It wouldn't be much of a conversation if I decided to leave it at "yup, you like 2k...", would it? : )
As I said though, I have been able to coax remarkable stability out of 98. I generally do music composition, DOS programming, play games(more than I'd like to admit, but less than I'd like to.:) ), and do a little(very little) bit of 3d modelling with Gmax and 2d graphics using Pixella(a freeware graphics program). With 98lite installed(basically, it just removes IE and some of the other junk, and installs the 95 GUI to get rid of net integration), I too get some pretty impressive uptimes when I let the computer run. The potential is definitely longer than any gaming/coding/music/art spree I've gone on.
1)K-Meleon has never crashed on me, even with 100 windows open. I don't think I can go back to a web browser which ever crashes. It's just too inconvenient to lose those 100 windows.
2)I enjoy coding under dos(in fact, despite the fact that dos is quite dead, and real-mode hardware coding is not paticularly useful anymore, I'm working on an RPG for dos right now), and the dos emulator under w2k is less than stellar. For example, they don't emulate the latest version of EMS.
3)I have achieved remarkable stability and speed under 98, and the thought of spending a couple hundred dollars for 2k just so I can run Internet Explorer without crashing the shell doesn't really appeal to me.
If I had cable and therefore needed security(patched security.....), I'd buy it in a heartbeat -- probably before I went to subscribe to cable. As it stands however, there isn't really any reason to put Windows on a standalone PC.
IE is the browsers of choice for those who use windows.
Speak for yourself. I can't stand browser crashes which take down the shell, and I used 98lite to transplant the 95OSR2 GUI into 98 because I don't think integration is a good thing for stability, speed, or memory consumption. I use K-Meleon
...Now the Linux folks will realize what the rest of us Alternate OS users have known(and have experienced) for years. It doesn't matter if you have a better OS, it doesn't matter if developers are making things for your OS. It doesn't matter if you have a rabid user community who believes that this OS is the greatest ever coded. Microsoft will lie, cheat, and steal to ensure it's position.
As a niche OS, Linux only got fringe attentions from them, but now that it's becoming a formidable desktop platform, I fear that MS will bring it's PR machine into gear...
Face it, if you really want to read a bunch of pro-ms stuff, head to microsoft.com. Complaining that slashdot is pro-linux is like complaining that the pope is pro-christianity, or that Senator Hollings is pro-bribery.
Between Matrox and Transmeta, It's a very good time to be waiting patiently for processors and video cards, since the next generation looks like it will be sweet!
Comparing Moz 1.0 to IE 1.0 is kind of wacky...Try using IE 1.0 (or even IE 2.0). If you can find half a dozen sites which render correctly, you've hit an incredible streak of luck.
Sorry, the acronym of the system I mentioned on that page. I ended up coding it, but all does is manages several DOS windows at a time in real-mode. Having several dos-windows open at once comes in handy when you are trying to set up a 9x system, but haven't got the GUI running yet.
We all start somewhere. That paticular page is several years old now.
BTW, language is largely irrelevant. Quickbasic provides the means for low level hardware access, and for the most part, it's so goddamned slow, it forces any coders who actually want to get anything done in that language to learn heavy optimization techiques. I'd say that's not too bad for a language I just picked up one day because it actually had well documented graphics routines(something which is very important for the first few programs I wrote). It's also good because what you can and cannot do in it remains extremely constant. When I tried setting a pointer to 0xA0000000 in C, only one of 5 compilers I tried would let me without giving me an error message, and only that same one would let me write the ASM code to set the video mode.
Hell, my current project still uses it (Quest for a King), because I don't feel like porting thousands of lines of code to C. On the other hand, look at my code. It's fast(for QB), it's all very low level, IMHO it's fairly well structured, and it all works. That's more than I can say for a large number of beginners projects coded in C.
Two things puzzle me, however. First, why did you respond to an AC with something from MY site? Secondly, what does WC have to do with people getting drunk alone?
It's one thing to sell a product retail, and it's quite another to lie to IBM, telling them that your company has developed an OS for the 8088 processor. What MS did is fraud. MS had no OS at the time, and to be honest, if Bill Gates wasn't a spoiled rich brat from the beginning, we never again would have heard of 'Microsoft', except as a short excerpt in the history books about a company who lied about what it could deliver.
The UI and the Kernel are seperate entities. That is why, using 98lite, you can completely remove Internet Explorer by switching to the Windows 95 GUI.
Saddam:I played this CD and was able to crush the American Satan! Thanks Backstreet Boys!
bin Laden:I mounted big speakers on a 757 and slowly flew around the WTC Mark II. It blew up because of the new copyright circumvention devices causing massive failures in the buildings vital internal infastructure. Thanks 'Nsync!
Dude in KKK hat:I walked in to the bank which holds the money for the united negro college fund. The hard drives spontaniously deleted themselves. Thanks MC Hammer!
New RIAA/MPAA ad:Thanks to new advances in anti-piracy legislation, the evil united negro college fund, the evil theiving bastards in the WTC Mk. II, and the evil IP thieves of the US army have been crushed. Have a nice day.('Nsync song plays, shutting down pacemakers and hearing aids in the homes of millions)
Go ahead. That way you can literally ban ANY ADC! Sound waves don't carry a digital signiture, and personally, I'd get a real kick out of hiring lawyers to crack down on every audio equipment maker on the face of the earth, who couldn't BUY enough engineers to even BEGIN to figure out how to do something like this.
next story: "the MPAA want to ban unlicenced light: light can carry visual signals which can DESTROY OUR COPYRIGHT!"
It's not scary at this point, it's funny. It's damn hilarious. If there was a way to copy protect analog signals, it would have been everywhere by now. At this rate, they will want little Timmy to give up his little tape recorder because he can record the latest Metallica CD in the best tinny, bassless, mind shatteringly low quality recording that little tape recorder can manage from 2 inches away from Billys CD-Player.
There is a distinct difference between lobbying and advertizing.
Lobbying:"The American people, and Microsoft as a corporate citizen demand we use Microsoft products because it's the best way for America."
Advertizing:"Microsoft as a business wants you to use Microsoft products because we stand to make a bundle. PleasePleasePleasePlease use MS products! Faster and easier and more crash resistant than ever! Now with free sake!"
I just thought of something....What if Microsoft made nuclear missle control software?
Judging from experience, MS nuke Version 1.0 would likely demolish most of Americas major cities. Version 2.0 would demolish the rest, but do so with a different color scheme. Version 3.0 would be the version where nukes wouldn't spontaniously take off, but the nuke would likely be manned. Version 4.0 would be a complete remake, with new features, but it would be quite unstable, and missle uptime would be reduced to a few hours a day.
Now as for MIIS(missle internet information server), it could be enabled, and terrorists could simply politely ask the missle to take off and detonate at a decent target(if you don't believe me about this one, run an apache server for a week on a single IP address, and take a look at/var/log/httpd/access_log -- some hacks on IIS involve little more than that!).
...and to Sisca, I apologize for interrupting a serious(and informed) conversation for the garbage I just finished writing.:)
That's really cause and effect. If you make something illegal, the underground will spawn a criminal distribution network. That same distribution network is far more an arguement for legalizing a substance(hence making it available in a controlled manner, with controls in place to ensure that only safe drugs reach the people, rather than only having drugs available from the crazy guy on the corner) than against. If you are working on a high rise building, and people keep falling off this one place without a guard rail, it makes somewhat more sense to put a guardrail there than say "okay, falling off there is against the rules!".
Fun was outlawed today, as it was showed that it was possible for fun to cause bodily harm and death. "Fun is doubleplus ungood" said one senator, back from a one-year trip to the bahamas, "People are the property of the state, and we can't be risking our investement! After all, longevity is good! To think otherwise would be crimethink!". the passing of the bill was attributed to the support from right wing religious groups, such as "Fun is a sin group", and "the christian coalition for biblical scale suffering".
Outlined in a new bill passed today, many forms of fun have been outlawed, the most notable(last minute additions) being sex, smoking, alcohol, frolicking without a permit, singing to yourself, and playing video games.
When asked about this bill, the heads of the RIAA and MPAA were in agreement -- this bill would be essential for them to protect their copyrights. one key official, who asked to remain anonymous(lest somebody try to have some fun by egging his house), was in paticular agreement; "The fact that we can now enforce that nobody is allowed to sing to themselves, we plan on marketing a line of (doubleplus unfun) Britany Spears albims,". To ensure nobody tries to buy these albums because of the previous fun which some have had listening to her music, Spears will be changing her name to "Jocke da lumberjack".
Sj Zero is a major proponent of "fun" everywhere, and author of his new book, "fun is doubleplus good". -AP
Bill Gates told IBM that he had an OS ready for the 8088 processor, when he really didn't. He then spent 50 Gs of his mothers cash to buy an OS off a company who actually HAD an OS ready.
I'd say that Bill would still be bitching about how people were reverse-engineering his crappy basic compiler if he hadn't told that little lie.
It's a matter of opinion there, really. I ended up using 6.0 and 7.0, and while they didn't have the refinement of later incremental releases, the programs and the underlying OS ran without much of a problem.
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It wouldn't be much of a conversation if I decided to leave it at "yup, you like 2k...", would it? : )
:) ), and do a little(very little) bit of 3d modelling with Gmax and 2d graphics using Pixella(a freeware graphics program). With 98lite installed(basically, it just removes IE and some of the other junk, and installs the 95 GUI to get rid of net integration), I too get some pretty impressive uptimes when I let the computer run. The potential is definitely longer than any gaming/coding/music/art spree I've gone on.
As I said though, I have been able to coax remarkable stability out of 98. I generally do music composition, DOS programming, play games(more than I'd like to admit, but less than I'd like to.
I would try it, except for three things;
1)K-Meleon has never crashed on me, even with 100 windows open. I don't think I can go back to a web browser which ever crashes. It's just too inconvenient to lose those 100 windows.
2)I enjoy coding under dos(in fact, despite the fact that dos is quite dead, and real-mode hardware coding is not paticularly useful anymore, I'm working on an RPG for dos right now), and the dos emulator under w2k is less than stellar. For example, they don't emulate the latest version of EMS.
3)I have achieved remarkable stability and speed under 98, and the thought of spending a couple hundred dollars for 2k just so I can run Internet Explorer without crashing the shell doesn't really appeal to me.
If I had cable and therefore needed security(patched security.....), I'd buy it in a heartbeat -- probably before I went to subscribe to cable. As it stands however, there isn't really any reason to put Windows on a standalone PC.
IE is the browsers of choice for those who use windows.
Speak for yourself. I can't stand browser crashes which take down the shell, and I used 98lite to transplant the 95OSR2 GUI into 98 because I don't think integration is a good thing for stability, speed, or memory consumption. I use K-Meleon
...Now the Linux folks will realize what the rest of us Alternate OS users have known(and have experienced) for years. It doesn't matter if you have a better OS, it doesn't matter if developers are making things for your OS. It doesn't matter if you have a rabid user community who believes that this OS is the greatest ever coded. Microsoft will lie, cheat, and steal to ensure it's position.
As a niche OS, Linux only got fringe attentions from them, but now that it's becoming a formidable desktop platform, I fear that MS will bring it's PR machine into gear...
damn straight!
Face it, if you really want to read a bunch of pro-ms stuff, head to microsoft.com. Complaining that slashdot is pro-linux is like complaining that the pope is pro-christianity, or that Senator Hollings is pro-bribery.
This is gonna be good.
Between Matrox and Transmeta, It's a very good time to be waiting patiently for processors and video cards, since the next generation looks like it will be sweet!
If the Geforce SDR isn't fast enough to run Doom III, why the hell did he tell us it would?
He also said that the savage4 would work with some details turned down, so I'm damn glad I have a Geforce 4!
Damn you and your lying ways, John Carmack! First telling me Doom(1) will run on a 386, now *this*!
Comparing Moz 1.0 to IE 1.0 is kind of wacky...Try using IE 1.0 (or even IE 2.0). If you can find half a dozen sites which render correctly, you've hit an incredible streak of luck.
Maybe you don't, but I mention it whenever someone asks the question "What did you use to make your game?".
Sorry, the acronym of the system I mentioned on that page. I ended up coding it, but all does is manages several DOS windows at a time in real-mode. Having several dos-windows open at once comes in handy when you are trying to set up a 9x system, but haven't got the GUI running yet.
We all start somewhere. That paticular page is several years old now.
BTW, language is largely irrelevant. Quickbasic provides the means for low level hardware access, and for the most part, it's so goddamned slow, it forces any coders who actually want to get anything done in that language to learn heavy optimization techiques. I'd say that's not too bad for a language I just picked up one day because it actually had well documented graphics routines(something which is very important for the first few programs I wrote). It's also good because what you can and cannot do in it remains extremely constant. When I tried setting a pointer to 0xA0000000 in C, only one of 5 compilers I tried would let me without giving me an error message, and only that same one would let me write the ASM code to set the video mode.
Hell, my current project still uses it (Quest for a King), because I don't feel like porting thousands of lines of code to C. On the other hand, look at my code. It's fast(for QB), it's all very low level, IMHO it's fairly well structured, and it all works. That's more than I can say for a large number of beginners projects coded in C.
Two things puzzle me, however. First, why did you respond to an AC with something from MY site? Secondly, what does WC have to do with people getting drunk alone?
listen, i'm extremely drunk right now. why aren't you? it's fucking friday night, for fuck's sake. why the hell aren't you at a club?!?!
I could ask you the same; getting drunk in your room alone isn't cool!
It's one thing to sell a product retail, and it's quite another to lie to IBM, telling them that your company has developed an OS for the 8088 processor. What MS did is fraud. MS had no OS at the time, and to be honest, if Bill Gates wasn't a spoiled rich brat from the beginning, we never again would have heard of 'Microsoft', except as a short excerpt in the history books about a company who lied about what it could deliver.
I'm forced to walk on water all winter...
It isn't all it's cracked up to be.
The UI and the Kernel are seperate entities. That is why, using 98lite, you can completely remove Internet Explorer by switching to the Windows 95 GUI.
Saddam:I played this CD and was able to crush the American Satan! Thanks Backstreet Boys!
bin Laden:I mounted big speakers on a 757 and slowly flew around the WTC Mark II. It blew up because of the new copyright circumvention devices causing massive failures in the buildings vital internal infastructure. Thanks 'Nsync!
Dude in KKK hat:I walked in to the bank which holds the money for the united negro college fund. The hard drives spontaniously deleted themselves. Thanks MC Hammer!
New RIAA/MPAA ad:Thanks to new advances in anti-piracy legislation, the evil united negro college fund, the evil theiving bastards in the WTC Mk. II, and the evil IP thieves of the US army have been crushed. Have a nice day.('Nsync song plays, shutting down pacemakers and hearing aids in the homes of millions)
Go ahead. That way you can literally ban ANY ADC! Sound waves don't carry a digital signiture, and personally, I'd get a real kick out of hiring lawyers to crack down on every audio equipment maker on the face of the earth, who couldn't BUY enough engineers to even BEGIN to figure out how to do something like this.
next story: "the MPAA want to ban unlicenced light: light can carry visual signals which can DESTROY OUR COPYRIGHT!"
It's not scary at this point, it's funny. It's damn hilarious. If there was a way to copy protect analog signals, it would have been everywhere by now. At this rate, they will want little Timmy to give up his little tape recorder because he can record the latest Metallica CD in the best tinny, bassless, mind shatteringly low quality recording that little tape recorder can manage from 2 inches away from Billys CD-Player.
The sad part is that the AC below you thought the message was serious.
:)
I'd say that missing sarcasm *that* blatant is a reason to give up slashdot for a while.
There is a distinct difference between lobbying and advertizing.
Lobbying:"The American people, and Microsoft as a corporate citizen demand we use Microsoft products because it's the best way for America."
Advertizing:"Microsoft as a business wants you to use Microsoft products because we stand to make a bundle. PleasePleasePleasePlease use MS products! Faster and easier and more crash resistant than ever! Now with free sake!"
See?
I just thought of something....What if Microsoft made nuclear missle control software?
/var/log/httpd/access_log -- some hacks on IIS involve little more than that!).
:)
Judging from experience, MS nuke Version 1.0 would likely demolish most of Americas major cities. Version 2.0 would demolish the rest, but do so with a different color scheme. Version 3.0 would be the version where nukes wouldn't spontaniously take off, but the nuke would likely be manned. Version 4.0 would be a complete remake, with new features, but it would be quite unstable, and missle uptime would be reduced to a few hours a day.
Now as for MIIS(missle internet information server), it could be enabled, and terrorists could simply politely ask the missle to take off and detonate at a decent target(if you don't believe me about this one, run an apache server for a week on a single IP address, and take a look at
...and to Sisca, I apologize for interrupting a serious(and informed) conversation for the garbage I just finished writing.
That's really cause and effect. If you make something illegal, the underground will spawn a criminal distribution network. That same distribution network is far more an arguement for legalizing a substance(hence making it available in a controlled manner, with controls in place to ensure that only safe drugs reach the people, rather than only having drugs available from the crazy guy on the corner) than against. If you are working on a high rise building, and people keep falling off this one place without a guard rail, it makes somewhat more sense to put a guardrail there than say "okay, falling off there is against the rules!".
Fun was outlawed today, as it was showed that it was possible for fun to cause bodily harm and death. "Fun is doubleplus ungood" said one senator, back from a one-year trip to the bahamas, "People are the property of the state, and we can't be risking our investement! After all, longevity is good! To think otherwise would be crimethink!". the passing of the bill was attributed to the support from right wing religious groups, such as "Fun is a sin group", and "the christian coalition for biblical scale suffering".
Outlined in a new bill passed today, many forms of fun have been outlawed, the most notable(last minute additions) being sex, smoking, alcohol, frolicking without a permit, singing to yourself, and playing video games.
When asked about this bill, the heads of the RIAA and MPAA were in agreement -- this bill would be essential for them to protect their copyrights. one key official, who asked to remain anonymous(lest somebody try to have some fun by egging his house), was in paticular agreement; "The fact that we can now enforce that nobody is allowed to sing to themselves, we plan on marketing a line of (doubleplus unfun) Britany Spears albims,". To ensure nobody tries to buy these albums because of the previous fun which some have had listening to her music, Spears will be changing her name to "Jocke da lumberjack".
Sj Zero is a major proponent of "fun" everywhere, and author of his new book, "fun is doubleplus good".
-AP
My car gets 15 rods to the sows nose, and that's the way I likes it!
Microsoft started it's OS division with a lie.
Bill Gates told IBM that he had an OS ready for the 8088 processor, when he really didn't. He then spent 50 Gs of his mothers cash to buy an OS off a company who actually HAD an OS ready.
I'd say that Bill would still be bitching about how people were reverse-engineering his crappy basic compiler if he hadn't told that little lie.
It's a matter of opinion there, really. I ended up using 6.0 and 7.0, and while they didn't have the refinement of later incremental releases, the programs and the underlying OS ran without much of a problem.