMPUTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?
A good UNIX program can easily work with other UNIX programs, and a good UNIX program is made as general as possible to maximize speed and reduce bloat as the program advances.
Windows applications work easily with other Windows applications, OS X applications work easily with other OS X applications, and show me a bloated UNIX application that gets less bloated over time. Explain how this is unique to "UNIX".
I think application programmers should keep the Firefox success in mind when they develop code, even though it will be much more expensive and time consuming than the UNIX mentality since they will have to keep stopping what they are doing to release and polish versions for users (essentially dead forking every couple of months).
Cool, I think I should win a million bucks tomorrow.
Please, FLOSS volunteers, donate MORE of your time to your free projects. Keep firefox in mind, and continue volunteering your time until the fruits of your labor are indistinguishable in quality from what PAID developers produce.
Do you have ANY idea what makes free software WORK, kid? I bet you think FLOSS developers should devote more time to documentation, internationalization, usability, and then "just make it work" too? Keep on wishing...
Man, why do I have to choose between friend or foe?
Why can't I just mark people "dumbass", and get little dunce caps over their posts so I can read them for my own amusement?
I also need more mod options, like
-1 Straw Man
-1 Missed the Point
-1 Changed the Subject
-1 Read About it On the Internet
+1 Overheard From Coworker
+2 Has Touched the Technology He/She is Talking About
+3 Implemented it
+5 Created it
and of course here, I'd use one of these
-1 Disagrees For Sake of Disagreeing
-1 Empty Arguments and Defenseless Claims
=0 Writes Long Posts That Only Amount to "I Disagree", Garnering Way Too Many +1 "Me Too" Mods
Please forgive me for not replying directly to any these empty points. Oh hell, I'll just pick one at random...
Do you think the Iphone would be getting even a fraction of media coverage it gets, if it wasn't produced by Apple?
Do you have ANY idea what this product would look like if it weren't produced by Apple? I'll tell you! It would look exactly like all the claimed "iPhone killers" that were already on the market or coming to the market.
Are any of them popular enough to warrant any media coverage at all? Now, be honest, which came first? iPhone popularity, or media coverage?
Are you really sure the answer you were looking for could be obtained with that question?
If a different country decided to overthrow the government of Iraq, would the UN support them the same?
Now, THAT's how you start a pointless argument, buddy.
Ok fine, do that. I urge the entire Linux user community to please tune out anything that has to do with Solaris, Windows, Mac OS X, and any OS that isn't derived from sacred Linux code.
Don't even look at a Mac or Vista desktop, you wouldn't be interested, nothing to see there. Linux is perfect, and in every way. It's not even useful to draw comparisons between Linux and other ungodly OS's, so just run a mental grep -v Apple|Sun|Mac|Solaris|Windows|Microsoft filter on everything you read. Correct my regex, and I'll end you.
Don't ponder what a commercial OS can do on proprietary hardware, x86 is the best hardware EVAR. Linux is a better desktop than Windows and Mac OS X COMBINED, and a better server OS than Solaris, AIX, HPUX, and I hear it even gives Z/OS a run for its money.
Just stay in your happy place, and you'll all be fine.
Oh, and don't forget to drink the koolaid!
I hate the edges on my MacBook. It's rugged and sleek, but a pain in the ass to type on for a long time. I like being able to pick it up with one hand without the cheap feeling, bending of plastic that I get with other laptops. Heat is sometimes a problem, but my Latitude can't stay in my lap for much longer. Overall, I've been happy with it.
Can't relate to your developer tools experience though, couldn't be much simpler to install XCode, and not sure what 'basic' could possibly mean otherwise.
Well, since you're going to be a dick about it, I'd take a wild guess that all of this is fairly innovative.
multi-touch and uses gestures. The screen isn't multi-touch; the body is manufactured out of one piece of aluminum. Eco-friendly, yet sturdy
Feel free to snipe back with some more straw men, I'm sure someone somewhere said each and every feature in this list, by itself, was the best thing evar, and Apple invented it.
ZOMGWTF, my soda can is made of aluminum, Apple just ripped off Coca Cola!
I agree with you,
particularly with consumer hardware which has many internal paths with no checksums at all.
but, are there any hardware checksums AT ALL in the Intel PC architecture, aside from add-on cards such as HBAs which only protect external data?
PCIe, and ECC ram at least do some kind of error correction, what, two and one bits worth respectively? I think that's it.
This is one of the biggest differences between cheapo Intel hardware and proprietary stuff from Sun, Fujitsu, IBM, HP, etc.
I can't really feel sorry for people who saved a few bucks implementing critical systems on cheap hardware and didn't bother implementing the proper levels of software error correction. They got what they paid for.
I'm incredibly frustrated at work seeing certain individuals try to displace our neglected Solaris environment with Linux. I'm the only sane enough person to ask "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY?", and all I get is close-minded Linux feedback loop dribble.
"It's just easier."
What, easier to manage our SAN storage? HA!
Easier to find out what the system is doing? ROFL!
Easier to patch? Wait... WHY? "I only need to reboot when there's a kernel update." ROFLMAO, good luck with that buddy, let me know how that works out on 100+ servers with six months of libraries and other dependancies being swapped out from under the processes using them.
It's not Linux, it's not open source, it's not free software, I don't even feel it's the fault of my coworkers. I think they were sucked in by Linux dogma. Maybe it's just the Linux community that's to blame. Hate is a strong word, but when faced with extreme ignorance it's often the first emotion to appear.
What just really bugs me is all the people claiming Linux is superior to Windows, Solaris, Mac OS X, HPUX, AIX, VMS, Z OS (seriously, start asking Linux users to point out a superior system, or at least weigh in on pros/cons of each and you'll see the problem).
Way to much Linux dogma with little understanding of other systems. Even the "senior" admins I work with can't seem to grasp why an OS might want to enforce a reboot after updates, or not simply overwrite shit.
I do believe Linux makes a wonderful OS for UNIX developers, and those wishing to explore the inner workings of a (desktop) computer, and it should stand out on its own right. This incessant fighting to replace all of X, Y and Z with Linux is really destroying it's credibility; not everyone is as gullible as the young, naive, geeky, Windows user crowd the Linux community tends to feed on.
I really want to agree with you, and just like it for what it is... an honorable community driven effort to develop a free UNIX-like OS. It gets harder and harder to like Linux when it starts getting pushed by people... now it's business, and Linux WILL get some cuts and bruises.
ROFL, good luck with that!
The DNS server might be one of ten, fifty, hundreds, maybe more different servers that an admin has to care about. The person deploying a machine might not have ANY clue whatsoever about the exact package configuration on a given machine. It might even be a repurposed machine, or one providing general network service to which DNS is added later on. It might have even BEEN a caching DNS server previously!
The whole idea of a package that merely overwrites another package's primary configuration file is absolutely flawed. The two packages should be mutually exclusive.
I'm sick and tired of the Linux crowd berating other systems such as Solaris and Windows because updates often require reboots, or because they sometimes break things (Solaris/sendmail.cf ALWAYS gets brought up), or because single user mode is recommended. You'd get the impression that Linux uses some magical pixie dust, and never needs to be restarted after any update other than a new kernel, and anything other than the kernel can be hot swapped out with a million users logged in using it. Look at the responses here. Something that is obviously poorly engineered by the vendor gets brushed under the rug and labeled a user error. Every time an update screws up some running processes, it's "oh you should have had everyone log off first". When a configuration file gets overwritten it's "you should have tested it outside of production first". Does anyone realize that when you start taking all of these precautions, Linux starts to be just as much a pain in the ass as any other OS? Linux is easy when admins are lazy, and not doing their job.
I fucking HATE "Linux people" now. People pushing it where it's not ready to go, and without understanding why other systems are different first. You're all just as bad as the same ugly windows crowd that was always repressing you a few years back. Now Linux is more accepted, but the fanboys just switched sides, that's all. A new generation of young idiots. Given OS X, Windows, and Solaris, Linux is totally fucking useless. Now, I appreciate and support free software, but let's not get the ideological, philosophical, and technical aspects of Linux mixed up here. I do not want open or free software to go away, but I do want the supporters to try to understand what others systems do differently and not assume the Linux way is best.
Let me calm down... please appreciate open source software because of the openness, not some imagined technical superiority. Linux is far, far, far away from that.
we dont say its all hype. we say its mostly hype. when it comes to ipod, you have to reckon that in a wide array of products, there will eventually be 1 or 2 actually competitive products every once in a while. still, success of ipod has been reinforced with the loyalty and zealotry of fans, this noone can deny. there had been similar products in the market, but none of them were as hyped as ipod or had a huge name doing pr campaigns.
The hype is all in your head. OK, the iPod is propped up solely by a few zealots buying them hand over fist, or are there THAT many zealots?
There have been similar products, and not one of them works better than an iPod + iTunes.
Now, without the horrible punctuation, please explain why you think you're hearing mostly hype about Apple, and why you're sure you have a firm grip on reality.
I could build a car from junkyard parts with the same specs as a nice BMW. Probably even better specs, I bet I could find a big V8 for it somewhere in most American junkyards.
It's not the same car, in any way, shape, or form.
You're one of those people who'd say "pffft, who needs AC?", "I don't care if it doesn't look good", "I LIKE rebuilding it every few years", "The amount of time & effort I put into configuring it doesn't count".
And, you're full of stinky shit!
Their computers are nothing other than a pretty package with a pretty GUI on an old reliable system that comes at a price that is nearly 2x what a DUI system of similar specs and OS would cost.
Prove it. Right here in the forum, show me the parts, cost, and time, and I'll show you why you're a dumbass.
No, don't bother it'll never get through your thick head, and all I'll get are "I didn't want that feature anyway", "Size doesn't matter", "Who needs that much cache?", "I don't like FBDIMMS", "Software doesn't count".
Are we still talking about Windows & OS X??? What will Microsoft allow that Apple wont? Forgive me, it's been a while (yesterday) since I've last used a windows machine.
Are you trying to somehow credit open source software with bringing together disparate development teams on total different projects to test & QA their software releases together? That's insane.
Be realistic, whatever system-wide stability advantage Linux (the OS) has is because of the centralized distribution model now commonly used, and can be credited solely to the maintainers of said distribution. Even the centralization hasn't been all that great until recent years, and you still have to use caution installing anything outside your "package manager". For sure, Free software helps when doing system-wide integration testing, but it is absolutely not required to get the same levels of stability as Linux. Another method might be, I don't know... maintaining a well documented, backwards compatible programming interfaces, or issuing updates to partners in advance so they could get some QA cycles in?
Since Windows is a closed-source product, only the maker (Microsoft) knows how to fix vulnerabilities.
Just stop, YOU don't know how to fix most vulnerabilities, and probably wouldn't accept a patch from some random neighbor either. You line up in front of your vendor and take what you can get like anyone else.
If you happen to be one of the few who writes your own fixes for the open source software you use, kudos, you're one in a million.
You pay for the transfer medium and a license to use the contents of it. What, it's a scam to sell software now? Oh, or music, whatever you're ranting about...
First of all, if the reproduction costs of ANYTHING, tangible or not, fall to zero or near zero, there are still additional significant costs in facilities & manpower required to create the original and run the reproduction equipment. Hell, datacenters, internet connections, webservers, and admins are _nowhere_ near free, so I'm not sure you've entirely though this through before.
The "laws" of supply and demand STILL apply, as not everybody is out writing/performing/authoring/taking quality software, music, books, articles, photographs, etc, and if everyone WAS, they'd still apply, we'd just pay a lot less for this stuff.
What kind of fairy land do you live in where it's embarrassing to make a profit selling things that are easily reproduced by others? Do you really aim to remove all incentives from doing creative work? Are you suggesting that trade be regulated such that pricing is decided by dividing design costs by number of consumers? I can't think of a model more artificial than that!
My definition of creative work is something produced with mostly a mental effort, and therefore able to be replicated fairly easily.
Do you see that with lower manufacturing/reproduction costs, it's EASIER for competitors to enter the market? Protection of these creative trades IS required if you want to continue seeing high quality works. We could argue all day over to what extremes they should be protected, but it is in our best interest to keep it a healthy market one way or another.
Now, comparing creative works with food, a necessity, is just plain WRONG. I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this, but that BS won't fly past me. The hypothetical question of whether cheaply/freely reproducible food should be given away has JACK SHIT to do with giving away creative works. What are your motives for this? You want entirely free music, software, or literature? Are you going to go out and make the world a better place if we give it to you? Are you going to create your own and give it away for the same purpose? GO AHEAD, ULTRA-ALTRUISTIC MAN! You want to call the rest of the world embarrassing because we participate in a free market that's been working out just fine, shame on you!
It's useless...
Every single decent feature of Windows will be denied and refuted by Linux zealots.
The shoe used to be on the other foot, and Linux advocates had to prove Linux was good enough (as Windows on servers).
Now, Windows, Solaris, Mac users/professionals, and anyone else the Linux camp deems a threat have to battle a constant onslaught of ignorance, and intentional FUD even!
Windows to some degree had this coming, if for nothing else simply because it was/is a the most popular choice in IT circles and homes, and that caused many to completely ignore past or present alternatives. I even practiced some Windows hate in my day :) Until I moved on from Linux to Solaris at work, and Macs at home...
When it started to spill over into debates of Linux vs. Solaris on servers, and Linux vs. Macs on desktops, well... having used all of these platforms, and based on the contents of the debates, I think the Linux community is largely composed of ignorant, unprofessional kids at this point. That would be fine, if I didn't have to work with them eventually.
Linux users are as bad as Windows users now. They don't really want choice, Linux is the answer to everything! To hell with how poor the desktop integration is, it's good enough to replace Windows, Mac OS X, you name it. Lets overlook how horrible managing SAN devices is, or how the other OSs have advanced ten fold, and leapt from 'just ahead' to years ahead of Linux in the past few years in this area, Linux is just fine!
Where commercial OS vendors make advancements, it's met with "Why didn't they just use the Linux stuff/way", and "Oh, they have Not Invented Here syndrome".
Poo poo on Sun and Apple's new init systems, we want plain old Sys V init scripts here. Pfft, ZFS.. who needs it, they should have kept volume management and filesystems separate, unintegrated and complex, stupid Sun. Patches that require reboots? Gah, so arcane, nothing like the power of our magical package management systems that will overwrite system files just like any other patch system without even HINTING at the possible need for rebooting. That's my personal favorite, the notion that after switching from Solaris to Linux, we wont have to reboot after patching, EVER, unless it's a kernel patch, and it's so immediately obvious which applications we need to restart after patching to keep the system stable. You can tell I just can't wait for this to happen at work, right?
Oh, and Expose is just eye candy, look, my windows wobble when I move them, I'm as cool as a Mac.
I know, but there comes a time where for all practical purposes you have to stop being metaphysical and accept that that cigar IS a cigar.
What IS a cigar, and how do you classify them?
That's not metaphysics, buddy.
Are you suggesting that to "stop being metaphysical", we have to unconditionally agree with your assumptions? Were you home-schooled or something?
Science has almost nil to do with metaphysics. They're damned near opposites of each other.
You appear to be unable to draw a distinction between philosophy and science.
How many keyboards and how many mice do you think people can comfortably plug into one console? Not all families have the money for four consoles and four TVs, or for four PCs and four monitors.
Between the 2-4 USB ports and Bluetooth? I would guess at _least_ one keyboard and one mouse?
Are you suggesting that split-screen modes would require all players to use the same controller? Well, they wouldn't. Just as everyone doesn't need a wheel to play split-screen racing games. Helloooooooo?
WTF, 'supporting' K&M doesn't mean 'require them in any and all circumstances'.
what if Sun never released the specs to NFS
Sun didn't "give" NFS to the open source community. Rather, open source operating systems had to start re-implementing it from scratch.
Implemented from scratch as in implemented using the specs that were released?
Duh?
And Sun certainly didn't release NFS in order for open source operating sytems to clone it.
They didn't clone it, they implemented it... which would be the point of releasing the specs.
Actually, most likely, we'd probably be using WebDAV
Ok, I give up, you have no fucking clue what a networked filesystem is.
PCI-DSS isn't bulletproof, it's just some security guidelines the payment card industry must follow.
The source of the breach obviously didn't meet the PCI compliancy requirements if the hackers had the PIN numbers (and the rest of the information) which is supposed to be encrypted.
You don't know this. The DSS doesn't go into great details of how to properly implement the systems that keep your pin encrypted or secured from the keys on an ATM all the way to your bank's database. The crypto systems involved in this are complex and are certainly able to be compromised if not managed well.
This could very, very, very likely have been an inside job. Either that or whoever was managing these ATMs was using some very nonstandard equipment. Or both? Only the FBI and the hackers know at this point :\
Do you have any idea what the impact of ILOVEYOU and Code Red were on corporate Windows systems? Let me assure you, these systems had administrators. All jokes about Windows administrators aside, they're actually more competent than many of you kids think.
What about SQL Slammer? That was anything but insignificant, and I'm pretty darned sure most SQL servers do in fact have administrators taking care of them. Don't think for a damned second that the average Oracle admin knows a damn thing more about system security than a SQL admin would.
All I'm trying to say, is a good Linux worm would be the freaking cat's pajamas, and I believe there are more public, Internet facing corporate Linux servers than Windows at the moment, and these are run largely by people who regard rsync as an enterprise backup solution. These are the same people that would rather build and maintain their own iSCSI server than ask the company to plunk down for another FC HBA or two.
So, please don't just assume every "Linux admin" will have the most secured, locked down configuration in the world, unless they're only managing something like five servers. That really goes for sysadmins of any system, don't assume a Solaris, Window, Mac, Linux, whatever admin to go over the entire enterprise environment with a fine toothed comb, writing personalized firewall rules for each box.
Erm... sorry, I must be a little jaded by the goings on at work, and I've lost touch with the Linux world ever since I read a large article on storage in Linux Magazine that filed two pages with iSCSI and Infiniband of all things, with no mention of Fibre Channel. Linux admins are from a different f'ing planet or something.
Wow, why is the parent +5 Insightful? Moderators just out there circle-jerking now?
WowThe idiot-proof, lowest-common-denominator, who wants things to work (and simply).
The more adventurous, possibly more knowledgeable individuals who like options. From WHAT are these two groups defined? The whole world? Care to provide any reasoning for this egregious over-generalization?
Are you SURE there might not exist a group of people in the world who are "more adventurous, possibly more knowledgeable individuals who like options" AND "want things to work (and simply)"? In fact, is there anything wrong with "idiot-proofing", or appealing to the lowest-common-denominator? You might be surprised how much more efficiently things run when you employ those two concepts. I will NEVER purchase an iAnything. Why? Because I like to tweak, tinker, and have options. Hopefully, someday when you're older, you'll put aside your prejudices and open your eyes up. Maybe even explore stuff you know absolutely nothing about. Well, one can hope. The problem with a locked-down, "Do it our way only" philosophy is it encourages laziness and contentment. Who's got this "Do it our way only" philosophy? APPLE?! Please, do explain! How many of us got curious, or felt adventurous enough, to tinker with something technological (broken or not) just to figure out how it works (or even make it better or more suited to our needs)? Which, through trial and error, only encouraged us to venture out further and learn even more when our curiousity was piqued? If we never had the oportunity to break something or toy with the horizons on our own, we'd never be as knowledgeable in a technological fashion as we are. (Referring here to fellow
NO.
I urge you to search for any prejudices you may harbor and try to see the world as more than black and white. It might be very beneficial to you, in areas much less trivial than deciding which high-tech gadgets to play with (as if you must artificially limit yourself to only those gadgets who's vendor's "philosophy" agrees with you in the first place, sheesh).