Re:Used Equipment + OSS = Cost Savings
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I'm really confused: what do you mean by they would be easy to image with software from the Linux Terminal Server Project? There is no local hard drive to image and only an eprom (maybe a floppy for the short-term). Elaborate
Americans live in a post-FDR society, where it has been proven over several recession/depressions that it is the government's job to employ during an economic downturn. My thoughts. Not that it should be....
I know that this is totally offtopic, and that I will lose what small amount of karma I have for it, but I have a friend who made a business out of the US/Canada price difference. Wholesalers would go to Canada and buy truckloads, then give them to him to change out the component cluster to read miles, not kms. He charges close to US$1000 per car, if I remember, and after the cost of the new cluster made some US$100 per car, in about 15 minutes. (This is all from memory of a couple years ago). The wholesalers would then turns around and wholesale the cars at a US$4000 markup, making about US$3000 per car, and go right back up to Canada to do it again. These guys had money falling out of their pockets.
I am a big fan of thinclients, and have administered two setups. When it is done right, the amount of administration work drops to virtually nothing. If you can set up a new company to rely on only web apps or custom jobs, the user has virtually no power to mess with anything, can only use the apps you offer them, and, if they hose their home directory, you simply copy it back from a daily backup for them. Simple and beautiful.
The administration costs on this are minimal, and hardware rarely needs to be upgraded, except to add another server to the setup.
I am not going to be sarcastic like most of the other responses to you. I will give you a true story. I recently hosed the startup of my new Gentoo box (don't know what I did, but that doesn't matter). I won't lie, I have a fair amount of experience with Linux (6 years), but I had no idea how to manually get a dhcp address on an interface so that I could connect to the BBIagent gateway that I had just installed to make Gentoo easier. In reality, it took me less than three minutes, reading a man page, typing two commands, and I was finished.
I love to play with my box at home, and while I don't touch any server configs outside of updating, I routinely mess up my home box. I can not count the number of times that I have brought it back from dead without anything like a reinstall. I gave up on Win98, but it seems like, with my children, I spent all my spare time reinstalling either the OS or myriad applications. Just my experience. It's probably not the same as yours.
Do Linux distributions have the equivalent of Solaris' ufsdump tool? I'm not sure if it fits the bill, but tcpdump is available for Linux and quite mature, although dump has its own set of security issues.
Not to nitpick (well...OK. It's a nitpick) the SAW M249 ( Squad Automatic Weapon )is classed as a machine gun and is 5.56mm. And, yes, they are great fun to fire standing with one against your shoulder, like I did as SF support.
2. You have know clue about IE history while other browsers often do the same thing... Stupid!
2.1 You have no understanding of the difference between know and no... Stupid!
I am impressed the you got too correct, however.
From your headline and all the usual comments about AMD, I am assuming that you are blaming them, when in fact, it was an Intel chip. If you are not blaming them, please clarify (although your link does).
OK...I swear that I am not BSing this...
My long time student, the Japanese technology advisor to the Thai government, just went back to Japan, where he holds a fairly high position in the ministry there. My interaction with him for many months (on his request) was to bring up timely and interesting technical stories for discussion to help him improve his (already wonderful) English. We did much talking about OSS vs. proprietary software, DRM, etc... He was enormously interested in the uses of OSS in the government. Anyone on the inside know of a Nobuaki involved in this?
This is a serious problem: if you think that you are helping a school district by donating a machine to them, you may not be. Machines that come in must be wiped and the lisence is non-tranferrable from the original owner if OEM (which most are). Additionally, if the district has been roped into a site lisence agreement for ease of administration, they now must pay for an additional computer which they may not use, and have less money for current server equipment, which they desperately need.
I had no Idea that KDE and OO.o were competing products as suggested by it looks like KDE has an edge in Europe, specially in Germany and Sweden. But also OpenOffice is actively evaluated. Could you maybe elaborate on your meaning here?
My honest to goodness suggestion is to use x terminals. You can put a server ( even a normal powered desktop is fine ) in the closet and soundproof the h*ll out of it while running a cross cable to a $20 P100 with no fans and voila! Keeps my lab quiet.
Re:Just to get this over with:
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So, what is the legality of an LTSP setup for crossover, anyway: if I installed Xandros and the LTSP debs, would I be violating any licenses? Of course, I would need an MS Office license for each terminal. BTW, why is your distro dead -- it's something a hundred million people would like to see. Look at the success of K12LTSP
Dan
I used to be a devoted KDE guy (and still would use it), but I run a bunch of diskless terminal for my school, and it is way too heavy ( something like 150Mb per client). Instead, I am using ice wm because it rarely even appears on "top" and I can lock everything out of my kids hads really easily:they have six things on the menu and no opprtunity for a teminal. Rocks, and the six terminals run off of one measely Duron 850 with 256Mb
Hmmmm... It seems to be ready for the desktop at my Language school: six diskless workstations all run off of a duron 850 with 256Mb RAM. Total investment in computers and networking: about 55,000 baht, or US$1200. But then maybe that's because we only need an office suite and a web browser for the database, the groupware, and the instructioal software.
I haven't seen this one, so I'll ask: did this (apparently very large) illicit side job interfere with your sysadmin job? Did you do this stuff while on the clock, or was it entirely on your own time?
I just did this (took me a while) with a Z32, and you need to go over to foomatic.com and search their database. Install the rpm, run their cupsing script, and whammo, you're in. Sorry for OT, but the Lexmark provided driver is actually pretty good, while the printer itself is a $20 piece of trach.
Two problems
1) Up2date and RedCarpet stomp all over each other's toes -- which may be part of your problem, in which case it is NOT the fault of your vendor, because RH has had a patch out for a month plus.
2) If you are checking your vulnerability based on your version of the software, you probably are not checking the right place. RedHat backports security fixes so that older software is still secure, but doesn't mess with the interdependancy of all the RedHat packages.
Just my thought on why I think you are probably wrong in at least one way...
Dan
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I'm really confused: what do you mean by they would be easy to image with software from the Linux Terminal Server Project? There is no local hard drive to image and only an eprom (maybe a floppy for the short-term). Elaborate
Americans live in a post-FDR society, where it has been proven over several recession/depressions that it is the government's job to employ during an economic downturn. My thoughts. Not that it should be....
If alphas were so nice how come nobody bought them!
'cause they were all waiting on the beta?
(high hat)
I know that this is totally offtopic, and that I will lose what small amount of karma I have for it, but I have a friend who made a business out of the US/Canada price difference. Wholesalers would go to Canada and buy truckloads, then give them to him to change out the component cluster to read miles, not kms. He charges close to US$1000 per car, if I remember, and after the cost of the new cluster made some US$100 per car, in about 15 minutes. (This is all from memory of a couple years ago). The wholesalers would then turns around and wholesale the cars at a US$4000 markup, making about US$3000 per car, and go right back up to Canada to do it again. These guys had money falling out of their pockets.
I am a big fan of thin clients, and have administered two setups. When it is done right, the amount of administration work drops to virtually nothing. If you can set up a new company to rely on only web apps or custom jobs, the user has virtually no power to mess with anything, can only use the apps you offer them, and, if they hose their home directory, you simply copy it back from a daily backup for them. Simple and beautiful.
The administration costs on this are minimal, and hardware rarely needs to be upgraded, except to add another server to the setup.
I am not going to be sarcastic like most of the other responses to you. I will give you a true story. I recently hosed the startup of my new Gentoo box (don't know what I did, but that doesn't matter). I won't lie, I have a fair amount of experience with Linux (6 years), but I had no idea how to manually get a dhcp address on an interface so that I could connect to the BBIagent gateway that I had just installed to make Gentoo easier. In reality, it took me less than three minutes, reading a man page, typing two commands, and I was finished.
I love to play with my box at home, and while I don't touch any server configs outside of updating, I routinely mess up my home box. I can not count the number of times that I have brought it back from dead without anything like a reinstall. I gave up on Win98, but it seems like, with my children, I spent all my spare time reinstalling either the OS or myriad applications. Just my experience. It's probably not the same as yours.
Do Linux distributions have the equivalent of Solaris' ufsdump tool?
I'm not sure if it fits the bill, but tcpdump is available for Linux and quite mature, although dump has its own set of security issues.
Not to nitpick (well...OK. It's a nitpick) the SAW M249 ( Squad Automatic Weapon )is classed as a machine gun and is 5.56mm. And, yes, they are great fun to fire standing with one against your shoulder, like I did as SF support.
2. You have know clue about IE history while other browsers often do the same thing... Stupid! ... Stupid!
2.1 You have no understanding of the difference between know and no
I am impressed the you got too correct, however.
From your headline and all the usual comments about AMD, I am assuming that you are blaming them, when in fact, it was an Intel chip. If you are not blaming them, please clarify (although your link does).
'fraid your math stinks -- That's about 500ms -- No. That's about 137ms, plus overhead. Your post is useless. Congrats. Next time, preview.
OK...I swear that I am not BSing this...
My long time student, the Japanese technology advisor to the Thai government, just went back to Japan, where he holds a fairly high position in the ministry there. My interaction with him for many months (on his request) was to bring up timely and interesting technical stories for discussion to help him improve his (already wonderful) English. We did much talking about OSS vs. proprietary software, DRM, etc... He was enormously interested in the uses of OSS in the government. Anyone on the inside know of a Nobuaki involved in this?
This is a serious problem: if you think that you are helping a school district by donating a machine to them, you may not be. Machines that come in must be wiped and the lisence is non-tranferrable from the original owner if OEM (which most are). Additionally, if the district has been roped into a site lisence agreement for ease of administration, they now must pay for an additional computer which they may not use, and have less money for current server equipment, which they desperately need.
I had no Idea that KDE and OO.o were competing products as suggested by it looks like KDE has an edge in Europe, specially in Germany and Sweden. But also OpenOffice is actively evaluated. Could you maybe elaborate on your meaning here?
let alone the commercial options
O.K. I will.
My honest to goodness suggestion is to use x terminals. You can put a server ( even a normal powered desktop is fine ) in the closet and soundproof the h*ll out of it while running a cross cable to a $20 P100 with no fans and voila! Keeps my lab quiet.
So, what is the legality of an LTSP setup for crossover, anyway: if I installed Xandros and the LTSP debs, would I be violating any licenses? Of course, I would need an MS Office license for each terminal. BTW, why is your distro dead -- it's something a hundred million people would like to see. Look at the success of K12LTSP Dan
I used to be a devoted KDE guy (and still would use it), but I run a bunch of diskless terminal for my school, and it is way too heavy ( something like 150Mb per client). Instead, I am using ice wm because it rarely even appears on "top" and I can lock everything out of my kids hads really easily:they have six things on the menu and no opprtunity for a teminal. Rocks, and the six terminals run off of one measely Duron 850 with 256Mb
Hmmmm... It seems to be ready for the desktop at my Language school: six diskless workstations all run off of a duron 850 with 256Mb RAM. Total investment in computers and networking: about 55,000 baht, or US$1200. But then maybe that's because we only need an office suite and a web browser for the database, the groupware, and the instructioal software.
would tex qualify? Maybe?
I haven't seen this one, so I'll ask: did this (apparently very large) illicit side job interfere with your sysadmin job? Did you do this stuff while on the clock, or was it entirely on your own time?
I just did this (took me a while) with a Z32, and you need to go over to foomatic.com and search their database. Install the rpm, run their cupsing script, and whammo, you're in. Sorry for OT, but the Lexmark provided driver is actually pretty good, while the printer itself is a $20 piece of trach.
Two problems
1) Up2date and RedCarpet stomp all over each other's toes -- which may be part of your problem, in which case it is NOT the fault of your vendor, because RH has had a patch out for a month plus.
2) If you are checking your vulnerability based on your version of the software, you probably are not checking the right place. RedHat backports security fixes so that older software is still secure, but doesn't mess with the interdependancy of all the RedHat packages.
Just my thought on why I think you are probably wrong in at least one way... Dan
Yeah, Yeah, I know... George, not Steve...It's been a long time and I'm getting old, having watched the shows on TV
Sh*t, man, you're right... and I just posted above about Steve Reeves in the part...Who the h*ll was Steve Reeves, and who did he play in classic TV?