I agree. The rebutle was an ironic attempt to tell the "Black sysdamin" that a better way to show intelligence, is to use above average language, like the author was doing boastfully. Meanwhile, Shadowruni was making a point that iaminthetrunk totally missed.
You lose: * All the accessibility mechanisms that OS GUI frameworks have. Everyone loves GMail, but navigating around it without a mouse is a real pain. No hotkeys, and an unpredictable tab order. * Proper control of the layout of your UI. * A whole lot of performance.
Your lose list is way off. On all three points you're either completely wrong or the blame is misguided towards the technology instead of the implementation.
Let's start with "All the accessibility mechanisms... navigating around it without a mouse is a real pain. No hotkeys, and an unpredictable tab order". That has nothing to do with Web 2.0 concepts and it is wrong. GMail has hotkeys. You can put as much accessibility mechanisms as you want. Web 2.0 does not impose limits.
Ok, so let's move on to "Proper control of the layout of your UI.". Oh man, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and it looks like the moderators who gave you points are just as clueless. Proper layout control is done with style sheets. Style sheets can be used to control the layout of a web page when the browser supports it. It has nohting to do with the Web 2.0 concepts. Slashdot uses CSS now (thank god) and it isn't a Web 2.0 site. GMail uses style sheets and it is a Web 2.0 app.
Finally, the point that motivated me to respond. "A whole lot of performance." That is just nonsense. Web 2.0 methods can be used to speed up web pages by reducing the amount of traffic and work that is done on the server. Instead of having the server generate complete pages, it just generates the parts that need to be inserted or changed. Have a look at this cool Web 2.0 app(needs Mozilla/Firefox/XUL). I can find things much quicker than if I had to use the standard Amazon page.
Hey, I love Linux as much as the next guy. I've been using it on my desktop since 1996. Check out my Slashdot UID to see what I mean. Anyway, I just want to say that I've had ATI drivers - the proprietary closed source ones - crash my Linux box many times. The drivers can definitely lockup your PC no matter what OS you're running. You can even crash Linux with a simple one line bash script. I just want to say that the Windows crashing can't all be blamed on Windows. The drivers deserve some of the blame.
Michael Dell has little to do with innovation. He's a brilliant businessman but I do not think his job function entitles him to media attention like Gates or Jobs.
Hold your horses there big boy. Sounds like your implying that Bill Gates innovates like Steve Jobs. Let me tell you something. Bill Gates packages software like Micheal Dell packages computers. There's no more software innovation happening at Microsoft than their is hardware innovation happening at Dell. Microsoft's business is taking what other people have innovated and marketing it like they're the ones who innovated. I watched a video of some MS guys talking about RSS in Vista a few months ago and I felt like I was watching a 2 year old discovering his toes. You can do alot of cool stuff with RSS today but watch how MS puts a spin on it when Vista is released. It'll be all MS and the average consumer will watch in awe and say "Gee, those MS guys are smart cookies".
Don't bother buying an ATI card if you plan on using their driver for any GL work. Your box will lock up hard. Constantly. You won't be able to play UT2004 for more than 30 minutes on a good day.
After 2 years of fighthing with the crappy ATI drivers and my Radeon 9000 I finally gave up and bought an Nvidia. It's been three months since the purchase and my system has not locked up once. It is rock solid. I put the Radeon 9000 in the kids computer which runs Windows XP and it's much more stable there so I know that there is nothing wrong with the card. The ATI provided Linux drivers are just horrible.
You have blurred the line between corporal punishment and abuse.
That's the problem. When you take the route of physical punishment, especially in the heat of the moment, chances of abuse are much higher. It's not a chance that I want to take.
I rarely see a parent pysically punish their children a day or two after the incident. Physical punishment is usually done in the heat of the moment or very shortly thereafter. Parents who physically discipline their children, do it because they can't control themselves. Try this next time your kids need to be punished. Wait a week and then let them have it. I can guarantee you that you won't feel good about doing it because you've had a week to think about it and you know that there are much better ways to handle the situation.
You might not have emotional scars, lucky you. Some aren't so lucky. How about the quality of their lives as children, does that count for anything? Take the opportunity to show your children good values like values like patience and self control.
Did you read the articly about how children compare to chimps in learning? Children imitate. No wonder there's so much violence in this world. Probaly from all the parents who hit their children. Imagine if parents throughout the world never hit their children. Do you think that the crime rate you go up, down or stay the same. I think that it would go down, no doubt in my mind.
I've been in a situation that I only needed to revert a certain part of the document. I would hate to reverse all the changes only to redo most of them.
No, I disagree. Perhaps maybe not the Slashdot crowd, but in general, the non Linux users still see Linux as a server OS. I once showed someone a video on Linux and the reaction was "Huh, that's weird. I have a hard time imagining a video running on Linux". He said this as he was _watching_ the video and as if he couldn't believe his own eyes (no it wasn't pr0n).
Now its just a field of people climbing over themselves in order to write code for mega-corporations for free.
Nope. I and millions of others will also get to befenit from the code for free. The difference is, the mega-corporations are now paying for it instead of having it done for free which accelerates the development process.
Google is doing this because they cannot compete with Microsoft as long as Microsoft controls the software.
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I agree. The rebutle was an ironic attempt to tell the "Black sysdamin" that a better way to show intelligence, is to use above average language, like the author was doing boastfully. Meanwhile, Shadowruni was making a point that iaminthetrunk totally missed.
Your lose list is way off. On all three points you're either completely wrong or the blame is misguided towards the technology instead of the implementation.
Let's start with "All the accessibility mechanisms ... navigating around it without a mouse is a real pain. No hotkeys, and an unpredictable tab order". That has nothing to do with Web 2.0 concepts and it is wrong. GMail has hotkeys. You can put as much accessibility mechanisms as you want. Web 2.0 does not impose limits.
Ok, so let's move on to "Proper control of the layout of your UI.". Oh man, you obviously don't know what you're talking about and it looks like the moderators who gave you points are just as clueless. Proper layout control is done with style sheets. Style sheets can be used to control the layout of a web page when the browser supports it. It has nohting to do with the Web 2.0 concepts. Slashdot uses CSS now (thank god) and it isn't a Web 2.0 site. GMail uses style sheets and it is a Web 2.0 app.
Finally, the point that motivated me to respond. "A whole lot of performance." That is just nonsense. Web 2.0 methods can be used to speed up web pages by reducing the amount of traffic and work that is done on the server. Instead of having the server generate complete pages, it just generates the parts that need to be inserted or changed. Have a look at this cool Web 2.0 app(needs Mozilla/Firefox/XUL). I can find things much quicker than if I had to use the standard Amazon page.
I read:
Hey, I love Linux as much as the next guy. I've been using it on my desktop since 1996. Check out my Slashdot UID to see what I mean. Anyway, I just want to say that I've had ATI drivers - the proprietary closed source ones - crash my Linux box many times. The drivers can definitely lockup your PC no matter what OS you're running. You can even crash Linux with a simple one line bash script. I just want to say that the Windows crashing can't all be blamed on Windows. The drivers deserve some of the blame.
Michael Dell has little to do with innovation. He's a brilliant businessman but I do not think his job function entitles him to media attention like Gates or Jobs.
Hold your horses there big boy. Sounds like your implying that Bill Gates innovates like Steve Jobs. Let me tell you something. Bill Gates packages software like Micheal Dell packages computers. There's no more software innovation happening at Microsoft than their is hardware innovation happening at Dell. Microsoft's business is taking what other people have innovated and marketing it like they're the ones who innovated. I watched a video of some MS guys talking about RSS in Vista a few months ago and I felt like I was watching a 2 year old discovering his toes. You can do alot of cool stuff with RSS today but watch how MS puts a spin on it when Vista is released. It'll be all MS and the average consumer will watch in awe and say "Gee, those MS guys are smart cookies".
No, but I heard something crack.
What if Real delivers a buggy adware piece of shit to be bundled?
IE is bundled with Windows and no one seems to complain.
Wait a minute, do you mean ... Oh never mind.
Ya ya, we know, it'a feature not a bug. Who do you report to at Microsoft anyway?
Hmm, you missed his First Post!
Don't bother buying an ATI card if you plan on using their driver for any GL work. Your box will lock up hard. Constantly. You won't be able to play UT2004 for more than 30 minutes on a good day.
After 2 years of fighthing with the crappy ATI drivers and my Radeon 9000 I finally gave up and bought an Nvidia. It's been three months since the purchase and my system has not locked up once. It is rock solid. I put the Radeon 9000 in the kids computer which runs Windows XP and it's much more stable there so I know that there is nothing wrong with the card. The ATI provided Linux drivers are just horrible.
What is urgent and not important? Give me some examples because I can't think of any.
Should be:
from the yeah-umm-sorrry-about-that-my-bad dept.
Oh wait, that would be a dupe dept
You have blurred the line between corporal punishment and abuse.
That's the problem. When you take the route of physical punishment, especially in the heat of the moment, chances of abuse are much higher. It's not a chance that I want to take.
I rarely see a parent pysically punish their children a day or two after the incident. Physical punishment is usually done in the heat of the moment or very shortly thereafter. Parents who physically discipline their children, do it because they can't control themselves. Try this next time your kids need to be punished. Wait a week and then let them have it. I can guarantee you that you won't feel good about doing it because you've had a week to think about it and you know that there are much better ways to handle the situation.
You might not have emotional scars, lucky you. Some aren't so lucky. How about the quality of their lives as children, does that count for anything? Take the opportunity to show your children good values like values like patience and self control.
Did you read the articly about how children compare to chimps in learning? Children imitate. No wonder there's so much violence in this world. Probaly from all the parents who hit their children. Imagine if parents throughout the world never hit their children. Do you think that the crime rate you go up, down or stay the same. I think that it would go down, no doubt in my mind.
How on earth can this be considered intuitive? How would a first-time user know about this? (Notice that even Linus didn't)
Eventually, the user gets real mad, hits the keyboard and voila, the text box appears! You can't get more intuitive than that.
Hey MSFanboy, don't get me started on the technology that MS has bought, copied and stolen over the years. They're not innocent.
In this case MS developed all of this in house.
What database backend is MS using, SQL Server? Bought.
I was referring to the maps web interface, not the database. I thought that's what we were comparing.
Sure, I give them full credit for copying what Google did. Good job Microsoft!
I've been in a situation that I only needed to revert a certain part of the document. I would hate to reverse all the changes only to redo most of them.
How about using the Scroll Lock to toggle between web app and OS app?
Depends on who's face. Bill Gates? *ducks*
No, I disagree. Perhaps maybe not the Slashdot crowd, but in general, the non Linux users still see Linux as a server OS. I once showed someone a video on Linux and the reaction was "Huh, that's weird. I have a hard time imagining a video running on Linux". He said this as he was _watching_ the video and as if he couldn't believe his own eyes (no it wasn't pr0n).
If I had mod points you'd get them. Nicely said.
Ya, figures your comment gets rated up. This is /.
I think that slight errors in any framework or programming language can cause big problems and not something particular about AJAX.
Now its just a field of people climbing over themselves in order to write code for mega-corporations for free.
Nope. I and millions of others will also get to befenit from the code for free. The difference is, the mega-corporations are now paying for it instead of having it done for free which accelerates the development process.
Google is doing this because they cannot compete with Microsoft as long as Microsoft controls the software.