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Air Guitar That Actually Plays!

An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist has a nice feature of a real air guitar developed by a three students at the Helsinki University of Technology. In a nutshell it is a Linux PC with a sound card and webcam."

228 comments

  1. Don't even comment... by dada21 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...on anyone who made a skin flute that actually works. At least no one from /.

    1. Re:Don't even comment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or playing the organ....No..nobody please mention playing the organ either please...

    2. Re:Don't even comment... by chrismcdirty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is it okay to mention bagpipes?

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    3. Re:Don't even comment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried to play skin flute on your mom, but she insisted instead of playing the rusty trombone. I love her tone!

    4. Re:Don't even comment... by bignobody · · Score: 1

      on anyone who made a skin flute that actually works. Clearly you've never heard of genital piercings...

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    5. Re:Don't even comment... by shrewd · · Score: 1

      what about penis? can i say that?

    6. Re:Don't even comment... by serutan · · Score: 1

      At least no one from /.

      Speak for yourself.

  2. Dude! by Somethingsomethingw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most excellent!

    air guitar

    1. Re:Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, the mods need to calm down and rock out a little!

    2. Re:Dude! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most excellent!

      "Most Old" is more like it. His approach is new, but the VR community has had this working for a LONG time. As described in the book "VR Construction Kit" (probably out of print, I'm too lazy to check) positional gloves with finger sensors (e.g. The PowerGlove) were originally invented by a fellow who wanted an air guitar that would work. After a bit of finagling with the electronics, he came up with gloves containing Piezo-electric strips that could detect finger position. Thus the first "air guitar that works" was born. ;-)

    3. Re:Dude! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      Go watch either of the Bill & Ted movies and you'll understand exactly what the GP was referencing...

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    4. Re:Dude! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      No, I got the reference. ("Rock on Dudes and Dudettes! ... Those Medieval babes are bodacious! ... RUFUS!") I'm just pointing out that it's not quite as "Excellent" as previously thought. (Not that it isn't a cool hack, mind you.) :-)

      P.S. "Be excellent to each other, and PARTY ON DUDES!" ;-D

    5. Re:Dude! by MountainLogic · · Score: 1
      "Most Old" is more like it. His approach is new, but the VR community has had this working for a LONG time. As described in the book "VR Construction Kit" (probably out of print, I'm too lazy to check) positional gloves with finger sensors (e.g. The PowerGlove) were originally invented by a fellow who wanted an air guitar that would work. After a bit of finagling with the electronics, he came up with gloves containing Piezo-electric strips that could detect finger position. Thus the first "air guitar that works" was born. ;-)

      True, I saw this at Evergreen in the early '80s done with a data glove. THe data glove had fiber optic sensors and was a big deal with the VR types back then. It cost a bucket load of money too.

    6. Re:Dude! by psylew · · Score: 1

      Actually, what's neat about their approach is that you only have to wear brightly colored gloves - no glove-sensors necessary. The way I see it, this is the first step to not needing gloves of any color - which would be totally sweet. :)

  3. Missing the point by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Funny

    The real story here is that they got a Webcam AND a sound card working under Linux...on the same box.

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    1. Re:Missing the point by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://airguitar.tml.hut.fi.nyud.net:8090/tech.htm l

      The real story is:
      you + webcam input + gesture recognition + musical interpretation + physical sound model = rock'n'roll!

      I'm not even going to try and give you the Soviet Russian version of that.

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    2. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You know, I have no problem understanding the humor in it, but actually I usually have more trouble getting soundcards working under Windows than under Linux, because the soundchips have such obscure naming, and if you don't have the box it can be pretty tedious.
      Under Linux, well if you're using a non-compile distro, it usually just works, if you're using gentoo or the like, "cat /proc/pci" find the soundchip name, and chose it from the kernel compiler, and you're there. It may not be (your definition of) easy to get the system running, but atleast i don't have to check out lousy unorganized driverpages, and yes, creatives is probably the worst of them.

    3. Re:Missing the point by mwilli · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, air guitar plays you!
      *ducks*

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    4. Re:Missing the point by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Good point. I've got a Gigabyte mobo on an old Duron box that I'm installing Win2k onto for a friend, an getting the onboard sound chipset to work is a huge nuisance. First I thought it had some silly via thing (the mobo docs list two alternate chipsets) and it worked fine - but the computer would freeze up occaisionally. It took me a long time to realise that it was the soundcard causing it. Then, on further research, I realised it had a Creative Labs chip in there. Now, when I run the Creative installer it doesn't do anything - click the exe, hourglass appears.... and nothing happens, hourglass disappears. The only ini file gets ignored by the "add hardware" wizard.

      Sound chipsets + win = PITA unless you've got the original driver disks handy.

    5. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, You are absolutely right. But seeing as you are a geek, is it really that fucking hard to crack the case, take a look and notice that CREATIVE LABS is printed on the fucking chip.

        As for the non geek, well, you can either go to the website of said computer and download the drivers (Dell, HP, Toshiba, ETC...) or you can order another fucking restore disk.

      This was meant to be offensive because you come off as a semi-idiot in your post but it was also meant to prove the point that anything can be a PITA if you unwilling to gather the required information first.

    6. Re:Missing the point by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      You know, that may seem like a trolly smart-alec comment, but it is VERY true. I am experimenting with the same type of real-time video stuff that these guys are doing (locating people, swords, guns, etc.) and I'm doing it under Windows for this exact reason.

    7. Re:Missing the point by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Problem is probably with the installer. Install WinRAR (or some other extraction program that can read .exe files), right click on the installer, select extract to folder. This action should provide you with all the files you need. Now, goto the hardware manager, select the device whose driver you want to update (or alternatively, run the new hardware wizard, if it isn't detected), click update driver, select the proper ini file from the extracted files folder. Should install.

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    8. Re:Missing the point by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Computer is custom and very old - can't find original specs. Found the ID of the mobo, but mobo comes in multiple, indistinguishable versions with different chipsets. Sound chip is hidden behind the PSU so I can't see it.

      And screw you.

    9. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you appear to be fluent in configuring Linux systems I will assume you are not mentally deficient.

      The reason your creative drivers would not install is because the previous ones had decided to control the hardware.

      To resole the problem, first uninstall the old drivers.

      Delete the left over ini files.

      Remove the hardware from windows via device manager.

      Reboot eh computer and point it to the creative drivers when it finds the new hardware.

      It is fixed.

      If it is not fixed you did it wrong.

      Easy, No. Effective, Yes!

      You are welcome.

    10. Re:Missing the point by iamjoltman · · Score: 0, Redundant

      In Soviet Russia, rock'n'roll + webcam input + gesture recognition + musical interpretation + physical sound model = YOU

    11. Re:Missing the point by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      Olaf: My love for you is like a truck, BERZERKER! Would you like some making fuck, BERZERKER!

    12. Re:Missing the point by Articuno · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can I ? Can I ? :-)
      In Soviet Russia, rock'n'roll! - (webcam input + gesture recognition + musical interpretation + physical sound model) = you !

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    13. Re:Missing the point by Krilomir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >The real story is:
      >you + webcam input + gesture recognition + musical interpretation + physical sound model = rock'n'roll!

      Kinda like what you can already do with the Eye-toy thing for Playstation 2 really ... just using linux instead.

    14. Re:Missing the point by whitey5386 · · Score: 1

      So someone actually installed linux on their ps2?

    15. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in Poland You,Webcam Input,Gesture Recognition,Musical Interpretation,Physical sound model,+,+,+,+->Rock'n'roll=

  4. Eyetoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe I've seen a game for the eyetoy which does the same thing.

  5. Next... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next, an imaginary audience that actually applauds.

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    1. Re:Next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Next, an imaginary audience that actually applauds.

      And quite apropro for the /. crowd, imaginary groupies to meet backstage with.

    2. Re:Next... by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Informative


      Isn't that what laugh tracks are for?

    3. Re:Next... by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      Uhh, that was mastered many years ago for TV sitcoms without live studio audiences.

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    4. Re:Next... by FridayBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Next, an imaginary audience that actually applauds."

      You know, this shouldn't be too hard to do. You could to write some software to simulate different types of concert crowds, at different levels of enthusiasm.

      You could, for instance, have it react to the signal from your electric guitar or microphone to fill in the quite moments of your jam session. You could also it produce a roar of recognition from a virtual crowd for whatever piece of shit you start practicing on your favorite instrument. Whenever you're finished, lots of more applause!!

      Something like this could be really, really funny! Your own little automatic, Hollywood applause machine. Hey, you could have it do laugh-tracks too, although this would be more difficult to trigger automatically.

    5. Re:Next... by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      Next, an imaginary audience that actually applauds.

      Does Karaoke Revolution count?

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    6. Re:Next... by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      The "Hollywood applause machine" is a big reason why we are where we are now regarding entertainment.

      One of the funniest lines I heard on the Simpsons was a reference to viewers actually focussing their eyeballs.

      Someone needs to write a lengthy Salon article or a book on the evils of manufactured approval.

    7. Re:Next... by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      When the laugh track starts then the fun starts!

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    8. Re:Next... by Solosoft · · Score: 1

      Haha ... Orbital ... the blue album :)

      That song is cool tho I like Orbital they got some trippy music

    9. Re:Next... by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      I have trouble imagining just _how_ horrid this will sound ... unless you get random hand movements to trigger a pre-sampled Yngwie Malmsteen track ... oh, wait, forget it.

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    10. Re:Next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, actually Helsinki University of Technology did that as well:
      http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/publications/files/the ses/lpeltola_mst/

  6. Slightly easier to build... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...I just built myself a theremin based partly on this. It transmits a pair of RF signals at around 1MHz. As you move your hand around it varies the inductance of the coils so that the coils transmit at slightly different frequencies. As a result you get a signal at the average of the two frequencies modulated by the beat frequency. Tune an AM receiver to the average frequency and you get to listen to just the beats. It took a couple of hours to build. (The project I linked to above has an AM receiver built into the circuit but I didn't bother with that as I already had a spare radio.)

    1. Re:Slightly easier to build... by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

      There was a commercial product marketed towards guitarists that did essencially the same thing. It used the sensing area to modulate whatever effect was chosen at the time. Can't remember it's name though. I gave up guitar after 8 years of playing when I discovered programmming :-)

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    2. Re:Slightly easier to build... by XorNand · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah yes... to hear one of the few "theremin solos" that exist in popular music, check out LedZep's "Whole Lotta Love".

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    3. Re:Slightly easier to build... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

      I used to (attempt to) play bass but I guess I couldn't fit it in around other things, including programming. I have been playing with writing some code to combine my interests but I can't stand using the horrible audio APIs on my PowerBook. I wish I could just pour audio samples into the audio device and be done with it rather than go through hoops to connect this or that object to this or that device. I have code to generate raw samples, convert them to wav, and play them via quicktime, but that way it's no longer interactive...

    4. Re:Slightly easier to build... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

      Weird! I sold my copy of Led Zep's remasters a week before building the theremin. I'll be disappointed if the version of Whole Lotta Love on there had the theremin on it. I hadn't noticed it. Still, the money I got from selling it went towards this which has some amazing theremin playing. I had no clue I was simply exchanging one theremin track for another!

    5. Re:Slightly easier to build... by AndrewSmith1969 · · Score: 1

      The other classic theremin in pop music is the Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations"... A lovely instrument!

    6. Re:Slightly easier to build... by DTC · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're thinking of the EBow?

    7. Re:Slightly easier to build... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you're interested, check out this Flecktones show with guest thereminist pamela kurstin.

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    8. Re:Slightly easier to build... by 2names · · Score: 2, Funny
      Q: What do you call a Bass Player without a girlfriend?

      A: Homeless.

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    9. Re:Slightly easier to build... by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

      1) Knock, Knock

      2) Who's There?

      3) Bass Player

      4) Bass Player who?

      5) Why does noone ever remember who the bass player is?

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    10. Re:Slightly easier to build... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Weird! I sold my copy of Led Zep's remasters a week before building the theremin. I'll be disappointed if the version of Whole Lotta Love on there had the theremin on it."

      He plays the theramin on pretty much every version of WLL...the only exception I can think of is the abbreviated one at the end of the Zeppelin DVD set from Knebworth.

      It is in the middle part of the song with all the weird sounds flying around mixed in with Plant's wailing. In the movie, The Song Remains The Same...you can see Jimmy waving his had around the theramin, using his other hand to work the Echoplex delay he ran it through...and also directing Plant's vocals. I think Jimmy uses the theramin some also on How Many More Times?, and on the song No Quarter. He used to really solo a lot with it as a kind of break during his guitar solos in the live 3+ hour shows they used to put on.

      Way back when bands used to really be able to play...and proved it live.

      But yes, if I recall...he used a theramin, run through and Echoplex, into an Orange cabinet...not sure what kind of amp head he used for this part of his set up....

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    11. Re:Slightly easier to build... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      now really?
      a man goes to the musician school for his first bass playing lesson.
      he goes there the next week for a second lesson.
      and the week after he also goes there for his third lesson.
      on the fourth week he isn't there. why?

      he is on his first gig ;-)

      stop bassism :-b

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    12. Re:Slightly easier to build... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

      I was completely unaware of the whole bassist joke thing. Though this story isn't a joke, it's just plain true. I picked up the bass so I could play Joy Division bass lines. I had pretty well mastered them in a few weeks. But Peter Hook's career is still going strong.

    13. Re:Slightly easier to build... by TWX · · Score: 1

      It's not just bass players. These jokes are applied to any given musician. I first heard them used with Viola players.

      What do you call a Viola player with two brain cells?

      Pregnant.


      What do you call a busload of Viola players going off a cliff?

      A Shame.

      What do you call a busload of Viola players going off a cliff with a few empty seats?

      A Crying Shame

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    14. Re:Slightly easier to build... by coronaride · · Score: 1

      You're right. There's jokes for every instrument. The common element, however, is that just about every instrument is easy to pick up (for the reasonably competent) and play. Mastering said instrument, however, is what is more complicated. I know tons of people who can play instruments, but there are few that I'd trust to play a gig with me.

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  7. Wyld Stallyans Rule! by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 4, Funny

    Excellent! Finally we can get to cleaning up air polution with our air guitar playing, and usher in a new Utopia.

    Party on Bill!
    Party on Ted!

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    1. Re:Wyld Stallyans Rule! by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > Excellent! Finally we can get to cleaning up air polution with our air guitar playing, and usher in a new Utopia.
      >
      > Party on Bill!
      > Party on Ted!

      Join us now and share the software!
      WYLD GNUZ!

    2. Re:Wyld Stallyans Rule! by UttBuggly · · Score: 1

      Totally non-heinous!

      And remember, be excellent to each other!

      (Especially if your thrashing around playing air guitar causes breakage of your roommate's furniture)

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    3. Re:Wyld Stallyans Rule! by Mignon · · Score: 2, Funny
      Join us now and share the software!
      WYLD GNUZ!

      You sure you don't mean WYLD STALLMANS?

  8. Mismatch by The_reformant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does strumming frantically produce hammer-ons? If im using hammer-ons and pull offs i have to strum less not more.

    To be honest in the hands of novices you could just play a random pre-recorded solo and they probably wouldnt know the difference and in the hands of someone who can play....why???

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    1. Re:Mismatch by oscartheduck · · Score: 1

      My guess would be that this is just a limitation of the technology right now:
       
        A player then needs only to don a pair of brightly coloured gloves in order to rock out. Computer vision software automatically keeps track of their hands and detects different gestures, as a video of the system in action demonstrates (22MB, requires Windows Media Player and DivX codec for the visual aspect of the footage).
       
      So it's really keeping track of some bright gloves; a webcam isn't the most sensitive of cameras, so distinguishing between a bright glove that is just touching the virtual fretboard and shaking around because there isn't actually anything there and a bright glove that is trying the hammer on and pull off is probably very difficult. It sounds to me from the article that it basically tracks crude movement.

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    2. Re:Mismatch by JPriest · · Score: 1

      You had a very unhappy childhood didn't you?

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    3. Re:Mismatch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummmmm... Maybe they just wanted it to work first before applying music theory. Give them a break!

    4. Re:Mismatch by FrankNputer · · Score: 1

      That's not strumming, that's wanking - thus, hammer-ons & pull-offs certainly apply.

    5. Re:Mismatch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, this was my pretty much my reaction as well. Probably a pretty involved project from the programming side, but pretty lame for the real guitarist. Probably a kind of neat toy for about 10 minutes for the musically clueless...

      Not to take anything away from the technical aspects of the project (I sure as hell couldn't put together anything like it), but what's the point of this thing?

    6. Re:Mismatch by Urchlay · · Score: 1
      > So it's really keeping track of some bright gloves; a webcam isn't the most sensitive of cameras, so distinguishing between a bright glove that is just touching the virtual fretboard and shaking around because there isn't actually anything there and a bright glove that is trying the hammer on and pull off is probably very difficult. It sounds to me from the article that it basically tracks crude movement.

      ...but you strum with your right hand, and you hammer-on/pull-off with your left (vice versa for left-handed players). It can't tell which hand is which?

      Actually, from reading the article... it looks like this isn't a realistic simulation of playing a real guitar. For one thing, it's not chromatic: you're stuck in whichever pentatonic minor scale the software uses. Also, "strumming wildly" isn't how you do "blues bends" on a real guitar at all...

      The article also says "As a player moves their left hand along the neck of their virtual guitar, the computer will run through the scale"... which sounds like it's just using horizontal motion to decide what note to play. Probably it doesn't even look at what "frets" your fingers are on, or even consider your fingers separately at all (I bet it just uses hand position, and you could play with your fist closed if you wanted).

      I might be misinterpreting things, though... Anyone here actually seen this beast in person yet?

    7. Re:Mismatch by oscartheduck · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I got from it; this isn't a realistic simulation at all, it's just kind of... well crappy.

      Maybe I can clarify what I meant: I meant that, yes, it can tell which hand is which, but it can't detect depth of movement, only movement along the left-right axis.

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    8. Re:Mismatch by aug24 · · Score: 1
      in the hands of someone who can play....why???

      Because I bite my nails.

      Justin.

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  9. No Slashvertisement? by matr0x_x · · Score: 0, Troll

    I didn't think this story would be posted until there was a link with the story that had ads selling the product!

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    1. Re:No Slashvertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  10. Welcome..... by LoneGNUman · · Score: 1, Funny

    I for one welcome our air guitar playing overlords.......

  11. Question by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can it distinguish the different chords? TFA only mentions two orange blobs (the two hands), but they don't say anything about how to recognize when the different strings are pressed.

    1. Re:Question by mordors9 · · Score: 1

      Well hopefully it can't. That is part of the reason geeks play air guitar, they have not musical ability at all. This will ruin it for all of them.

    2. Re:Question by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can it distinguish the different chords? TFA only mentions two orange blobs (the two hands), but they don't say anything about how to recognize when the different strings are pressed.

      Do you really play real and different chords and solos when playing air guitar?

      Personally, I make the shit up because I don't know how to play guitar. Thats why I'm playing the air one.

    3. Re:Question by D-Cypell · · Score: 1

      Thats a damn good point. I didnt spend the last 15 years perfecting my air guitar technique to have this damn contraption play a DMaj7 when I was fretting a Asus4!!!

    4. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it detects scale by the relative position of the two orange blobs, and plays minor chords by default. there is a foot pedal to switch chords. I'm not sure if that's between major/minor/6/7 chords or between scales on the same fret, e.g. E/A, G/C. but of course, if you're ever so sophisticated to need a foot pedal, you might as well try it on a real guitar.

    5. Re:Question by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a nintendo powerglobe would do the trick... that'd be a really interesting experiment.

    6. Re:Question by Urusai · · Score: 1

      Knowing where to put your fingers kind of misses the point of air guitar, which is simply a fancy version of tapping your toe to music. If you actually knew fingerings and such, you wouldn't be playing air guitar, would you?

      Next up, a machine that takes toe taps and produces full blown symphonies. Sure, they all sound like Beethoven's Fifth, but that's gotta be good, right?

    7. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I would've modded you funny if you'd used something like G6 and Em7, which use the same notes.

      I guess you have two notes the same here. Sigh. So close....

  12. Wow, a general purpose operating system! by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yet again we see a slashdot article that mentions something neat that people did with a PC with a general purpose operating system. Does the operating system matter or is the choice of OS even interesting? Probably not more than and possibly much less than the programming language that the thing was written in.. but does that get mentioned?

    Face it, folks. Linux is a general purpose operating system on which you can do all of the expected things that one can do with such. We are WELL past the time where you can do basic things, like program and use webcams, on Linux, and nobody reading slashdot really needs to be fluffed further in this respect.

    As far as this story goes, unless the inventors did something that could more or less only have been done on linux, then the linux aspect of this story is irrelevant.

    1. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "Yet again we see a slashdot article that mentions something neat that people did with a PC with a general purpose operating system."

      This story was better when it appeared on digg.com last week, too.

    2. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by jorenko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You might notice that the text of the post is not, "OMFG LINUX WINS AGAIN I BET WINDOWS COULDN'T DO AIR GUITARS!" Rather, it states that a real playing air guitar simulator has been developed as the primary point, and, hey, neat this is the technology it runs on by the way.

    3. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by oscartheduck · · Score: 1

      Personally, I like knowing what OS something is running on. That way, I don't jump up and down in excitement about some great new program that I can't run.

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    4. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      Rather, it states that a real playing air guitar simulator has been developed as the primary point, and, hey, neat this is the technology it runs on by the way.

      Anyone remember a venture Atari (back when they actually made computers like the Atari ST and TT) got into to make some sort of revolutionary instrument? I remember it being something similar - an "air harp" of some sort. It was so bizarre that all of the Atari computer mags were full of nonsense about this product just because Atari the company was flushing some money into it.

      Just like the Atari Transputer. What ever became of that?

    5. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by Flammon · · Score: 1

      No, I disagree. Perhaps maybe not the Slashdot crowd, but in general, the non Linux users still see Linux as a server OS. I once showed someone a video on Linux and the reaction was "Huh, that's weird. I have a hard time imagining a video running on Linux". He said this as he was _watching_ the video and as if he couldn't believe his own eyes (no it wasn't pr0n).

    6. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by southpolesammy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. And furthermore, is this were developed on Mac OSX or Solaris or Windows, do you think this would have been accepted as a /. story?

      The bias here towards Linux is really getting old at this point. Might as well redo the slogan to be "News for Linux nerds. Stuff that matters as long as it's Linux."

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    7. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by rayzat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I did the same thing 6 years ago, with a web cam on a windows 98 box, using Visual C++. So maybe you could say that Linux caught up with 6 year old windows technology, just kidding, although I'm sure I'll get plenty of anti-Microsoft snaps. I've also done many another web cam projects, center a web cam on a moving target, point a web cam at a speaking target, point a laser pointer at a moving target, recognive text on a white board as people write making a virtual white board. All in all this sort of thing isn't that hard or complicated.

    8. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by timcharper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Face it, folks. Linux is an awesome operating system which can do many things that windows can, but doesn't have inhibiting copy-protection and is open source. Anyone can make modifications to it if they want. Its also free. Its been developed by a community of developers around the world. I say, fluff on. Linux deserves all the attention it can get. Overall, it makes the world a better place for the consumer by putting a little heat on the commercial competition.

    9. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by br0ck · · Score: 1

      I think Slashdot beats Digg on this one. Digg didn't really even have it first since it never showed up on the home page or on any of the section home pages. It only appeared on the raw diggall area that is flooded with so much stuff that it would have been nearly impossible to have caught this. When it did appear on that page, it showed up four times with ok summaries, but with no interesting commentary at all. Slashdot can also do TWO links, shocking but true, so they were able to link both to the actual site and to the NewScientist writeup.

      one two three four

      I still don't understand why neither site has a 'this link has previously been posted' message when potential dupes are posted.

    10. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by southpolesammy · · Score: 1

      Not at all what I'm saying. I'm techo-agnostic -- I want to see cool things like this regardless of the platform. The fact that /. only seems to report on cool things running on Linux and bad things running on other platforms (namely Windows) makes me view them as biased.

      It doesn't make an air guitar running on Linux any less cool, just that I don't think the editor's eyes are open wide enough lately to cool things happening in other arenas.

      BTW, for the record, I'm a Solaris and Linux fan myself, but I try to keep an open mind about everything, regardless of the source. It's unfortunate that /. does not echo that mindset.

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    11. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

      The bias here towards Linux is really getting old at this point. Might as well redo the slogan to be "News for Linux nerds. Stuff that matters as long as it's Linux."

      Yes, please! It's about time to make things blatantly clear, because it seems the newcomers just don't get it! Think the Linux bias here is old? It's because it is as old as the site itself -- Slashdot is a Linux site (or at least it was until it started morphing into a more general tech site).

      Just take a look at the number of Linux-related categories, the "Borg" icon for Microsoft news, the "broken windows" icon for Windows news, etc.

      Actually, often I think Slashdot has too little Linux focus.

    12. Re:Wow, a general purpose operating system! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that was some good Flamebait! You almost had me there.

  13. Done Before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has already been done last year - at leat in a limited fashion - oin EyeToy Play 2 on the PS2.

  14. Something lost in the translation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virtual Air Guitar," eh? Now that's an unfortunate acronym if they ever try to market this...

    1. Re:Something lost in the translation? by mcsestretch · · Score: 0

      No...Free Air Guitar would be an unfortunate acronym.

  15. Cool, but by i_should_be_working · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when I play air guitar the traditional way it sounds good.

    This new way might sound somewhat like how my actual guitar playing sounds: like crap.

    More seriously, now that technology is this good, and we have things like this and the new Nintendo controller, maybe it's time for Nintendo (or someone else) to bring back the Power Glove for games and other computer stuff.

  16. What songs? by Svippy · · Score: 0, Funny

    So when you buy the set, does it come with instruction on how to play "Smoke on the Water"?

    Or does it just assume you are playing the F notes?

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  17. Release date? by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, dont tell me, that dont even enter into the "Vaporware" category, is just thin air.

  18. In a nutshell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    In a nutshell it is a Linux PC with a sound card and webcam.
    A Linux PC in a nutshell? Brilliant!
    1. Re:In a nutshell... by C++12 · · Score: 1

      A Linux PC in a nutshell? Brilliant!

      Soon Lian Li will be selling system chassi constructed entirely of walnut-shell-pressboard. For $600.

    2. Re:In a nutshell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is a Linux PC in a nutshell:

      "Help! I'm in a nutshell!! Help!"

      (apologies to Austin Powers)

  19. Mac Isight by olddotter · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are some games and sound software that do similar things on the Mac using the isight. I soon expect to see the user interface from Minority Report in operation on one of the more enlightened operations systems (read: non-microsoft).

    1. Re:Mac Isight by UprlghtCitizen · · Score: 0

      yea but something like that must get tiring. Holding your arms out and waving your hands, for 5 hours straight? Hmmmmmmmmmm

  20. Yes, it runs Linux, but ... by njchick · · Score: 1

    does it play Ogg?

  21. Best get a pink oboe.. by frinkacheese · · Score: 0

    I have a pink oboe that plays quite well. Has some problems with the higher notes at times though.

    1. Re:Best get a pink oboe.. by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      I have a pink oboe that plays quite well. Has some problems with the higher notes at times though.

      how often to you need to empty the spit valve?

      ewwwww......

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  22. Perfect... by JonN · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now all I need is an air mic for the shower and I can start my album

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    1. Re:Perfect... by frinkacheese · · Score: 0

      And with my pink oboe we'll have a band! Just think of the possibilities...

    2. Re:Perfect... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, an ordinary vacuum mic just won't cut it in shower-singing situations.

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  23. Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    How can it distinguish the different chords?

    It doesn't. I tried it last summer in the science park, it's really just the two orange blobs. You can produce vaguely electric-guitar-like sounds but not play an actual song.

    There's also drums with the same tech.

    My niece also tested both; she abandoned the guitar pretty quickly and kept returning to the drums. I'll trust the judgement of a six-year-old on this one.

  24. It's such a shame that... by Serengeti · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... even if they succeed completely with this project, they're all still just a bunch of wannabe's.

  25. This is already out there..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your kidding right. this stuff is advertised on TV all the time. Punch the balloons as they fall. Beat up the bad guys as Batman. Nothing to see here at all.

  26. haha by UprlghtCitizen · · Score: 0

    Geeks, Drugs and ROCK 'N ROLL!

  27. I just pooped! by antifoidulus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    man, is that a load off!

  28. Very interesting by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a musician and computer geek, I'm really fascinated by how they do this. There are so many nuances to guitar playing that it will be intriguing to see how they can pull this off.

    For example, does it analyze the angle/arc of the left hand to determine which strings are being stuck? That would suck to slightly arc your hand and suddenly you're playing the wrong string.

    How does it determine where your left hand is in relation to the position of the neck? There are various neck sizes, after all.

    The article implies that this is meant to simulate an electric guitar. With acoustic, you can strum on just about any position on the string and it will sound the same. With electric, the sound varies on the position due to the different pickups, each with its own tonal qualities, but each pickup is only an inch or so apart. Can this differentiate such minute details?

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not looking at this as an "all or nothing" deal like a lot of people do on Slashdot. Oh, well, it can't do everything so it's teh suck! This is a very interesting start. I'm pondering more for what its potential could be more than what it can do right now. The whole cliché of taking baby steps first comes to mind.

    Personally, I'd rather play the real thing. But at least this method could get people interested in guitar playing if they are too intimidated to buy a real one. And this won't result in painful calluses at the finger tips. :)

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    1. Re:Very interesting by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Heh I asked the same question. See the answer here.

    2. Re:Very interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the sound being the same regardless of where you play it on an acoustic guitar: not true. If you play right above the soundhole you get a much more resonant sound than when you play in front of, or behind the soundhole.

    3. Re:Very interesting by thekel · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that it doesn't actually register the chords you are playing on said air guitar. It just makes up/matches a rock sequence to the type of motion that you are doing. You are not in control of the instrument as if you were holding a real guitar. Their program just tries to match the beat and pitch and maybe a few other things like finger tapping etc.

    4. Re:Very interesting by yermama · · Score: 1

      My initial thought was the same, but then... it seems to me that there is a holy shit opportunity here.

      I have been struggling (with some progress) to learn to play the guitar for years.... Imagine this system: I put on headphones and air guitar to my favorite tunes for a few hours while the computer LEARNS how *I* play... blam-o! Then I can just start jamming/getting creative without ever having learned the instrument!!!

      Me likey.

  29. Clap Clap Clap by boltaron_bill · · Score: 1

    thats it.. Clap

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  30. A third of the way there by ISoldMyLowIdOnEbay · · Score: 1

    Now all I need is an amplifier that goes to 11, a couple of Disaster Area's speakers, and I can level my neighbour's house!

  31. It finally happened! by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every frustrated, talentless, guitarist-wanna-be can now boot up and fill the air with cacophonic emanations that sound nothing like their axe-grinding heroes.

    Where do I get one?

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    1. Re:It finally happened! by nihaopaul · · Score: 1
      Well the larger application would be of this:

      imagine a new type of advertising on the street, one where the audience creates the attention for the advertisment, one where the audience can stand and watch or play along.. its brilliant! now its time to seek capital investment.

      ok and yes you can steal the computer and webcam, coming to a street near you...

  32. More Theremin Here... by Schwarzchild · · Score: 1
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  33. It still sounds like schitt by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you can play it 'just like a guitar' - why not just buy a guitar?

    Is there some weird aversion to strings that people have?

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    1. Re:It still sounds like schitt by Wuukie · · Score: 4, Funny

      You just don't get it, do you?

    2. Re:It still sounds like schitt by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

      Strings hurt my fingers. This would be so much better!

    3. Re:It still sounds like schitt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's quite simple. You don't play or aren't dedicated enough. It's good enough for all the other musicians in the world. Also, the pain is quite a bit less on a guitar than on, say, a violin.

  34. Onboard Creative chip ? by DrYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it happens to be a EMU10k# chip, you may be interested in kXproject.
    Alternate Open-source project for EMU chips.

    On the other hand if it's a ESS chip, you're out of luck unless you switch to FreeDOS (DOS PnP drivers are easy to find on internet) or Linux (OSS works out of the box, ALSA may need some tweaking if your chip uses unusual port numbers [like on my old deprecated laptop] and in all other case works perfectly).

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  35. Great! by waif69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I won't just look stupid, I'll sound stupid too!

  36. *blink* Which? Huh? by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1
    For some reason, this comment and its moderation brought a chuckle over the self-referentiality of the statement.

    And, in a vague attempt to be on-topic, the idea is interesting, but I'll be more impressed once they can get it to work without the gloves. If nothing else, couldn't you see as a nice input method for translating ASL to glossed English? Sure, it will take a lot more work to get any kind of grammar working, but just being able to translate individual signs to the English equivalents would be of great value in emergency situations and hospitals.

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  37. RE: Upcoming Concert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Bill & Ted,
    The 80s called; they want you to come back.
    - Rufus

  38. Thats pretty nifty by stunt_penguin · · Score: 1

    I was going to try something like this with a webcam and Flash- the new Bitmap API lets you access raw pixel information, and getting information from a webcam is a snip with the new Video object. It'd be pretty processor intensive though, and i'd need a few samples to go with it too. Ho Hum. :o/

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  39. Ah, the Finnish national instrument! by saintp · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:Ah, the Finnish national instrument! by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1
      I normally hate flash animations, but the one at the top of that page must surely be considered modern expressionism at its best!

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  40. Air Guitar Championships by ryen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Might be useful here.

    1. Re:Air Guitar Championships by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the winner goes to Finland to compete in the air guitar world championship...

  41. Console prediction by Snamh+Da+Ean · · Score: 0

    This is a fairly frivolous, fun development, and good luck to the researchers who developed it.

    If I were them, I would be hawking this bigtime to the console manufactures as with a little more finesse this could easily blossom into something like Sony's EyeToy.

    How about combining this with a Revolution controller so you can wave a conductor's baton to change the tempo of your buddy's air guitar grooving? I, for one, would welcome my new baton overlord.

  42. Disruptive technology by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    This could actually change not just the way music is developed, but all of human-computer interaction.

    Ramifications include:

    • Systems for air piano, air sax, air drums, etc. You could have a whole air band.
    • Air music instruction. Learn to play some instrument using a mockup cardboard model, then just air.
    • New air instruments. A program could interpret how a dancer/artist moves as music.
    • New art medium. Life magazine ran a picture of Picasso painting in air with a flashlight, captured by a long-exposure camera. This technology has a direct application.
    • Air martial arts instruction.
    • Air athletics. Practice your golf swing, ball throwing, etc without going outside. These already exist, but they're not ubiquitous.
    • Air computer keyboard / mouse. Why have a keyboard, when you have a webcam and software?

    It will be nice to be able to "type" by moving around the room (or even the back yard) instead of sitting at a desk and keyboard.

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    1. Re:Disruptive technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Air martial arts?

      Dude, you will still need your body to do the moves!

  43. "Virtual" Air Guitar Project by cbreaker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Versus.. you know. The real air guitar.

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  44. For the french readers by DrYak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And in tomorrow news :
    Jean-Michel Jarre is claiming prior art...

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    1. Re:For the french readers by formant · · Score: 1

      The laser harp was invented by Bernard Szajner in 1981. http://laserharp.manuel-schulz.com/html/bernard.ht ml

  45. Playing a guitar is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geez how freaking lazy are people? Playing a few chords or scales on a guitar is easy. Shredding like Steve Vai is hard. Being a guitar genius like hendrix is nearly impossible. How about people realize that something worth doing is worth doing right. Hell, even Bill and Ted eventually used their time machine to learn how to play :)

  46. Motion tracking and interpretation by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 1

    It strikes me that this thing represents a more abstract achievement which can be reapplied in very interesting ways with a little thought.

    If it's accurate to any degree then this means that fairly minute body gestures can be interpreted and recorded digitally. So, you can:

    1. Record body mechanics of top athletes and use the recordings to do diffs against people in training
    2. Preserve a record of folk dances for dying cultures
    3. Maintain a record of surgery performed. In a litigous society this would probably be very interesting
    4. Add sign language to the babel fish
    5. I dunno, use the middle finger to reboot your computer?

    What else can you people come up with?

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  47. Hot new band on the way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Minority Report

  48. I guess that takes out Air Guitar USA by grungebox · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Air Guitar Championship is a very real contest. This invention just cheapens the craft, the artistry, the beauty, of air guitar. Check out the video on that link, btw.

  49. What are the mods on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can the second overall post be marked as "Redundant" but yet another similar reference much later be marked +5 Funny? Me thinks the moderators didn't get any last night (guess their hands had, uh, headaches).

  50. bahhhhh... 13 years too late by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in 1992 i saw a demonstration of air drums running on an amiga with a camera and a frame grabber...

    as usual, it took a decade for peecees to match the fabulous amiga of lore

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    1. Re:bahhhhh... 13 years too late by ivoras · · Score: 1

      IMHO, it takes significantly more complex computing to distinguish finger movements (!curled! finger movements) than to track two dots going up and down.

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  51. But they COULD do it by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

    Realistically, they *could* do it. Set a position for the strumming hand, press a pedal to set the position, set a position with the other hand for farthest fret, press a pedal to set the position, set a position for the innermost fret, press a pedal to set the position. Now the system has a way of determining the distance from the strumming hand and could simulate chords based on how far away the chord hand is from the strumming hand. For example, the farthest is C Maj, the next step in is D Maj, etc. and use the pedal for minor chords.

    Again, it's just a thought and still very doable based on what they're doing. It would just take some intriguing algorithms and some steady hands during play (I'm talking about playing the air guitar, you perverts!) but it would make just about every primary chord accessible.

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  52. Air just called, it wants its guitar back by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Air is suing for copyright infringement and defamation of character, how dare they. It seems they are finnished.

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  53. These guys could make a fortune.... by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
    ... if they coupled it with a "karaoke" machine.

    However, instead of omitting the vocal track, the "karaoke" machine would omit the lead (or rhythm?) guitar track.

    It might encourage the tone-deaf "singers" to try something else. If nothing else, the air-guitar antics would be more entertaining.

    1. Re:These guys could make a fortune.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully next year we'll see someone dragging a laptop and a webcam onto American Idol!

      I hope they make the final 12...

  54. Oh my lord... by Bombula · · Score: 1

    Just when you thought the air guitar world championships http://www.airguitarusa.com/home.html couldn't get any worse, now we're actually going to have to listen to these guys?

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  55. Good call, JonN, but... by CowsAnonymous · · Score: 1

    > ...now all I need is an air mic for the shower and I can start my album

    Just whatever you do, don't release a music video.

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  56. Oh, Thank God..... by GigG · · Score: 2, Funny

    With that out of the way we can finaly create Cold Fusion

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  57. Don't forget the groupies!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You can order some from here

  58. Won't somebody please think of the Artists?!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but more importantly, Does this run the Sony rootkit?!!!

  59. Now we just need another app... by kpainter · · Score: 0

    that puts the webcab output of this thing onto the web so all your friends can see you acting like a total retard.

  60. I am waiting for two more versions... by jferris · · Score: 1

    The waterproof version that works when I am rocking out in the shower and the mobile version for when I am stuck in traffic. ;-)

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  61. yeah but will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but will it run Windows?

  62. Dude! by 16777216 · · Score: 1

    No-way Bill!! Yes-way Ted!!

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  63. I thought we had something interesting here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until I read "In a nutshell it is a Linux PC with a sound card and webcam."

    Forget about music here.

  64. interesting application by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computer hand tracking is old technology, but using it to make a functional "air guitar" is neat. Check out this paper and this video for older work in this area.

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  65. A history lesson for you all by Cerdic · · Score: 1

    While people keep making references to Bill and Ted, let us not forget about the origin.

    We can thank Joe Cocker who, back in the late 60s, gave us this wonderful instrument during one of his many drunken performances.

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  66. I don't think so... by closer2it · · Score: 1

    "But at least this method could get people interested in guitar playing if they are too intimidated to buy a real one."

    If that happen, it would be very disappointing for the wannabe guitarist after buying a guitar... it's not as easy as it seems to extract cool sounds from the electric guitar.

    Listening really gifted guitarists like Satriani can make a guy buy a guitar (like me)... not that. That seems just something for fun :)

    My opinion as a guitarist that wannabe a better guitarist.

  67. Ok.. Umm.. by JimiSpier · · Score: 0

    Can you hook it up to a Line6 PODxt Live?

    I might finally be able to teach my wife how to play guitar..

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    1. Re:Ok.. Umm.. by Thalagyrt · · Score: 1

      I love those things! Got a PODxt Live and a Variax electric myself, along with a EBMM JP6 which I play more live than in studio... The Line 6 gear is a great setup though, so damn versatile. My only gripe is that the lack of proper gain makes it nearly impossible to play tap without breaking your fingers... :(

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    2. Re:Ok.. Umm.. by JimiSpier · · Score: 0

      I just got my PODxt Live.. Its awesome, I had a GT-3 from boss that I have been using for years and finally out grew it.. I am hoping for a Variax for my birthday.. I guess I have to wait and see how generous my wife is..

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  68. Hundreds of people dying in wars every day.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....and you wanna talk about air guitar ?

    How is this a major tech story IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM ?

    "Today, it was announced that Barf Inc. invented a new way
    to fold paper. Their patent covers the whole planet and of
    course the moon and mars as the USA liberated these planets
    from gravity which held sway over them for far too many
    millions of years."

    Aria Fletcher announced in a press conference:
    'Yessir, weees is happy to blow those f*ckin PINKOS outta
    the solaaaar systeeeem."

    He promptly dropped dead.

    Ummm, what's the average age of the Slashdot herd ?
    12?

  69. Air Drums by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    All white, uncoordinated males can be seen doing this while they dance (they usually alternate with air guitar). I actually tried to post this twice while listening to my favourite Heart tunes on the headphones, but I knocked things over trying to be Neal Peart in my mind and had to reset.

    Maybe I'm Spinal Tap's next drummer!

  70. making future generations even fatter by frankcow · · Score: 1

    as we cater further to our kids' laziness, they now won't even have to expend the energy to pick up a guitar make some virtual XBox controllers, and they'll pick up nothing at all for 95% of their waking life

    1. Re:making future generations even fatter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, yes. We're depriving our children of the exercise they'd normally get by lifting air guitars. Won't someone please think of the children?

  71. EyeToy: Play2 by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

    EyeToy: Play2 for the Playstation has an air guitar game.

    And a drum game, and a boxing game, and a bunch of others.

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  72. Next.... by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 1

    Guitar Freak and Guitar Hero with Eyetoy support.

  73. Maybe not as geeky... by c_forq · · Score: 1

    But I like the Drumitar better.
    Futureman and the Drumitar

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  74. combine this with facial recognition by bugnuts · · Score: 1

    Look at the goofy face on that guy... you definitely need some facial recognition to cue sounds of hordes of screaming groupies, too.

    Maybe add an automatic air-panty-launcher....

  75. Wow, another Slashdot is biased comment by cheesygrapes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me or is all the "linux bias" way outdone by all the "they mentioned linux, it must be biased" (as if linux should be shunned and be the operating system that should not be named) or the "oh no, this is pro-linux slashdot is biased, slashdot only likes linux" and "wow, this is pro-microsoft, I can't believe I found it in slashdot because slashdot is so pro-linux" comments. The article isn't even about linux, linux is just the system the thing was made on. Would you rather them lie and say this was designed for Windows?

  76. Single char unicode by Sensei_knight · · Score: 1

    Imigine the number of new domains that would be unaccessable to most anglo users. cybersquating could reach a whole new level. If there's $$$ in it it's only a matter of time of course if the EU had a say in the net maby one day I could register the 'ü' in my name

  77. Mirrordot link for the video by rbarreira · · Score: 3, Informative
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  78. Nintendo has already done that... by MickoZ · · Score: 1

    with the U-Force, didn't they?

    1. Re:Nintendo has already done that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The u-force was not made by Nintendo, it was manufactured by a third party company in direct competition with the power glove. IIRC it didn't even have a gold seal approval.

  79. How ironic by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    The parent post is coming from a guy who has Judas Priest implied in his nickname, therefore being an appreciator of people who know the difference between strumming and a hammer on :)

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    1. Re:How ironic by JPriest · · Score: 1

      The nick is not named after Judas. BTW, it is always nice to meet other pastafarians.

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  80. no, Beach Boys didn't use a theremin by r00t · · Score: 2, Informative

    They used something unrelated, with the highly misleading name of Electrotheremin.

    It's a fairly normal keyboard, with one extra feature. There is a ring below the keys that you can slide left or right with your finger. This let you drastically adjust the tuning. The keys are played normally, with the slide ring redefining the whole lot of them as desired.

    1. Re:no, Beach Boys didn't use a theremin by muzik4machines · · Score: 0

      it's_called_"ondes_martenots"

  81. Ninjas are cooler than Bill and Ted by TubeSteak · · Score: 0
    http://www.realultimatepower.net/ninja/ninja_movie _script4.htm
    Then out of nowhere there was a small sound of a guitar wailing really really hard behind the hills. The wailing started getting louder and louder and louder. Then out of nowhere there was this one sweet ass ninja standing on top of a huge hill. Everybody was like "Woooooooooooow!" He was wearing all black and he had this jet red guitar in his hands. Then smoke smoked over the hills like trains. But the smoke was ninjas. And the pirates saw about a billion ninjas with guitars standing on top this his huge hill. And they started to wail...
    As anyone can see, Ninjas + guitars are a very lethal combination.
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  82. Don't laugh.. by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking how cool this would be at karaoke - and people do applaud for that! Virtual singers AND virtual players.. Neat!

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  83. How about something less frivolous? by mustafap · · Score: 1

    Hopefully this will ultimately lead to something useful, like being able to translate sign language. Rather than a $20 Toys-r-us gimmick :o)

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    1. Re:How about something less frivolous? by insectivorous · · Score: 1

      ...Maybe a virtual air guitar that can cure cancer?

    2. Re:How about something less frivolous? by vicgolgo13 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's exactly what we need, an angry mute flicking us off and having a computer translate.

  84. Absolutely ANCIENT news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for these guys. They've been doing this sort of thing since the late 80's, when they were one of the sensations of SIGGRAPH. (though their big musical thing was air drums rather than air guitar).

    They first did it using an Amiga 1000 with a Live! board before switching over to DOS/Winblows in the 90's.

  85. rtfa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has no one read the article? The system doesn't matter how your fingers look. It looks at the position of your hands and then makes up a lick depending on the minor pentatonic scale at that position on the neck. Since no one knows what this is, here's a link:

    http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/minor-pentatonic/i ndex.php

    There are 5 scales, and they come one after the other as you move up the neck and then start at the begining again.

  86. Air Guitar + Karaoke? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    I doubt anybody actually wants to hear what most air guitar playing sounds like. They had better keep this thing away from karaoke machines. A deadly feedback loop might form between the two, resulting in music so bad that the waves might actually cause the planet to resonate and destroy all live as we know it.

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  87. Already Exists by Cyber+Akuma · · Score: 1

    Why is this news exactly? I saw a demo of this exact same thing on the PS2 Eyetoy at Bestbuy about a month ago, I even played it.

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  88. It plays as promised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... but is hard to master.
    I tried playing it at the Heureka science fair, and the difficult thing (as with most instruments) is to manage to play the right note by adjusting the distance between the hands appropriately. The right hand is easier and it is quite intuitive to strike the notes as with a real guitar. "Glissandos" (moving the left hand along the shaft while the strings are vibrating) also worked nicely.

    This combined with continuous vocal pitch-correction would be a real hit in karaoke! ;-) /Tomas

  89. This sucks by ta+ma+de · · Score: 1

    Not the air guitar, that is cool, what sucks is the fact that I submitted this yesterday and it was rejected. What kind of slashdot editting is this?

  90. Fun, but not new by Trogre · · Score: 1

    This looks like a lot of fun (both building it and playing it), but it's been done before.

    I've had a go at one of these in the local mall and they are great input devices when calibrated correctly.

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  91. Rock Star - PS2 by writerjosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone played that PS2 game: RockStar? This air guitar immediately reminded me of the game. In the game version, you actually hold a small, toy guitar that has 5 colored buttons on the neck. The screen then scrolls toward you indicating when and which colored buttons to hit. You also "strum" the strings by flipping what looks like a fat light-switch thing on the guitar. There is also an awesome wammy-bar for those deep dives.

    Then, in the background, you can see your selected guitar hero rocking out on stage. When you do good enough, you get a super-charger jolt from the guitar gods that signals you to physically "rock" the toy guitar into the upright position. Your guitar hero on-stage then spins the guitar and really jams out which makes the crowds go wild. Sounds childish and ego-centric? Yes. Easy? No. It's actually challenging and extremely addicting if you like playing guitar at all.

    I'd like to see this new air guitar technology be integrated in some similar way like this PS2 game is.

    Rock on!

  92. Yay? by icuc22too · · Score: 1

    Now I can fulfill my destiny to become the next great rock star.

  93. for advanced air guitarists... by Donut2099 · · Score: 1

    it really starts to rip if you drool

  94. Interesting use of Webcam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find the use of an ordinary webcam quite interesting. Anybody know of similar projects where a webcam is used to track motion etc? Could this not be used for, e.g., very cheap virtual reality equipment?

    If I only were a better programmer...

  95. Get a real job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see our scientists and engineers devoting themselves to such worthy pursuits. So how is that cure for cancer coming?

  96. wait a sec by Silent_Shadow900 · · Score: 1

    couldn't sony have done this? With the eyetoy? Or is all you can do on the eyetoy is flail about.

  97. Re:Slightly funkified... by boschs_haywain · · Score: 1

    Ska, punk-funk theramin? Yeah that's right, Fishbone's got it going on!

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  98. This stuff isn't hard and it's the next revolution by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    What will happen when computers start watching people. When this stuff becomes common place, everything is going to change--possibly as big a change as the web itself.

    With a reasonable API for camera movement, some things that seem impossible will become trivial, and within a very short period of time you will have things like:

    - Log of who entered your house and when that spans years, and what they used (drawers, couches) while they were there.
    - Completely automated and safe cars that drive better than you ever could in any condition.
    - Smart key locks that not only see your face or fingerprints, but watch your body as you walk up, looking for your face, your pattern of walking and possibly even hand or facial gestures.
    - Never lose anything again, the computer could watch certain items in a room and tell you where that remote control or your cell phone is.
    - Dancer-Musicians who create music through dance. Music that is actually good. (I'd like to see this done as an art project NOW. Just put some cameras outside a building and as people step into a circle drawn on the sidewalk, music plays based on their entire body position. See what people can create--imagine dance-dance revolution on steroids.)
    - Entire entertainment walls that can be reconfigured with your hands while you sit on the couch--the entire wall being LCD panels, a camera can watch gestures and manipulate images....
    - Data entry faster than a keyboard with no hardware.
    - 4-d (moving) images of entire car trips (2 video cameras on a car, one pointing to the left, one to the right. Knit all the images together, use time/movement to act as separation.)
    - The ability to have a complete, detailed 4-d model of anyone who had ever been in your house, (including movement).
    - Unmanned gun defense with near-perfect accuracy. This could be so easy to put together that you could kill 20 armed soldiers with one gun and some good timing, or hold off an invasion with a few well-placed, camouflaged gun "mines".

    The last point scares the crap out of me, but it's one of the easiest and most likely to become important. Picture it in Iraq: Deployment takes 5 minutes, you hide a video camera on either side of the street (for accurate 3-d calculations and improved target identification), and a single gun mounted somewhere, covered by a light layer of plaster or behind painted glass, perhaps. As soon as more than 20 soldiers enter the area, the automatic gun starts firing a couple rounds, spinning within a fraction of a second, and opening fire on another target. Within 10 seconds, 20 people are dead, and the terrorists are already setting up a similar installation in the next city. If you can't afford servos with that kind of speed, mount 3 or 4 guns for the same effect. Total cost, probably less than training one terrorist, certainly less than training a soldier.

    The best part is calibration. With cameras, calibration is completely unnecessary. Simply give the system a general idea of where the cameras and guns are located and have the computer track the first shot fired. After calibrating on 1 or 2 shots, every single shot should hit it's target--without fail--with enough accuracy to hit vulnerable spots in armor.

    This is so easy that governments will probably start deploying cheap, intelligent systems within a few years. I'm sure the only reason the US doesn't use this kind of system (if it doesn't) is because it so enjoys funding it's military contractors, and the big boondoggle projects achieve that goal so well.

    This isn't stuff that's hard. All this stuff could be done today if "Hackers" had access to the right APIs--and the APIs should be there within the next couple years because of the research done by projects like this. Pretty cool over all.

  99. then there was Jean Michel Jarre by kn0tw0rk · · Score: 1

    and he used a theremin for a couple of songs during his concerts. Also used a laser harp, which needed special gloves for.

    Now what I'd do (in relation to the original article) is set it up as a air drum kit :)

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    1. Re:then there was Jean Michel Jarre by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that Radio Baton link! Doesn't look too tricky to build, especially now that I have acquired an oscilloscope.

  100. Webcam? by can56 · · Score: 1

    If anyone actually read the New Scientist article, the current system consists of a video camera connected to a computer (I'm assuming a 30 fps video camera with 640x480xN colors, which is not cheap) and a pair of brightly colored gloves. The *next* version will be compatible with a normal webcam.

  101. Re:Mismatch GuitarShredShow.com !!!! w0-0-0-t! by ne0n · · Score: 1

    hey, speaking of your pre-recorded solo bits strung together....
    (yes, the site is Flash, but it is also the only non-egregiously abusive use of Flash ever created. Enjoy!)

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  102. Hardware's no substitute for Musical Talent :-) by billstewart · · Score: 1
    There are some instruments that are really easy to play, at least for basics like chords or melodies (depending on instrument) - Drums, Mountain Dulcimer, Baritone Horn, Harmonica, Recorders and Tinwhistles, simple Piano styles. And Ukeleles are easier to play than guitars, because it's easier to chord four strings with four fingers than to chord six strings with four fingers.

    But just because you can do the finger mechanics doesn't mean you've got *musical* skillz - it just gives you more versatile ways to display your lack of talent, so the wrong notes you were trying to play at the wrong time are the ones you actually got.

    But you can still have fun with it, and often, especially in folk music, the guitar is really there as a backup for your lousy singing voice and lame lyrics, so you don't have to be all that skilled to play backup. Woodie Guthrie once said that if you're using more than three chords in a song, you're just showing off anyway, but he was so good at writing the right lyrics for his audiences that he could get away with it.

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  103. Stepping stone by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

    If anything, a more advanced version of this design could at least teach the mechanics of playing guitar. If you look at a lot of people who do air guitar, they don't have any real clue on the actual mechanics of playing. Just wiggle your fingers and miraculously the right note comes out. At least with something more advanced that teaches that the closer the fret, the higher the tone, you'd automatically be one step ahead of a lot of air guitarists, and that much closer to understanding the fundamentals when you have a real guitar in your hands.

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  104. I know someone who did it in 1977 with a PDP-8 by capilot · · Score: 1

    His name is Tom DeWitt; he's a video artist from New York. I saw the system -- which he called a Pantograph -- in operation a number of times. The person in front of the camera wore a few colored spots which the PDP-8 was able to (with some specialized hardware) determine their positions. This was decades before such systems were being routinely used for motion capture.

    The system was crude by today's standards, but Tom was actually able to give a concert with an "air cello".

    An account of that concert: http://www.experimentaltvcenter.org/history/tools/ ttool.php3?id=15

  105. Air Guitar: Linux PC with a sound card and webcam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything went fine until he dropped the PC on his foot while strumming it.

  106. Another air guitar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  107. Next Version by serutan · · Score: 1

    Air guitar that goes to Eleven.

  108. VPL DataGlove by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    I just wanted to chime in with another "this has been done before", to mention another way it was done, which spawned the image of what some consider to be the iconographic input interface for virtual reality, the dataglove.

    The VPL DataGlove grew out of a glove interface created by Tom Zimmerman in the 1980's, hooked up to an Atari computer to allow him to "play" air-guitar. A few years later he and Jaron Lanier got together to advance the device to become what is known as the VPL DataGlove. A quick search of google will yield many links, here is a representative one.

    The DataGlove (and similar input devices) helped to define the concept of what we know as "virtual reality" today, however, due to the patents on the device, we have not seen many glove implementations since then. Data gloves have remained a niche market - most methods of employing them have been explored (and further patented). Of these devices, we have seen simple contact sensor gloves, to the VPL-guided Mattel PowerGlove (for the Nintendo, but hacked to be used on other platforms as well, most notably the PC with Bernie Rohl and Dave Stampe's Rend386 and derivatives), and the Dextrous Handmaster (an articulated exo-skeleton that fitted around the hand and measured bend angles via hall-effect sensors - fairly accurate, but an absolute pain to put on and configure for each user), among others. The last of the consumer-grade gloves seem to be the P5 Virtual Controller. It seems to be based on similar technology as the Mattel PowerGlove. Same as the PowerGlove, it has been a failure in the marketplace (it can be picked up fairly cheap on Ebay and other places).

    It is debatable while such input devices fail with the consumer, but I believe that part of reason can be traced to two factors: 3D position tracking and virtual display technology. The first factor can be explained by the fact that there are very few 3D position and orientation tracking technologies out there that combine speed and accuracy with quick setup, that are not encumbered in some way by patents. Magnetic tracking systems are out - even if they could work in a home environment (which is doubtful - they are difficult to get set up properly in a lab environment), both Polhemus and Ascension have such systems locked up tight in patents - if you want a magnetic tracker, you either attempt to build it yourself (I only know of one such attempt which was mostly successful), or you go to them and spend a lot of money (prices have come down, but you are still looking at over $2000.00 for a simple two sensor system). Many other companies have gone the route of inbound or outbound camera systems with IR markers (both passive and active). These can be a pain to set up and properly track, because unlike magnetic trackers, line-of-sight is a must. Thus multiple cameras and multiple IR markers must be used and tracked to maintain state. The P5 (and others) use a scaled down version of this system. The last method used is typically ultrasonic - which was used by the Mattel PowerGlove, as well as a 3D tracking system developed by Logitech. Such a system is also line-of-sight, but it also suffers from multi-path interference and absorption issues that introduce jitter and reduce accuracy.

    Regardless of all of this, none of these systems really make sense when used to control the movement of an FPS or other avatar on a small two dimensional screen. All of these technolgies tend to be best used in an immersive environment, or in a CAVE-like setting. Unfortunately, both of these technologies - that of immersive HMDs or CAVE environments with shutter glasses - have been out of reach for most consumers, and they have their own issues which cause consumers to avo

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  109. Forget this link!! by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    Forget the link, it seems mirrordot managed to fuck the file up (or /. just fried the server before it could get all of it). Just go to the project webpage and get it there :)

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