Back in the 80's there was a TV show called Newhart, from of course Bob Newhart. The Character wrote how to manuals and DIY books. Anyway 'Bob' got sued once for stealing a book on how to do plumbing. In the end it was decided there were only a few reasonable ways to describe on how to tighten a pipe.
What am i getting at? If you bother to put some thought into it, there are really a few finite good ways to say organize a set of songs or wrangle your photos. Is this 'stealing', patent violation copyright infringement? Damned if I know IANAL, but at some point there is only one way to sort things by category.
I'll leave the rants against the patent office for another time.
I am confused by this topic as well. when i was a kid in the70's i routinely watched PBS and saw all the science and math shows that were on and they were readily understandable. even though they were advanced topics.
However this could be a big advantage. if this entices the spammers to leave florida then perhaps we can get them into a state with capital punishment for spamming.
The rest of the posts in this part of the thread have more details but i think its fair to point out in the context of what is going on that Linux itself is *not* the GPL. Ipfilters is not the GPL, IP filters is not linux.
If the AP is using linux then the linux people proper have to file their own injunction. Here the ipfitlers guys did it on the things they have copyright to.
To echo another post, im not sure how you can say that this company is 'supporting linux' when they dont give back as the GPL states they must. That isnt 'support' in any definition ive ever heard.
perhaps a long term solution to the controller problem and the reuse problem is to have some of those EE guys work up some open specs and start advocating?
I recall that as a kid watched a lot of tv. I also did a lot of non tv things (Legos rule) as there was only so much per day for kids to watch in the 70s. In fact i dare say i watch more tv now then i ever did as a kid, including more toons. I guess im just not seeing the problem here. I recall several occasions in which i stayed home from school to watch PBS as school was way too boring.
So where do I fall into this vast tv wasteland people have been whining about since the 50s?
Why is it that we allow corporations to sell our personal information for financial gain and yet when its something that 'belongs' to them they want to send people to prison.
But on the other had its nice to know that all of the world's problems have been solved such that we have the leisure time to address this huge file sharing problem.
Actually it has been rumors that all of the greatest Stradivarius violins were made from wood store underwater. something about anaerobic bacteria something causing the wood to be extra resonant, or something.
When i first got my game cube i noticed the little thing on a fame that said "it is illegal an unnecessary to make back up copies" so i emailed them and asked about what happens if one get damaged media. This is the response:
Message(#6851-000081-1838\811838)
Hello,
That is an interesting question regarding what measures are in place to insure that back ups of your Nintendo software is not needed. The very media that Nintendo games are store on is what makes back ups unnecessary. Be it a Game Pak cartridge or a Game Disc for the Nintendo GameCube, when used correctly, there is no way that the information of the game would be changed or corrupted.
If a non-warranty problem were to occur, we can help you to repair or replace the game at a cost that is much lower than the cost of a brand new game.
One more thing, I wanted to let you know that we are inviting all of our consumers with Internet access to sign-up for our new My Nintendo membership program. As a member of this program, you can view the status of any order, repair, or subscription you set up with us. You can keep us up to date on your game preferences, the systems you own, and the type of information you want to receive via our exclusive e-mail newsletters. To become a registered member (which is free), go to www.nintendo.com and click on the "My Nintendo" icon located on the right-side of the screen.
Nintendo of America Inc. J.J. Craig McClure
Nintendo's home page: http://www.nintendo.com/ Power Line (Automated Product Info): (425) 885-7529
So if anyone wants a copy of this message let me know. And I'll also testify in court that this email is authentic.
well there is nothing stopping plaintiffs from putting up a list of doctors they have sued. of course to take the moral high ground you are going to have to release your complaint information so that people can make an informed decision.
oh i have one better, i had a user that used lotus notes every day for 2 years. not only she she tell me she *didnt* use lotus notes, but she deosnt even know which password to type into the computer she needed to login to LN everyday.
This sounds great. I wonder if the existence of MacOS X being unix based has any role in this kind of decision,
However my real question is how does one make something run on WINE easier vs just normal windows development? Making sure you use only standard APIs and such?
Well 'impounding' is clearly no the same as a settlement to change software. So assuming they had the clout to rip out their servers as 'evidence' (which they dont) it would infect be shutting them down. Recall that ISp that essentially was erased off the map when their servers were impounded.
The point is SCO has gone megalomaniacal. They thank they can do anything say anything and its all true.
I have to wonder WTF SCO is thinking. do they really think that going into BoA and possibly shutting down a bank by confiscating their stuff is going to do them any good? What bank would continue to do business with them after that kind of action. Not to mention that it's going to take a lot more goons than SCO can muster to walk about with bank computer equipment.
I am getting more and more dismayed by this practice of corporations saying that they have sold a license for a patent/copyright/trademark/whatever and use that as a PR gimmick to lend public credibility to the validity of their claim.
Its seems to be the PR equivalent equivalent of 'if i say it enough time it must be true'
Every time a company uses this tactic i become wary of it and i lose respect and good will for it.
Well not exactly. One would have to refute the claim made in the article at the time it was written. I said in another topic on this subject, i scoured their site and i haven't seen anything that doesn't look like a 3d rendering. Asking for Il to send pictures isn't relevant. hardOCP went on publicly available info.
Alas SCO hasn't duped anyone (into buying). The people that paid got exactly what the license was for to run sco code in binary form only. Weather that covers linux or not donest matter. its not what was sold. This is why you read the labels on your food. BacoS is not a pork product.
well i have seen both malice and incompetence. In case like this i have a hard time trying to figure out what kind of incompetence causes singular issue like this.
of course coincidences cause some of the most unusual results.
After reading this, SCO's claims to seem to be more of their kool-aid of "you must have stole from us because because there is no other way you could have actually done anything with linux otherwise.
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Back in the 80's there was a TV show called Newhart, from of course Bob Newhart. The Character wrote how to manuals and DIY books. Anyway 'Bob' got sued once for stealing a book on how to do plumbing. In the end it was decided there were only a few reasonable ways to describe on how to tighten a pipe.
What am i getting at? If you bother to put some thought into it, there are really a few finite good ways to say organize a set of songs or wrangle your photos. Is this 'stealing', patent violation copyright infringement? Damned if I know IANAL, but at some point there is only one way to sort things by category.
I'll leave the rants against the patent office for another time.
I am confused by this topic as well. when i was a kid in the70's i routinely watched PBS and saw all the science and math shows that were on and they were readily understandable. even though they were advanced topics.
However this could be a big advantage. if this entices the spammers to leave florida then perhaps we can get them into a state with capital punishment for spamming.
The rest of the posts in this part of the thread have more details but i think its fair to point out in the context of what is going on that Linux itself is *not* the GPL. Ipfilters is not the GPL, IP filters is not linux.
If the AP is using linux then the linux people proper have to file their own injunction. Here the ipfitlers guys did it on the things they have copyright to.
To echo another post, im not sure how you can say that this company is 'supporting linux' when they dont give back as the GPL states they must. That isnt 'support' in any definition ive ever heard.
perhaps a long term solution to the controller problem and the reuse problem is to have some of those EE guys work up some open specs and start advocating?
I recall that as a kid watched a lot of tv. I also did a lot of non tv things (Legos rule) as there was only so much per day for kids to watch in the 70s. In fact i dare say i watch more tv now then i ever did as a kid, including more toons. I guess im just not seeing the problem here. I recall several occasions in which i stayed home from school to watch PBS as school was way too boring.
So where do I fall into this vast tv wasteland people have been whining about since the 50s?
Yeah but you are forgetting about the time when MS said their software is only exploited when the fix for the exploit comes out.
Why is it that we allow corporations to sell our personal information for financial gain and yet when its something that 'belongs' to them they want to send people to prison.
But on the other had its nice to know that all of the world's problems have been solved such that we have the leisure time to address this huge file sharing problem.
Actually it has been rumors that all of the greatest Stradivarius violins were made from wood store underwater. something about anaerobic bacteria something causing the wood to be extra resonant, or something.
What really want to know is when people try to delete the energy internet off their desktop will it keep them off-line permanently?:)
When i first got my game cube i noticed the little thing on a fame that said "it is illegal an unnecessary to make back up copies" so i emailed them and asked about what happens if one get damaged media. This is the response:
Message(#6851-000081-1838\811838)
Hello,
That is an interesting question regarding what measures are in place to insure that back ups of your Nintendo software is not needed. The very media that Nintendo games are store on is what makes back ups unnecessary. Be it a Game Pak cartridge or a Game Disc for the Nintendo GameCube, when used correctly, there is no way that the information of the game would be changed or corrupted.
If a non-warranty problem were to occur, we can help you to repair or replace the game at a cost that is much lower than the cost of a brand new game.
One more thing, I wanted to let you know that we are inviting all of our consumers with Internet access to sign-up for our new My Nintendo membership program. As a member of this program, you can view the status of any order, repair, or subscription you set up with us. You can keep us up to date on your game preferences, the systems you own, and the type of information you want to receive via our exclusive e-mail newsletters. To become a registered member (which is free), go to www.nintendo.com and click on the "My Nintendo" icon located on the right-side of the screen.
Nintendo of America Inc.
J.J. Craig McClure
Nintendo's home page: http://www.nintendo.com/
Power Line (Automated Product Info): (425) 885-7529
So if anyone wants a copy of this message let me know. And I'll also testify in court that this email is authentic.
well there is nothing stopping plaintiffs from putting up a list of doctors they have sued. of course to take the moral high ground you are going to have to release your complaint information so that people can make an informed decision.
oh i have one better, i had a user that used lotus notes every day for 2 years. not only she she tell me she *didnt* use lotus notes, but she deosnt even know which password to type into the computer she needed to login to LN everyday.
Yes virginia, stupidity exists.
umm some apps are carbon and some are cocoa. i thought it was going to be obvious i wasn't referring to carbon as that is based on the old macos APIs
This sounds great. I wonder if the existence of MacOS X being unix based has any role in this kind of decision,
However my real question is how does one make something run on WINE easier vs just normal windows development? Making sure you use only standard APIs and such?
Well 'impounding' is clearly no the same as a settlement to change software. So assuming they had the clout to rip out their servers as 'evidence' (which they dont) it would infect be shutting them down. Recall that ISp that essentially was erased off the map when their servers were impounded.
The point is SCO has gone megalomaniacal. They thank they can do anything say anything and its all true.
I have to wonder WTF SCO is thinking. do they really think that going into BoA and possibly shutting down a bank by confiscating their stuff is going to do them any good? What bank would continue to do business with them after that kind of action. Not to mention that it's going to take a lot more goons than SCO can muster to walk about with bank computer equipment.
I am getting more and more dismayed by this practice of corporations saying that they have sold a license for a patent/copyright/trademark/whatever and use that as a PR gimmick to lend public credibility to the validity of their claim.
Its seems to be the PR equivalent equivalent of 'if i say it enough time it must be true'
Every time a company uses this tactic i become wary of it and i lose respect and good will for it.
we have words for what you are describing. the first is spin, and the second is astroturf.
Well not exactly. One would have to refute the claim made in the article at the time it was written. I said in another topic on this subject, i scoured their site and i haven't seen anything that doesn't look like a 3d rendering. Asking for Il to send pictures isn't relevant. hardOCP went on publicly available info.
Well frankly i disagree. Based on what i saw on the IL site i didn't feel misled by the article at all.
Alas SCO hasn't duped anyone (into buying). The people that paid got exactly what the license was for to run sco code in binary form only. Weather that covers linux or not donest matter. its not what was sold. This is why you read the labels on your food. BacoS is not a pork product.
isnt blocked either. Something odd here. for sure
well i have seen both malice and incompetence. In case like this i have a hard time trying to figure out what kind of incompetence causes singular issue like this.
of course coincidences cause some of the most unusual results.
After reading this, SCO's claims to seem to be more of their kool-aid of "you must have stole from us because because there is no other way you could have actually done anything with linux otherwise.