Sorry, but people have a hard enough time controlling a regular automobile in 2 dimensions, and there are tens of thousands of accidents every year.
And whoever suggested complete auto-pilot is a moron. What happens when someone's auto-pilot screws up? The poor bastard in the cockpit still needs to know how to operate the thing safely.
Sorry, but The Jetsons is still a long, LONG, LONG way off. If ever.
Ah. Starting with an attach, instead of delineating real problems. Good form!
"Not even their latest version saves it from looking like a modern application with last decades technology under the hood."
What is the "latest version" you're on?
"My company forces its upon everyone here and they hate it with a passion."
Great. Bandwagoning.
If you're an Outlook-head, I can see why you might not like it. The fact is, it's much easier to network and maintain than Outlook is. It's also more flexible.
"Its unreliable"
Really? Sounds like you're on an old DBase version on a shaky network. GoldMine malfunctioning tends to be an indicator that there are other, underlying problems on the network. If you're getting GoldMine specific errors, likely you have configuration issues.
A stupid VAR is not GoldMine's fault.
"unintuitive"
Which means you're so caught up in "OMGWTFBBQ it's not Outlook!" that you won't bother to actually learn the interface, like you would with any other application out there.
"has tons of quirks (doesn't operate across multiple timezones? our scandinavian sister company has to arrange appointments 1 hour behind their actual time as the main server is in the uk)"
This definitely points to configuration issues.
And one problem hardly qualifies as "tons".
"Last time I looked we are shelling out over £400 a license for this floating turd of a package."
That's about right. About £88 is the software maintenance. This provides essentially unlimited free support from FrontRange, as well as access to ALL updates of the product for a year.
"It needs to die, it needs to die now and nobody ever speak its name again."
Question, oh brave one posting as AC. Are you a sales guy? Or a tech?
And more. There's tons of functionality, of which I've only scratched the surface. And NOBODY uses it all.
Moreover, it's designed to be a networked/shared environment BY DESIGN. Not hacked in like so many other options out there.
For people with higher speed connections, there's virtual desktop/web-client functionality through the iGoldMine product (based on GraphOn). So you can publish not only GoldMine, but other apps (Office, etc).
For mobile users (handheld/phones/etc), there's things like W-Systems' MA HREF="http://www.w-systems.com/www/web/products_wMobile.asp">W-Mobile offering. Presents a nice clean interface for the data, and the upcoming version will actually allow full e-mail functionality.
For just being able to dump a list of appointments to a mobile device, there's options for syncing with Palm devices, Windows mobile devices. And for more elaborate integration of data, there's a product called CompanionLink that'll add options like Crackberry, etc.
With Premium Edition, there's even full-blown SIP/TAPI integration (CE has rudimentary SIP functionality, thought the TAPI link is the same).
And until you start getting into the hundreds of employees, even a modestly powerful server (think low-end desktop but packed with 2-3GB of RAM) is overkill.
If you're looking for real, full-blown helpdesk, you're probably looking at another FrontRange (the guys who make GoldMine) product. HEAT.
We don't deal a whole lot with HEAT. The sales cycles on it are really long, and while we DO know how to install it, some of the other FRS VARs are much better with it than we are. Basically HEAT is THE solution if you're looking for the real-deal solution though. And yes, there's intergration between the HEAT and GoldMine products.
There's actually a third GoldMine product. GoldMine Enterprise Edition. It is, however, a VERY highly specialized product. Essentially it's setup is something similar to PeopleSoft, etc. Out of the box, it doesn't really do anything, and it takes time (and some expensive labor) to build the interface specifically to meet a given company's needs. Unless you have tons of money to burn and highly specialized needs, this solution is HUGE overkill and even FrontRange themselves will warn you that your needs could be met more economically with other products.
We actually use GoldMine itself as a poor-man's helpdesk. Our phone system logs the calls. We just fill out billable history items once we're done. When we get ready to do billing, we just run a filter fo
True, but at a literal level, if you have a pen and I have a sword, I can kill you, then take your pen. At that point, I'm double-mighty. Propaganda being the velvet glove around an iron fist (the sword).
Desktop search is NOT required on the desktop. It's a gimmick application (albeit a useful one for some people).
Microsoft is abusing it's position as the sole control point of Windows Update to push more of their crap into the market.
Additionally, Google may have a legit antitrust complaint here, as Microsoft looks to be trying to "IE vs Netscape" them on the desktop search. Unlike browsers, which can be opted not to be used, this desktop search is being auto-pushed, can't be refused, and it's detrimental to system performance to run two desktop search apps in parallel.
Fuck the Storm botnet. We have bigger problems with a piece of malware called "Windows Update".
HOWEVER, it's possible that a person, freed of the decision making by such a dress code, has extra time and brainpower to devote to thinking about truly important things, rather than wasting time with trivialities like "Should I wear the Ozzy T-shirt or the Slayer T-shirt? Sandals or flops? Pants or kilt?"
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"Old age and treachery will win over youth and vigor every time."
Sorry, but people have a hard enough time controlling a regular automobile in 2 dimensions, and there are tens of thousands of accidents every year.
And whoever suggested complete auto-pilot is a moron. What happens when someone's auto-pilot screws up? The poor bastard in the cockpit still needs to know how to operate the thing safely.
Sorry, but The Jetsons is still a long, LONG, LONG way off. If ever.
They're not quite the mob of Rome, but.... ;-)
It's caused a ton of friction between Novell and big chunk of the rest of the Linux community.
It's "Well...we've got our money...*CLICK*"
"Goldmine is a relic from the past."
Ah. Starting with an attach, instead of delineating real problems. Good form!
"Not even their latest version saves it from looking like a modern application with last decades technology under the hood."
What is the "latest version" you're on?
"My company forces its upon everyone here and they hate it with a passion."
Great. Bandwagoning.
If you're an Outlook-head, I can see why you might not like it. The fact is, it's much easier to network and maintain than Outlook is. It's also more flexible.
"Its unreliable"
Really? Sounds like you're on an old DBase version on a shaky network. GoldMine malfunctioning tends to be an indicator that there are other, underlying problems on the network. If you're getting GoldMine specific errors, likely you have configuration issues.
A stupid VAR is not GoldMine's fault.
"unintuitive"
Which means you're so caught up in "OMGWTFBBQ it's not Outlook!" that you won't bother to actually learn the interface, like you would with any other application out there.
"has tons of quirks (doesn't operate across multiple timezones? our scandinavian sister company has to arrange appointments 1 hour behind their actual time as the main server is in the uk)"
This definitely points to configuration issues.
And one problem hardly qualifies as "tons".
"Last time I looked we are shelling out over £400 a license for this floating turd of a package."
That's about right. About £88 is the software maintenance. This provides essentially unlimited free support from FrontRange, as well as access to ALL updates of the product for a year.
"It needs to die, it needs to die now and nobody ever speak its name again."
Question, oh brave one posting as AC. Are you a sales guy? Or a tech?
"It's not wanted here."
Since the person was asking about CRM solutions (even if the original question was off-topic), evidently it was.
And if that qualifies as a sales pitch, something is wrong.
I'm a technician, not a sales guy. I, personally, don't give a shit WHAT he winds up with.
So take your crappy attitude somewhere else. It's not wanted here.
I'm biased though. I'm a lead tech at a GoldMine VAR. So don't just take my word for it. Please do your own research
For simple rolodex, it's mass overkill. But if you're looking to REALLY automate your sales force, it's the shit.
There's the main Goldmine (Corporate Edition or Premium Edition) app for people in the office or for remote guys syncing through low-speed connections.
You have:
And more. There's tons of functionality, of which I've only scratched the surface. And NOBODY uses it all.
Moreover, it's designed to be a networked/shared environment BY DESIGN. Not hacked in like so many other options out there.
For people with higher speed connections, there's virtual desktop/web-client functionality through the iGoldMine product (based on GraphOn). So you can publish not only GoldMine, but other apps (Office, etc).
For mobile users (handheld/phones/etc), there's things like W-Systems' MA HREF="http://www.w-systems.com/www/web/products_wMobile.asp">W-Mobile offering. Presents a nice clean interface for the data, and the upcoming version will actually allow full e-mail functionality.
For just being able to dump a list of appointments to a mobile device, there's options for syncing with Palm devices, Windows mobile devices. And for more elaborate integration of data, there's a product called CompanionLink that'll add options like Crackberry, etc.
With Premium Edition, there's even full-blown SIP/TAPI integration (CE has rudimentary SIP functionality, thought the TAPI link is the same).
And until you start getting into the hundreds of employees, even a modestly powerful server (think low-end desktop but packed with 2-3GB of RAM) is overkill.
If you're looking for real, full-blown helpdesk, you're probably looking at another FrontRange (the guys who make GoldMine) product. HEAT.
We don't deal a whole lot with HEAT. The sales cycles on it are really long, and while we DO know how to install it, some of the other FRS VARs are much better with it than we are. Basically HEAT is THE solution if you're looking for the real-deal solution though. And yes, there's intergration between the HEAT and GoldMine products.
There's actually a third GoldMine product. GoldMine Enterprise Edition. It is, however, a VERY highly specialized product. Essentially it's setup is something similar to PeopleSoft, etc. Out of the box, it doesn't really do anything, and it takes time (and some expensive labor) to build the interface specifically to meet a given company's needs. Unless you have tons of money to burn and highly specialized needs, this solution is HUGE overkill and even FrontRange themselves will warn you that your needs could be met more economically with other products.
We actually use GoldMine itself as a poor-man's helpdesk. Our phone system logs the calls. We just fill out billable history items once we're done. When we get ready to do billing, we just run a filter fo
Or is he still obsessing about chili?
I understand the whole "ooh! shiny!" thing.
I share it to a certain degree (drooling copiously over new computer equipment all the time).
But all these "Item Y to replace Item X" stories all the time smacks of the subliminal advertising machine from Josie and the Pussycats.
=)
Just kidding!
True, but at a literal level, if you have a pen and I have a sword, I can kill you, then take your pen. At that point, I'm double-mighty. Propaganda being the velvet glove around an iron fist (the sword).
Whether you want them to or not.
Such as $30 a track for the new Christibritney Popyawnblah atrocity or Boiband 3-Zillion sleep-inducer that nobody really gives a damn about.
Or raking you over the coals for a Beatles track that's been out longer than you've been alive.
Fuck
that
noise!
Yep. As with everything else Theo does, it's starts out with "ass".
This is getting ludicrous already.
It's not even a friggin' security update either.
Desktop search is NOT required on the desktop. It's a gimmick application (albeit a useful one for some people).
Microsoft is abusing it's position as the sole control point of Windows Update to push more of their crap into the market.
Additionally, Google may have a legit antitrust complaint here, as Microsoft looks to be trying to "IE vs Netscape" them on the desktop search. Unlike browsers, which can be opted not to be used, this desktop search is being auto-pushed, can't be refused, and it's detrimental to system performance to run two desktop search apps in parallel.
Fuck the Storm botnet. We have bigger problems with a piece of malware called "Windows Update".
*Handwave*
Yet you're on the Internet?
Riiight!
Easy answer. It's not.
HOWEVER, it's possible that a person, freed of the decision making by such a dress code, has extra time and brainpower to devote to thinking about truly important things, rather than wasting time with trivialities like "Should I wear the Ozzy T-shirt or the Slayer T-shirt? Sandals or flops? Pants or kilt?"
Where they trade out command line and GUI for a full emoticon-based interface.
Oh..
Wait.
Never mind
I will not use a Microsoft Product until the SP2 comes out.
The OS starts up an FPS for me to work my aggressions out on.
"Are you SURE you wouldn't like to upgrade to Windows Vista?"
[Upgrade Now] [Upgrade RIGHT NOW] [FUBAR Existing System]
Yeah, that's probably what Porkins REALLY said...before Lucas edited the dialog to make it more kid-friendly.