Only Roman Catholic churches(to the best of my knowledge) use wine for the sacrament. At least as far back as the 60's most Christian denominations used grape juice.
.Net Framework BCL, they can get Mono on-board immediately and keep all teh shiny in 3.0 and up (WWF etc) locked up until they create^Wsteal^Wbuy teh new hotness.
Yes, they would and that's part of the new activation scheme dreamed up for Vista/Server 2008. Anyone with VLK or SA agreements with Microsoft will be hosting their own activation server.
Now I would imagine that these too phone home to MS, on behalf of all the client machines they've activated, but I don't know near enough detail to speak beyond the fact that they did at least consider this for their larger customers and have a solution ready to go when Server 2008 hits RTM.
Yes, Windows Server 2008 is Vista's counterpart (formerly known as Longhorn I believe) and it has very similar functionality to Vista. Here's a link to some better information than I can recall ATM.
No, GP has it right. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission lists this as an 'accident', not a 'disaster'. Now I don't know the specific terms they use (Was Squid Nuke, not commercial) but there are most definitely categories of nuclear problems and TMI != disaster. There are also classes below 'accident', such as 'incident' where something bad happened, but no one was hurt and nothing was released (so it shouldn't have happened, but did, and everyone did the right thing to ensure no injuries/no radiation/contamination leaks occurred.)
Don't get me wrong, was TMI a bad thing? Certainly! It pointed out several problems with plants of similar design (specifically failing to believe the indications of plant monitoring/safety systems, and input overload [so many alarms, lights etc. that the operators corrective actions were delayed while verifying what was actually happening]) However, far too many people like to blow it out of proportion and place it on the same scale as Chernobyl, which it most certainly was not.
I think that comment was more referring to Visual Studio and it's associated tool set than to Silverlight itself. While VS certainly has it's own share of problems, it's by far the most productive dev system I've ever used, and this coming from someone who traditionally does most coding in vi or Notepad++. (And for reference, I've used quite a few IDE's including Eclips, NetBeans and more, and none hold a candle to VS in ease of use or productivity enhancement)
Uhh, no, it didn't. It, along with any other programming on TechTV was systematically dismantled by the asshats at Comcast since it competed directly with their crapass G4. And when I say competed directly, I mean they shared a demographic, nothing more. So Comcast bought TechTV, folded in 3 or 4 of the worst shows on TechTV and fired everyone else, including the ScreenSavers cast and crew. Now almost 2 years on, I can't say that anything is left of TechTV in the G4TV shithole.
While you make a nice logical argument for the 3rd grammar error, I think it's more obvious than that. Let's look at it both ways and parse out what each means.
some coupons will be turned into Novell in return for software (original post)
To me, this reads as "some coupons will magically become Novell, when given some software"
some coupons will be turned in to Novell in return for software (you're corrected version)
"Some coupons will be given to Novell in exchange for software"
See, isn't that simple enough? No need to invent nebulous structures to justify lambasting someones grammar. Just have to read it through again and it's very simple.
I'm only a couple minutes from Lancaster county and I wasn't aware of this. In fact I know quite a few people who live in Lancaster County who also aren't aware of this.
Even funnier still, I live in Lebanon county where recycling is 'mandatory', yet I have to pay for the privilege of doing something mandatory. Waste Management hasn't said anything so far, and for the most part I just end up bringing recyclables to work but I'll be damned if I'm paying an extra $40 a quarter for them to pick up my mandated by law recycling.
BTW, for you and parent are you locals or transplants? I'm a transplant myself.
Because it's not 'smoke'. It's water vapor from cooling towers and if the angle of the sun is just right, it'll give it the bloom effect naturally, making it appear as though the brightness of the water vapor plume has been fiddled with.
No, it sounds like you don't know what deductible means in insurance terms. Having a 10k deductible on his policy means that he is MAXIMALLY reponsible for any care UP TO $10,000. Any expense beyond that is picked up by the insurance.
Speaking from personal experience, at least with Cingular. You CANNOT do this without getting absurd charges. I own a Motorola SLVR and purchased PhoneTools from Motorola for just this purpose. I hooked up the phone, started up PhoneTools and established an internet connection with the click of a button.
Cool right? No, not really, as even though I already pay the 19.95 a month for unlimited MediaNet access (WAP content only), I was billed at the HiSpeed rate of $0.10/KB. Just a few minutes of casual browsing, email checking etc. racked up a $30 "Additional Usage Charge".
If you truly want to use your phone as a modem for your laptop, they'll let you do so for the low-low price of $79.95/month!!! Talk about your scams...
And to make this all the more laughable, if you 'abuse' your 'unlimited' HiSpeed, they'll shut you off completely without warning!
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I realize what you're trying to say, but where would a chimera fall in that description? Technically, a chimera should have at least 2 genomes right?
Yes, but you have VisualStudio. That investment is a significant barrier to many wouldbe OSS developers and their community of contributors. Sure, you *could* get an OSS compiler, but they are a PITA to get up and running. And you don't get proper documentation. This makes Windows OSS unfriendly. On the other hand, when you run Linux or *BSD, everyone gets the toolchain, headers, libraries, and documentation right out out of the box. Anyone can grab some source, make some changes to the code, and recompile if necessary. That is OSS friendly.
In the past, I would have agreed with you on this, but in the present day, your all washed up. You can get express versions of almost every development tool available from MS now (C#, VB, J#, Managed C++, SQL Express, MSDN Express) for FREE. In fact, just this week they've also stated that all future MSDN libraries will be free (you can get the fullblown 3 disc set for FREE from them today) All of which is to say, this isn't just lip service, they're finally getting on the bandwagon (even if some hand-holding may still be necessary.)
Also because of the lack of developer tools out of the box with Windows, there is no advantage to running OSS for most people. If I don't have the toolchain to recompile the source, the fact that it is OSS is moot. Might as well be closed source freeware.
Here I'll have to concede. I really wish Vista would include some default development setup, perhaps even a seperate SKU for Students/Teachers that includes the full dev suite on a scratch install from media.
Here is a little anecdote which demonstrates the OSS unfriendliness of Windows: I was having a problem with the MySQL ODBC client in Windows. There is an outstanding bug that was preventing my school from doing some very important MS Access -> MySQL queries. I managed to track down an unofficial patch to the ODBC client. Great, I thought, it is open source. I can just download the source, apply the patch, and recompile. But wait, I needed to get the Qt libraries too! I downloaded a trial version of that.A few hours later of dicking around with that, I was read to try to recompile the client. Well, turns out that the MySQL ODBC client is a Visual Studio 6 project. I don't have VS6. I downloaded VisualStudio 2005 Express (or whatever it is) hoping it would be compatable. It wasn't. Ok, well, then had to try to get it to work with mingw. So I spent a few hours trying to get that environment setup. Eventually I had to turn over the task to a friend who has a little more experience with Windows source code. He eventually got things to build, but it wasn't easy. Keep in mind, I'm no newb to compiling software. I've just never done it on Windows. Totally OSS unfriendly.
Again, I'll concede the point, but to that end I have to say things appear to be improving. I think at this point though, MS is still somewhat unsure of what the best strategy of implementing OSS friendliness is, given their currently closed proprietary stable of OS/Apps/Dev Tools. They want to generate the community aspects that OSS brings to the mix, without having to give up control of their IP, yet still allowing us the end users to tinker and plug things together. That's a tall order given a company with such an knack for embrace/extend/extinguish.
But that's just my opinion, and I've been wrong before...
Here's my problem with this scenario though. You could probably describe most of the inner workings of said TV, be it SD or HD, LCD/CRT/Plasma, without much difficulty. I'll grant you, you probably couldn't recreate the thing (unless you were an EE or something similar) but you have a basic understanding of how things work.
This represents a fundamental difference between how geeks/nerds think, and how the population at large thinks. Those technically inclined, whether they're gear-heads, pencil-pushers or computer geeks all take pride in knowing the HOW and WHY of the inner workings of almost everything around them. In fact, of the 3 examples I listed, the only real difference is their own proclivities. Gear-heads are gear-heads because they LOVE cars, computer geeks are computer geeks because they LOVE computers, and pencil-pushers (aka bean-counters, or Analysts in modern corporate-speak) love the truth in numbers!
This raises the question, from my geek perspective, "Why do some people not care to educate themselves on how the things they use in their life work?" I mean, aside from the obvious benefit of saving a metric butt-ton on services most people pay an arm and a leg for, you can work on just about anything once you get bitten by the knowledge bug.
Also, IMHO, probably the biggest advantage to being the geeky type is the personal pride one feels when accomplishing something difficult (such as fixing their PC, figuring out how to properly redact text in a particular file format, or rebuilding your engine)!! While I realize that pride can be a bad thing, when it's the kind of pride that makes you happy to be who you are, capable of the things you are, thats a HUGE confidence boost and spills over into so many other areas in life, you'd be silly not to try and take advantage of it!
Oh, and one last thing. I wouldn't be so quick to assume those reading slashdot can't do some of the things you listed. In fact, knowing a few of our fellow/.'ers personally, there are at least 2 lawyers, 1 doctor and 5 accountants that I know. And they chose those professions because they wanted the money/prestige, or because they truly love what they do. No, I'd be more inclined to say that/.'ers may choose not to do those things on par with the average in society at large, but especially fields requiring intense study and years of education, most definitely pull at the heart-strings of a true geek.
How is that possible if Romulans made "First Contact" (and they found us because of our WARP signature!!) with our species when some drunk engineer turned an ICBM into a warp drive?
Not to speak for the GP, but I'm assuming he wants something that upon first use let's you pick which browser you want to use (IE, 'all the underlying code' you discuss will do just that)
Oh, and FYI, there's this great thing called ftp.exe:
I've only seen that be the case when the phone price is subsidized. If you're willing to pay full price there are a number of retailers willing to sell you phones with no contract implications.
Good luck taking that expensive phone you just bought to a provider and getting it setup for service on their network!! (Which was MBCook's point I believe)
It seems the problem is you went for the cheaper upfront price with the longer term contract. You made a poor decision, mathematically speaking.
No, he made the only choice possible to get the phone he wanted with an acceptable level of service with a provider he liked. Many people would be more than willing to pay several hundred dollars more, if they could carry their phone from one provider to the next!! (Myself included)
All of the ads I've seen were very clear. Consumer stupidity (like ignoring all the writing in an ad) is the fault of the consumer. It's not like they trick you into anything. They happen to subsidize phone prices as an inducement. It is a money loser in the long term, but people don't think that way, so they pay. It's just good business all around, in my eyes.
While I'll whole-heartedly agree that the stupid should be punished...does it make sense that business practices must be predatory toward the customer? In what other industry would such behavior be tolerated?
I think the big picture here is that the current state of cell service in the USofA is about as antiquated as the POTS was back in the lates 70's - early 80's timeframe. Remember what it was like to get a new phone? I was but a small child, and I'll never forget my old man going to the lumber yard (of all places) and buying 'illegal' handsets to install in the house. Illegal in the sense that they weren't purchased at the "Bell Telephone" store!!
Crippled phones, locked phones, mandatory contracts for any new phone even if you purchased an 'authorized' phone (i.e. they'll let you use it, even though you didn't buy it directly from the provider)...All of these things put the current cellphone market on the same level as the Ma Bell Fiasco. Only one difference here. Due to the relatively smaller nature of capital investments to get a cell network up and running, there never was a natural monopoly like for POTS. But don't kid yourself by thinking the Baby Cell-Bells don't wield the same control as Ma Bell did back in her hayday!!
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Only Roman Catholic churches(to the best of my knowledge) use wine for the sacrament. At least as far back as the 60's most Christian denominations used grape juice.
.Net Framework BCL, they can get Mono on-board immediately and keep all teh shiny in 3.0 and up (WWF etc) locked up until they create^Wsteal^Wbuy teh new hotness.
Yes, they would and that's part of the new activation scheme dreamed up for Vista/Server 2008. Anyone with VLK or SA agreements with Microsoft will be hosting their own activation server.
Now I would imagine that these too phone home to MS, on behalf of all the client machines they've activated, but I don't know near enough detail to speak beyond the fact that they did at least consider this for their larger customers and have a solution ready to go when Server 2008 hits RTM.
Yes, Windows Server 2008 is Vista's counterpart (formerly known as Longhorn I believe) and it has very similar functionality to Vista. Here's a link to some better information than I can recall ATM.
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No, GP has it right. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission lists this as an 'accident', not a 'disaster'. Now I don't know the specific terms they use (Was Squid Nuke, not commercial) but there are most definitely categories of nuclear problems and TMI != disaster. There are also classes below 'accident', such as 'incident' where something bad happened, but no one was hurt and nothing was released (so it shouldn't have happened, but did, and everyone did the right thing to ensure no injuries/no radiation/contamination leaks occurred.)
Don't get me wrong, was TMI a bad thing? Certainly! It pointed out several problems with plants of similar design (specifically failing to believe the indications of plant monitoring/safety systems, and input overload [so many alarms, lights etc. that the operators corrective actions were delayed while verifying what was actually happening]) However, far too many people like to blow it out of proportion and place it on the same scale as Chernobyl, which it most certainly was not.
Plus he's sleeping in that damn trunk all the time!
I think that comment was more referring to Visual Studio and it's associated tool set than to Silverlight itself. While VS certainly has it's own share of problems, it's by far the most productive dev system I've ever used, and this coming from someone who traditionally does most coding in vi or Notepad++. (And for reference, I've used quite a few IDE's including Eclips, NetBeans and more, and none hold a candle to VS in ease of use or productivity enhancement)
My bad, having a crappy day and your 'imploded' comment rubbed me the wrong way. What I really miss is Morgan and Katt!
Uhh, no, it didn't. It, along with any other programming on TechTV was systematically dismantled by the asshats at Comcast since it competed directly with their crapass G4. And when I say competed directly, I mean they shared a demographic, nothing more. So Comcast bought TechTV, folded in 3 or 4 of the worst shows on TechTV and fired everyone else, including the ScreenSavers cast and crew. Now almost 2 years on, I can't say that anything is left of TechTV in the G4TV shithole.
some coupons will be turned into Novell in return for software (original post)
To me, this reads as "some coupons will magically become Novell, when given some software"
some coupons will be turned in to Novell in return for software (you're corrected version)
"Some coupons will be given to Novell in exchange for software"
See, isn't that simple enough? No need to invent nebulous structures to justify lambasting someones grammar. Just have to read it through again and it's very simple.
I'm only a couple minutes from Lancaster county and I wasn't aware of this. In fact I know quite a few people who live in Lancaster County who also aren't aware of this.
Even funnier still, I live in Lebanon county where recycling is 'mandatory', yet I have to pay for the privilege of doing something mandatory. Waste Management hasn't said anything so far, and for the most part I just end up bringing recyclables to work but I'll be damned if I'm paying an extra $40 a quarter for them to pick up my mandated by law recycling.
BTW, for you and parent are you locals or transplants? I'm a transplant myself.Because it's not 'smoke'. It's water vapor from cooling towers and if the angle of the sun is just right, it'll give it the bloom effect naturally, making it appear as though the brightness of the water vapor plume has been fiddled with.
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No, it sounds like you don't know what deductible means in insurance terms. Having a 10k deductible on his policy means that he is MAXIMALLY reponsible for any care UP TO $10,000. Any expense beyond that is picked up by the insurance.
Speaking from personal experience, at least with Cingular. You CANNOT do this without getting absurd charges. I own a Motorola SLVR and purchased PhoneTools from Motorola for just this purpose. I hooked up the phone, started up PhoneTools and established an internet connection with the click of a button.
Cool right? No, not really, as even though I already pay the 19.95 a month for unlimited MediaNet access (WAP content only), I was billed at the HiSpeed rate of $0.10/KB. Just a few minutes of casual browsing, email checking etc. racked up a $30 "Additional Usage Charge".
If you truly want to use your phone as a modem for your laptop, they'll let you do so for the low-low price of $79.95/month!!! Talk about your scams...
And to make this all the more laughable, if you 'abuse' your 'unlimited' HiSpeed, they'll shut you off completely without warning!
I realize what you're trying to say, but where would a chimera fall in that description? Technically, a chimera should have at least 2 genomes right?
It's obivously Gnosticism!!
Yes, but you have VisualStudio. That investment is a significant barrier to many wouldbe OSS developers and their community of contributors. Sure, you *could* get an OSS compiler, but they are a PITA to get up and running. And you don't get proper documentation. This makes Windows OSS unfriendly. On the other hand, when you run Linux or *BSD, everyone gets the toolchain, headers, libraries, and documentation right out out of the box. Anyone can grab some source, make some changes to the code, and recompile if necessary. That is OSS friendly.
In the past, I would have agreed with you on this, but in the present day, your all washed up. You can get express versions of almost every development tool available from MS now (C#, VB, J#, Managed C++, SQL Express, MSDN Express) for FREE. In fact, just this week they've also stated that all future MSDN libraries will be free (you can get the fullblown 3 disc set for FREE from them today) All of which is to say, this isn't just lip service, they're finally getting on the bandwagon (even if some hand-holding may still be necessary.)
Also because of the lack of developer tools out of the box with Windows, there is no advantage to running OSS for most people. If I don't have the toolchain to recompile the source, the fact that it is OSS is moot. Might as well be closed source freeware.
Here I'll have to concede. I really wish Vista would include some default development setup, perhaps even a seperate SKU for Students/Teachers that includes the full dev suite on a scratch install from media.
Here is a little anecdote which demonstrates the OSS unfriendliness of Windows: I was having a problem with the MySQL ODBC client in Windows. There is an outstanding bug that was preventing my school from doing some very important MS Access -> MySQL queries. I managed to track down an unofficial patch to the ODBC client. Great, I thought, it is open source. I can just download the source, apply the patch, and recompile. But wait, I needed to get the Qt libraries too! I downloaded a trial version of that.A few hours later of dicking around with that, I was read to try to recompile the client. Well, turns out that the MySQL ODBC client is a Visual Studio 6 project. I don't have VS6. I downloaded VisualStudio 2005 Express (or whatever it is) hoping it would be compatable. It wasn't. Ok, well, then had to try to get it to work with mingw. So I spent a few hours trying to get that environment setup. Eventually I had to turn over the task to a friend who has a little more experience with Windows source code. He eventually got things to build, but it wasn't easy. Keep in mind, I'm no newb to compiling software. I've just never done it on Windows. Totally OSS unfriendly.
Again, I'll concede the point, but to that end I have to say things appear to be improving. I think at this point though, MS is still somewhat unsure of what the best strategy of implementing OSS friendliness is, given their currently closed proprietary stable of OS/Apps/Dev Tools. They want to generate the community aspects that OSS brings to the mix, without having to give up control of their IP, yet still allowing us the end users to tinker and plug things together. That's a tall order given a company with such an knack for embrace/extend/extinguish.
But that's just my opinion, and I've been wrong before...
Here's my problem with this scenario though. You could probably describe most of the inner workings of said TV, be it SD or HD, LCD /CRT/Plasma, without much difficulty. I'll grant you, you probably couldn't recreate the thing (unless you were an EE or something similar) but you have a basic understanding of how things work.
/.'ers personally, there are at least 2 lawyers, 1 doctor and 5 accountants that I know. And they chose those professions because they wanted the money/prestige, or because they truly love what they do. No, I'd be more inclined to say that /.'ers may choose not to do those things on par with the average in society at large, but especially fields requiring intense study and years of education, most definitely pull at the heart-strings of a true geek.
This represents a fundamental difference between how geeks/nerds think, and how the population at large thinks. Those technically inclined, whether they're gear-heads, pencil-pushers or computer geeks all take pride in knowing the HOW and WHY of the inner workings of almost everything around them. In fact, of the 3 examples I listed, the only real difference is their own proclivities. Gear-heads are gear-heads because they LOVE cars, computer geeks are computer geeks because they LOVE computers, and pencil-pushers (aka bean-counters, or Analysts in modern corporate-speak) love the truth in numbers!
This raises the question, from my geek perspective, "Why do some people not care to educate themselves on how the things they use in their life work?" I mean, aside from the obvious benefit of saving a metric butt-ton on services most people pay an arm and a leg for, you can work on just about anything once you get bitten by the knowledge bug.
Also, IMHO, probably the biggest advantage to being the geeky type is the personal pride one feels when accomplishing something difficult (such as fixing their PC, figuring out how to properly redact text in a particular file format, or rebuilding your engine)!! While I realize that pride can be a bad thing, when it's the kind of pride that makes you happy to be who you are, capable of the things you are, thats a HUGE confidence boost and spills over into so many other areas in life, you'd be silly not to try and take advantage of it!
Oh, and one last thing. I wouldn't be so quick to assume those reading slashdot can't do some of the things you listed. In fact, knowing a few of our fellow
Some job interviews (part of the whole credit check process now)
Opening a bank account
Getting a photo ID in some states (including drivers license)
I'm sure there are more, but these took about 10 seconds to come up with...
It's a moral imperative!
Hehe, been way too long since I saw that movie. Thanks for reminding me!
How is that possible if Romulans made "First Contact" (and they found us because of our WARP signature!!) with our species when some drunk engineer turned an ICBM into a warp drive?
Not to speak for the GP, but I'm assuming he wants something that upon first use let's you pick which browser you want to use (IE, 'all the underlying code' you discuss will do just that)
Oh, and FYI, there's this great thing called ftp.exe:
ftp ftp.mozilla.com
Done!
Mod parent up! AC points out a great example of legal tender not produced by the Fed!
I've only seen that be the case when the phone price is subsidized. If you're willing to pay full price there are a number of retailers willing to sell you phones with no contract implications.
Good luck taking that expensive phone you just bought to a provider and getting it setup for service on their network!! (Which was MBCook's point I believe)
It seems the problem is you went for the cheaper upfront price with the longer term contract. You made a poor decision, mathematically speaking.
No, he made the only choice possible to get the phone he wanted with an acceptable level of service with a provider he liked. Many people would be more than willing to pay several hundred dollars more, if they could carry their phone from one provider to the next!! (Myself included)
All of the ads I've seen were very clear. Consumer stupidity (like ignoring all the writing in an ad) is the fault of the consumer. It's not like they trick you into anything. They happen to subsidize phone prices as an inducement. It is a money loser in the long term, but people don't think that way, so they pay. It's just good business all around, in my eyes.
While I'll whole-heartedly agree that the stupid should be punished...does it make sense that business practices must be predatory toward the customer? In what other industry would such behavior be tolerated?
I think the big picture here is that the current state of cell service in the USofA is about as antiquated as the POTS was back in the lates 70's - early 80's timeframe. Remember what it was like to get a new phone? I was but a small child, and I'll never forget my old man going to the lumber yard (of all places) and buying 'illegal' handsets to install in the house. Illegal in the sense that they weren't purchased at the "Bell Telephone" store!!
Crippled phones, locked phones, mandatory contracts for any new phone even if you purchased an 'authorized' phone (i.e. they'll let you use it, even though you didn't buy it directly from the provider)...All of these things put the current cellphone market on the same level as the Ma Bell Fiasco. Only one difference here. Due to the relatively smaller nature of capital investments to get a cell network up and running, there never was a natural monopoly like for POTS. But don't kid yourself by thinking the Baby Cell-Bells don't wield the same control as Ma Bell did back in her hayday!!