Calling someone who you disagree with a Troll doesn't put you in a better position to argue. This is why I, unlike yourself, don't call people with differing opinions "trolls".
Please note that when I say "private company" I am referring to a private company which is developing private non-open source software, ie the "proprietary software company" mentioned in the original parent. Arguing semantics is also not a way to better your position in an argument.
There is no doubt that creating a Linux distro from scratch is "difficult". What is in question here is the comparison. Is it valid to say
Difficult compared to the creation of Windows 2000 server? Since it was developed over the years using parts of code that go back even more years, this isn't a valid comparison.
My thought is that "If this was a collaboration of a bunch of proprietary software companies, they'd still be hashing out legal agreeements." isn't a very accurate statement when referring to why open source is "cool".
Difficult compared to the creation of BeOS? Difficult compared to the creation of Mozilla?
When I say "apples to oranges" I'm referring to the invalidity of a comparison. You can't make a general comparison between a new Linux distro and new software developed by a proprietary software company and deduce that the Linux distro was available so soon for any given reason.
The original author seems to contend that UL is ready so quickly because it's an open source project. I believe the only effect open source has on the quickness is that because of the GPL, UL can start off the distro development with a great head start. This is in contrast to the original author's assertion that this quickness is due to the fact that UL is not a collection of "proprietary software companies".
And if you didn't mean by scratch, what did you mean? Are you comparing a Linux OS to a simple private piece of software such as, say, part of the MS Office suite? Or are you comparing it to another OS such as Windows XP?
Either way you're comparing apples to oranges. Not to mention the fact that not many companies provide code for you to use for free in the development in your private software.
Developing a Linux OS means much of the work is done for you already. Developing another OS means you start practically from scratch.
And in the case of developing a piece of software from the ground up, the work of which is of comparative complexity with that of the work put into a new Linux distro, you're still going to be starting pretty much from scratch.
...but the Linux distro companies have the exact same goal as, say, Microsoft: to bring in the profits, whatever it takes.
Just because it took up until now for one of them to figure out a new profit scheme doesn't mean the desire for it hasn't always been there.
Maybe you've noticed the price variants on different Microsoft OS's... who is to say multiple distros won't follow that route? One desktop OS, one server OS, one database OS, etc? It worked for Microsoft, why not for Linux?
They can still be cheaper and better than Microsoft, but that's not to say the tiered system isn't financially viable.
Because, after all, developing a new Linux distro really is the same thing as developing some private software from scratch.
Because, after all, it's not like those private companies would have to start from scratch, while the Linux distro has half the work done for them already.
Because, after all, the private company would have to release a fully feature complete and bug tested piece of software, while all United Linux has to do is release something that boots.
Nice analogy there. Apples and oranges, very nice.
It's called the Corel BOB or something, some sort of collection of programs accessable through 50 icons, but when you disable/close the one program, they all go away.
For what it's worth, I like WP better than Word, but I often use Word just because everyone else does:\
Someone at Slashdot actually knows something about what they're talking about!
I was beginning to think that I was the only reader here who had ever played a video game before. Thanks for the reality check, rizzuh.
Yep, looks to me like the extra cloud cover from contrails could easily case a change in temperature. (pictures from a hokey site)
Think about what you just said.
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Nuclear-armed ICBMs could be called autonomous war fighting machines. You tell them where to go, and they do the job. Same thing with these robots, in theory.
You say that it could be a problem if an Admiral decided to send his drone army to take over Florida. Presumably this would be a problem because there would be no sentient humans for the command to go through; he says take Florida, they do it, he has Florida. Well guess what, things don't work like that in the United States of America.
What is this, amature hour?
Do you think that one man is sitting somewhere in the USA who has the ability to hit a button and send nukes flying towards Russia? NO. You have the President who gives the final clearance for launch, and about a zillion other people down the command structure all the way down the the guy who actually presses the button for launch.
In the event the USA acquired a "drone army", you can be sure that, provided the country is not run by people who think like twelve year-olds, there will be a security structure in place to prevent one man from having unlimited control over the entire army.
In addition to the number of people commands would have to go through, you can also consider the redundant controls that one would expect to be in place. For example, a "drone army" would likely have multiple redundant control stations based around the country so as to prevent problems like you've suggested from arising.
Note, I wouldn't expect redundant control stations to be an absolute necessity unless you actually had a domestic army capable of causing real trouble. But then again, that's taking this crystal-ball game of ours a bit far.
I bet if you start hiring from places where people with a "true interest in computing" hang out all day, you'd be a lot better off. Start at Slashdot and work outwards!
And Christ, just clean the carts with a cotton swab and some alcohol. People still rent/buy/trade SNES carts these days, you know. Maybe you just lived in a tar pond.
Oh, and I'm not exactly sure what kind of super bias wagon you're driving, but there is such a thing as the Xbox, which is more than competitive for the PS2, which you so happily call "vastly superior to the competition." PS2 is good because it has GTA3, FF games, GT3 some Capcom stuff... Xbox has DOA3, SC2 on the way, GTA3 on the way, and a ton of great looking games. Regardless of which system you troll for, calling the PS2 "vastly superior" shows how ignorant you actually are to the "competition."
In addition to insulating the switch and causing severe potential problems for it down the road, this project is about as documented as a grade 6 student's project on ANIMALS.
This is modded up as interesting, but it's supposed to be Funny, because this guy is FUCKING KIDDING.
You don't boycott RedHat for trying to make money selling something that is pretty much free. You also shouldn't be a RETARD and try to boycott Blizzard for trying to protect their interests.
You don't realize how many people DON'T buy Blizzard games because they can play on bnetd servers.
It's a sound business move to stop this, and that is the end of THAT.
I know of THOUSANDS of people playing the Warcraft 3 beta now WHO DID NOT GET INTO THE BETA.
How many do you think will be playing when the game is released for money?
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That's just what I wanted to hear.
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Good enough for me. Nice talking to you, and good day to you
Calling someone who you disagree with a Troll doesn't put you in a better position to argue. This is why I, unlike yourself, don't call people with differing opinions "trolls".
Please note that when I say "private company" I am referring to a private company which is developing private non-open source software, ie the "proprietary software company" mentioned in the original parent. Arguing semantics is also not a way to better your position in an argument.
There is no doubt that creating a Linux distro from scratch is "difficult". What is in question here is the comparison. Is it valid to say
Difficult compared to the creation of Windows 2000 server? Since it was developed over the years using parts of code that go back even more years, this isn't a valid comparison.
My thought is that "If this was a collaboration of a bunch of proprietary software companies, they'd still be hashing out legal agreeements." isn't a very accurate statement when referring to why open source is "cool".
Difficult compared to the creation of BeOS? Difficult compared to the creation of Mozilla?
When I say "apples to oranges" I'm referring to the invalidity of a comparison. You can't make a general comparison between a new Linux distro and new software developed by a proprietary software company and deduce that the Linux distro was available so soon for any given reason.
The original author seems to contend that UL is ready so quickly because it's an open source project. I believe the only effect open source has on the quickness is that because of the GPL, UL can start off the distro development with a great head start. This is in contrast to the original author's assertion that this quickness is due to the fact that UL is not a collection of "proprietary software companies".
Sure it will have some features.
And if you didn't mean by scratch, what did you mean? Are you comparing a Linux OS to a simple private piece of software such as, say, part of the MS Office suite? Or are you comparing it to another OS such as Windows XP?
Either way you're comparing apples to oranges. Not to mention the fact that not many companies provide code for you to use for free in the development in your private software.
Developing a Linux OS means much of the work is done for you already. Developing another OS means you start practically from scratch.
And in the case of developing a piece of software from the ground up, the work of which is of comparative complexity with that of the work put into a new Linux distro, you're still going to be starting pretty much from scratch.
Apples. Oranges.
...but the Linux distro companies have the exact same goal as, say, Microsoft: to bring in the profits, whatever it takes.
Just because it took up until now for one of them to figure out a new profit scheme doesn't mean the desire for it hasn't always been there.
Maybe you've noticed the price variants on different Microsoft OS's... who is to say multiple distros won't follow that route? One desktop OS, one server OS, one database OS, etc? It worked for Microsoft, why not for Linux?
They can still be cheaper and better than Microsoft, but that's not to say the tiered system isn't financially viable.
Because, after all, developing a new Linux distro really is the same thing as developing some private software from scratch.
Because, after all, it's not like those private companies would have to start from scratch, while the Linux distro has half the work done for them already.
Because, after all, the private company would have to release a fully feature complete and bug tested piece of software, while all United Linux has to do is release something that boots.
Nice analogy there. Apples and oranges, very nice.
How much longer do you think it'll take for them to figure it out? An hour? Two, perhaps?
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The clock is ticking, we're about 30 minutes in from here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=43312&cid=453
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Do you think that maybe, just maybe, you might READ the article before posting/commenting about it? Or maybe you did read it, and took it seriously.
In the latter case, I pity you...
You post an article on "Building a Silent PC".
Do you have no logic? Did a bell not ring when you noticed that they replaced a heat sink with NOTHING?
You even missed the "Back to Humour" link at the bottom.
Nice journalism. Slashdot just gets worse and worse by the day.
http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/magle v_frame_E.html
It's called the Corel BOB or something, some sort of collection of programs accessable through 50 icons, but when you disable/close the one program, they all go away.
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For what it's worth, I like WP better than Word, but I often use Word just because everyone else does
You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Someone at Slashdot actually knows something about what they're talking about! I was beginning to think that I was the only reader here who had ever played a video game before. Thanks for the reality check, rizzuh.
http://www.carnicom.com/abq.htm
Yep, looks to me like the extra cloud cover from contrails could easily case a change in temperature. (pictures from a hokey site)
Nuclear-armed ICBMs could be called autonomous war fighting machines. You tell them where to go, and they do the job. Same thing with these robots, in theory.
You say that it could be a problem if an Admiral decided to send his drone army to take over Florida. Presumably this would be a problem because there would be no sentient humans for the command to go through; he says take Florida, they do it, he has Florida. Well guess what, things don't work like that in the United States of America.
What is this, amature hour?
Do you think that one man is sitting somewhere in the USA who has the ability to hit a button and send nukes flying towards Russia? NO. You have the President who gives the final clearance for launch, and about a zillion other people down the command structure all the way down the the guy who actually presses the button for launch.
In the event the USA acquired a "drone army", you can be sure that, provided the country is not run by people who think like twelve year-olds, there will be a security structure in place to prevent one man from having unlimited control over the entire army.
In addition to the number of people commands would have to go through, you can also consider the redundant controls that one would expect to be in place. For example, a "drone army" would likely have multiple redundant control stations based around the country so as to prevent problems like you've suggested from arising.
Note, I wouldn't expect redundant control stations to be an absolute necessity unless you actually had a domestic army capable of causing real trouble. But then again, that's taking this crystal-ball game of ours a bit far.
timothy should have his post deleted and his account banned for repeated double-posting. It's like he's spamming us!
I bet if you start hiring from places where people with a "true interest in computing" hang out all day, you'd be a lot better off. Start at Slashdot and work outwards!
Someone has a clue here, wow, who would have thunk it?
Or else you're doing something wrong.
...is a fool who has never entered a computer store.
They were probably too worried about breathing the same air as those dreaded captital Windows users.
What exactly would you like to see?
Sorry, I missed the point of your babble.
And Christ, just clean the carts with a cotton swab and some alcohol. People still rent/buy/trade SNES carts these days, you know. Maybe you just lived in a tar pond.
Oh, and I'm not exactly sure what kind of super bias wagon you're driving, but there is such a thing as the Xbox, which is more than competitive for the PS2, which you so happily call "vastly superior to the competition." PS2 is good because it has GTA3, FF games, GT3 some Capcom stuff... Xbox has DOA3, SC2 on the way, GTA3 on the way, and a ton of great looking games. Regardless of which system you troll for, calling the PS2 "vastly superior" shows how ignorant you actually are to the "competition."
In addition to insulating the switch and causing severe potential problems for it down the road, this project is about as documented as a grade 6 student's project on ANIMALS.
This is modded up as interesting, but it's supposed to be Funny, because this guy is FUCKING KIDDING.
It says a lot about the readers of a site that posts something like this, and all the most popular posts are slapstick humor about ATOMS.
Maybe Slashdot shouldn't be posting such complicated articles for a bunch of people that don't know Protons from Positrons
And it's a trend, too.
Popularity grows, it doesnt shrink. War3 has thousands of illegitimate users. As do the other Blizzard games.
How many do you think will buy the game when it comes out, when they can just continue to play it for free?
You don't boycott RedHat for trying to make money selling something that is pretty much free. You also shouldn't be a RETARD and try to boycott Blizzard for trying to protect their interests.
You don't realize how many people DON'T buy Blizzard games because they can play on bnetd servers.
It's a sound business move to stop this, and that is the end of THAT.
I know of THOUSANDS of people playing the Warcraft 3 beta now WHO DID NOT GET INTO THE BETA.
How many do you think will be playing when the game is released for money?
You don't realize how many people DON'T buy Blizzard games because they can play on bnetd servers.
It's a sound business move to stop this, and that is the end of THAT.
I know of THOUSANDS of people playing the Warcraft 3 beta now WHO DID NOT GET INTO THE BETA.
How many do you think will be playing when the game is released for money?