You must be a complete wimp. Configuring my sound card in Linux was as difficult as selecting the sound card Linux detected and clicking the button that said "Configure Now"
Ditto the printer...
Ditto the network card...
Ditto the scanner...
Since you didn't qualify the first statement, I can only say that there is nothing I can't do on Linux that I couldn't do under Windows.
"...through their hero Bill Clinton, NAFTA and GATT, anyone."
Yer an idiot.
Look up NAFTA, and you will learn it was signed in 1992 by George Bush.
As for GATT, from LLRX.com:
"This guide lists the essential sources for researching the current WTO system and the predecessor system under the 1947 General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade..."
It's amazing how selective one's memory becomes when one loses perspective.
First - this is about the kernel, not X.
Second - If Gnome is slow, don't use Gnome.
As a desktop machine, the 2.4 kernel does great. But on an SMP machine under heavy load (we're talking big iron here), 2.4 displays some problems. Read the article, and you would have known this was about the kernel, and not the subjective desktop user's experience.
StarOffice isn't written in java.
I don't know what you were doing, but it must have been something horribly wrong. I have experienced no performance problems on my desktop.
But this was supposed to be about the kernel. Can you say anything relevant about the kernel? I didn't think so.
"Is it wrong, when someone has stolen something from you, to offer them a conditional amnesty?"
Your message implies that the BSA has actual evidence that any particular company is not compliant, and isn't just sending out blanket threats demanding an audit or payment.
"The truth is, most people that use linux exclusively hasn't even tried Win2K"
Qualify that statement. Some of us are forced to use Win2K at work, so I know about it's stability. I also know about it's vulnerabilities.
Don't pass off your opinions as truth.
Don't blame Netscape and Mozilla's problems on the OS whatever that OS may be. The problem with Netscape and Mozilla crashing are Netscape and Mozilla.
And although there are fewer blue screens with 2K and XP, giant holes still exist in far, far greater quantity with far, far greater consequences than anything found on Linux. There has never been any worm on Linux or *BSD as costly as Code Red (which I had to deal with at work because IT failed to patch the server three full weeks after the alarm was raised), Nimda, or any of the Outlook virus-of-the-week strains. The difference for Microsoft is that they employ thousands of developers at premium cost full-time and still have bugs that probably could have been avoided.
They do this by saying the end-user "needs" features that are diametrically opposed to decent system security - though I have yet to see any such feature that was truly a must-have.
It really boils down to trying to add questionable features to their flagship products in an attempt to make the new version look like a worthwhile upgrade. Switch from 2K to XP. No thanks - It takes all my extra attention to keep my 2K workstation at work secure.
Don't talk to me about MS's stronger quality when Passport has to be patched.
I don't know anyone who actually uses linux that is pissed because Win2k is stable. I know plenty who deride Microsoft for the security holes that let Code Red/Nimda in and the vulnerability in Network Plug & Play.
As for no compelling apps - lets use your list, only I'm going to leave out Notes because I happen to know from experience that Lotus Notes is not now - and never has been - compelling.
IE => Galeon
Word, Excel, Powerpoint => StarOffice 6
Outlook => Evolution and Aethera.
And if Linux is too hard for you after "20 years in the computer field" than you must not be able to use any UNIX. Which effectively precludes any formal education in "the computer field" - MCSE's not withstanding.
So I'd have to guess that your "20 years" experience isn't all that impressive. In fact, I wonder how you managed at all during the first 10 years.
I'd have to agree with the person who said 20 years experience doesn't count when it's selling them or working for AOL. I'd also have to add playing games to that list.
My only problem with this lie is that the "admissions" Dmitry was supposed to have made would be part of the public record. Therefore there would have to be a document somewhere with Dmitry's signature on it. If there isn't, than this becomes just as embarrasing for the gov.
Why go through all this? A lie like this is too obvious. Once Dmitry is out of the country, he is out of reach. Somehow I doubt very much that Moscow is going to send him back here as a witness against his current (not former) employer, in a case that involves something that isn't a crime in Russia.
Maybe the prosecutor's Christmas bonus depends on not losing face.
"Show me a soccor mom that can pick up Linux+StarOffice and use it"
Come on. That's not fair. A lot of soccer moms can't handle telephones or TV remotes. Oh wait - that's "trophy wives". I keep mixing them up.
"Show me an average person that can learn how to open up attachments with one of your "safe" email programs"
My parents.
I know your just playing devil's advocate, but the argument is flimsy when practiced in the real world. But the preinstalled linux/StarOffice scenario has never been tried in a public forum that I know of.
"...caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability"
Not THAT's funny! Either this is great satire, or this guy reversed reality faster than Jerry Falwell.
"claims of Linux running without a hitch for six months are exaggerated"
I don't think that's true. Not when there is an Alpha running linux that has been up for 834.9 days, and nine others that have been up continuously for over 400 days. Not to mentionan entire list of machines that have been up over 180 days at counter.li.org
I'm not lauging at all, there there was good deal of scorn in my last reply. And my disbelief comes not from being on/., but from watching my computer-illiterate 61 year-old mother, who has no problems switching between browsers (and even works in linux, though I do all the administrative work).
Computer illiteracy is usually not about a lack of skill, but a fear that it is impossible to learn a computer skill. It is an acquired behavior.
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You must be a complete wimp. Configuring my sound card in Linux was as difficult as selecting the sound card Linux detected and clicking the button that said "Configure Now"
Ditto the printer...
Ditto the network card...
Ditto the scanner...
Since you didn't qualify the first statement, I can only say that there is nothing I can't do on Linux that I couldn't do under Windows.
"...through their hero Bill Clinton, NAFTA and GATT, anyone."
Yer an idiot.
Look up NAFTA, and you will learn it was signed in 1992 by George Bush.
As for GATT, from LLRX.com:
"This guide lists the essential sources for researching the current WTO system and the predecessor system under the 1947 General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade..."
It's amazing how selective one's memory becomes when one loses perspective.
First - this is about the kernel, not X.
Second - If Gnome is slow, don't use Gnome.
As a desktop machine, the 2.4 kernel does great. But on an SMP machine under heavy load (we're talking big iron here), 2.4 displays some problems. Read the article, and you would have known this was about the kernel, and not the subjective desktop user's experience.
StarOffice isn't written in java.
I don't know what you were doing, but it must have been something horribly wrong. I have experienced no performance problems on my desktop.
But this was supposed to be about the kernel. Can you say anything relevant about the kernel? I didn't think so.
Then you're doing something wrong.
"Is it wrong, when someone has stolen something from you, to offer them a conditional amnesty?"
Your message implies that the BSA has actual evidence that any particular company is not compliant, and isn't just sending out blanket threats demanding an audit or payment.
You're right on every count.
RMS has proven many times he doesn't know shit about users.
Try StarOffice or OpenOffice.
I was speaking in terms of cost though, and that one didn't even come close.
The story said X10
Not Technoscout
"The offending item in question is the section on the right hand of the page under 'Advertisement'"
No, try again. The offending item in question was in the list of headlines in the middle of the page.
If you have to punish someone, that's not cooperation.
I'd have to say it's majoritarianism, or more commonly, mob rule.
"There's no justice like angry-mob-justice!"
"The truth is, most people that use linux exclusively hasn't even tried Win2K"
Qualify that statement. Some of us are forced to use Win2K at work, so I know about it's stability. I also know about it's vulnerabilities.
Don't pass off your opinions as truth.
Don't blame Netscape and Mozilla's problems on the OS whatever that OS may be. The problem with Netscape and Mozilla crashing are Netscape and Mozilla.
And although there are fewer blue screens with 2K and XP, giant holes still exist in far, far greater quantity with far, far greater consequences than anything found on Linux. There has never been any worm on Linux or *BSD as costly as Code Red (which I had to deal with at work because IT failed to patch the server three full weeks after the alarm was raised), Nimda, or any of the Outlook virus-of-the-week strains. The difference for Microsoft is that they employ thousands of developers at premium cost full-time and still have bugs that probably could have been avoided.
They do this by saying the end-user "needs" features that are diametrically opposed to decent system security - though I have yet to see any such feature that was truly a must-have.
It really boils down to trying to add questionable features to their flagship products in an attempt to make the new version look like a worthwhile upgrade. Switch from 2K to XP. No thanks - It takes all my extra attention to keep my 2K workstation at work secure.
Don't talk to me about MS's stronger quality when Passport has to be patched.
I've already got my towel.
Ok troll...
I don't know anyone who actually uses linux that is pissed because Win2k is stable. I know plenty who deride Microsoft for the security holes that let Code Red/Nimda in and the vulnerability in Network Plug & Play.
As for no compelling apps - lets use your list, only I'm going to leave out Notes because I happen to know from experience that Lotus Notes is not now - and never has been - compelling.
IE => Galeon
Word, Excel, Powerpoint => StarOffice 6
Outlook => Evolution and Aethera.
And if Linux is too hard for you after "20 years in the computer field" than you must not be able to use any UNIX. Which effectively precludes any formal education in "the computer field" - MCSE's not withstanding.
So I'd have to guess that your "20 years" experience isn't all that impressive. In fact, I wonder how you managed at all during the first 10 years.
I'd have to agree with the person who said 20 years experience doesn't count when it's selling them or working for AOL. I'd also have to add playing games to that list.
My only problem with this lie is that the "admissions" Dmitry was supposed to have made would be part of the public record. Therefore there would have to be a document somewhere with Dmitry's signature on it. If there isn't, than this becomes just as embarrasing for the gov.
Why go through all this? A lie like this is too obvious. Once Dmitry is out of the country, he is out of reach. Somehow I doubt very much that Moscow is going to send him back here as a witness against his current (not former) employer, in a case that involves something that isn't a crime in Russia.
Maybe the prosecutor's Christmas bonus depends on not losing face.
What a farce.
"Show me a soccor mom that can pick up Linux+StarOffice and use it"
Come on. That's not fair. A lot of soccer moms can't handle telephones or TV remotes. Oh wait - that's "trophy wives". I keep mixing them up.
"Show me an average person that can learn how to open up attachments with one of your "safe" email programs"
My parents.
I know your just playing devil's advocate, but the argument is flimsy when practiced in the real world. But the preinstalled linux/StarOffice scenario has never been tried in a public forum that I know of.
"...caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability"
Not THAT's funny! Either this is great satire, or this guy reversed reality faster than Jerry Falwell.
"claims of Linux running without a hitch for six months are exaggerated"
I don't think that's true. Not when there is an Alpha running linux that has been up for 834.9 days, and nine others that have been up continuously for over 400 days. Not to mentionan entire list of machines that have been up over 180 days at counter.li.org
Damn, someone else got to it first. Serves me right for not reading ahead.
Offtopic?! That was not offtopic. It was redundant!
Screw Karma. She's a whore anyway.
Who's watching the watchers?
Microsoft!
*Shudder*
We return you to your regularly scheduled BSOD.
*I hate the fact that scientific papers never say, "God did it. We don't have to bother with this anymore, it's just too complicated."*
Yeah simple minds are often frustrated when science won't give up on something complicated.
Screw Karma.
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do...
We doooooo.
I'm not lauging at all, there there was good deal of scorn in my last reply. And my disbelief comes not from being on /., but from watching my computer-illiterate 61 year-old mother, who has no problems switching between browsers (and even works in linux, though I do all the administrative work).
Computer illiteracy is usually not about a lack of skill, but a fear that it is impossible to learn a computer skill. It is an acquired behavior.
"and train the clueless teachers and students in their use."
I didn't realize IE skills didn't translate to other browsers.
Must be hard for our educators to find that back button.