Back in 2003 Baystar Capital thought it would be a good idea to help The SCO Group with $50m towards fighting opensource. Is there any relationship between Baystar and Bay Partners including any investments in your company?
Here is an example. The post above yours (threaded) has three links to some interesting examples of this data. The last one is a rather strange fellow who seems to like the idea of dogs and women together. He has a few other rather strange ideas as well. Obviously AOL did not release this data with their identifiers, but if you look at the full listing of this users history, it also shows the following lines:
9550729 bouie elementary school teacher exposed by nbc news 9550729 do female elementary school teachers get sexually aroused by their pre-teen male students 9550729 do female elementary school teachers get sexually aroused by their pre-teen male students 9550729 story on mr. mula the bouie elementary school teacher accused of assaulting a student 9550729 teacher at bouie elementary school in dekalb county accused of pushing a student
There are also other questions about similar locations. Now, it is getting interesting as this LOOKS like an identifiable teacher reading about child porn and checking search engines to see if his past is haunting him. It may very well be the case that Mr Mula is just an interest of his and this is out of context, but it would be worth looking into.
I hope that pedophiles are outed with this data, but there are going to be lots of innocents who are also caught up in it. For instance if you once looked up jihad and then looked up your name, you might get a tap on the shoulder one day. Of course investigators will be able to look at logs anyway, but there are a lot more eyes looking on this one.
I think it all depends on where this goes. There is a huge amount of data involved in this and quite a bit of it can change lives. Fortunately some pedophiles are going to be identified and handled appropriately. Some people will be thought of as terrorists (some may have it coming and some may be taken out of context).
However I think the ultimate outcome will be that some already stressed and depressed kids will one day look up their name on a search engine and find a whole page of private information about themselves. They will see their name right there attached to searches about small penises, or drugs, or masturbation, or abnormalities and will feel so embarrassed that they will serously think about killing themselves.
Lots of people are involved and the odds are that people will die as a result of this. I think that when this happens Maureen and CO are going to be in it a little deeper than just losing their jobs.
You are the one wanting to carpet bomb cities. This can only imply you want to target civilians and wish to do so from a distance. Sounds cowardly to me.
Not a bad idea considering most of the world considers the USA are terrorists. I gather you are serious about carpet bombing cities too- civilians are easier for cowards to kill.
You have to take the cost of the wifi card, pigtail and cable into account. This system is much cheaper because they are not required. It just uses a usb cable (less loss and cheaper than coax), a usb wifi device and a reflector.
The current opperating system used in South Australia is fedora, but most systems this year were installed with mandrake 9.0. The minimum specifications for a workstation machine that we give away are pentium 1 166, 2gb hdd, 64mb ram and 15" svga monitor. Lower end machines are typically used as x-terminals and routers. Any parts that are not useful get sent to a hardware recycler.
Australia has an excellent network of hardware recyclers. Computerbank Australia Inc is a non-profit that receives donated computers and builds decent systems out of the peripherals and components, installs linux and gives the computers away to those who can not usually afford them.
I am involved with Computerbank in South Australia and we are always looking for hardware. We pick it up in the metro area for free and wipe any drives using dban.
There must be a way to use this against them. No, not a DOS, but perhaps using the fact that lots of spam uses fake domains and fake.com,.net now all resolve to verisign. Therefore lots of spam originates from verisign and they should be fined. This is just one tangent to look at. There must be one that will work.
Perhaps we could have a tiered system, where spammers who just send email are fined lots and have all their equipment confiscated. However if a spammer spoofs the From: as coming from someone elses domain then they are jailed for fraud or similar. The same could be done for using open relays, etc. Abusing the innocent like this really shits me.
For a nice little look at how the FUD is being used, check out this interview with the Middle East regional director. To me he outlines how MS is going to use the recent SCO FUD.
Personally, I think esr has done the right thing here. If someone threatened my family, my community (read OSS in this case) or myself then I would hold my ground and stand up. Too many people and organisations let others push them around.
I am not surprised at all. Microsoft products are attractive to people because it is easy to install a tool to do something. These people/ businesses are not too concerned about anything other than "I want an application to do this for me". So the software is install, used and ignored. Why would the average layluser worry about patching if they are not directly affected. Even if they do patch, then they are getting on a never ending roundabout. There is only gong to be another problem tomorrow or next week.
Todays user wants shiny things, ease of use, and to not have to think. It is only us who understand a bit more about computers that do something about it. Most of the software is probably pirated anyway, so they may be too scared to try the updating path.
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Well young computer wiz, what would you do to secure the computers? You are the Windows expert after all.
Back in 2003 Baystar Capital thought it would be a good idea to help The SCO Group with $50m towards fighting opensource. Is there any relationship between Baystar and Bay Partners including any investments in your company?
Here is an example. The post above yours (threaded) has three links to some interesting examples of this data. The last one is a rather strange fellow who seems to like the idea of dogs and women together. He has a few other rather strange ideas as well. Obviously AOL did not release this data with their identifiers, but if you look at the full listing of this users history, it also shows the following lines:
9550729 bouie elementary school teacher exposed by nbc news
9550729 do female elementary school teachers get sexually aroused by their pre-teen male students
9550729 do female elementary school teachers get sexually aroused by their pre-teen male students
9550729 story on mr. mula the bouie elementary school teacher accused of assaulting a student
9550729 teacher at bouie elementary school in dekalb county accused of pushing a student
There are also other questions about similar locations. Now, it is getting interesting as this LOOKS like an identifiable teacher reading about child porn and checking search engines to see if his past is haunting him. It may very well be the case that Mr Mula is just an interest of his and this is out of context, but it would be worth looking into.
I hope that pedophiles are outed with this data, but there are going to be lots of innocents who are also caught up in it. For instance if you once looked up jihad and then looked up your name, you might get a tap on the shoulder one day. Of course investigators will be able to look at logs anyway, but there are a lot more eyes looking on this one.
Well it worked for Darl McBride
I think it all depends on where this goes. There is a huge amount of data involved in this and quite a bit of it can change lives. Fortunately some pedophiles are going to be identified and handled appropriately. Some people will be thought of as terrorists (some may have it coming and some may be taken out of context).
However I think the ultimate outcome will be that some already stressed and depressed kids will one day look up their name on a search engine and find a whole page of private information about themselves. They will see their name right there attached to searches about small penises, or drugs, or masturbation, or abnormalities and will feel so embarrassed that they will serously think about killing themselves.
Lots of people are involved and the odds are that people will die as a result of this. I think that when this happens Maureen and CO are going to be in it a little deeper than just losing their jobs.
The OpenBSD crowd are going to enjoy this. Nothing like seeing opensource evangelists selling out.
Damn, now I have to find a way to remove coughed up coffee from my keyboard, monitor and cat.
You are the one wanting to carpet bomb cities. This can only imply you want to target civilians and wish to do so from a distance. Sounds cowardly to me.
Not a bad idea considering most of the world considers the USA are terrorists. I gather you are serious about carpet bombing cities too- civilians are easier for cowards to kill.
Not any more. Toothpaste is way too dangerous now.
Yep, and got as close as 80 yards- must have been horrific.
This works really well for me. I have cat ~/todo in my bash_profile so I am reminded every morning.
You have to take the cost of the wifi card, pigtail and cable into account. This system is much cheaper because they are not required. It just uses a usb cable (less loss and cheaper than coax), a usb wifi device and a reflector.
The current opperating system used in South Australia is fedora, but most systems this year were installed with mandrake 9.0.
The minimum specifications for a workstation machine that we give away are pentium 1 166, 2gb hdd, 64mb ram and 15" svga monitor. Lower end machines are typically used as x-terminals and routers.
Any parts that are not useful get sent to a hardware recycler.
Australia has an excellent network of hardware recyclers. Computerbank Australia Inc is a non-profit that receives donated computers and builds decent systems out of the peripherals and components, installs linux and gives the computers away to those who can not usually afford them.
I am involved with Computerbank in South Australia and we are always looking for hardware. We pick it up in the metro area for free and wipe any drives using dban.
So you would protect your job at the expense of others lives? - nice one.
There must be a way to use this against them. No, not a DOS, but perhaps using the fact that lots of spam uses fake domains and fake .com, .net now all resolve to verisign. Therefore lots of spam originates from verisign and they should be fined.
This is just one tangent to look at. There must be one that will work.
I came to this article after reading what Sun think of Linux in this story. Really puts this marketing bullshit into perspective for me.
Perhaps we could have a tiered system, where spammers who just send email are fined lots and have all their equipment confiscated. However if a spammer spoofs the From: as coming from someone elses domain then they are jailed for fraud or similar. The same could be done for using open relays, etc. Abusing the innocent like this really shits me.
For a nice little look at how the FUD is being used, check out this interview with the Middle East regional director. To me he outlines how MS is going to use the recent SCO FUD.
Personally, I think esr has done the right thing here. If someone threatened my family, my community (read OSS in this case) or myself then I would hold my ground and stand up. Too many people and organisations let others push them around.
I am not surprised at all. Microsoft products are attractive to people because it is easy to install a tool to do something. These people/ businesses are not too concerned about anything other than "I want an application to do this for me".
So the software is install, used and ignored. Why would the average layluser worry about patching if they are not directly affected. Even if they do patch, then they are getting on a never ending roundabout. There is only gong to be another problem tomorrow or next week.
Todays user wants shiny things, ease of use, and to not have to think. It is only us who understand a bit more about computers that do something about it. Most of the software is probably pirated anyway, so they may be too scared to try the updating path.
yeah, but what about their computers ?