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The Media's Crush on Apple

conq writes "BusinessWeek reports: "It's the first time in my memory that a product announcement by Steve Jobs has caused the AP to send an alert -- especially since this development was fully expected. And it says a lot about the intensity of media attention Apple generates. When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates? Clearly, the AP's editors determined this news was important enough to warrant such action."

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  1. Last week? by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words [...] Bill Gates?

    Last week after the CES keynote, during which he didn't launch any new products at all, and instead talked about the same thing he's talked about for the last three years but still hasn't shipped, and a product that came out last year.

    In contrast, Apple actually announced new product that was a signifigant shift from their previous strategy, and has a business impact beyond the doors of Apple itself.

    Which company gets an unusual amount of coverage?

    1. Re:Last week? by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's a link to that if you're interested...

    2. Re:Last week? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill Gates is the Nostradamus of our lifetime.
      In his own words he has eliminated spam, brought speech and handwriting recognition to everyday computing, and has a solid foothold in our livingroom with their useful windows media center PCs.

      Our potential truly is their passion.

      Apple on the other hand just keeps releasing products that we can do nothing else with but use them...
      OS X, Garage Band, iTunes, Spotlight...

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    3. Re:Last week? by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have no problem with the media picking this up, but what the heck is up with appledot.org?

      Apple: The Media's Crush on Apple
      IT: 'The IT Crowd' UK Sit-com
      Science: Taiwan Breeds Transgenic, Fluorescent Green Pigs
      Apple: Windows on Intel Macs - Yes or No?
      Apple: Apple Responds to iTunes Spying Allegations
      IT: Lawmakers Try to Protect Kids From Spam
      Apple: Sun and Apple Could Have Merged

      Sorry, slashdot.org. Typo.

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    4. Re:Last week? by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Macworld Expo. Much of the IT press is reporting on the only event going on this week, and Slashdot just posts links to what's out there...

    5. Re:Last week? by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have to thank Bill Gates, since his intervention 2? years back I can gratefully say that my spam rate has dropped to 1/1000th of its previous level. I'm not sure what he did, but whatever it was, it worked great!

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    6. Re:Last week? by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must be new here

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    7. Re:Last week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Which company gets an unusual amount of coverage?

      Uh, with 3% of the total installed base of computers out there, I'd say Apple wins for unusual amount of coverage.

    8. Re:Last week? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they'd been here a while they'd recall that once upon a time Apple couldn't get a single positive article on here. Even the iPod got slammed around here.
      http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/ 1816257&tid=107

      Apple releases iPod
      Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday October 23, @10:20
      from the well-thats-not-very-exciting dept.

      The BrownFury writes "At an invitation only event Apple has released their new MP3 player called the iPod. iPod is the size of a deck of cards. 2.4" wide by 4" tall by .78" thick 6.5 ounces. 5 GB HDD, 10 hr battery life, charged via FireWire. Works as a firewire drive as well. Works in conjunctions with iTunes 2. Here are Live updates". No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    9. Re:Last week? by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Aside from iTunes, which really is driven by the success of iPods, I didn't recognise anything on your list. OS/X is the latest Mac OS I think, but how many people have used it? 5% of computer users? oh yeah, only 5% of *retail* computer users...

      Yes, I'm being snarky, but a minor move by Bill Gates/Microsoft potentially has much bigger implications than a major move by Apple.

      PS The windows media centre you disparage so heavily has a 'lite' version...its called "X-Box".

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    10. Re:Last week? by VagaStorm · · Score: 1

      The X-Box is a realy great media center, but only after it has ben moded! An action mr Gates has tried hes hardest to make imposible :( Dont ask me why, it is the only reason I would ever consider bying one :p

    11. Re:Last week? by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sorry, I don't mean to troll, but that original article was closer to the truth than it seems. The iPod really is a crappy device, and they die (mostly HD failure in my experience) after, what, maybe a year of normal use. The battery has been a constant point of contention that, while it gets better with each iteration, was HORRIBLE at first.

      The iPod is popular because of its reputation of being popular, and has reached the "status symbol" level. It is a technically inferior product that sells better than competing products which are better designed/executed/priced/etc.

      Ok, I'll step down from the podium now. Thanks for your time.

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    12. Re:Last week? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Because we hate Microsoft, and we know Linux has problems on the desktop, we support Apple. We like to forget Apple used to be a much stronger force in the industry, and lost a lot of market share due to it's own corporate idiocy and poor treatment of users.

    13. Re:Last week? by pjludlow · · Score: 1

      You're right, there is something wrong! There is no story about the iPod!

    14. Re:Last week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Need help with that BSOD?

    15. Re:Last week? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Xbox 360 is supposed to have media center features though, right?

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    16. Re:Last week? by wealthychef · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You are not really trolling, but you are certainly wrong. People are buying iPods because they are very easy to use, their small size is handy, and they are very stylish, even cool. Geeky techno-gadgets don't really catch fire because they are too hard to use, unless they are the only solution to a problem. And of course, you might have noticed through the example of Windows that there are real benefits to owning very popular technology -- lots of accessories and stuff available for iPods. That's why many people choose Windows over Macintosh.

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    17. Re:Last week? by Ahnteis · · Score: 2, Informative

      "People are buying iPods because they are [baleeted!] very stylish, even cool"

      Let me fix that for you.
      Ipods aren't significantly smaller then their competition, and according to my non-geek friends they aren't significantly easier to use either.

    18. Re:Last week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Bill Gates is the Nostradamus of our lifetime.
      640K ought to be enough for anybody

    19. Re:Last week? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      well, first of all, congrats on your story submission earlier today.

      OK, so you didn't recognize Garage Band or Spotlight. Garage band allows amateur musicians and their fellow bandmates to plug in their instruments, play, sing and mix their own promo CDs for example. So if your passion is music, Apple has given you a way to realize your potential.
      MS on the other hand gives you the "Sound Recorder!!!" whooptie-do

      Spotlight is an awesome search mechanism. MS's search can't compare to it, and I don't feel comfortable installing google's search right on my desktop (though they are kings of search).

      What has MS released to help users reach their potential? XP SP2? 39 Crit updates? Firewall? Movie Maker? The laughing stock of the neighborhood..
      Though I admit this is overly generalized and has exceptions, but it seems that in MS world you can only reach your potential if you aspire to be a leet secretary or an accountant.

      Heck even Linux lets you run a web server without worrying about its security every two weeks.

      And X-Box, as someone has pointed out is a media center only if illegally modded.
      X-Box 2 is one, once you consider buying the non-core version and the HD-DVD add-on drive.
      One can buy a TIVO for half that price.

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    20. Re:Last week? by Indiana+Joe · · Score: 1

      ...
      Science: Taiwan Breeds Transgenic, Fluorescent Green Pigs
      ...

      Was this an announcement at Macworld that I missed?

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    21. Re:Last week? by arloguthrie · · Score: 4, Funny

      All I know is that I've forwarded that email from Bill Gates at least 1,200 times, and I still haven't gotten a check. Bill Gates is a dirty liar.

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    22. Re:Last week? by certel · · Score: 1

      Wasn't this also the time in which Jobs left? Only to return to completely turn around the company?

    23. Re:Last week? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yes; they're being bred for the new line of pig-leather skinned iMacs (iTreif).

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    24. Re:Last week? by drn8 · · Score: 0

      OS X: A niche OS that is as much flash as it is substance. Garage Band: What? (Google...) Oh. A mixer. Whoopee. FastTracker, anyone? iTunes: Crap that only got marketshare because it's packaged with the overpriced trendwhore magnet called iPod. Spotlight: Again, what? (Google...) An indexing search agent? That's special? I bet my Google Desktop can do a much better job.

      I like how people with valid viewpoints get modded "troll" when they disagree with the majority of /. readership. I agree with the above, but in the sake of not being modded troll here goes nothing:

      Apple computers are very nice and worth every penny, ipod is the greatest thing since sliced bread, Steve Jobs is a good person that I trust to data-mine my box, ITMS Rawks and so does their DRM, I love spending more on an albums worth of 128 aac files then an actual uncompressed 44khz 16bit cd.

      Microsoft makes a nice user-friendly OS that is both secure and stable, and their permissions scheme is just peachy, Bill Gates is a true visionary who has led microcomputing's to rise to the glorious heights it has reached today.

      RMS is a stinky communist hippie, and should be disregarded as such. I'm totally not posting this from the firefox browser in the blackbox desktop on my home built AMD64 gentoo workstation, because I know only a capitalist model and closed source can produce quality software, and only a corporate vendor can put together a decent pc.

      The above does not in any way represent my actual opinions, but when in Rome right?

    25. Re:Last week? by nytes · · Score: 1

      You can see Gate's demo of vista.

      It's really quite impressive.

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    26. Re:Last week? by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      > The iPod really is a crappy device, and they die (mostly HD failure in my experience) after, what, maybe a year of normal use.

      My experience is the opposite. Here is the skinny on everyone I know with an iPod:

      Me - photo iPod. No problems to date.
      Friend 1 - first gen (!). Worst problem is scratches to the screen.
      Friend 2 - 2nd gen. No problems to date.
      Little Sister - mini, dead hard drive, replaced with Nano. No problems to date.
      Girl Friend - mini. No problems to date.

      Sounds like a pretty good track record to me.

      jfs

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    27. Re:Last week? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Yea, with my 2nd Gen iPod that's still going, I sure can't see your point.

      Everyone I know who has bought an iPod from 1st Gen to Nano and iPod Video has had great luck with them. I have 3 right now, the 2nd Gen 20 GB, iPod Nano and a new 60 GB Video.

      Show me one that is better from a connectivity and reliability standpoint, oh and ogg support doesn't win the connectivity arguement.

    28. Re:Last week? by uranus65 · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, they are still treating their users badly. It seems like recent history that Apple was touting the G5 as the first "desktop supercomputer." Now, it may be that they are turning their backs on the people who invested in that technology for these new Intel machines...and the G5 processor or its successor might still be better.

    29. Re:Last week? by Miguelito · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that I've seen MS make the news (at least CNN-HN.. if you can call it news) in the morning plenty of times. They were on for new releases of XP, Xbox releases, etc.

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    30. Re:Last week? by why-did-I-wakeup · · Score: 1

      Sorry to point this out but Mac OS 9 was a massive mistake on the part of the kernel developers. A non-preemtive kernel therefore sketchy multithreading: if one application crashed the whoe system went down. So until OS X came out mac had nothing on systems like unix which had been doing stable multithreading since the seventies. But what do I know considering my obvious linux/unix bias? Anyway... Cheers

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    31. Re:Last week? by Niten · · Score: 1

      You're not trolling, but I have to disagree with you on your statements about the iPod's reliability. I have a third-gen, which is about three years old now. For the past three years, I have used it for at least an hour (usually between classes) most days that I go to campus. I have also used it when I go running (at least I did, until I got my shuffle). I also use it when I'm studying at the library or when I want to listen to my music in the living room without bothering my roommates. In short, this thing literally leaves its dock at least once a day.

      Yet the hard drive is still fine. And the battery, while no longer up to its original capacity, is still worth about six hours of continuous play.

      Many of my friends have third or second-gen iPods, and they have mostly had similar experiences. In fact, the only person I know whose iPod actually died is my roommate - his Mini's hard drive kicked the bucket on him while he was out for a run.

      In my opinion, the iPod is a superior MP3 player. It doesn't do Vorbis or FLAC and it has no FM tuner, but these things are a lot less important to me than the overall elegance of the solution of iPod + iTunes. For example, if I'm on campus and decide that I really like the song I'm listening to, I can use the scroll wheel to give it a five-star rating. Then, when I plug the iPod back into its dock, this rating is uploaded to iTunes, along with the number of times that song has been played and the last time at which I listened to it. Next, I can use a smart playlist to fill my shuffle with songs sorted by highest rating or how frequently I listen to them on any of my devices. If there are other systems with similar functionality out there, I am not aware of them.

      I would attribute the success of the iPod, then, to a variety of factors: Ease of use; superior design, in my opinion; reputation for reliability, at least where I am from; and good looks, which, while I couldn't care less about, are important to many people in their personal devices (and this is something Apple is frankly wise to take advantage of).

    32. Re:Last week? by Skippy_kangaroo · · Score: 1

      Science: Taiwan Breeds Transgenic, Flying Green Pigs
      Apple: Windows on Intel Macs - Yes or No?
      Science: Global Warming a product of malfunctioning heat pump in Hades


      I think you have your answer right there.

    33. Re:Last week? by npietraniec · · Score: 1

      All hard drive players suck. I have a Rio and it did the same thing... Which is why everyone wants to move to flash, but the technology isn't quite there yet for high capacity devices. I'm waiting patiently... I won't buy another hard drive based device, but there is a market and I think Apple does just as well as everyone (in that particular mp3 player aspect anyway) in giving consumers what they want with the given technology

    34. Re:Last week? by Dragon+of+the+Pants · · Score: 1

      Wow, stunning conclusion. Technology advances. Deal with it. A computer will only be state of the art for a matter of months, before somethign more powerful comes out.

    35. Re:Last week? by syzler · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, the iPod is a superior MP3 player ... it has no FM tuner, but these...

      Steve Jobs announced the iPod Radio Remote in his keynote presentation. So for $50 you can listen to FM radio on your iPod... However I though the whole point of an MP3 player is to listen to the music you like, not what the DJ likes.

    36. Re:Last week? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Impressive really. Steve jobs announces a relabeled Acer 8200 and the media goes crazy.

    37. Re:Last week? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      "Ipods aren't significantly smaller then their competition, and according to my non-geek friends they aren't significantly easier to use either."

      Let me fix that for you.

      iPods aren't significantly smaller than their competition anymore, and according to my non-geek friends, they aren't signficantly easier to use now. At the time when the iPods were released, however, they were easily a quarter the size and weight, 10x as fast, and much more usable than the competition. Now five years later (actually three years later) the competition caught up, but that three year window "cemented" Apple in the lead.

    38. Re:Last week? by provid · · Score: 0

      Great link. It is truly quite amazing to go back and read some of the comments. Wow! A user comment on the article "Raise your hand if you have iTunes ... Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ... Raise your hand if you have both ... Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ... There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod. ~LoudMusic" I guess 100 ipods a minute 24/7 just isn't enough. Let alone 39 million.

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    39. Re:Last week? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....The iPod really is a crappy device.....

      Of which 42 million have been sold, mostly to non-geeks. People vote for products with their wallets, whereas some here on /. just make disparaging noises. No man-made products are perfect, especially technological ones, but Apple though having made lemons at times, take more care in actually DESIGNING products the "just work" and also look much better than those of their competitors. At Apple they practice "Intelligent Design", whereas most businesses that make similar products, such as Dell, just "evolve" their stuff. Apple takes similar components, such as hard drives, various chips, LCD panels and other common industry components that are also available to everyone else and just does more with them than some of the others. How can the HD in competing players last any longer, since these drives are all made by the same one or two manufactureres. Sony used to and in some areas still makes very well designed good products.

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    40. Re:Last week? by xTantrum · · Score: 1
      However I though the whole point of an MP3 player is to listen to the music you like, not what the DJ likes.

      i used to think the same thing too until i came back from Oahu,hawaii from vacation just a couple days ago. EVERYWHERE i went everyone had ipods and a RAZR! everyone was lounging on the beach and kalkaua ave with them. I was stuck listenning to the local radio station fm 103.5 on a portable radio and i realised how great it would be if i had the creative M's built in FM tuner.

      when you are a true music aficianado you usally listen to your music ALOT. i have over 10,000 songs sorted by year all the way from 1993 - not counting the cd's i haven't ripped yet - and i get tired of it caused i've listened to them so much. So visiting somewhere else it's cool to listen to local stations who might have a different vibe to them, not to mention getting local info on the parties and happenings - like zansa bar's parties on kuhio ave. by the way I'd like the creative m to get a bigger hd cause i would be on it like white on rice. check out these comparisons between the M and the everybodyPOD.

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    41. Re:Last week? by vistic · · Score: 1

      That article and all its comments deserve a place in the hall of fame. Wow, that's a fun read.

    42. Re:Last week? by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

      Except that this false publicity about iPods dying, and the batteries wimping out after a week or two, is sheer nonsense. I bought an original iPod. It worked every day. Eventually, after about two years, the playing time got down to about three hours, and I'd have to charge it every day. So I did this: I went to a website, bought a battery for $40, and then installed the new one in about 15 minutes when it arrived. Back to 12 hours or more. Then I sold that, 6 months later, to buy a 4th Gen. That worked flawlessly, and continued to do so until I sold it when I bought the video iPod. Battery's just fine, thanks. And now there's a couple of companies that will replace and install the battery (after a couple of years, I bet) for $50. Some people just can't see what's good about Apple. You don't have to be a fanboy, but really--

    43. Re:Last week? by carpeicthus · · Score: 2, Informative

      An AP News Alert is different than an AP news story. The alerts go out to their member organizations as very brief statements to make sure that people are up on extremely important news, such as "The Pope is dead." That explains his surprise.

    44. Re:Last week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you RTFA, the author is talking about how the AP NewsAlert service is generally for globally important news - x has invaded Poland, prime minister of y has been asassinated, etc.

      The AP sends these when something important happens in the arena of world affairs, the sort of thing that causes CNN and networks like it to flip on their "Breaking News" graphics: A government has fallen in a coup, an election has been won, a head of state has died, or one country has invaded another.

      Unless it's a cure for cancer, any product release, in this instance, is an "unusual amount of coverage".

    45. Re:Last week? by juiceCake · · Score: 1

      Windows has a huge marketshare too. People do indeed, vote for products with their wallets. Britney Spears, I hear, has emptied a lot of wallets as well...

    46. Re:Last week? by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....Britney Spears, I hear, has emptied a lot of wallets as well.......

      She has got nothing out of my wallet. Evidently, these is a demand for what she produces however. Bill Gates got his money from willing customers, of which I am one also. MS makes crap, but they also make some good things. Each customer decides whether to exchange a certain amount of $$$ for something they need or want.

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    47. Re:Last week? by QuaZar666 · · Score: 1

      and before then they used similar phrasing on the G4, besides while the OS is ready, nothing else is, even apple doesn't have a version of Final Cut Pro, etc for the intel machines. It will be a good six months before we start seeing intel versions of Photoshop, or Avid, etc. until then the G5 is still better than the intel machines.

    48. Re:Last week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow - presumably this poster, for one, is now eating his words...



      Re:LAME? WTF?!?
      (Score:4, Insightful)
      by LoudMusic (199347) on Tuesday October 23, @01:52PM (#2467504)
      (http://www.bigassfileserver.com/)
      Raise your hand if you have iTunes ...

      Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ...

      Raise your hand if you have both ...

      Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ...

      There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.

      ~LoudMusic

    49. Re:Last week? by ejp1082 · · Score: 1

      I don't recall exactly offhand when the iPod came out in comparison to other players, but I know that Creative never lagged *that* far behind. They had the first hard drive based player on the market (the nomad, 6gb, albeit not pocket-sized by a long shot) - the iPod came before the Zen but there sure as hell wasn't a three year gap, and iRiver had HD based players in a similar timeframe. iPods were (are) slightly smaller than the competition, but always at the expense of storage space and a higher price, and their battery life always left something to be desired in comparison. "Ease of use" is in the eyes of the beholder, but they all seem about equal to me. All that Apple managed to do was make them stylish, friendly to non-geeks, and brilliantly marketed them - it had very little to do with the technical merits of the device.

    50. Re:Last week? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      "All that Apple managed to do was make them stylish, friendly to non-geeks, and brilliantly marketed them - it had very little to do with the technical merits of the device."

      You make it sound so casual, but that really was the heart of their success and "advantage". Until the iPod, MP3 players weren't easy to use to the casual consumer, which arguably means MP3 players were too hard to use for 80% of the population.

      That in itself is the technical merit of the generation; MP3 players may have well shipped unassembled in a cardboard box with solder and wire, that was how useable they were to the casual person in 2001. Even in 2005 I have inlaws who have problems using "modern" mp3 players because they think, "Oh, it's $30 cheaper than an iPod, and they're all the same anyway."

      I got the first and second gen iPods when a co-worker of mine had a 6gb Nomad Jukebox. In that year, 2001, Creative lagged tremendously. Their Nomad required two hands to use; had 11 buttons, to the iPods five. The Nomad was the size of a hefty CD player or a Mac mini, while the iPod was the size of a deck of cards.

      Creative would not release a 1.8" drive based model, the same form factor as the iPod, until 2004, three years after Apple released the iPod: See here. So for three years Apple had an undeniably smaller device; was it drastically smaller? So after 2003 Creative 'caught up' in terms of size. Was this a big advantage? It was certainly ONE advantage for three years. By the time Creative launched the Zen Touch, Apple had launched the much smaller iPod mini using the 1" microdrive.

      As for "ease of use", Apple did have the initial advantage in 2001; 11 buttons and two hands vs 5 button and one hand; this was largely erased by 2004, but again that gave Apple three years. There was one other advantage Apple had in terms of ease of use: Apple iTunes, which allowed the casual untrained user a simple way to rip, organize, manage, and store their music, with a "no button" approach to synching the iPod to the computer. Now, several years later, everyone enjoys this advantage, but for a short while everyone, including owners of Creative Nomads, could use iTunes (only available on Mac, and later ported to PC) to their advantage.

      You can argue that the window was actually two years, because Apple didn't release a Windows compatible iPod until 2002.

  2. Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Interesting
    When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates?
    Well, I'm not sure when the last time a news alert went out about Gates but he and his wife were kind of given people of the year by Time Magazine--perhaps you heard about that. I think that constitutes some affection by the media. Having your fugly mug plastered accross a magazine time and time again surely shows some media recognition.

    Michael Dell has little to do with innovation. He's a brilliant businessman but I do not think his job function entitles him to media attention like Gates or Jobs. Dell sells computers, they don't invent them or the software they run. His expertise is reliability and customer support. Definitely an important figure head in the sale of computers but not so much the invention side.

    I should point out that Gates won that probably because of all the money he and his wife donate to charities. The guy is a vaccine giving maniac no matter how much you hate his software. Oh and he is hott .
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    1. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Avohir · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...His expertise is reliability and customer support ... thank you for praising Dell, please wait while your praise is rerouted to New Delhi...

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    2. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Michael Dell has little to do with innovation.

      I beg to differ. Perhaps little innovation in PC development, but in supply-chain management? The man's a god.

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    3. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Michael Dell has little to do with innovation. Definitely an important figure head in the sale of computers but not so much the invention side.

      Go to business school, you'll get an earful of Micheal Dell because all of his innovations are in the production process, Just in Time manufacturing, mass customization, no inventory, started from a college dorm room. His invention has been on the business process side, which is a little less obvious to the public (And Bill Gates main invention was the formalization of the license).

      His expertise is reliability and customer support.

      I'm sure you're going to hear a lot of rejection of that hypothesis, and they're right :) They do a good enough job, especially compared to the white box guys, but they are hardly industry leaders. The fact they aren't focused on reliability means they get new technology out the door faster than those who do, which is OK because most of the IT industry has embraced the RAID (Redundant Array of Independant Devices) concept for high availability instead of the much harder AYEOB, All Your Eggs in One Basket, method.

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    4. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
      His expertise is reliability and customer support.

      I think his expertise is in getting it right the first time. Unlike the DIY home PC builder who boasts about how he saved $150 and gets 3% better performance than the comparable Dell box, Dell builds tens of thousands of identical computers. While the DIY guy may never figure out why his particular combination of MB, memory, graphics card, and drive freeze every 32 hours and 17 minutes, Dell can afford to spend the time to ensure that everything plays well together. This is a significantly important feature.

      For that, and support reasons (It's real easy when calling about a software problem to say, "Hey, this is a Dell. Don't tell me the problem is in my hardware."), I recommend them sometimes.

      For their lack of AMD systems, I recommend against them sometimes.

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    5. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Surt · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not to mention design. Have you seen Dell's square boxes? So square! So boxy! Fantastic!

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    6. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beg to differ. Perhaps little innovation in PC development, but in supply-chain management? The man's a god.

      I'm pretty sure that is what the grandparent meant by "important figure head in the sale of computers."

    7. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by borganha · · Score: 1

      Mine is DIY computer and it freezes in 32 hours and 18 minutes.

    8. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      More important even than hardware compatibility (that's relatively easy to assure these days as compared to six or eight years ago), Dell has a toll-free tech support line and a reliable warranty. Us hardcore DIY guys don't need either of those...we keep track of the warranties on individual parts and can support ourselves better than Dell's second-tier techs. But for Joe Blow who just needs internet access and and office suite without too much trouble, $150 extra isn't so bad when it means never having to tinker. And then there's the IT departments that REALLY don't want to build, support, and troubleshoot 1,000 PCs without any support of their own. A few years ago Dell was easily the best company for tech support. You'd be amazed how big a difference a few competent phone jockeys make in a company's performance.

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    9. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Strange, everyone I know has DIY computers, and none of them freeze. Dells don't freeze either. They just have periodic random hardware failures, forcing frequent use of their quality Indian support. I think Dell's big secret is in eliminating quality control from their manufacturing process myself, though I think Packard Bell pioneered the technique.

    10. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Flammon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Michael Dell has little to do with innovation. He's a brilliant businessman but I do not think his job function entitles him to media attention like Gates or Jobs.

      Hold your horses there big boy. Sounds like your implying that Bill Gates innovates like Steve Jobs. Let me tell you something. Bill Gates packages software like Micheal Dell packages computers. There's no more software innovation happening at Microsoft than their is hardware innovation happening at Dell. Microsoft's business is taking what other people have innovated and marketing it like they're the ones who innovated. I watched a video of some MS guys talking about RSS in Vista a few months ago and I felt like I was watching a 2 year old discovering his toes. You can do alot of cool stuff with RSS today but watch how MS puts a spin on it when Vista is released. It'll be all MS and the average consumer will watch in awe and say "Gee, those MS guys are smart cookies".

    11. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Heembo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dell sells computers, they don't invent them or the software they run. His expertise is reliability and customer support.

      In my mind, I consider what Dell has done to be *revolutionary* customer support when it comes to PC's. PC's are problematic, at the least, and Dell has kept a large fleet of my computers running, and I live way out on the island of Kauai. No other company does that. No, he hardware is common, he innovation in tech are non-existant, but making my life (and many other consumers) way less hectic at a very affordable price. Go Dell!

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    12. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interestingly, Apple is very close to surpassing Dell in market value. Right now it's Apple: $72,301,066,720, Dell: $72,912,111,560. Apple keeps going up, while Dell has been down recently. Imagine the press coverage over Apple surpassing Dell in market value.

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    13. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no kidding, especially after Michael's "Jobs should just wind down the company and distribute the assets to the stockholders" remark.

    14. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dell sells computers, they don't invent them or the software they run. His expertise is reliability and customer support.

      Dell built themselves on customer support. At one time, any Dell customer could talk to a real, English-speaking person at any time, day or night. Just like IBM in the 80s and Sony in the 90s, Dell has forgotten the one thing that made them famous. It won't be too long before Dell hits the wall. Once you expand so far that there are no more new customers and you have pissed off most of your old customers, revenue plummets hard and fast.

      Last time I used an new out-of-the-box Dell (November 2005), about 30 minutes after boot-up, IE randomly started up fullscreen asking:

      Would you like to see Dell's latest offers!?!?!?
      o YES!!!
      o no...I want to continue what I was doing.

      I really want to meet the tard that thinks interrupting your customers' work to spam them will make them happy. I also want to meet the tard manager that lets tards like that touch the product.

    15. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by mrbooze · · Score: 1

      Worth mentioning again, in the latest Consumer Reports reliability survey, Dell Desktops ranker higher than eMachines, IBM, Compaq, HP, and Gateway. Being in third place behind Apple and Sony isn't exactly the worst reliability in the industry. Their laptops don't fare as well, but still better than Compaq and Gateway.

      (Based on more than 85,000 desktop computers purchased new between 2001 and 2005, according to responses to our 2005 Annual Questionnaire. Data were standardized to eliminate differences linked to age and use.)

      In terms of Service, a lot of people have complaints about Dell service. I don't, but I'm lucky enough to get to use Dell Premiere support which is much better than the general consumer support.

      When CR ranked companies on their tech support (again based on surveys of consumers), Dell came in below Apple, IBM, and Toshiba, but above Gateway, HP, Sony, and Compaq for laptops. For desktops, it was Apple, Dell, Gateway, Sony, Compaq, HP. Those were based on responses in the 4-6,000 range though, between 2004 and mid-2005, so the sample size wasn't as high.

      Regardless, for all Dell's apparent horrible reputation, they still seem to be better than several of their competitors.

    16. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think that [Bill & Melinda Gates being named People of the Year] constitutes some affection by the media.

      Only if you believe that old imaginary phrase "As the editors of Time Magazine go, so goes the entire media industry." One story covering the Gateses (and the ensuing stories about the story) don't really carry the same weight of newsworthiness as an Associated Press NewsAlert.

      [Michael Dell's] expertise is reliability and customer support.

      You'd think some of that expertise would rub off on the desktop computer business he heads. Dell is so well known for its cheap components and poor support practices that it earned the nickname 'Dell Hell'.

    17. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      I hope you are not saying that Dell invented Just in Time manufacturing.

      Tangentially, do you know what a close-coupled process is?

    18. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by pboulang · · Score: 1
      . . .do you know what a close-coupled process is?
      ooh ooh, isn't that like doggy-style?
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    19. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dells are very popular at my workplace right now. The PC repair tech just checked in his TWELTH dell in the last three days. I thought he was going to throw the last one he was checking in across the room when I said "duuuude, you're gettin' a DELL!"

      They break early, often, and require significant time to fix. All around, an excellent machine. (for us) They also have this neat little trick of using a custom PS that has the standard items in the back in NONstandard locations, preventing you from installing anything short of a Dell PS in the case. (without the use of tin snips) Not surprising that three of those dozen had bad power supplies.

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    20. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by EarthlingN · · Score: 1

      That's funny.

      When I was in business school, "Micheal Dell" was called "Toyota".

    21. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      He may have innovative business methods, but generally speaking, from the public or consumer's point of view, he is not innovative. The consumers interest lies in the product and services he offers, not in how profitable or efficient his business is.

    22. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      "Go to business school, you'll get an earful of Micheal Dell because all of his innovations are in the production process, Just in Time manufacturing, mass customization, no inventory, started from a college dorm room."

      Dell just copied the techniques of his roommate, the campus dope dealer.

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    23. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by Hyperx_Man · · Score: 1

      Yes - but market cap can actually have a lot to do with extensive media coverage. Is Apple stock over valued? And Dell stock priced right? Market cap is really no gauge. You need to look at P/E - for example Apple stock is 84 a share. Dell is 30. Yet their Earnings per share is very close to each other. That right there tells you that Apple could be overvalued.

    24. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by dangitman · · Score: 1
      but in supply-chain management? The man's a god.

      So, how's that working out for him lately?

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    25. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by bean123456789 · · Score: 1

      the much harder AYEOB, All Your Eggs in One Basket, method.

      in my best homer voice:
      mmmmm.... hard boiled egg computing

    26. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      The consumers interest lies in the product and services he offers, not in how profitable or efficient his business is.

      But the consumer is interested in getting exactly the computer they wanted quickly and at a very low cost. They don't care how it gets done, but they do care that it gets done. If it weren't for Dell driving the industry to lower prices, computers would cost hundreds more, the market would be smaller (higher prices = smaller market), etc. Sure, someone would eventually push costs lower, but the fact is Dell is consistently leading the push, and when the market slows down and competitors start thinking of raising costs to recover profitability, Dell announces price cuts to drive competitors out of business. Consumers ARE interested.

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    27. Re:Well, Gates WAS a "Person of the Year" by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      Consumers don't just look at the price. And as far as the average consumer is concerned, Dell is just another computer, they don't know that Dell is the one creating low prices. Lowering prices is pretty much a standard thing, awayway, if it wasn't Dell, it would be someone else.

      Basicly, as far as the consumer is concerned, low prices are not innovative product features.

  3. the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ it by QuesarVII · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course not.. the fact that the majority of media workers use apples does NOT make them biased.. of course not...

  4. Uh.... no by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Clearly, the AP's editors determined this news was important enough to warrant such action."

    Clearly the news media is dominated by people who use Apple computers. This is a well-known fact, and I actually recall reading an article a while back about the fact that Apple gets a disproportionate amount of computer press when the vast majority of the computer-using population doesn't care about Apple, much less actually owns one.

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    1. Re:Uh.... no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be implying that the media is out of touch with mainstream America. Surely you jest. What's next, claiming a Frappucino latte is not the preferred drink of blue-collar workers?

    2. Re:Uh.... no by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That would be lovely, but they don't get a disproportionate amount of press... Just a disporportionate amount of press that people notice. There are dozens of times as many of stories about Bill Gates and Microsoft, but they say the same old boring crap all the time, so we've learned to ignore them.

      You didn't see BusinessWeek bitching after the AP issued all sorts of brown nosing crap about Bill last week after CES. In fact, it seems that they didn't even notice all those stories, they just stated in this article that they don't even remember them...

      the vast majority of the computer-using population doesn't care about Apple, much less actually owns one.

      The revenue from 14 million iPods last quarter is giving the revenue from Microsoft's gaming division the finger right now. Care to rethink that statement?

    3. Re:Uh.... no by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1
      The revenue from 14 million iPods last quarter is giving the revenue from Microsoft's gaming division the finger right now. Care to rethink that statement?

      We're not talking about Apple consumer electronics, we're talking about Apple computers. Different beasts. That's like saying because Sony Playstations are popular, people will automatically care about Sony MP3 players.

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    4. Re:Uh.... no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What's next, claiming a Frappucino latte is not the preferred drink of blue-collar workers?
      No, "The Cool-Aid" is the preferred drink of blue-collar workers
    5. Re:Uh.... no by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We're not talking about Apple consumer electronics, we're talking about Apple computers.

      Really? I thought we were just talking about press coverage of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates? Both Vista and Xbox got a boatload of coverage last week as reporters hung on Bill Gates' every word, and Vista doesn't even exist yet.

    6. Re:Uh.... no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THAT IS WHY U R TEH REALITY MASTER OMG LOL ROFL GG!@!!!111!!111!

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    7. Re:Uh.... no by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 0
      Clearly the news media is dominated by people who use Apple computers. This is a well-known fact, and I actually recall reading an article a while back about the fact that Apple gets a disproportionate amount of computer press when the vast majority of the computer-using population doesn't care about Apple, much less actually owns one.

      I'd say the same thing about a liberal point of view. So is it true that:

      Apples == Liberals?

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    8. Re:Uh.... no by kerrle · · Score: 1

      Maybe elsewhere that's true, but I worked in the newsroom of a major newspaper for 5 years, and outside the Art Department I can count the Macs I saw on one hand.

    9. Re:Uh.... no by Widowwolf · · Score: 1

      Its "Kool-aid" ...Get it right or i will have to roundhouse kikc you back to childhood!

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    10. Re:Uh.... no by iceperson · · Score: 1

      the difference: vista is relevant to the 90%+ of the world who uses MS products.

    11. Re:Uh.... no by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      the difference is that 80% of that 90% will have to buy a new machine to use Vista. In buying a new machine there is the option, and apple knows this, of going with a Macintosh.

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    12. Re:Uh.... no by brandondash · · Score: 1

      the difference: vista is relevant to the 90%+ of the world who uses MS products. Not today it isn't. Not tomorrow either. Not for several years. It will only be relevant when MS stops supporting XP. Do you think 2k users cared one lick about XP before the announcement that 2k support was being discontinued?

    13. Re:Uh.... no by Clock+Nova · · Score: 1

      Except that, judging by the coverage that the Bush administration has been getting from the press the last few years, I'd say that media=liberal is no longer true, if it ever was.

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    14. Re:Uh.... no by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "... the vast majority of the computer-using population doesn't care about Apple..."

      Hardly. Former Apple CEO Gil Amelio wrote a book chronicling his experiences in the Bad Old Days of Apple. One important part that stuck with me is when he asked the editor of a major national newspaper (I believe it was the NYT) why they always ran stories about Apple as major, headline news.

      His answer? He had conclusive data that every time an Apple headline ran, sales for that issue spiked by 5%.

    15. Re:Uh.... no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think 2k users cared one lick about XP before the announcement that 2k support was being discontinued?

      And we still don't. I just make sure that I'm behind three levels of firewall, don't browse the web, don't use IM, and I sure don't get any email on it.

    16. Re:Uh.... no by frgough · · Score: 1

      If you're more conservative than the MSM, they're liberal. If you're as liberal as the MSM, they're balanced. If you're more liberal than the MSM, they're controlled by right-wingers.

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    17. Re:Uh.... no by RackinFrackin · · Score: 1

      Nope. Here's an interesting article on that subject.

      http://www.lowendmac.com/misc/01/0618.html

    18. Re:Uh.... no by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Its called brand recognition. Some people do care. Besides, its not the same thing. I don't remember going into a Sony store, but i could go into an apple store and buy an iPod. If I did, I'd be surrounded by macs! In which case, I might get curious what the other side has. If you sit outside an apple store for a few minutes, you'll see someone come out with an iBook, iMac or some other computer. Then watch a comparable dell booth and you see people walking away shaking their heads. Why? They find out they can't take a dell home right then. Several of those people then walk into the apple store and come out with a mac. See the issue?

      I think the problem is that many people don't know apple makes the iPod including iPod owners! I've talked to people on campus at my university and many don't realize they are using an apple product. I had an ipod mini owner flip it over and freak out because there indeed was an apple on the back! You'd think the box was obvious enough, but not for people on my campus. Of course there was that brief HP branded fiasco. Most newer ipod ads show the Apple logo and iPod + iTunes to knock it into people its an apple product.

      What i'm interested to see is what happens to the idiots. My first pc was bought by my aunt. I went with her and all she said to the salesman was I want pentium! (1995 pre win95 launch) She just kept repeating that! Intel had brand recognition. She asked a doctor at the hospital she worked at and all she got out of it was Pentium. She didn't even know what windows was then. Today she has a windows desktop I built for her in 1999 running on an old amd chip, a windows handheld and a newer dell laptop with xp. She knows windows now and doesn't care about pentium because i convinced her amd = pentium so it was ok :)

      Now if i got her back on the pro intel thing she might buy a mac. intel ceo says buy mac.. she will comply.

      10% of my family runs on macs and most of the windows users have 5 year old computers. I expect some new computer purchases and guess what i'll recommend. Hell if they want windows, i'll load it for them too.

    19. Re:Uh.... no by pboulang · · Score: 1

      There was a SONY store at the mall when I was christmas shopping.. I walked in. Everything was behind glass. You couldn't play/touch/feel anything interesting. It was exactly like shopping online, except in 3D.

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    20. Re:Uh.... no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the mainstream media claim that the mainstream media is fair & balanced, or that it even has a conservative/right wing bias. Therefore, the mainstream media is decidedly liberal/left wing using your judgement.

  5. When by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates?

    When was the last time either of those guys released an interesting, innovative product?

    1. Re:When by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When was the last time either of those guys released an interesting, innovative product?

      What exactly is innovative about an identical looking laptop with a different, somewhat faster processor? That's like putting a different engine in your Ford.

      Or another spin on the iPod? How long until iPod Pico arrives?

      And was anyone actually surprised that they both actually arrived at this show?

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    2. Re:When by SchrodingersRoot · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I don't think an iMac is new, interesting, or innovative, even if it's got an Intel chip...especially considering, as is part of this guy's point, that we knew this was happening six months before.
      I think using Intel chips is stupid when there's AMD, but I'm not sure that makes it news worthy as a NewsAlert...

    3. Re:When by TinyManCan · · Score: 1

      Exactly which AMD processor would you place in the iMac? Without having to increase its size or volume to account for the cooling required? I could see maybe a single Athalon 64, but the X2 is clearly out. I don't think a single Athalon is going to beat the new Core Duo.

    4. Re:When by Daytona955i · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What exactly is innovative about an identical looking laptop with a different, somewhat faster processor? That's like putting a different engine in your Ford.

      Yes, you're right, if Ford put a Dodge engine in their trucks, it would make a lot of news. You say different like it's nothing. Apple had been praising the powerpc chip over the intel chip for what seems like forever. It's not like the chip is slightly different in that it's cache is arranged in a different way, it would be like George Bush becoming a Muslim.

    5. Re:When by ErikZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where in the world did you hear that the X2s are running hot?

      A friend of mine bought a 4800+ and he can't make it go above 35c no matter what he does. Plain fan cooling.

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    6. Re:When by SchrodingersRoot · · Score: 1

      Well, the Turion64/Taylor Dual Core is slated to compete with the Yonah, from what I understand.
      And I'm not just talking the iMac market. I'm talking long-haul, market wide.

      I'm by no means a processor expert, especially of late. I'm guess I'm what you might call an AMD fanboy. 'Cause....ya know.....AMD is good.
      Mobile computing platforms are really the only modern arena, in my opinion, that Intel has actually competed with AMD, and that may change.
      Celeron vs. Duron?
      Xeon vs. Opteron?
      P4 vs. Athlon?
      And then there's also history, with the K6s... ::shrug::

    7. Re:When by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      The fact it's the best laptop available right now? The fact it's the first Core Duo based portable in the world? The fact it's the first with a magnetically attached power cord? The fact it's only an inch thick? And it's got a webcam built in to the screen? And on and on and on. You just can't beat the value

      If you honestly think it's not a great ironic story that Apple is now putting out Intel-based Macs, you haven't been involved with computers for very long.

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    8. Re:When by heeeraldo · · Score: 2, Informative

      >The fact it's the best laptop available right now? subjective call. it's not the best laptop for me because the screen is too big for my needs/wants. >The fact it's the first Core Duo based portable in the world? It's not, actually. A number were revealed at CES, and covered on Engadget. (you'll want to scroll down) >The fact it's the first with a magnetically attached power cord? I'll give you this one; that's pretty damn cool. >The fact it's only an inch thick? Also cool, but other manufacturers are also doing it. Both Sony and IBM have thinner ones (with numerous compromises). Being an inch thick with all the features it brings is new. >And it's got a webcam built in to the screen? Acer, Sony and Asus have been doing this one before, too.

    9. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First dual-core laptop???? Webcam builtin???? You kidding right? Check Sony Laptops (for builtin webcam...) Check Gateway's dual-core laptop release date..

      It's hardly a innovation..another version of laptop with some better features..Everybody does that...

    10. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, you had to reference 2 computers. one with the webcam, and one with the dual core. what about a dual core laptop WITH a built in webcam? and that's with the magsafe power cord.

    11. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, Nom du Keyboard criticized the media attention given to the Toyota Prius. "What exactly is innovative about a small sedan with a different, somewhat more economical engine? That's like putting a different CPU in your Apple," he scoffed.

    12. Re:When by vmardian · · Score: 1

      Name any other product that has all of the following features

      backlit keyboard
      magnetic power connector
      magnetic dissapearing latch
      slot load dvd drive
      built in camera
      1" thick
      sudden motion sensor

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    13. Re:When by humina · · Score: 1
      saying "it would be like George Bush becoming a Muslim" is a bit overboard.

      In reality it would be like George Bush giving Iraq reconstruction contracts to Bechtel over Haliburton. Haliburton has always had the inside track on government contracts. Apple's Intel switch is not exactly the huge shift that your example portrays.

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    14. Re:When by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

      Ford does: Ford Commercial trucks. That 5.9L I-6 Cummins Turbo Diesel engine is commonly found in Dodge pickups. Granted that's not a dodge engine in a ford pickup, but still. Hmm, perhaps slashdot users shouldn't make car analogies; though my picking at this is about as bad as a grammar nazi.

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  6. Crush on Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't that make applesause? Mmm, yum.

  7. Welcome to MacWorld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just the other day we had a little uproar about BB articles. Now the next issue is the about front page artciles are about Macs. Come on, there are fan boys about macs but how many times do we need to hear about people saying that the media is fascinated with macs?

  8. Crush? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

    Are you implying that Arik Hesseldahl (the article's author) want's to get in Steve Job's pants?

    My God, man, is Slashdot no better than high school?

    1. Re:Crush? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My God, man, is Slashdot no better than high school?

      You must be new here.

  9. Regarding Apples .... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is rather off-topic, but has anyone tried Sour Apple Crush Soda? It's awesome :)

    Anyway, to bring the post on-topic, I'm excited about the new hardware, but I can see how the media coverage of apple over the last little while is quite reminiscient of Slashdot's coverage of Google.

    All praise, no raze. Or something. Basically, Apple is the Golden Delicious of the consumer tech companies right now. Eventually something will happen to change that, but for the forseeable future it will remain stable as the 'darling child' it currently is.

    1. Re:Regarding Apples .... by kidgenius · · Score: 1

      Do they even make Crush soda anymore? I have not been able to find Grape Crush in forever.

    2. Re:Regarding Apples .... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      I see Grape, Orange, and Cream Soda all the time in the grocery store here.

      7-Eleven seems to have the Sour Apple kind. I wish I could buy a case of cans of it, but I can't find any :(

      and, uh, er, macbook pro for the win! or something. Like, totally, yeah.

  10. Old News by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    JOhn C Dvorak wrote an article in PC Magazine about this back in October.

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    1. Re:Old News by thefinite · · Score: 1

      ...which is a sure sign that the viewpoint is entirely wrong-headed. All of you people agreeing with this agree with John C. Dvorak. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

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    2. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we care what John C. Dvorak says why?

  11. Steve Jobs is a dream boat.. by tont0r · · Score: 2, Funny

    and his tears cure cancer.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs is a dream boat.. by databyss · · Score: 1

      No way dude... that's totally Chuck Norris.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs is a dream boat.. by Spytap · · Score: 1

      and his tears cure cnacer
      But can he Roundhouse kick?

    3. Re:Steve Jobs is a dream boat.. by Spytap · · Score: 1

      "and his tears cure cnacer
      But can he Roundhouse kick?"

      Aparently my brain is still suffering some Chuck Norris-related side-effects...such as overexposure ;)

    4. Re:Steve Jobs is a dream boat.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked someone within a thousand feet of you and the resultant shockwave has affected your brain? :-)

  12. RDF Check by lpangelrob · · Score: 4, Funny
    Steve Jobs: What can possibly explain the rapidly growing strength of my Reality Distortion Field?

    Neo: Hmm. Upgrades.

    1. Re:RDF Check by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      Where oh where are my mod points when I need them...

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  13. I think the bias is warranted... by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the bias is warranted. I mean, how many OSes do you know that can interface with and take down an alien ship's computer using a virus?

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    1. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by aardwolf64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      For the two of you out there that haven't seen it, he's talking about a scene from Independence Day.

    2. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by karmatic · · Score: 5, Funny

      True. With Apple, you have to install the virus. With a Windows PC, it comes preloaded.

    3. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      Not to mention its prevalence amongst both the vampire and vampire killer markets. Ever watch Blade III?

    4. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by blinder · · Score: 1

      i don't wanna intrude... nor am i being a picky bastard... and also i thought that movie was pretty ridiculous... but didn't they interface with the communication satelite's computer? and implant the virus in the satelite? which then, because the ships used the satelite's comm, the virus was implanted that way?

      oh sure, that doesn't explain how the virus would actually effect an alien computer... meh... oh who cares!

    5. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by inertialmatrix · · Score: 1

      I call Karma Whore on you. We don't need you to point out not so subtle movie references to a not so obscure 10 year old sc-fi flick that grossed more than 800 mil worldwide. This is slashdot for pete's sake - We get it. Maybe you should go around pointing out the references to the Matrix along with your handy dandy IMDb link. You know, just in case no one here knows who "Neo" is referring to.
      Thanks for being so informative.

      Sorry, maybe I'm just having a bad day, but come on.

      Sheesh.

    6. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      IIRC they were inside the alien ship at the time. IT makes sense to assume that they were using the ship's communications system to talk to the mothership, and the laptop was interfaced to the ship. They never showed the ethernet to alien-net gateway unit, because it wouldn't mean shit to anyone.

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    7. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Motion passes.

    8. Re:I think the bias is warranted... by Phroon · · Score: 1

      "The power to save the world."

  14. Well, by thermostat42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't the slashdot editors answer this one? Why do you have half of the front page filled with apple stories?

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    1. Re:Well, by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can't the slashdot editors answer this one? Why do you have half of the front page filled with apple stories?

      Because Apple announced a bunch of new products and many users want to know about them and discuss them. I mean what nerd is not interested in intel macs on a site peopled by computer geeks?

    2. Re:Well, by BushCheney08 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because MacWorld is going on right now? If major announcements about new products and corporate strategies get made at LinuxWorld, there are a high amount of Linux-related articles. Go figure...

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    3. Re:Well, by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because Google hasn't done so much as fart (though you'd see it on the front page if they did) since Friday.

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    4. Re:Well, by greysky · · Score: 1

      Well, it could have something to do with a small apple conferece that a few people reportedly attended this week. Or maybe it's a conspiracy between scuttlemonkey, beatles-beatles and Dick Cheney.

    5. Re:Well, by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because you have the apple section enabled in your user profile.

    6. Re:Well, by Andrewkov · · Score: 1
      You beat me to it! ;-)

      Interestingly, the front page of Slashdot currently features 4 stories about Apple, and 0 about Google. Quite the turn of events!

    7. Re:Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the comments that get posted, it's clear that Apple kit and software is popular with Slashdot readers (I don't see it myself, but then I drive a Skoda rather than an Audi...).

      It's hardly surprising that lots of Apple stories get posted. If I was really that worried about reading about Apple yet again I'd choose not to.

    8. Re:Well, by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Troll
      Me! Although I consider myself a geek.

      Who would give a fuck about intel-based mac laptops except an apple fanboy? They're not the only dual-processor laptops around, and I would prefer to go AMD than intel. Eventually OSX will be hacked to run on other x86-based laptops, so arguably even software compatibility is not a reason to buy one.

      I would be excited if they had gone AMD, which would have been cheaper and faster. They didn't. I don't care.

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    9. Re:Well, by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Who would give a fuck about intel-based mac laptops except an apple fanboy?

      All those people who are either curious about macs and would like to try them, with the option of going back to Windows for mainstream applications or all those people like me who use a handful of OS's daily and would finally like one portable that can run all the apps I need.

      Eventually OSX will be hacked to run on other x86-based laptops, so arguably even software compatibility is not a reason to buy one.

      Yeah, I'm sure that will work really well. For some of us computers are tools. I don't want to waste my time with some hacked version of an OS. I want one box that does all I need and has good support and service.

      I would be excited if they had gone AMD, which would have been cheaper and faster. They didn't. I don't care.

      AMD is not there for low power. They just don't have good portable chips right now.

    10. Re:Well, by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Now, intel may have brought the power requirements down considerably, but last time I checked, the power consumption of a Pentium M plus chipset was higher than a non-mobile Athlon 64 plus chipset. The power consumption on the Hammer processors looks higher than the intel ones, but then you have to consider that the memory controller is built into Hammer, and intel has it in the chipset.

      I haven't done the research but I suspect the Mobile Athlon 64 is pretty competitive with the intel offerings when compared on this basis.

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    11. Re:Well, by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Depending upon the clock speed, Intel seems to be between 15% and 60% better for power consumption in real world applications. That is a lot when you're looking at a laptop. Right now The intel duo uses less power when pegged than the best available AMD while idle. Maybe AMD will catch up. AMD is doing really well for server/desktop chips especially for price/power but are behind for laptops. Maybe Apple will use AMD processors in future. Right now, it looks like they made the right choice to me.

  15. It was Steve Jobs by KrisCowboy · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates and Dell together can't sum up to the personality of Steve Jobs. You don't get to be the IT industry's No. 1 Agenda Setter for nothing.

    This particular announcement from Jobs might change the face of PC Industry (I hope it does). The only reason for Mac not running on 95% of world PCs is the different processor. Let's see if Redmond feels any pressure.

    1. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason for Mac not running on 95% of world PCs is the different processor.

      I feel like I'm Quinn Mallory, and I've ended up in the world where green means "STOP."

    2. Re:It was Steve Jobs by SchrodingersRoot · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The only reason for Mac not running on 95% of world PCs is the different processor.

      You mean it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Apple is the one and only manufacturer of Apples, wouldn't license clones, and costs a lot of money, in stark contrast to the PC world?

      Well, hot damn. I should get rid of my Linux and Windows boxen right away, then!

    3. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the second reason is price...apple is just too expensive.

    4. Re:It was Steve Jobs by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The only reason for Mac not running on 95% of world PCs is the different processor.

      Now that is just plain loopy.

      It isn't the processor that gives Microsoft ninety-five percent of the market. It is a twenty-five year presence on the home and office desktop. It is the $600 Dell home-delivered with DVD burner snd flat-panel monitor that competes with a headless MacMini.

    5. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      Competes in what way? Most security vulnerabilities announced in a month?

      Does the Dell come with iLife?

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    6. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I get a $500 Dell PC with XP Pro (the Windows equivalent of OS X), a bundle of media creation and management software, a small form factor, dedicated video (non-shared memory), office software, Quicken, and several games?

    7. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      It isn't the processor that gives Microsoft ninety-five percent of the market. It is a twenty-five year presence on the home and office desktop. It is the $600 Dell home-delivered with DVD burner snd flat-panel monitor that competes with a headless MacMini.

      That is more like one of the things that keeps Microsoft at 95%. What got them there was a series of wily business decisions and the fact that Windows became the de facto corporate standard OS for office drones which in turn secured it a large share of the home PC market (people buy the same computers for the home what they use at work and use the software they can steal at work). Microsoft's tireless efforts to make sure as many schools as possible were kitted out with their OS probably had something to do with it as well. Another factor is that one of their two remaining serious competitors for the desktop and workstation market, Linux, is still to immature to compete with them for that market. The other one, MacOS, has always been limited to Apple hardware while Windows was always available to any PC manufacturer willing to pay so you might say that MacOS, at least today, does not even try to compete with Windows for dominance. Finally it must be admitted that Windows market share also has something to do with it along with their corporate Office solutions like Exchange and the Office suite which are not bad products and have a set of features that no single competitor has ever been able to completely reproduce and effectively market.

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    8. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From Dell, the internet, and friends with CDs.

      Sure, if you want to look at strictly legal purchasing, the Mac is probably a better deal, but when you want to talk about man-on-the-street, that cheap fucker is going to look for the cheapest thing he can get that will do what he wants. Software purchasing is not even on his mind... hell, he's possibly not even aware that people pay for software.

    9. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why piracy is Microsoft's best friend. However, I'd prefer to have a legal PC.

    10. Re:It was Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Where can I get a $500 Dell PC with XP Pro (the Windows equivalent of OS X),

      Most home PC buyers don't need the added features that XP Pro adds over XP Home. I guess most home Mac buyers don't need PCI slots, two optical bays, 7200rpm hard drives, and a modern CPU.

      ...a bundle of media creation and management software, a small form factor, dedicated video (non-shared memory), office software, Quicken, and several games?

      Every PC sold with a DVD burner comes with media creation software. Microsoft Works Suite is a $69 option that includes MS Word, MS Works, MS Money (Quicken), Digital Image Standard (iPhoto), Encarta Standard, and Streets & Trips Essentials.

      If you're calling AppleWorks or iWork (30-day trial) "office software," then you should be fine with Windows XP Home edition. AppleWorks is, at best, "home productivity software" that is matched by the cheap version of MS Works (not "Works Suite") and other bundled software.

      Most users won't think Nanosaur and Marble Blast (the "several" games) add significant value. Integrated GMA 900 video (DirectX 9 compatible) worked great with the Apple Developer Kit machines and is more than enough for the vast majority of $500 PC buyers.

      As for the small form factor, the buyer with $500 can choose between the size-related limitations of the Mac mini (slow CPU, slow hard drive, limited expansion) and the unattractive size (microATX tower) of the Dell. If Apple offered a $500 micro tower with the cheapest G5 CPU, I bet it would outsell the Mac mini by a very large margin.

    11. Re:It was Steve Jobs by westlake · · Score: 1
      people buy the same computers for the home what they use at work and use the software they can steal at work)

      The home is not the office. That segment of the market took its own direction when iD and Sierra demonstrated you could play console-quality games on the IBM and AOL began to introduce the mass consumer market to on-line services.

    12. Re: It was Steve Jobs by embrown · · Score: 1

      The only reason for Mac not running on 95% of world PCs is the different processor.

      Actually, it has more to do with Apple not licensing their operating system in the early 80s. Apple did not want its operating system on anything but its hardware. Microsoft took advantage of this and sold its software to all the hardware companies that were essentially turned aside by Apple.

  16. Uhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates?

    I can't speak about Michael Dell but, wasn't Gates and company generating news alerts all of last week about the Windows Meta File(WFM) exploit? Also, didn't Bill Gates generate all sorts of new alerts when, spoke at CES and announced Microsoft's new products?

    The fact of the matter is that old Stevo gets a fair bit of attention due to his flamboyant nature but all of the tech heavyweights get far too much press. The media, Slashdoty included, have turned into their personal marketing machines.

    1. Re:Uhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what would be wMF not wfm. Just.. yeah..

  17. Infectious Media Crush! by garcia · · Score: 0

    Half the fun in covering Apple is covering the coverage of Apple. The argument has been made that we in the press are a little nuts about Apple. It's a fact.

    So basically, you're writing about other people writing about Apple because you couldn't find anything else to write about? Were you moved by subliminal messages due to the NewsAlert?

    So now, I'm commenting about another person writing about someone writing about someone else writing about Apple. All for no reason!

    The Crush is infectious!

    1. Re:Infectious Media Crush! by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

      I want to play!

      1) Ok, whatever you just said was pointless.
      2) Aha, but if it's so pointless, why am I taking the time to comment on it?

      Now I'm writing about myself for writing about you commenting about someone else writing about someone else writing about someone else writing about Apple!

      Now... what I have done is so clearly ridiculous that someone must write to point that out.

    2. Re:Infectious Media Crush! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so continues the Slashdot Shuffle!

      1) Ok, whatever you just said was pointless.
      2) Now I'll google it and add some pointless link.
      3) Aha, but if it's so pointless, why am I taking the time to link it?
      4) ^_^
      5) KARMA!

  18. It comes down to Jobs by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Love him or hate him, Steve Jobs has cultivated a media persona that is the envy of many CEOs. He is the master of manipulating the media for his companies benefit. He is effectively the head saleman at Apple. He sets the tone for all the marketing that is done. Neither Gates nor Dell has the charisma to pull that off.

    The Apple brand, while always considered hip and cool, has exploded in over all popularity due to the iPod. That is why this years Macworld has dominated the headlines. Jobs has been very careful to maintain that hip and cool vibe with respect to Apple. It has served them well in the past, and is paying off nicely now.

    1. Re:It comes down to Jobs by IAAP · · Score: 2, Interesting
      When I was growing up, I wanted to be just like Steve J. He created an industry with Wozniak all by themselves. Yeah, there was the Altair, but it was the Apple gang who made an industry and a mass market for the things.

      I still have this fascination for the man to this day, probably because he has this image as someone who does it his way, breaks the rules, and makes a shit load of money doing it.

    2. Re:It comes down to Jobs by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1

      Isn't the job of the CEO to be head salesman? If it isn't sack him, and get the replacement to rewrite the job spec.

    3. Re:It comes down to Jobs by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what a CEO *should* be, IMO.

    4. Re:It comes down to Jobs by humina · · Score: 1
      What rules is he breaking? You make it sound like Steve Jobs is some sort of rebel. He is definitely not. Apple keeps it's image fresh through massive amounts of advertising. Huge amounts of it.

      You say Steve "does it his way". I say he's stubborn and rarely admits mistakes. I really don't understand some people's fascination with the guy. He started a company, made a lot of money, left, and then came back to make even more money. wheee. What an earth shaker.

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    5. Re:It comes down to Jobs by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      I still have this fascination for the man to this day

      Me too, but it's because he was so damn sexy in his long commercial for NeXT Step. I'm not kidding.

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    6. Re:It comes down to Jobs by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Apple keeps it's image fresh through massive amounts of advertising. Huge amounts of it. Not really. Apple spend less on advertising than many companies of its size. In fact, Apple are historically known for their lack of advertising. When was the last time you saw an ad for a Mac on TV?

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  19. Re:Yeah, the AP is a lot different the Slashdot by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 2, Funny

    At Slashdot, anytime Apple farts it makes the main page.

    By the looks of it, Apple ate at Taco Bell last night.

  20. Apple doesnt suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When was the last time dell or microsoft done anything but suck? Dell releases more crappy laptops, microsoft announces another crappier version of Windows will be available in the distant future... People who like Apple products REALLY like Apple products. They sold ~100 ipods per minute last quarter. I don't think their PR dept. is solely responsible for all of the exposure, it is the fact that they are releasing products that people are excited about, sometimes before anyone expects it.

  21. Wait a minute... by eclectro · · Score: 3, Funny


    I thought it was Linus that floated one inch above the ground.

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    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Jay+Random+the+Other · · Score: 5, Funny

      Quite right.

      Linus floats one inch above the ground.

      Steve appears to float one inch above the ground, but that's an illusion caused by the RDF.

      Bill stays at ground level, but the ground shrinks one inch away to avoid touching him.

      Any more silly questions?

    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, it's Fenchurch.

    3. Re:Wait a minute... by fobbman · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that *reaching for paper towel to clean monitor screen of Pepsi and corn chip particulates*.

    4. Re:Wait a minute... by Milton+Waddams · · Score: 1

      Your post should be modded 100000000000 Insightful! I just figured out what RDF stands for! I've been reading this for the past few days and I thought that people were referencing to this RDF.

  22. Haters by Essef · · Score: 1

    ...Silicon Valley bedfellows.

    Don't you people juuudge Apple. They've got to get while the gettin's good.

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  23. I think I can understand it by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple's fascination by the media has to do with 3 things:

    1. Dominance in entertainment (graphic artists, movie makers, etc). So when most journalists who interact with their geeky movie making counterparts, odds are they're going to see a Mac, no matter what they may be using. So Apple news has a direct impact on these people.

    2. Steve Jobs has charisma. You look at the interviews with Bill Gates, or Ellison, or McNealy, and I'm sorry, but these guys are just not photogenic. They hardly sound interesting, and they talk about boring stuff. (More on that in a moment.) But at least Jobs - and the drama of his life, the "rags to riches" story, is at least interesting. Even with his mistakes, at least he makes them *big* and bold.

    3. Most technology news is boring. Routers? Boring. Enterprise management? To the usual person, boring. New computer that lets you make movies? Well, that's kind of interesting! Music? That's something people are interested in, not "We can get 10,000 people to use a server to access a database!". My wife gets music - she could care less about using LDAP calls to Active Directory.

    The rest of it - the fascination the tech industry has with Apple - is because usually their the first ones to do things in an interesting way. Not all of the ideas are really unique - like the iPod, or cameras on a computer. But they put it on with a style that few companies save Sony perhaps can match, so it feels like it's innovative - and sometimes, the way that Apple does it, it is.

    As the article mentions, will this translate into bigger sales? MS dominated thanks to their IBM deal and focusing on business, while Jobs focused on the home. Gates won that part of the war. But now the war is moving into the entertainment business, where Microsoft keeps pushing their product but making slow headway while Apple is embraced by the same media who is fascinated with them.

    Eh - so who knows about the future. I know I'll probably pick up a Macbook Pro sometime in the future and try it out, probably put a Windows partition or just use Cedaga for OS X whenever that arises. But I'm sure the fascination with Apple will continue as long as Jobs continues to be interesting.

    Of course, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

    1. Re:I think I can understand it by pilkul · · Score: 1
      1. Dominance in entertainment (graphic artists, movie makers, etc). So when most journalists who interact with their geeky movie making counterparts, odds are they're going to see a Mac, no matter what they may be using.

      Yeah, I've noticed TV commercials involving mouse cursors often have the black Mac cursor instead of the white Windows one. A little strange considering most people will be more familiar with a white cursor. I've wondered whether they used the black cursor because they lived entirely in Mac-land and didn't know better, or as a subtle plug.

    2. Re:I think I can understand it by azpenguin · · Score: 1

      Notice in the comics section of the newspaper - almost every time you see a computer in a comic strip, it's a Mac.

    3. Re:I think I can understand it by greggman · · Score: 1

      > graphic artists, movie makers, etc

      Graphic artist maybe, movie makers no. PCs out number Macs at least 19 to 1 in professional movie creation and effects creation.

    4. Re:I think I can understand it by David+Gerard · · Score: 1
      Hence all the films you see featuring Linux.

      (Apple gets in the films through assiduous product placement.)

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  24. Rock Star by 19061969 · · Score: 1

    I remember Jef Raskin saying that Steve Jobs always wanted to be a rock star more than anything (which he also said explained Jobs' move into media "licensing", i.e., iTunes). I guess Jobs' is not far off it now with all this attention. I don't dislike Stevie J. by any means, but then I've never seen his "live" gig either. Maybe it's different from the recordings? (tongue in cheek for the last sentence)

    But I wonder how long the media love-in will last. The press has a nasty way of building people up and then dragging them down once there's nothing else to write about. Fame is a difficult thing to have and never entirely under the control of the famous person. Hopefully Steve will continue to make the headlines, at least until I can catch his concert at MacWorld one day and see what the fuss is about.

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  25. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by triplecoil · · Score: 1
    "...the fact that the majority of media workers use apples..."


    I don't know which "media workers" you have been hanging around, but the two magazines I have worked for and the almost all of newspapers I have freelanced for over the past 5+ years have been dominated by Windows boxes.

  26. Wedding Bells? by BrockH01 · · Score: 1
    When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates?
    When they got engaged?
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  27. No "Intel Inside"? by IAAP · · Score: 5, Insightful
    FTFA: There are no "Intel Inside" logos on the new Macs, save for marks on the outer packaging for which Apple isn't being paid. A slick, new TV ad will promote the new Apple-Intel collaboration. But if Apple is leaving money on the table, wouldn't shareholders want some pointed questions asked about that?

    It's all about branding my boy! Branding! Also, it leaves room for Apple to put AMD chips or anything else they want. They still can do that with the label on, you say. Ah, Apple is Apple. That's the only brand that Jobs wants you to see. And, I think there may be a time in the future where the end consumer will not know what the CPU is. It could be anything. Who cares? You're buying an Apple and that's all that matters. Do you care what the chips are in your monitor, TV, iPod, or your router? I don't. As long as I get something that works.

    1. Re:No "Intel Inside"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      intel dropped the "intel inside" campaign, so it only makes sense that apple doesn't use it. read that on a little news site called slashdot

  28. Important enough? by thaerin · · Score: 1

    Clearly, the AP's editors determined this news was important enough to warrant such action.

    Personally I think Apple and Microsoft have secretely joined themselves at the hip. As such, the editors were told to send out the alert or elese 'ol Stevie would Fucking Kill(TM) them.

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  29. Apple is a marketing company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is not a technology company. Steve Jobs runs the same schtick Martha Stewert or Steven Speilberg do: it doesn't matter what they're selling (usually its overpriced junk), their name will carry the product to profitability.

    (And let's not forget about the vociferous, unapologetic Apple fans).

  30. Erudite prose writes itself by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Half the fun in covering Apple is covering the coverage of Apple. The argument has been made that we in the press are a little nuts about Apple. It's a fact. The highs and lows of Jobs & Co. are so dramatic that the erudite prose practically writes itself. And I can't help but think something is wrong with that.

    The other half of the fun is getting the erudite prose to write itself, so in reality this guy doesn't even have to write anything. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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  31. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by pootypeople · · Score: 1

    Really, that's kind of an overstatement. Many newsrooms use Macs but most publishing software has ports for PCs. The last newsroom I worked in used all PCs--they'd switched from Macs a year before I got there. Not only that, but there's this thing called "objectivity" that most reporters want to show they have. Apple made a huge shift moving to Intel and has now entered into a strange place in business. They make a Windows-compatible (at least Vista-compatible) PC that runs their own OS. While I doubt the majority of Mac buyers will be dual-booting their machines, it is now entirely possible. THAT is a news story because no such computer has really existed before.
    That, and Steve puts on a good show. Bill Gates didn't put on half as good a show at CES.

  32. Media hyping themselves again. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    So the era of Apple computers bearing microprocessors from Intel started at the time the Associated press issues a "NewsAlert". Not when a contract was signed, not when an announcement was made, but when the self-important media does something. I think they're long overdue for some sort of soul-searching or something to re-evaluate their proper role in society.

  33. On /. ? Never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the top of my screen there's five little icons about the stories currently on the /. front page. Three of these five are about Apple. I'm waiting for next week's Google run and the usual "do we talk too much about Google?" stories.

    Mod story down.

  34. Not the media by JabrTheHut · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Forget the media. Why the sudden slashdot fascination with Apple?

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    1. Re:Not the media by Steve+Fuller · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here - Welcome! We've been fascinated with Apple for a long time.

  35. XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe I am wrong.

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    1. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by Kohath · · Score: 0

      XBox 360

      Sequel products are rarely considered very innovative.

      Dell PowerVault ML6000

      A modular tape library, no matter how innovative, is only interesting to a very narrow audience.

    2. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by Reverend528 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Sequel products are rarely considered very innovative.

      So, ignoring "sequel" products, what has Apple released? The personal computer, the ipod, the one-button mouse, and the compatibility-challenged UNIX. Is that really so impressive?

    3. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by skyman8081 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the Dell 3007WFP would have been a better example for Dell.

      As for the Xbox 360, if you have ever sat down with one, you would know that it does have a lot of marked improvements to it. Mostly little things that a lot of people overlook, but having them there just makes things a lot better. Such as cross-game settings, and voice chat over live that is agnostic to whatever game you are playing.

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    4. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by Kohath · · Score: 0

      Is that really so impressive?

      Yes.

      You forgot GUIs, Laser printers. Apple didn't invent these, but they were the first to successfully market them to consumers.

      There's also iTunes Music Store. I'm sure there are others as well.

    5. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Yeah too bad the features that are a step up with the 360 should have been in the previous model (no one else remebers the promise of updates to the Xbox like that?). I like the 360 in all, but it's by no means breakthrough. Just an evolution in gameing and barely at that. As for Dell's 3007WFP the underlieing hardware is mostly the same as Apples. It just uses an uglier caseing.

    6. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by iceperson · · Score: 1

      so you're saying the intel mac isn't a sequel product to every other mac? to the average person there are MANY more differences in an xbox 360 and xbox than the old mac and the new.

    7. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by Reverend528 · · Score: 1
      You forgot GUIs, Laser printers. Apple didn't invent these...

      Coincidentally, they were both invented by Xerox.

    8. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      X-Box 360 missed its sales goal. Meanwhile, iPods sold 4 million more than most industry predictions (14 million!), and iPods are now part of pop culture. Is there any surprise Apple gets the press coverage?

      I don't consider seeing sweat on a basketball player an innovation for consoles. That's the kind of graphics-obsessed crap that's destroying gaming. Nintendo is doing something different, and just wait--they'll be getting tons of press coverage too when they release their system.

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    9. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by bjohnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Who were just *bleeping* lucky that they were a little company when they started, because the Xerox of 1978 couldn't have figured out that selling water to a thirsty man is good business.

      The sheer amount of stuff Xerox invented, then pissed away, is staggering.

      The inventor of the laser printer nearly got fired for even suggesting the idea. He was kicked out of the company's prestigious NY R&D facilities, exiled to Palo Alto with all those damned hippies at PARC, and given virtually no support.

      In the end they let HP go on to dominate the printer industry.

      They gave away the GUI to Apple for a song (all the stock Xerox got in return for the GUI was sold a month or so before Apple's stock price doubled.)

      Bob Metcalfe invented ethernet there, they let him have the invention, and so begat 3Com.

      They damned near gave away the copier business to various other competitors though sheer incompetence.

      It's stunning Xerox is still around as a company.

    10. Re:XBox 360 and Dell PowerVault ML6000? by feijai · · Score: 1
      So, ignoring "sequel" products, what has Apple released?

      Of the top of my head:

      1. The first viable mass-produced personal computer.
      2. The first use of sub-pixel rendering in a computer.
      3. The first portable computer standard with an LCD screen (the //c).
      4. The first GUI in a portable computer.
      5. Icons representing objects.
      6. Self-reparing windows.
      7. Pull-down Menus.
      8. Color GUIs.
      9. Use of 3.5" floppy disks.
      10. The first computer which uses unicode (Newton).
      11. The first laser printer.
      12. The first PDA.
      13. Viable handwriting recognition (Rosetta).
      14. Multimedia in almost all of its forms (Quicktime).
      15. The physical design of portable computers we now know and love.
      16. A PC fast enough to be banned for export.
      17. The first use of USB in a computer.
      18. Firewire.
      19. The first use of SCSI in a computer.
      20. Inexpensive networking.
      21. Standalone networked printers.
      22. The myriad of crap that Apple's done in OS X.

      And let us not forget what NeXT did.

      1. Usable UNIX.
      2. A production OS with threads.
      3. Email with fonts, attachments, and multimedia features.
      4. Display PostScript (yes, *NeXT* did that, not Adobe)
      5. A PC with a digital signal processor.
      6. A viable, fast, consistent OO development environment throughout the operating system.
      7. First use of magnetic-optical drives (the predecessor of the CD-RW).
      8. On-computer rendering for laser printers.
      9. VLSI in a PC.
      10. Surface-mounting in a PC board.
      11. A freakin' magnesium cube.
      12. A GUI with a 3D chiseled look.

      That enough for you?

  36. Michael Dell by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If Michael Dell wants a high-priority press release, I offer him this one for free:

    Dell announces new systems built using AMD processors. Declares that customers should have a choice of the best systems available at the best prices available with full Dell support.

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    1. Re:Michael Dell by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Don't get people started about... "Where is the AMD option?"

      Yes, where?

      Look to HP, they have both AMD 64 and Intel options. Just checked today since I had no clue for x86 prices as a G5 user myself. OK, lets skip this offtopic part.

      The "image game" is so good that you ask to Michael Dell about AMD support while Apple designs new stuff from strach without any word of AMD.

      I bet the monopoly case lawyers of AMD are really following this media frenzy.

      If we give up PPC for common desktop, I wished to have at least AMD option available.

    2. Re:Michael Dell by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Apple is not into providing "options". They generally would either use AMD or not, but they don't have lots and lots of product lines some that would use AMD and others that don't.

    3. Re:Michael Dell by tribentwrks · · Score: 1

      Dell now has 90 day warranties on some of their products - actual laptops that cost more than $1000 are now protected for a full 90 days. You can choose to pay for a longer warranty, so make sure you read the small print.

  37. Slate Podcast-Episode on this matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There ist quite a good podcast-episode from Slate over at http://media2.washingtonpost.com/media/slate/Podca sts/Slate_05101401.mp3

    Check it out, it's worth the while.

    Or in other words: LtTFA ;-)

  38. That's because the MEDIA uses APPLE computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  39. It's the mojo by MillenneumMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only does Steve Jobs have a dynamic personality, but he KNOWS he does and can promote himself and his company accordingly. On top of that, Apple is the true innovator in the industry -- they produce must-have products, and those products almost unfailingly work extremely well.

    By comparison, Bill's personality doesn't have the dynamic, charismatic element that Steve has. Bill certainly has the intellect, the will, and the drive, but he just comes across differently than Steve in a public setting.

    It's like comparing Scorcese to Bruckheimer. Critics love Scorcese more and everyone will agree that Scorcese makes a superior product, but Bruckheimer is the one with the blockbuster hits.

    1. Re:It's the mojo by humina · · Score: 1
      "Not only does Steve Jobs have a dynamic personality, but he KNOWS he does and can promote himself and his company accordingly. On top of that, Apple is the true innovator in the industry -- they produce must-have products, and those products almost unfailingly work extremely well."

      I'm going to venture a guess here: You own a mac. I'm basing my guess on your use of the phrase "unfailingly work" which is an obvious mac users phase and not at all upon the spewing fountain of unquestioning praise that you blindly heap upon apple. You can always spot a mac user from that phrase. It's a dead giveaway.

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    2. Re:It's the mojo by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Of course it's a dead giveaway - because Mac users have computers that work reliably. Who else is going to say that? A PC user is not going to be able to make that statement seriously.

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  40. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by mfifer · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it's that a LOT of people are tired of how difficult it can be to set up Linux or how impossible it is to manage (keep virus/spyware/exploit-free) Windows...

    OS X hits a sweet spot for a LOT of people, and the reasonably robust hardware makes for an overall solid widget (no pun intended).

    Many might suggest Apple's package is the best computing experience around (right now) and that's what drives the hype.

    Outside from enthusiasts (who are found in ANY niche), who the hell gives a darn what's inside a box, or what the label is? People just wanna send email, make toast, watch TV, etc...

  41. Simple... by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rightly or wrongly, most people see the future in Apple products. Microsoft's slogan is (was?) "Where do you want to go today?" and for a lot of people that's "wherever Apple takes us". Apple's the company that *tries* things. And, the Cube notwithstanding, they have been pretty much on the mark. I'm not saying they invent everything, mp3 players were around before the iPod, but they were the ones who made its appeal universal. OSX is clearly standing on the shoulders of giants, but Apple was able to take it just that bit further that I could give my folks a Mac and walk away without worrying about whether they'd be able to use it.

    Compare this to Dell, whose mantra is "as cheap as possible" or Microsoft, whose mantra changes from day to day.

    To be fair, both Dell and Microsoft have problems that Apple would probably love to have (massive volume). But since Apple doesn't have said problems, they're more free to do whatever they want, and what they want is to sell more of their own stuff which looks farther afield from the rest of the industry.

    1. Re:Simple... by TeamSPAM · · Score: 1

      The Cube is an interesting example and I agree that it is generally considered a failure. When the cube came out my wife's Performa was on it's last legs and we were thinking about an upgrade. The cube was given serious consideration, but the price compared to a regular PowerMac was a better buy to me. If the cube was the same or $100 less than a comparible PowerMac, I would have bought one for her. They tried to price it like it was a portable, when it's just a stripped down desktop. There are some price points even Apple's cool factor won't cover.

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    2. Re:Simple... by Funakoshi · · Score: 1

      Well I don't doubt that Apple would like more volume, they are not a low cost provider, they are a differentiated provider. Basic business strategy says that they are attempting (and succeding) to sell their product at a premium because it has certain features (read: sustainable competitive advantage) that the competitors do not. Dell is becoming a low cost provider and Microsoft has (for all intents and purposes) a monopoly and thus can effectively do what they want (which is why they do).

      I think all three (Jobs, Dell and Gates) are realistically just three of the most interesting business stories of the computer "era". They've all done great things in business by attacking the market in different ways.

    3. Re:Simple... by Animats · · Score: 1
      Microsoft, whose mantra changes from day to day.

      Microsoft's mission statement was "A computer on every desk, running Microsoft software".

      Mission accomplished.

      They've been struggling with what to do since they achieved that goal, but that's a problem of success. Here's their rather vague current mission statement.

    4. Re:Simple... by ClamIAm · · Score: 1
      Apple's the company that *tries* things. And, the Cube notwithstanding ...

      Part of "trying" things means that a few ideas will flop. This means you don't need to make exceptions for things like the Cube, and also, the Cube is not the only Apple product to wither and die. But the reason (I believe) Apple is still around is that they learn from their mistakes (most of the time) while still trying new things. The Lisa didn't do very well, so they made the Macintosh. The Cube flopped, then they made the Mac Mini. And so on and so forth.

    5. Re:Simple... by donnz · · Score: 1

      Maybe its urban legend, but I remember it as:

      A PC on every desk."

      I still think that is one of the best mission statements ever, more for what it didn't say, and have even ripped it off (ever so slightly).

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    6. Re:Simple... by Pfhreak · · Score: 1

      ...Apple's the company that *tries* things. And, the Cube notwithstanding, they have been pretty much on the mark....

      Not just the Cube: the Lisa, iPod photo, Apple ///, Mac TV, Copland...

      Don't get me wrong, I agree with you almost totally on this. Apple's just had it's fair share of flops, above and beyond the Cube, but that's only natural when you're actually out there trying things.

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  42. ironic... by heatdeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that the 4th apple story in the last 24 hours is entitled The Media's Crush on Apple. =P

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    1. Re:ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to go, you managed to use the word 'ironic' incorrectly in both the traditional and the 'new' sense of the word. Your teachers must be so proud! You seem to think ironic means 'self-referencing', it doesn't.

    2. Re:ironic... by sharpestmarble · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's the fifth

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    3. Re:ironic... by SIGFPE · · Score: 1

      Don't you think it is ironic? I'd say it fitted in with the notion of situational irony as described on Wikipedia. The story is about the media hype around Apple and there is a general implication on /. that hype is a bad thing and that geeks, and hence /., is above that sort of thing. The irony lies in the fact that despite such pretensions, /. is subject to hype just as much as any other media outlet. If the inclusion was a simple reporting of fact, without any kind of hint of judgement, then you'd be right that this was mere self-reference.

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    4. Re:ironic... by dangitman · · Score: 1
      No, there's nothing ironic about it. Slashdot is a part of the media. Therefore, one would expect that if there were a story about "The Media's Crush on Apple" - then there would be plenty of media stories about Apple.

      It would be ironic if there were no slashdot stories about Apple, but then slashdot unexpectedly ran a story about the media's love affair with Apple.

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    5. Re:ironic... by dangitman · · Score: 1
      P.S:

      Where do you get the idea that slashdot and geeks in general are "above hype"? In my experience, geeks and slashdot are way more prone to hype and fads than the general public. Geekiness is a form of obsession in itself - and obsession naturally makes one prone to hype. Slashdot is about technology news - which is the most hype-laden form of news that exists.

      The idea that slashdot would somehow be above hype is a totally alien idea to me. In my mind, slashdot is the epicentre of hype over nothing. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    6. Re:ironic... by SIGFPE · · Score: 1

      Where do you get the idea that slashdot and geeks in general are "above hype"?

      But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that geeks perceive themselves to be above the herd and so less susceptible to hype. You just have to read the many comments written on /. about hype to see that. So I see irony in the fact that they are just as prone to hype as any other group of people.
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  43. I wish, I wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I call bull. Reuters, for example, easily serveral thousand times more important for business people (the ones who buy computers in bulk and not a few here and there) than AP, is strictly Microsoft only. I know this because I work there and we are fscking dying to be able to get rid of IE and install Firefox, but no can do. It's IE or get shot. Bloomberg, also more important than AP in the real world, runs on Windows, too.

    There are, of course, people at work who use Macs at home, just are there people who use Linux. But there is not great Apple conspiracy at work here, I'm sorry to say. Apple just puts on a better show than the others. And, in contrast to Microsoft, when they say the will bring out a new product, they actually do. Still waiting for Vista here.

  44. Reality Alert! by nagora · · Score: 1
    The alert is probably because most journalists seeing Intel-hardware prices this high would otherwise assume they've drunk themselves into a coma over "lunch" and woken in the 1980's.

    TWW

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    1. Re:Reality Alert! by javaxman · · Score: 4, Informative
      The alert is probably because most journalists seeing Intel-hardware prices this high would otherwise assume they've drunk themselves into a coma over "lunch" and woken in the 1980's.

      Are you saying this Dell Inspiron is priced too high? Because it looks somewhat comprable to the specs of the MacBook, except that it includes much less software ( nothing at all like iLife, for example ), no Bluetooth, and that $1999 price doesn't give you a DVD-R drive even. I mean, you can quibble about the details, Apple's ATI X1600 vs Dell's Invidia 7800, etc, but... they look like comprable offerings at... the *exact* same price!

      Did I check that right? I can order either a Dell top-of-the-line notebook, or an Apple top-of-the-line notebook, and they cost EXACTLY the same amount ? Damn, now what do I do?!?

    2. Re:Reality Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Damn, now what do I do?!?

      Wait and see if Apple's 17" model remains at $1999 before you draw hasty conclusions?

    3. Re:Reality Alert! by Selly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to be picky but you're comparing the 1.83MHz Inspiron to the 1.67MHz MacBook, so it's not an even comparison: a more proper comparison is to compare the same size notebooks: $2499 for the 1.83MHz MacBook Pro 15.4" Screen $2173 for an equivalent Inspirion 17" Screen (Adding a DVD-R drive, Bluetooth and upgradeing to a 100MB HD) Of course the Dell still lacks the Apple software suite.

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    4. Re:Reality Alert! by javaxman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, what I meant to compare was the 1.83Ghz Inspiron to the 1.83Ghz MacBook.

      I just kinda screwed up and gave the lower-spec Inspiron page... it looks like you can't really get the 'full specs' page for the higher-end Inspiron on it's own. Very much to Dell's credit, probably ( though I know some like their notebooks smaller, and MacBook is smaller ), it has the larger screen size in fully-decked-out-mode. But it is also actually more expensive, by over $190, and I'm not sure everyone would agree that the larger screen and 4 more USB ports are worth that, especially if you factor in the OS X/iLife difference...

      But my point is this: as much as many of us think of it as expensive, it's not. It's *exactly* comparable to a similar laptop from Dell. It's time for folks like the original poster on this thread to wake up and realize that Apple is simply re-branding Intel hardware like everyone else, and surprise, surprise, charging the same mark-ups on that hardware as everyone else.

      BTW, I'm not overly fanatic about Apple *hardware*, although I do think it's above-average; I'd be very happy for someone to point out a Core Duo laptop with all the stuff the MacBook has for less. It's just that I saw the OP's claim, noticed that it lacked anything to back it up, and decided to check Dell's website for Core Duo laptops... and did not find anything that made the MacBook look really overpriced. Really, I'm a bit shocked I found that to be the case... I thought for sure the Dell would be $200 cheaper, not $200 more expensive.

      What's really interesting to me is that both Dell and Apple have exactly one laptop using the Core Duo processors ( the Inspiron and MacBook, respectively ), and that they're priced almost identically in two different configurations ( $1999 and well, almost identically : $2690/$2499 )... the only difficulty in comparing the laptops really is that the Dell has a larger screen, doesn't come with DVD+-R in the $1999 version, uses only the 1.8Ghz speed, and... who needs six USB ports on their laptop, what's that all about??

      In the end, the truth is, comparing 1.8Ghz Core Duo laptops from Apple and Dell... the DELL is more expensive, even though it gives you less software! All that you can say in Dell's defense is they give you a larger screen ( and a heavier laptop ) and more USB ports... am I missing something, or are those the differences ?

    5. Re:Reality Alert! by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      How good is the LCD in the Dell? Does it have a backlit keyboard? Built in camera? Handy power connector that is less prone to damaged? And you dismiss the software as if it's not a big feature. OS X is half (if not most) of the reason to get a Mac.

    6. Re:Reality Alert! by javaxman · · Score: 1
      How good is the LCD in the Dell? Does it have a backlit keyboard? Built in camera? Handy power connector that is less prone to damaged? And you dismiss the software as if it's not a big feature. OS X is half (if not most) of the reason to get a Mac.

      Did your reply get attached to the wrong post? Because I absolutely agree with every statement you made.

      The software is a huge feature- OS X is *the* reason to use a Macintosh, IMHO. With OS X and iLife, you're talking about at least $225 worth of software there, and I hadn't even thought of the built-in camera, that's a big deal. The backlit keyboard and magnetic-latch power connector are just icing on the cake, but they're really cool icing, definitely a better couple of features than 4 USB ports that will probably never be used.

      Really, my comparison was minimal and I was trying to be kind to the Wintel crowd while simply pointing out the fact that Apple's laptop is very competitively priced... setting the stage for guys like you to say "actually, the Apple laptop is looking like the better deal even with a smaller screen because...".

  45. MODS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, not troll!!!

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  46. Um... by blake3737 · · Score: 0

    When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates?

    I dunno about that, but have you SEEEN steve ballmer's dance to "get on your feet"? You can see it here

    YEAAAAHHHHH.... Howard Dean has a long lost relative.

  47. its marketing by asv108 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Media Relations, PR, understanding the value of secrecy before a product launch. The reason why Apple releasing a new laptop is news across the country, its because nobody outside of Apple has a good idea as to what they will release. When most manufactures have a new product coming out, the news sites know about it months in advance.

    Even non-apple users are interested in what Apple announces, because their products tend to set industry trends from time to time.

    While it was noteworthy that Apple showed their first Intel power products. Overall, I don't think these new announcements were that impressive. All of the big wintel manufactures announced duo products last week at CES. There are really no unique features with these new items from Apple.

    While Apple is gaining a lot with the Intel switch, it is losing a lot of its uniqueness in terms of hardware. Then again, most people are purchasing Apple products for the software features of OSX, not CPU.

  48. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by cosmo7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course not.. the fact that the majority of media workers use apples does NOT make them biased.. of course not...

    Well, it cuts both ways. I remember back in the early 90s reading over the shoulder of a sub at PC Format magazine (one of the more entertaining UK titles). He spent a few paragraphs dissing Marathon as a loser game and Bungie as an inept developer for 'something called the Macintosh', which he claimed he had never heard of, despite the fact that he was typing all of this on a Quadra 900.

  49. Not that surprising... by mustafap · · Score: 1

    >When is the last time a NewsAlert went out based on the words of Michael Dell or Bill Gates?

    Well as this is an event by Apple that could seriously affect those two, it is rather important, isn't it? This isn't just an new 8GB nano we are talking about here!

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  50. Re:Trial begins for 5 Democratic workers by StupidHelpDeskGuy · · Score: 1

    And this is relevant to the current discussion in what way?

  51. Re:It was Steve Jobs -- Over-the-Top -1 by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    This particular announcement from Jobs might change the face of PC Industry

    Mod Parent OVER-THE-TOP -1.

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  52. Re:Trial begins for 5 Democratic workers by OakDragon · · Score: 1

    Sorry, what do I know? I'm just a Troll!

  53. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the fact that the majority of media workers use apples does NOT make them biased

    Yes, just like the fact that the majority of them pay taxes makes them biased and unable to give opinions about taxes, or went to college and can't give opinions about the illiterate. The fact that I don't commit genocide makes me biased and unable to fairly judge Milosevic (or even spell his name).

  54. Actually... by theheff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does "the media" entail /. ? Just wondering... because I just saw 5 Apple-related stories on the front page.

  55. It's not an Apple story. by RomulusNR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, I guess it is an Apple story from the perspective that Steve Jobs made the announcement, and it is Apple hardware and software being showcased.

    But the real star of the story is the Intel chip, who has broken through the Apple-Motorola-IBM blue wall of the PowerPC.

    Intel breaking into the Apple market is a bigger story than Apple bowing to Intel market pressure.

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  56. I thin you mean... by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

    Don't you mean the new 8 pound iPod?

    I have a very good inside source on this one.

  57. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by GigG · · Score: 1

    They make a Windows-compatible (at least Vista-compatible) PC that runs their own OS. While I doubt the majority of Mac buyers will be dual-booting their machines, it is now entirely possible. THAT is a news story because no such computer has really existed before.

    Does it exist now? I looked around on the Apple site and can find no claim that the computer will be dual bootable or for that matter capable of booting any version of Windows. I know that the pre-release versions of OSX for intel were able to be loaded and even dual booted on current intel machines but do we know that the Apple hardware will be able to run Windows Vista? That is without a lot of hacking that the average joe isn't capable of?

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  58. Re:What am I missing? by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other than being technologically interesting (but no more so than going from the 68XXX to the PowerPC) what's new?

    Quite honestly, I think that just the new power connector alone was worth the press. It certainly was worth the press if you consider how much press the detachable cables from the original Xbox controllers got a few years back. What's the last thing Dell has added to a notebook computer that wasn't a 'Me Too' feature? IBM and Apple are the only innovators in the notebook market space, and they deserve the press more than Dell or Microsoft.

  59. Pipe down, Microsoft gets plenty of media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every two days I see "Microsoft releases patch".

  60. esp the Sun story by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Story - Sun and Apple might have merged, but didn't. What's next for news? South African scientist could have developed AIDS vaccine! Bill Gates had opportunity to be nice to Jamaican nun! SCO could have won their lawsuit! The RIAA could have sued another file-sharer!

  61. But that wasn't Mac OS... by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

    ...that was Movie OS[tm].

    Only Movie OS has a networking stack and client libraries for alien protocols built-in -- and it runs AOL, too! (Machine: Impossible edition only.) Accept no substitute!

    P.S. Yes, that was an Apple PowerBook 5300 (in both movies), and no, we didn't get to see it catch on fire. Too bad -- I'm sure ILM could have done some very impressive work with it.

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    1. Re:But that wasn't Mac OS... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
      "...that was Movie OS[tm]."

      haha yeah, makes me wonder, although it's a bit off topic, why do you see Mac OS in movies, but never ever ever ever Windows? Everytime you see a computer screen on TV, two possibilities : it's running Mac OS (example, Independance Day, Blade III, Sex & The City) or it's some fake dark-blueish GUI that wouldn't even work and that makes blip-blip's. And there's some many of these fake GUI's, I wonder how big is the GUI-making industry in Hollywood.

      Maybe I could get a job in it?

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    2. Re:But that wasn't Mac OS... by ejp1082 · · Score: 1

      haha yeah, makes me wonder, although it's a bit off topic, why do you see Mac OS in movies, but never ever ever ever Windows?

      Marketing. Apple pays for product placement.

    3. Re:But that wasn't Mac OS... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      yeah I heard that a couple of times before, but um... I think someone proved that wrong.. not sure, maybe not.

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  62. Thank you, keep talking, thank you! by SIGFPE · · Score: 1

    As long as you keep the buzz alive my stocks are just going to go up and up...

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    1. Re:Thank you, keep talking, thank you! by TheDoctorWho · · Score: 1

      Still not buying Apple products though.

      http://www.smashmyipod.com/

  63. Newsworthy? by Widowwolf · · Score: 1

    Ok a lot of people are bitching that Billy boy and Mikey are getting in teh news also. RTFA!!!! when they say news alerts, they mean front page live stuff like when a bomb goes off or a hurricane hits. We are not talking about the cover of time, or 4 pages deep on tech webistes. We are talking website admins getting off thier arses and scrambling to post this to thier front page first so they can get everyone there. Its like TV stations running "Special news reports" right in the middle of a touchdown drive in the middle of the superbowl. Yes Mike and Bill are getting press, nothing to the point of Apple though.

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  64. What Many Slashdotters Fail To Realize by the0ther · · Score: 1

    Sexy matters more than anything else in the media world. Apple is sexy. Unlike a geek who still lives in his mother's basement.

    1. Re:What Many Slashdotters Fail To Realize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many Slashdotters? Are you blind or something? On Slashdot, Steve is God and Apple can do NO wrong.

      GO ahead. Just try to mention something other than the iPod as an MP3 player here and see what happens.

  65. I hate to say it...... by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because I am not much of an apple fanboy, and saying this makes me feel dirty -- however, they usually seem to deliver pretty well lately on the hype they are generating. Micro$oft has a tendancy of the "cry wolf" syndrome or vaporware, or delivering less than what was hyped. Apple seems to be able do live up to the hype.

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    1. Re:I hate to say it...... by Chuckstar · · Score: 1

      That's why Apple likes its secrets. Its not vaporware if you cancel/delay a product that no one knows about. You can't deliver less than what was hyped if you wait until delivery to do the hyping. (Well, its still possible that the product doesn't really work as well as advertised, but you won't have the problem of having dropped this or that feature at the last minute, because no one knows that feature was supposed to be there.)

    2. Re:I hate to say it...... by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 1

      " Its not vaporware if you cancel/delay a product that no one knows about."

      Yep. That has to be an internal Apple slogan. I have also noticed that their reach does not exceed their grasp. You see so many products and markets (PDA, Cellphone, etc.) that people say "If only Apple would enter the fray" -- well there is good reason I am sure. Quality would suffer, support would suffer, and most of all you may alienate a fraction of the fan base if you just throw something out there of subpar quality.

      OTOH - There is always the "Shuffle" --- not hard to beat that. I think that was a litmus test to see if Jobs was the new Charlie Manson. Hey -- let's put an ordinary, simple product out there and see if our cultsters will worship it above all others no matter the fact that it is less of a product than most of the competitors.

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  66. This was an important announcement: sour grapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple switching to Intel is an important announcement. What is surprising is reporters recognizing it.

  67. Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 8200 by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Same components, same form factor, available now, cheaper, faster processor, double the ram, more hard drive space compared to the MacBook.

    The media, along with Apple, is delusional.

    What worries me the most about this latest Apple announcment is that the media seems to be both shocked and amazed that Apple was able to switch to Intel only 6 months after they announced the partnership.

    This comes from media sources that claim to be in the business of reporting technology.

    Why isn't this really all that shocking?

    First, Apple put a PC notebook in a Powerbook/iMac enclosure. Acer can do it, Dell can do it, HP can do it. There is no technological miracle involved in Apple getting an Intel CPU to work in a notebook formfactor, especially one designed by Intel to work in notebooks. I give a slight nod to Apple for putting it in a slightly thinner and lighter enclosure then the Acer Travelmate, but are we to believe that Apple spent the last 6 months designing the MacBook or iMac? Remeber that both the iMac and Mac mini use notebook components, so even those models are not technological miracle's as the media would have you believe. The fact that Apple moved to the Intel platfrom is not earth shattering from a hardware perspective.

    Second. Apple has had an x86 compiled version of OSX since they first coined the name OSX. There has always been some form of OSX avialable on some form of PC hardware. Apple hedged their bets that IBM's PowerPC may not take them everywhere they want to go, and with Wintel dominating 95% of the market, I would have been fool hardy for Apple not to recognize the potential to run their OS on an x86 based computer. Also, given that fact that Apple did not start development fresh at the moment Apple and Intel announced their partnership. Chances are, Apple already had much of this development up their sleeves. The fact they moved to the Intel platform is not earth shattering from a software perspective.

    Yet the media and many geeks are gobbling up this tripe hook, line and sinker. They foolishly believe Apple are hardware guru's for wrapping an existing powerbook enclosure around an Intel mobile platform. Apple's real design work came 3 years ago when they first created the Powerbook Aluminum line, Apple simply recycled components from the Powerbook, they didn't even change the case much except to correct weaknesses in that original design. These people foolishly believe that Apple redesigned OSX from the ground up to work on Intel hardware, but all they did was make it official.

    The media hypes about Apple because Apple hypes about Apple. I will give it to Steve Jobs that he as a charisma that few other CEO's in the computer world have, or is it arrogance. It is because of that that Apple gets ANY newsplay for what they do. Remember that Apple is the underdog. The reason why there isn't any news alert for anything Bill Gates does is because there is no need to hype about Microsoft, Microsoft introduces new technology and 95% of the computer world uses that technology the next day or next month. There isn't any news alerts for Dell, Dell comes out with a new product and millions are sold the next week.

    Only Apple, with its slight marketshare and EVERYTHING to loose needs to overhype their product announcements, making it seem like every little thing they do is a technological marvel. Steve Jobs in his last keynote speech was hyping about Widgets for goodness sakes. Widgets! What impact has widgets has in the computer world, zero! The problem is that the media buys into this hype without sitting back and gaining perspective and realizing that Acer has a PC notebook with the EXACT SAME COMPONENTS as the Macbook and nobody is marveling over it. Its because millions will buy the Acer Travelmate and the HP dv1000t and a slew of other Intel Duo Core notebooks without a second thought.

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  68. Why the media reports on a subject by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    The media report on things that happen, but they are dominated by stories of the unexpected or unusual. When things go as expected, there is not much "news" to report. That's why you only see stories about car crashes, and not the converse (a story about what a great traffic day it was, for instance). That's why you see massive media storms when a few public companies are caught committing fraud, but short blurbs (if any) when the vast majority of companies dutifully report their accurate financial data every quarter.

    There are a couple "usual" stories being subverted lately by Apple. The first, an ongoing story, is the resurgence of Apple. The company's decline is well-known, and all Netcraft jokes aside, pundits have predicted its demise for years. Yet in the last couple of years we have seen Apple surge in sales, profitibility and stock price. This is unexpected and therefore a story.

    Another "usual" story is the wall that has existed between Apple/IBM and Intel/Microsoft. The Jobs announcement subverts that story by showing tangible proof of a breach in the wall.

    Finally, the story of Microsoft's dominance is a very well-entrenched one, and Apple is subverting that too, with their successful move into CE with the iPod, and their domination of the online music market. Microsoft is seen to be reeling, off-balance and fighting hard to keep up--not the usual MS story over the past decade. Therefore worthy of a story.

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  69. 4th thing by NeilO · · Score: 1

    Someone in the media recently gave another explanation for the bias (was it Cringeley? Mossberg? another?) The theory goes: It's because the writers and reporters themselves use Macs. So Apple announcements are exciting news for reporters, and it shows in their work.

    1. Re:4th thing by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

      Used to be true, really isn't anymore. Writers and reporters use whatever they want, or whatever their publication pays for. It's only the DTP/layout folks who are still Mac-centric.

      Now, the fact that most of them like having a laptop, since reporting involves movement, and that Apple happens to make some of the nicer laptops out there...

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  70. Beware the AP Threat! by talksinmaths · · Score: 1

    It's things like this that justify the fact that the AP dethroned Bears at the top of the ThreatDown . If the AP can't even get a handle on truthiness, how can they be trusted? My gut tells me to go with Reuters.

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  71. No kidding. Time's Person of the Year? Duh? by ianscot · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Unreal amnesia in the Business Week coverage here.

    Bill Gates and his wife just got named people of the year in Time Magazine, for criminy's sake.

    This story might as well be "Why is Apple's PR effective where other companies' isn't?" Instead it's trotting out a charge of bias that's just lame.

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    1. Re:No kidding. Time's Person of the Year? Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates and his wife were named People of the Year on account of their tremendous charitable work. Microsoft's new product announcements rarely if ever receive the kind of glowing media attention that Apple's do. Part of this is the charisma and marketing genius of Steve Jobs. However, it's also because most tech columnists in the media are diehard Mac users and thus cannot be relied upon to provide unbiased coverage.

      For instance, consider David Pogue of the New York Times. After CES, he wrote several articles in which he called Windows Vista's new features "brazenly undisguised idea heists from Apple's Mac OS X" and other similar things. Yes, the current version of MacOS does some pretty cool stuff, and Microsoft is implementing similar features in Vista. But implying, as the media often does, that Apple invented these features is patently disingenuous. Spotlight? Copernic, Google, and others did it first, releasing free desktop search apps for Windows. Widgets? A blatant ripoff of Konfabulator. (To be fair, Pogue did credit Konfabulator in one article, but others in the media rarely do.) iPhoto? Hardly the first elementary photo-editing program designed for home users.

      Apple makes some pretty cool products these days, and they deserve credit for their unparalleled ability to wrap cutting-edge technology in a user-friendly, marketable package. But let's not confuse that with innovation.

  72. Re:Dvorak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same guy who has predicted Apple's demise three times, and only writes about them in the first place because he discovered Haterade = page views?

    He obviously believes ANY media coverage (except his) is excessive.

  73. Your question is premised on facts not in evidence by Dewb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft Enters The Living Room
    SAN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 8, 2004 (AP)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/08/tech/mai n648325.shtml
    [about the announcement of Windows Media Center Edition 2005, not the Xbox]

    Microsoft Unveils New Xbox 360
    REDMOND, Wash., May 13, 2005 (AP)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/13/tech/mai n695041.shtml

    Xbox 360 beats PlayStation to Japan stores
    HANS GREIMEL
    Associated Press (Posted on Thu, Dec. 08, 2005)
    http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/business/1335 5006.htm

    Gates Highlights Windows Vista Program
    By MAY WONG, AP Technology Writer Thu Jan 5, 3:53 AM ET
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105/ap_on_hi_te/ga dget_show_gates

    MTV, Microsoft team up for online music
    ALEX VEIGA
    Associated Press (Thursday, Jan 12, 2006)
    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/enterta inment/13398835.htm

    That's just from 5 minutes of Googling. Someone with a Lexis account could produce pages and pages of AP stories about Microsoft products.

    Sure, the media likes to ooh and ahh over Apple, but the media likes to ooh and ahh over everything. It's ridiculous to suggest that a similar product announcement from Microsoft wouldn't go out over the AP wire.

  74. Does this guy know his stuff? by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA:
    "Here's another good question: Why is Apple turning down Intel's marketing subsidies that go to other PC manufacturers such as Dell (DELL), Hewlett-Packard (HPQ), and others? There are no "Intel Inside" logos on the new Macs, save for marks on the outer packaging for which Apple isn't being paid. A slick, new TV ad will promote the new Apple-Intel collaboration. But if Apple is leaving money on the table, wouldn't shareholders want some pointed questions asked about that?"

    Here's a good answer: Because Apple is one of few companies that cares enough about the appearance and packaging of its computers that it doesn't want to make them look like stock cars by covering them with the logos of third-party parts manufacturers. And because Apple itself is a more prestigious brand than Intel, and they wouldn't have anything to gain by slapping "Intel Inside" on everything. And, oh yeah, because Intel ITSELF is phasing out the "Intel Inside" logo on the new Yonahs, if I remember correctly.

    Seriously, who is the guy writing this article? This question in particular seems pretty darned obvious, at least to me.

    1. Re:Does this guy know his stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another reason: Take ad money from Intel and Intel has a say in what the ad says/looks like etc.. If it is an ad with Apple money, then Apple gets to say exactly whatever it wants to say. E.g., the ad shown by SJ at MW. I am certain Intel wasn't too happy with it since it took a vicious dig at its (PC-making) partners...meowww!

    2. Re:Does this guy know his stuff? by lonebannana · · Score: 1
      Because Apple is one of few companies that cares enough about the appearance and packaging of its computers that it doesn't want to make them look like stock cars by covering them with the logos of third-party parts manufacturers.
      I thought we americans Loved Nascar? Then again,I highly doubt a Nascar fan would want an Apple. (oooo! THAT's gonna cost me!)
    3. Re:Does this guy know his stuff? by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      It may be obvious to you, but it's not obvious to many people. Your post informed me of a few things I wasn't aware of.

      You'd be surprised at the things that seem obvious to you, yet are not clear to others.

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    4. Re:Does this guy know his stuff? by vistic · · Score: 1

      But... this guy is writing an article for BusinessWeek... isn't he supposed to know this stuff? He's not some random guy being interviewed on a sidewalk somewhere. The author just doesn't know his subject material, and doesn't seem to have researched very thoroughly.

  75. Who cares? by DaveInAZ · · Score: 0
    ...Apple gets a disproportionate amount of computer press...

    Who cares? It's the media, and they live in their own little world. The only sensible response is to ignore them as much as possible. Personally, I think it's their desperation for ANYthing to talk about, other than MS or Oracle, that drives it. Who else is there?

    But, the real reason I replied was to tell you that I totally agree with your sig. I'd be tempted to simply say "Amen", but...well...you understand.

    1. Re:Who cares? by be-fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reason people are excited about Apple switching to Intel processors is because people who use Apple machines for OS X now no longer have to compromise hardware performance. There is also the potential of running Windows at full speed in VMWare, greatly reducing the software-related hassles of switching.

      As for gamers --- who cares about gaming? That's not Apple's market, and it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to persue it.

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  76. Was it AP or Reuters by rjschwarz · · Score: 1

    That coined the old "one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter". Seems somewhat applicable to computer manufacturers as well. Still after nearly a decade of "beleagured Apple Computer..."

  77. Which doesn't dispute the point by alexhmit01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Michael Dell is a HUGE figure in B-school, because he turned supply-chain management on its head. He took a business that was becoming a commodity, COMPLETELY commoditized it, and makes money while squeezing everyone else out.

    He gets LOTS of coverage... in the business press.

    Apple is arguably the most innovative company in consumer computer technology. The CORE focus on the mainstream "technology" press is the consumer computer technology. Therefore, Apple gets covered.

    Note: celebrities get lots of coverage in lifestyle, but not the business section.

    Very few companies play in the consumer tech space, Apple is one of them, Apple gets coverage. Other players, Sony, Symantec, anti-spyware company of the week, etc. Apple is a $6b company, which isn't small. I don't understand how on Slashdot a multi-billion dollar company in the top 200 of the Fortune 500 list gets treated like its a 5 man company in their garage, while treating random $5m tech company like a global dominating force.

    Alex

  78. Shudder... At least Jobs is the one in movies. by ianscot · · Score: 1
    It's like comparing Scorcese to Bruckheimer. Critics love Scorcese more and everyone will agree that Scorcese makes a superior product, but Bruckheimer is the one with the blockbuster hits.

    Jerry Bruckheimer is the devil. His name on something is enough to make me run away with my hands in the air. And he, like Gates, does get his share of press. The opening showing of "Pearl Harbor" on a U.S. Navy carrier, for example, got tons of press.

    Which makes it an especial delight to point out that, in the case of this particular analogy, Jobs's role at Pixar makes him both the critical and the box office winner over Gates, hands down.

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    1. Re:Shudder... At least Jobs is the one in movies. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      If you've not seen it, Crimson Tide should not be avoided, even though he produced it. He did have Tony Scott, Denzel Washington, Gene Hackman and some good writing (including a little Tarantino).

      But yes, the rest is utter dreck.

  79. Re:Trial begins for 5 Democratic workers by OakDragon · · Score: 1

    Wait a minute, oops, I'm trolling! Sorry!!

    Indeed you are! Welcome, Troll Brother!

  80. Simple by gyronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple sells a brand. Microsoft and Dell do not. They sell software and hardware.

  81. News story != news alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Bill Gates story was an article. AP generated dozens of them from CES alone.

    The Apple piece in question was an alert: a one-sentence "breaking news happening now!" thing that AP passes on to its subscribers. For example, if a UFO lands in Detroit, there will be an immediate alert, followed later by a detailed story.

    Just so you know.

  82. All part of the apple bubble by Saint37 · · Score: 1

    So the apple bubble continues. I know they have good products, but the iPod is definitely the lynch pin. I wonder what would happen to apple's stock price if it were not for the iPod. Regardless, they will need to prove that they are more than just a one trick pony as riding the iPod wave can't last forever.

    http://www.stockmarketgarden.com/

    1. Re:All part of the apple bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhhh... yeah...

      How quickly they forget. Let's not forget the media frenzy that the iMacs made when they were introduced. This was only a few years ago.

      I guess that makes them one-trick-at-a-time ponies.

      I hate to burst your bubble, but even when they only held 2% of the market Apple was always on everybodies lips... Bubble, hardly.

  83. Life of Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All right, but apart from the personal computer, the iPod, the mouse, desktop publishing, Zeroconf, the GUI, the 3.5" floppy, PostScript laser printing, multimedia, Firewire, and inexpensive video editing, what has Apple ever done for us?

  84. The Media are fair-weather friends at best... by meatball_mulligan · · Score: 1

    Sure, lately many journalists are all gushy over Apple, but it seemed for year after year in the past you couldn't find a positive (or even fair) mention of Apple in the mainstream press. Every time Microsoft hacked up another hairball, another half-assed version of Windows or Office, updated OLE/COM/COM+ with whatever name was hip that week, etc., the tech media would hype every new feature as if Gates were a genius. There was nary a mention that most of these feature had been around in other products (MacOS, Netscape, CORBA,...) for years. All the while, every other week, it'd be "Apple is Going Out of Business Tomorrow".

    The truth is that the media (like most people) are fickle and faddish. Right now the iPod is hot so the media love Apple. Google is in the same boat. A few years ago is was Linux. Wanna bet that in 2007 (or 08 or 09) Microsoft will be back on top of the hype cycle with Vista?

    r.m.

  85. Re:What am I missing? by Brushfireb · · Score: 1

    IBM no longer has a notebook division. They sold it to Lenovo.

    Plus, what are they doing that innovative? I know they refuse to put windows keys on their laptops -- to the disdain of their primary customer -- business professionals.

    Perhaps there is some other R+D that IBM does with regards to notebooks that I am unaware of?

  86. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

    Just wait. The OSx86 boards are abuzz. As soon as one of them gets an Intel iMac, I'd predict XP will be up and running in that baby in a day or so, unless Apple/Intel have locked it up somehow, in which case -- two days or so.

  87. Re:Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 820 by gyronic · · Score: 1

    you are missing the point. Apple announces. Apple delivers. Teh shit works. MS announces, people wait, and wait, and wait.... Teh shit needs a patch or 12.

  88. Re:Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 820 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Can your Acer dual boot OS X?

    That's why.

  89. PR / Media Placement did their job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The PR and Media Placement team at Apple and their agencies did their jobs, and sent a press release to AP. Why does this shock you?

    AP publishes everything! When you only publish 3-5 paragraph (at most) stories to the ADD-affected downstream publishers, you can afford to publish everything that comes down the line. AP is the worlds first blog.

    Full Disclosure... I work for a advertising/PR company. This is standard fare and my full time job. Yes, Virgina, the media is for sale.

  90. THIS TIME IT REALLY IS NEWSWORTHY! by lcsjk · · Score: 1
    I don't know if people are missing the (potential)importance of this change, so I am posting this again for those people who missed my comment in a previous article. And for those who did not miss it, Sorry!

    In general, people know that the Apple machines are good computers, but they don't run Windows and they are more expensive. Apple makes their money selling hardware with good software. Mark my words! Very soon, Apple will have a machine that will run the MAC OS-X and will also run Windows-XP, so people now will be able to buy a machine that runs a good OS (opinion)and also runs the most popular OS (fact). Apple's market share will go up-up-up.

    The normal MAC purchaser will still be there but will now be able to use those "Windows only" programs like autocad, etc. The "Windows" purchaser will now be able to consider a MAC with the better (perceived?) hardware and software.

    Present MAC users will not be converted to Windows, but Windows users may be converted to the MAC OS.

    Now for the other part. If Windows can be made to run on a MAC using the X86 architecture, then the MAC OS-X can be made to run on PC hardware using the X86 architecture. Now, Apple starts selling software to the rest of the PC industry, and again their market share goes-up-up-up.

    If you had a choice of purchasing a PC from HP with both the MAC OS-X and Windows XP, would you consider doing so?

    So here it is:

    1. MAC will be running OS-X and Windows within two years.

    2. MAC will be selling OS-X to manufacturers of PC's within three years, and some machines will have both OS's.

    3. We will have a choice of desktops from MAC and/or Windows, and one OS will open from a window of the other.

    4. OS-X will be running on AMD's faster architecture within three years.

    Sadly, I don't see any benefit to Linux here, because the Linux community, like the Unix community of 20 years ago, is still fragmented into a half dozen main players. If Linux is to be a major player any time soon, it will have to get in there with the other two main OS's and be content to either triple boot, or be part of a "run it in a window" system.

    Where will MS be while all this is going on? They will be trying to push a new OS that is not compatible with the present OS and will be stopping support for everything that is on a MAC system or that has a MAC OS. There will be lawsuits that will tie things up for years, and they are in a much better position to do so than SCO vs Linux

    1. Re:THIS TIME IT REALLY IS NEWSWORTHY! by rabidlemur · · Score: 1

      HEY! MORON! It's Mac, or Macintosh, or OS X. Not MAC!

    2. Re:THIS TIME IT REALLY IS NEWSWORTHY! by aduzik · · Score: 1
      Now for the other part. If Windows can be made to run on a MAC using the X86 architecture, then the MAC OS-X can be made to run on PC hardware using the X86 architecture.
      Not necessarily. First of all, that would be against Apple's license agreement; it says that Apple OSes are only to be run on Apple computers. But more importantly, it has been speculated in recent months not *if* Apple will use some kind of trusted platform computing to prevent OS X from running on generic PCs, but *what kind* they will use. Granted, I don't think we know what they wound up doing yet. But I'm sure we'll find out in a few days when people start getting their new iMacs.

      I think the only reason people were able to get the developer kit versions of Tiger to run on other PC hardware is because Apple didn't want to play their Trusted Platform card too soon. Either they wanted to keep it secret for as long as possible or they hadn't solidified the hardware/software combo required to do that yet. However, I do see Apple making an effort at some point to make Windows interoperability a reality. They will likely strike some kind of licensing deal with Microsoft where one can purchase a copy of Windows along with the necessary Apple virtualization software so that one can run Windows apps right alongside their OS X apps.

      It probably won't even be a full copy of Windows; it will likely be the "guts" of the OS so that people can run Windows apps on their Macs. I expect it will look quite a bit like the Classic environment for running OS9 inside OS X. In any event, I'd pay for that. It's not that I'm in love with Windows, but I'll finally be able to own just one computer instead of both a Mac and a PC for the few apps that require Windows. Plus, Microsoft already owns Virtual PC for the Mac -- they bought out Connectix a couple of years ago -- so they already have a great start for building drivers that operate within a virtual Windows environment and a real Mac OS X environment. Plus, Microsoft won't be losing any money by doing this; they'll still get to sell the licenses to Apple. I think that Microsoft, now in its "middle age", has suffered enough defeats in the past few years that they're learning they have to become a bit more flexible with respect to other companies if they want to survive in a truly meaningful way.

      Microsoft will not be dropping support for the Mac any time soon. At the keynote on Tuesday, Steve brought out Roz Ho from Microsoft's Mac BU -- who they apparently finally convinced to start dressing more casually for these Apple keynotes -- and she said that Apple and Microsoft have come to a formal agreement that Microsoft will continue to deliver new versions of Office for the Mac for at least the next five years. It's been a very successful product for Microsoft, so they have no apparent reason to drop it.

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    3. Re:THIS TIME IT REALLY IS NEWSWORTHY! by GaryPatterson · · Score: 1

      Argh!

      The *company* is Apple, the hardware is the Mac, not a MAC!

      Sorry - pet peeve.

      I actually don't think Apple will ever sell a machine with Windows pre-installed, or even acknowledge that Windows can be installed side-by-side. At the moment, the comment is "we won't stop you" which is close to "we don't care."

      A Windows partition infers that there are good reasons to buy Windows. You know that, and I know that but Apple won't admit that OS X is second-best in something. That'd be a very poor move for them.

      I don't think anyone really cares that much about AMD outside of a small group. Intel and AMD trade speed places all the time, so either of them have the big advantage over IBM, and that's enough for Apple. I build my PCs with AMD chips because I want to support them, but I could use Intel chips as easily (although at a slightly higher price).

    4. Re:THIS TIME IT REALLY IS NEWSWORTHY! by pomo+monster · · Score: 1

      What the fuck? Your post is fairly intelligent and some of the speculation's quite interesting, but I only discovered this by fighting the urge to skip it after seeing "MAC" and a hyphenated "OS-X" plastered all over the place like little black turds flung against the bedroom wall.

      I struggle to comprehend why, but nothing pisses us Macheads off more reliably than seeing the computer, or a trillion times worse, the company, referred to as "MAC." Guess which of these disgusting offenses you committed.

      You realize these spelling habits do nothing for your audience but trigger its built-in shitfilter.

  91. The Good Old Days by CaptScarlet22 · · Score: 1

    For those who weren't wearing diapers then..You'll have to remember here...

    Apple was the King of the home computer back in the day..Apple IIe rings a bell...

    Apple molded many peoples futures...including mine...

    God I remember night after night after night playing with my Apple IIe...

    It's SO nice to see Apple back on the front page..

    Because they DO create great computes...It just costs more...And so does my porsche!!

    Thanks Apple...I love ya!!

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  92. slow news day? by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    And it says a lot about the intensity of media attention Apple generates.

    Indeed, apple generates alot of press. It has to, it's a small company, but you can't deny alot of people in positions of influence use their stuff.

    I used to be in TV and print news, and my read on this *particular* story is: slow news day...gotta put something out on the wire. The 'news alerts' from the AP are like most mainstream media: they report the most relevant news they can find, and need to have at least one 'breaking news' event every day or so just to keep people watching/reading/etc...

    bottom line: it's about top of mind awareness for the AP

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  93. What about Slashdot's crush on Apple? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 0, Redundant

    What about Slashdot's crush on Apple? There are 5 Apple articles on the front page right now :/

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  94. It isn't ironic? by AlpineR · · Score: 1
    Quoth Alanis Morisette:
    It's a traffic jam when you're already late
    It's a no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
    It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
    It's meeting the man of my dreams
    And then meeting his beautiful wife
    And isn't it ironic... don't you think
    Quoth Mo Rocca:
    Irony is the disparity between what you expect will happen, and what does happen. So raining on your wedding day isn't ironic, it's just crappy. It would have been ironic if she had lived in a place like Seattle, and traveled to the desert of Mexico for a wedding and it ended up raining there, but not in Seattle. Alanis always gets the last laugh though. We all sit here, saying her song isn't ironic, but in fact, that's pretty ironic that she wrote a song called Ironic that wasn't really ironic. Those Canadians are pretty crafty.
  95. Apple has more impact on the world of computing... by axelbaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't be bothered to slog through the post to see if some one has said this ... but ... Apple has more impact in both a finical and design sense than ANY OTHER COMPUTER COMPANY because they take risk and think out side the preverbal box. Lets go through a brief list of major changes to the industry Apple has brought about.
    1. USB, iMac was the first main stream machine to ship with USB and no serial.
    2. Desktop digital video editing, the inclusion of FireWire on DV Cameras and Macs brought video from the $1 million editing suit to the $5000 desktop.
    3. Not Beige. iMac thats all I got to say.
    4. Mouse. First consumer machines
    5. GUI. First consumer machines
    6. DTP. Changed the industry with the WYSIWYG and high quality outline fonts
    7. WiFi. First major machine to do WiFi
    8. MP3. iTunes, iTunes Music Store and iPod legitimized and simplified MP3 and brought digital music to where it is today. 14 Million iPods don't lie.

    Many people are quick to point out that Apple wasn't first to market with many products. But that doesn't matter. First to market only matters if you actually move the product. Apple's business practices in the last 5 years are second to none. The produce a product people want, at a price the market will bare and continue to innovate. They also continue to expand their market. All this while turning profit in a very competitive market place. This is why the get press. Their "Think Different" campaign was right on the money. They do think different from other computing companies.

    Now, other firms could easily due the same things, but no other LARGE company seems to do them. I would love to see some examples of other computing companies that actually do though.

  96. Apple has that covered by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    But I wonder how long the media love-in will last. The press has a nasty way of building people up and then dragging them down once there's nothing else to write about.

    Oh Apple has that covered. After the decade of the "Beleaguered Dying Apple" stories Jobs put everyone to work on a top-secret project to avoid such stories ever again...

    Let's just say that anyone writing in the process of such a story that puts the iPod ear buds in will be sorry... very sorry. Heh.

    Similarily if you're a journalist having second thoughts about Microsoft stability you may not wick to pick up a wireless 360 controller.

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  97. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

    That's fair. However, another reason Apple gets so much press coverage is that their computers and software are so far ahead and often set many standards that the rest of the industry ends up following. For example, USB adoption was not widespread until the iMac daringly went USB-only in 1998, forcing manufacturers to really support the standard. iMacs today are a thin screen on a stand. In the future when hardware on the PC side slims up, that's probably how every desktop computer will be, and the current "box to the side of the monitor" set up will look to future computers users like old 1980s technology looks to us today.

    It's all the little things. My iBook has a battery meter on the battery itself, so I can check the power before starting it up (or see how far along it's charging). Little things like that mysteriously end up in competitors' products. :) Same on the software side. It's no coincidence Microsoft is putting iCal and iPhoto clones in Vista, or changing their filesystem layout to resemble OS X's, or adding "gadgets," and on and on.

    And now Apple is the first to market with desktop and laptop computers based on the Core Duo. In all honesty, the new iMac and MacBook Pro are probably the world's best computers right now. Can't wait for the other new announcements this year, since the rumor going around is that many new Mac products were cut from the MWSF keynote due to Core Duo supply issues...

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  98. Re:Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 820 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Same components, same form factor, available now, cheaper, faster processor, double the ram, more hard drive space compared to the MacBook."

    Can I get OS X on it?

  99. perhaps they innovate by micromuncher · · Score: 1

    The blessing and the curse: Apple Innovates. The culture oddly has survived in some sense because of Steve.

    As an old salt, I remember the days of ATG and the WWDC dev sessions where they would show us the really, really, really cool stuff. At that time, us developers claimed there was no media attention, because typically shortly after the show, M$ announce "their" innovation in M$FUD of what they saw at WWDC (yay Ben).

    So, does the Media Love Apple? No. In fact, most have always hated apple. But does the Media sometimes get the source of inspiration right? Sometimes. It took them a while to get there tho.

    My .02

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  100. God Forbid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God forbid that after decades of "beleguered Apple" this and "Apple is dying" that, the press should finally say something positive about us.

  101. on that note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, the AP's editors determined this news was important enough..."

    And so slashdot reports on the AP reporting on this important issue.

  102. I think this article is a little overblown by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think the media has that much of a crush on Apple. For a whole decade, they proclaimed them dead repeatedly. When OS X Tiger came out last April, nearly all the mainstream reviews kept referring to this weird "Windows Longhorn" thing as though it existed for comparison. They were actually comparing a shipping product to a future release that wasn't due out for another two years. It was really odd.

    Last week, Bill Gates was Time Man of the Year, his CES coverage was in the news, and XBox 360 is all over the place, even MTV.

    The media has done a few stories about Windows viruses lately thanks to WMF, but still refers to OS X as having "fewer viruses" instead of correctly pointing out that OS X has, since its inception, had ZERO spyware or viruses. Absolutely none.

    Mostly, the difference with Apple's press coverage is that people actually pay attention to them, because their products kick ass. Nobody will remember Bill Gates' speech at CES '06. But the keynote where Apple actually released Macs that used INTEL x86 CHIPS?! Everyone will remember the MacBook Pro's introduction.

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    1. Re:I think this article is a little overblown by Skrekkur · · Score: 4, Funny
      You are forgetting the OS X honor system virus
      "This OSX virus works on the honor system.
      Please delete random files on your hard disk, then forward this message to everyone you know. Thank you for your cooperation."
      And yeah I heard that there were some macro viruses that worked only in microsoft office on OSX :)


      If the internet is a world without walls or fences, why do we need windows or gates?
    2. Re:I think this article is a little overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um...that article was only duped once.
      The other four are different articles about the same idea being used in different places.

  103. Overlooking the importance of the ideology shift by stonedonkey · · Score: 1

    Apple has been fighting tooth and nail against x86 since day one, a bitter war that's been raging for over twenty years. I don't know about you, but Apple switching to Intel is pretty fucking big to me. Likewise for the possibility of installing and running Windows on a Mac, and running OSX on an x86 PC.

  104. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  105. Re:Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 820 by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 8200

    For the last umpteen years I could buy an intel machine and run Linux or Windows or Solaris or a BSD. I could also buy a PPC laptop that ran OSX or Linux or BSD. What I wanted was a Laptop of either variety with reasonable speed that could run Linux and Windows and OS X. As of February I may be able to buy such a laptop. This is different and is news. I'll read an article about this. I don't care about articles about other random laptops unless they can run OS X.

    First, Apple put a PC notebook in a Powerbook/iMac enclosure. Acer can do it, Dell can do it, HP can do it.

    Pretty much. They also created a bluetooth remote control and incorporated a camera, in the laptop.

    Second. Apple has had an x86 compiled version of OSX since they first coined the name OSX.

    Well, that and they created an EFI implementation, the first in a laptop I know of. Oh, and they tested things and got them working smoothly on 32 and 64 bit PPC at the same time as 32 bit intel. Oh, and they got all of their core applications working on the same. Oh and they announced they will have all their pro applications upgraded by march.

    Yet the media and many geeks are gobbling up this tripe hook, line and sinker. They foolishly believe Apple are hardware guru's for wrapping an existing powerbook enclosure around an Intel mobile platform.

    You've missed the point entirely. News is not just when someone does something very well, it is when someone does something that changes things. Anybody can pull a trigger, but When John Wilkes Booth did it the news reported it constantly. Everyone knew Apple could release for the intel platform, but it is still news that they have done so.

    Only Apple, with its slight marketshare and EVERYTHING to loose[sic] needs to overhype their product announcements, making it seem like every little thing they do is a technological marvel.

    Do compare what Apple has released lately to what MS has released. The press reports on what there is to report on. Apple releases new things. They report. MS releases nothing, they try to make up something and end up publishing articles that don't have any news in them.

    Steve Jobs in his last keynote speech was hyping about Widgets for goodness sakes. Widgets! What impact has widgets has[sic] in the computer world, zero!

    Actually, I use Widgets regularly. Every day, I press a button and see the weather, doppler radar, traffic reports. Many days I use the quick yellow pages, google map widget, or the simple timer to send me an alert in time to meet people for lunch. They impact my life, much more so than some random laptop I have no interest in buying.

    The problem is that the media buys into this hype without sitting back and gaining perspective and realizing that Acer has a PC notebook with the EXACT SAME COMPONENTS as the Macbook and nobody is marveling over it.

    Yeah, but they aren't cool. They don't run OS X, just crappy old WinXP. They don't have a cool remote. They don't let you do new things. You just don't get it. Apple moving to intel is the news. It changes the industry dynamic and will change the way a lot of us work. I might be able to finally be down to one workstation. Who cares if there is a Windows box with the same specs, it isn't challenging MS's stranglehold on the market and it isn't going to fix the industry so that we can have competition and reasonable progress again. It does not carry with it the hope for an end to these computing dark ages. If Einstein had a brother who looked just like him, but would work for cheaper, would it make news?

  106. It's the Blue America v. Red America thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Red America brings us gaseous veeps, corrupt-o-wagons of lobbying, trashy dishonest foreign wars, Windows and Dell computers.

    Steve, who is clearly Blue America at its finest, rocks our worlds with great machines for life, art, design, music.

    Which to love? Gee, what a conundrum...

  107. It's a leftist conspiracy!!! by eltonito · · Score: 1
    Clearly the liberal media's coverage of pro-Apple news is nothing more than the latest salvo in the culture war.

    They won't be happy until we're all wearing white ear buds and listening to militant Islamic artists, like Cat Stevens, on our iPods.

  108. Re: Mod parent UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Parent post "gets it." This article is about a very specific, heavily weighted, one-paragraph NewsAlert, not regular news stories. Obviously there are news stories every day about Microsoft, Apple, etc., but not a NewsAlert (tm).

    The posts about Time Magazine Person of the Year don't get it either. Person of the Year is not a NewsAlert (tm).

    RTFA everybody !!!

  109. Re:What am I missing? by friedmud · · Score: 1

    The "air bag" like drop sensors and integrated fingerprint scanner to name a couple.

    Sure others had done similar things... but IBM was the first large manufacturer (that I'm aware of) to integrate them into the laptop itself.

    Friedmud

  110. But you forgot 'Bob' by crovira · · Score: 1

    and his sidekick 'Spot' the wonder dog.

    No wonder Microsoft gets no respect...

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  111. Who cares? by Explodo · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why people are so excited about Apple using Intel processors. What's the difference? What made Apple be Apple was the OS, not the hardware. Sure they made a point of having hardware that wasn't really open and you couldn't really build your own. So? Now you can? Whoop-de-doo! Anyone who thinks that this is some amazing achievement should have been completely bashing Apple up until now because PC's already use the hardware that Apple has switched to. I don't care what Apple does. If they turn into serious gaming systems, then I'll consider them cost vs. cost, in which case they'll likely lose to something I can build myself.

  112. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by Predius · · Score: 1

    So... IBM making Win compatible PCs and shipping them with OS/2 doesn't predate Apple making Win compatible PCs and shipping it with !Windows how?

  113. Seek help! You're sick! That's not funny! by SIGFPE · · Score: 1

    I hope there's a special place in Hell that they keep nice and warm for people who do things like that, right next door to the place where they keep people who put kittens in glass jars.

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  114. Completely understandable by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 1

    Look at it this way: computers are mainstream in a way that no one imagined even ten years ago. You can go into any coffeeshop and find half a dozen people with laptops. Every company has websites. Google's stock is huge. Computers are a reqiured part of life.

    And yet for an industry so huge, so criticial, so required for modern life, there's hardly any variety. Macs are the exceptions. They're designed to be computers that people want to own and use. Even if you argue that Windows is functionally similar to OS X, it doesn't matter. Macs are the computer people *want*. There's no competition.

  115. One word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Payola.

  116. Apple sells "gestalt" not product by crovira · · Score: 1

    And I have to report that everything works together (instead of everything works apart which is a natural consequence in Linux where 10 developpers come up with 11 ways of implementing something and let you pick on technical merit.)

    As for Microsoft... Don't ever go there.

    At least Apple, like Linux, lets you buy and own things, unlike Microsoft which only lets you have access to their shit as long as you pay, and pay, and pay.

    Microsoft would have registration keys for their mice and keyboards if they could figure out a way to make them disappear, without involving explosives.

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    1. Re:Apple sells "gestalt" not product by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      Yeah that all depends on your definition of "own".

      Sure you own your iPod, but you don't own your iTunes downloads. You license them, and can lose them at any time with a simple iTunes update. You can only use your iTunes on 5 computer... no, they reduced it to 3... so 3 computers. Already I'd have to break the "law" to listen to the music I "own" on just the Macs in my house. My own computers. Those I actually do own, but the music files make me jump through hoops to listen to them.

      They pwn me.

      And microsoft... le'ts see... I have a couple of Microsoft keyboards that I bought and own... and a mouse... and an xbox. All bought and owned. About even with Apple on this.

      And linux... I have my linux... umm... oh yeah. Its free. I've neither bought nor owned it, but I use it all the time.

      Ding dong, you're wrong.

      I'm currently writing this on my Mac, but on FireFox, which is the same on my Mac as it is on my Linux. Macs are consistent and intuitive, most of the time. Like that green button on the window titlebar... the one that sometimes maximizes windows, but in iTunes it makes it the small floating window, and on some apps it just kind of makes the window bigger... or maybe smaller. I just clicked a bunch and none of them did the same thing.

      In iChat, the "Bonjour" list shrunk to 2 cells, but when I clicked the AIM buddylist it stretched to the full height of the screen. You can't buy consistency like that!

      All software is crap. You just have to choose the one that's least crappy for your application. In my case, MacOSX tends to be less crappy than Linux, which is several courses of nachos (with extra jalapenos!) less crappy than Windows.

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    2. Re:Apple sells "gestalt" not product by Squozen · · Score: 1

      The green button doesn't maximise windows, it zooms between two states which are defined by the developer. Window -> Zoom does the same thing.

    3. Re:Apple sells "gestalt" not product by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      Ohhh! So THAT's what the + icon means...

      The irony is that you are correct, but that still doesn't make the interface either intuitive or consistent, particularly not consistent. Once again we can have the 10 developer, 11 different outcome situation. And the "+" icon being the non-intuitive bit. X closes, - minimizes, and + ... well, it does something else. To be more precise, yet still as vague, it zooms between two states defined by the developer...

      The inconsistency is consistent by definition. And, well, now I know what the + means, so its intuitive, too.

      Hooray! Pass the Kool-Aid!

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    4. Re:Apple sells "gestalt" not product by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      "At least Apple, like Linux, lets you buy and own things, unlike Microsoft which only lets you have access..."

      Eh? You buy hardware, you license software. Are you trying to claim Apple software does not have EULAs? Think again...

  117. Re:the widespread media usage has NOTHING to do w/ by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

    Apple said whilst they wouldn't support Windows, they wouldn't specifically make it difficult for people. After all, you've already bought the hardware and the OS X licence, so where would the money be?

    What I'd prefer is them to say that they wouldn't support OS X on a non-Mac machine, but should you happen to buy a licence for it then they wouldn't put anything in the way of installing it. But then their hardware profit margin vanishes, and they have a million and one combinations of hardware to test under.

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  118. Whistler, Cairo, DDE, by crovira · · Score: 1

    OLE (like who uses it, really?)

    There's lots of vapourware out there but M$s is amongst the best products announced, and Never to be delivered.

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  119. Steve jobs joins the dark side by firesuite · · Score: 1
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  120. Re:What am I missing? by jtshaw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cheaper LCD production costs.
    Orientation/Movement sensors for parking hard drives before damage occurs.
    Higher density disk platters.

    That took about 3 seconds for me to come up with (and no research). IBM patents more new technology each year then your average 10 tech companies combined.

  121. Author gives too much credit to AP... by httpoet · · Score: 1

    Here is the current AP News Alert:

    Jan 12, 5:10 PM EST

    AP News Alert

    GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- The Green Bay Packers have hired Mike McCarthy as coach, general manager Ted Thompson says.

    © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy.

    I think the author overestimates the importance of the stories that the AP sends as news alerts. It's not always wars and elections, as he tries to suggest.

  122. Re:What am I missing? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Quite honestly, I think that just the new power connector alone was worth the press.

    I don't. I have kitchen appliances with power cords that attach magnetically, although I have no idea why. I don't remember hearing any press when they were launched. In fact, they don't even advertise that "feature" on the box.

  123. Huh? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

    Isn't that like the CEO of Hertz saying, "We will now give our customers the choice of using Kia, Daewoo, and Geely cars!"

    AMD has no cachet amongst the general populace! AMD has not undertaken the kind of branding and mindshare building that Apple has, for example. A much better announcement would be:

    Dell announces new systems, partnering with Apple, the creators of the wildly successful iPod, that can dual boot into both Windows and Mac OS X. Declares that customers should be able to run the best of everything..

    At least that way they get to throw in "Apple" and "iPod".

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that like the CEO of Hertz saying, "We will now give our customers the choice of using Kia, Daewoo, and Geely cars!"

      No, that was actually Jobs switching Apple to Intel chips. Going with AMD would be more like giving BMW as an option.

    2. Re:Huh? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      Geeks have different perspectives than non geeks.

      AMDs are seen as "clones", or knock-offs, or "cheapie CPUs", much like Kia, Daewoo, or Geely.

      If AMD CPUs, in common parlance, really were the bees knees, why are they cheaper?.

      People commonly accept that quality costs more, not less! Double the prices, and AMD can say, "2x as fast, and only 1.5x as expensive! What a deal!"

      Actually, some of their CPUs are expensive... but they are seen as a cheap CPU supplier, more than a high performance supplier... FOR NOW. I expect that to change, but I do expect it to take another three years. Can AMD keep it up for three years?

  124. Re:What am I missing? by Brushfireb · · Score: 1

    All of things arent notebook specific. I was asking for note-book specific stuff. Thanks though.

  125. Re:What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, a magnetic atached power cord isn't notebook specific either, unless you count kitchen appliances as notebooks.

    But feel free to state that "but it's the first one on a notebook" applies to Apple and nobody else. It would not surprise too many people here.

  126. I said "PR," not "innovation" by ianscot · · Score: 1
    unparalleled ability to wrap cutting-edge technology in a user-friendly, marketable package. But let's not confuse that with innovation.

    Exactly why I suggested the article should be about Apple's effective PR machine, and did not mention "innovation" in any technical sense.

    As far as the press world being full of "diehard Mac users," I'm not seeing it. I will say, graphics has been so Mac-dominated that for many years all the screen shots you'd see in Ads and so on would have Mac window elements, but that's about it. The games columns, how-to articles, and so on in the paper are all overwhelmingly Windows-centric. Reflects the market, and that's about it.

    When I read or hear people whinging about "bias" now, my skepticism is immediately up.

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  127. Re:What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looks like you know nothing about the Intel Core processors... they are not a peice of crap P4

  128. It's the software, stupid. by ibentmywookie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I couldn't give a damn about the Acer travelmate laptop or any of the other windows based Intel Core Duo laptops. As long as they come with windows, they are worthless to me.

    You can't directly compare Apple to the other computer manufacturers just because they now use Intel chips. Apple make the operating system and the applications. _That_ is where they are *lightyears* ahead of anybody else. MS is trying desperately to catch up with Vista. Yes I watched the video of Vista at CES and all I can say is *yawn*, I've seen this all before, on OS X Tiger and Panther. Except of course, OS X is classy and doesn't have an interface that resembles a dog's breakfast.

    Bottom Line: OS X, iLife, and everything else that constitutes the "Apple Experience" is worth a premium and is far more advanced than anything else available.

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  129. Me! by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 1

    I hate macs. Bastardized UNIX with an infuriating and unconventional graphical interface.

    1. Re:Me! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I hate macs. Bastardized UNIX with an infuriating and unconventional graphical interface.

      So you're saying you're interested in news about things that might make them more prevalent and thus force you to use said interface? And you're interested in news that means you might be able to install Windows on macs so you don't have to use said interface? See even mac haters are interested in the latest news.

    2. Re:Me! by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 1

      No, not interested at all. I couldn't care less if someone manages to shoehorn windows onto a Mac. I'll never need either product.

      What I need is UNIX standards compliance, because it makes my life easier and more profitable.

  130. Re:Your question is premised on facts not in evide by sinewalker · · Score: 1
    Agreed. Microsoft has been speeking breathlessly about Longhorn being available for years. It took 2 of them for the media to catch on that it's only vapourwear and get a little miffed.

    Mass Media are just lemmings.

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  131. Re:What am I missing? by humina · · Score: 1
    "Orientation/Movement sensors for parking hard drives before damage occurs."

    That sounds pretty notebook specific to me unless you kick your desktop from time to time just to keep it on its toes.

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  132. Re:Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 820 by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1
    The problem is that the media buys into this hype without sitting back and gaining perspective and realizing that Acer has a PC notebook with the EXACT SAME COMPONENTS as the Macbook and nobody is marveling over it.

    That's because the Acer is Yet Another Windows Laptop and the MacBook is a Macintosh.



    People, including the popular media, are going to wonder why if Apple can have no viruses and include such nice software with the EXACT SAME COMPONENTS, they should buy Yet Another Windows Laptop. It's going to get interesting.

  133. Are these the same media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that always referred to Apple as beleaguered? They have a crush on Apple? Or did you mean to say they wanted to crush Apple? Apple sauce, anyone?

  134. Why no more Macs? by rcbarnes · · Score: 1

    When I see Macs in the corporate environment it's a rarity -- except maybe in art departments -- despite the fact that a Windows PC can't do much more than a Mac can. Does Apple have a plan to win some share inside big companies?

    Perhaps the real question is why buy something that isn't as capable (in nearly all situations) but costs lots more? The author cannot seriously wonder why that is less important than some warm fuzzy PR and cool appearance to the buisness world... can he? :-/

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  135. Apple delivers by Tom · · Score: 1

    There's a good reason the media is interested in Apple announcement and Steve's keynotes.

    Apple delivers.

    Not only are they a year at least ahead of the competition (check the feature list for Vista, you can write numbers beside each one, representing the year Apple introduced that feature into OSX) - there's also the point that most of their announcements end with "available today" or a date in the very near future.

    Most of the crap Bill announces is Vaporware or so far off that it'll likely change considerable before hitting the market late and incomplete.

    So as a media entity, you'll have to ask yourself the question what your readers will be more likely interested in - something they can go and buy or some theoretical wishful thinking.

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  136. Duh - Tough One! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh - I can't figure this out. This is a tough one.

    Could it be because Dell is shit and Micrososft is shitter? Or because both Michael Dell and Bill Gates are purveyors of JUNK and the media have no interest in JUNK?

    I'll have to think about this one a bit.

  137. Re:Why is nobody talking about Acer Travelmate 820 by Shag · · Score: 1
    Same components, same form factor, available now, cheaper, faster processor, double the ram, more hard drive space compared to the MacBook... I give a slight nod to Apple for putting it in a slightly thinner and lighter enclosure then the Acer Travelmate... Acer has a PC notebook with the EXACT SAME COMPONENTS as the Macbook and nobody is marveling over it. Its because millions will buy the Acer Travelmate and the HP dv1000t and a slew of other Intel Duo Core notebooks without a second thought.
    Similar but not identical components. The Travelmate actually has quite a lot more components. The MacBook Pro lacks the Travelmate's 56K modem, dedicated VGA and S-video ports, PC card slot, 5-in-1 card reader, and a couple USB ports, compared to the Travelmate. It's also got less screen resolution. The Travelmate's optical drive is better, and its built-in camera has higher resolution. It's got a bunch of one-touch buttons to launch various things, and so on.

    So... what does the MacBook have on its side? I can only think of three things.

    One of them is weight - in a 15" form factor, being a whole pound lighter is pretty significant, more than a 15% weight reduction, even if you think it's "slight."

    The second is elegance. The MacBook doesn't have ports and buttons all over it like the Travelmate does - and a lot of road warriors (for whom I speak, having taken a laptop the equivalent of about 3 trips around the world in the last year) don't need a modem, dedicated VGA or S-Video ports, or four USB ports.

    The third, final, and most important thing is the software. The Travelmate comes with Windows XP and basically nothing else. The MacBook comes with an OS that's competitive with the as-yet-unavailable Windows Vista, and a broad selection of impressive bundled software (iApps and so forth) that, if one had to buy Windows equivalents, would probably negate any price difference.

    Not saying the Travelmate is lame or anything - it looks pretty cool. But throwing "...and the kitchen sink!" into a laptop in an effort to make it appeal to everyone is going to turn off some buyers (like me, for example) who travel extensively, don't have a lot of devices they have plugged in all the time, and don't need a lot of "legacy" support. (Sorry, VGA is legacy. :) I'm also concerned about its durability. Carbon fiber is known for being very light, and having good structural strength... but it's not known for dealing well with impacts. :)

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  138. "The BrownFury writes..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who read that as "The BrownFurry" at first?

  139. Re:What am I missing? by spectral · · Score: 1

    Lenovo put windows keys on the thinkpads now, thank god :)

  140. I bet we'd see a news alert for Dell if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Dell announced they were switching from Microsoft Windows to Mac OS X.

  141. Dell is a poor example. by Onan · · Score: 1

    Dell's stated business model is to never develop, innovate, design, pioneer, or create anything new, but rather to execute the assembly, sales, delivery, and maintenance of other people's technology more efficiently than their competitors. They are open and unapologetic about this.

    As business models go, it's not a terrible one. It does engender the "race to the bottom" phenomenon, but so far other people's technology has continued to advance rapidly enough to mostly offset that.

    But regardless of whether it's a prudent business plan, it's not exactly the type of thing that bates breath. You also don't see many people all atwitter at product announcements from Walmart, either.

  142. Reputation has a price too by Arru · · Score: 1
    What I'd prefer is them to say that they wouldn't support OS X on a non-Mac machine, but should you happen to buy a licence for it then they wouldn't put anything in the way of installing it. But then their hardware profit margin vanishes, and they have a million and one combinations of hardware to test under.

    And all the disclaimers in the world won't stop people from complaining that Apple's OS X (that they paid the whole $129 for) locks up on their (homebuilt) computer. I think Apple would rather not want that.

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  143. AP loves Microsoft by furnk · · Score: 1
  144. Yay for abuse of moderation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps just stupid moderators. I am not trolling. I sincerely meant every word in my comment above. If you think I am trolling, you are a jackhole. I believe this as well, so this is not a troll either. Thank you.

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  145. Re:What am I missing? by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

    In both cases, it's for safety. For the notebook, it's so your $2000 computer doesn't meet the floor prematurely as your labrador walks past. For the Fry Daddy, it's so your 3-year-old doesn't become a McNugget.

    Either one's an expensive repair.

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  146. Re:What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does everyone realize that this MagSafe idea is NOT new? In fact my 10 years old electric water kettle had it? It was designed to prevent you from toppling the kettle of boiling hot water by tripping on the cable...