The right to freedom from illegal search and seizure except when someone thinks you may be a terrorist is no right.
I think you are a terrorist.
Can I come search your home now? I need to get a a new linux box for free, so since I think you *maybe* a threat, I should allow myself to remove those weapons of mass addiction from you.
More seriously, it sounds like your last sentence defeats the purpose of your message...
I've been reading this thread for a while now and I notice there is something that everybody seems to forget:
-- How much is that going to cost your company when a major bug is uncovered, and because the code is so bad, there is no workaround without a major redesign? or it takes 3 times the time to fix because the code is terrible?
I myself ALWAYS apply the clean solution and I am still very successful in having others making a lot of money with my products, without me seeing much of it... I see people who apply quick and dirty solutions without much business pressure to do so as being "destructive youngsteers" - those never last more than one month in my team
The war between Europe and USA has just started
with a nice demonstration of american blindness
Derek,
I am amazed how your reaction is typical of the average american I deal with everyday.
Not a glimpse of education on the last century with that invincible feeling that you have saved the world and everybody is evil against you since September 11.
Get other it
You live in the usual paranoia that your governement feeds you daily with. That is sad
Only a small remark:
You seem to have forgotten Nixon in your list of corrupted presidents.
Did he ran for presidency twice or am I dreaming here?
Stop those arguments. Bot sides of the pond, politicians are all the same.
With a difference that Bush exposes an unusually low level of intelligence
(or impressive level of dumbness if you prefer it that way)
>>Does anyone actually have a Java program designed
>>to control of air traffic, or for the operation of
>>a nuclear facility?
I do. But I'm reluctant to release it to a production machine right now,
In case someone blows off my box thinking I am in violation of law by breathing oxygen while I code.
Sorry
Obviously you don't know any of what you cite.
Example:
How can you be sick of CSS since you dont even notice their existence from a "general public" point of view?
Slashdot in Perl? well..sorry but/. look is completely tasteless and crippled with far too many links. An example of those badly designed web sites aka "web pages that suck".
Trouble here is that you are getting frustrated because you are a hopeless so-called "programmer" that end up generating html code by using javascript to generate perl that generates html that end up with
You idiot
Most computing books are disappointing in that matter.
Last example was a few months ago: I thought I could start learning XSLT by buying a book...did that...ended up browsing the XSLT reference pages at www.zvon.org after 1 hour of boring reading.
I now use XSLT in my every day life... (true! I intend to XML-ize the content of my fridge for easier retrieval of outdated junk food
As some stated, it is the fact that the planes are PUT into motion and accelerate in different directions compared to each other (and compared to Earth) that makes up the difference.
The time difference observed is very small, but that's why they use atomic clocks - those toys are amazingly accurate.
As Earth, the sun, the solar system, and many of us turn around the center of the galaxy, we do not accelerate one compared to the other. So then, time is the same for us, and we don't "feel" that effect (just as you don't feel the fact that Earth does 360deg in 24h because you sit right on it).
All this creationist thing is abnoxiously wrong.
Stars would not have time to form in 7K years, speed of light is not the only way to measure this. Just as man was already homo-sapiens-sapiens 7K years ago, not dropped in "as is", that's not me, that's carbon 13 and all the skulls people find that say it.
Speed of light may vary, well, cool, that is kinda expectable anyway. Every theory varies with time too (but creationists....ok), and having the speed of light varying is part of a trend in physics where the guys want to vary the well known constants such as speed of light or gravity.
That's also a way to try to figure out why things are the way they are.
The light slow down could only happen in condition where you would not be able to think anyway - a few billion degrees, with a density a few billionth of billionth the current density of the universe - you would not be proton-sized yet.
Thank to the law of physics
Arbitrage is cool, but nature has no mercy;-)
I doubt that computers with good taste can be bought by people that buy Dion's CDs..
So, if your PC crashes and your CD firmware is corrupted, it's just because you deserve a lesson from your PC....or something...
2 amazing things here :
-- There's still people willing to do VB code in the 21th century
-- There's still people hiring for writing VB code in the 21th century.
Einstein lived in the 20th century...time goes backward as it seems...
It is EXACTLY that !
I have to add that they upgraded WWII sonars since, with long range detection, parametric arrays and stuff.
I think this generation of sonars are called "Pong"
You sound very lucky !
Your company pays VBA developers at CTO rate and your mother still calls you her son....
Why is that I'm paid nada writing Java using the latest technologies and my mum calls my "geeky" ?
Am I in the wrong business or what ?;-)
From all the opinions I've read so far, this sounds the closest to reality;-) Techies are not managers..
It is TRUE that, from a management point of view, techies should be considered high-level people, because it is what they are. Remember that job is done by techies, not by the management, and you cannot deny the fact that it is the people that DOES the job that KNOWS about it !
Are techies all Einsteins ? Definitely not, unfortunately not I should say. However, it seems that the goal of this book is to point out that you DO NOT manage techies the way you manage others. And it's even more true in computing. Moreover, the computer field is full of very talented people, those people that we call geeks, because they have a passion for computers and the will to spend their time doing this.
The actual amount of potential energy in those people is huge, and the book's (probably) about managing and focusing this energy to do good business in good intelligence with others.
Now, no surprise, I'm one of those "geeks", and often considered as an Einstein in my field. The summary of the book looked all good to me and definitely fits *my* situation, and definitely fits many situations I've seen in my 10 years long geek career. Like many others, I've too been offered managing positions (because I'm *soooo* good, blah blah...), but here's the whole point : I may be good at programming, my code may be very sexy, but managing has nothing to do with coding ! Most people do that step because they think they'll handle it the same way, but managing is a very different job, requires totally different skills, and moreover requires you to have a very good social contact with others...It's obvious that techies who spend 10 hours a day talking to their screen/iron solder/whatever lack the training for managing. Peter's principle applies very well in the computer business actually !
Anyway, I'm definitely going to buy this book and offer it to my manager;-)
My opinion is that, if you live in a country that allow companies to set such terms of agreement without violating your rights to express yourself, you should consider moving to another country....
It is very doubtful that M$ can actually defend this to court...
Slashdot Mirror
The right to freedom from illegal search and seizure except when someone thinks you may be a terrorist is no right.
I think you are a terrorist.Can I come search your home now?
sig. is feminine - problem fixedI need to get a a new linux box for free, so since I think you *maybe* a threat, I should allow myself to remove those weapons of mass addiction from you.
More seriously, it sounds like your last sentence defeats the purpose of your message...
I've been reading this thread for a while now and I notice there is something that everybody seems to forget:
-- How much is that going to cost your company when a major bug is uncovered, and because the code is so bad, there is no workaround without a major redesign? or it takes 3 times the time to fix because the code is terrible?
I myself ALWAYS apply the clean solution and I am still very successful in having others making a lot of money with my products, without me seeing much of it...
I see people who apply quick and dirty solutions without much business pressure to do so as being "destructive youngsteers" - those never last more than one month in my team
Don't tell me your program is bug free
At least the /. people make useful remarks, unlike you.
Oyez! Oyez!
The war between Europe and USA has just started with a nice demonstration of american blindness
Derek, I am amazed how your reaction is typical of the average american I deal with everyday. Not a glimpse of education on the last century with that invincible feeling that you have saved the world and everybody is evil against you since September 11.
Get other it
You live in the usual paranoia that your governement feeds you daily with. That is sad
Only a small remark: You seem to have forgotten Nixon in your list of corrupted presidents. Did he ran for presidency twice or am I dreaming here? Stop those arguments. Bot sides of the pond, politicians are all the same. With a difference that Bush exposes an unusually low level of intelligence (or impressive level of dumbness if you prefer it that way)
>>Does anyone actually have a Java program designed >>to control of air traffic, or for the operation of >>a nuclear facility? I do. But I'm reluctant to release it to a production machine right now, In case someone blows off my box thinking I am in violation of law by breathing oxygen while I code. Sorry
Obviously you don't know any of what you cite. Example: How can you be sick of CSS since you dont even notice their existence from a "general public" point of view? Slashdot in Perl? well..sorry but /. look is completely tasteless and crippled with far too many links. An example of those badly designed web sites aka "web pages that suck".
Trouble here is that you are getting frustrated because you are a hopeless so-called "programmer" that end up generating html code by using javascript to generate perl that generates html that end up with
You idiot
Yup...this comes too late: just after I finished switching my 3 home boxes from Win2K to Linux... What was I doing with Overdows 2K anyway?
Yes...
Most computing books are disappointing in that matter.
Last example was a few months ago:
I thought I could start learning XSLT by buying a book...did that...ended up browsing the XSLT reference pages at www.zvon.org after 1 hour of boring reading.
I now use XSLT in my every day life...
(true! I intend to XML-ize the content of my fridge for easier retrieval of outdated junk food
As some stated, it is the fact that the planes are PUT into motion and accelerate in different directions compared to each other (and compared to Earth) that makes up the difference. The time difference observed is very small, but that's why they use atomic clocks - those toys are amazingly accurate. As Earth, the sun, the solar system, and many of us turn around the center of the galaxy, we do not accelerate one compared to the other. So then, time is the same for us, and we don't "feel" that effect (just as you don't feel the fact that Earth does 360deg in 24h because you sit right on it).
All this creationist thing is abnoxiously wrong. Stars would not have time to form in 7K years, speed of light is not the only way to measure this. Just as man was already homo-sapiens-sapiens 7K years ago, not dropped in "as is", that's not me, that's carbon 13 and all the skulls people find that say it. Speed of light may vary, well, cool, that is kinda expectable anyway. Every theory varies with time too (but creationists....ok), and having the speed of light varying is part of a trend in physics where the guys want to vary the well known constants such as speed of light or gravity. That's also a way to try to figure out why things are the way they are. The light slow down could only happen in condition where you would not be able to think anyway - a few billion degrees, with a density a few billionth of billionth the current density of the universe - you would not be proton-sized yet. Thank to the law of physics Arbitrage is cool, but nature has no mercy ;-)
I doubt that computers with good taste can be bought by people that buy Dion's CDs.. So, if your PC crashes and your CD firmware is corrupted, it's just because you deserve a lesson from your PC....or something...
2 amazing things here : -- There's still people willing to do VB code in the 21th century -- There's still people hiring for writing VB code in the 21th century. Einstein lived in the 20th century...time goes backward as it seems...
It is EXACTLY that ! I have to add that they upgraded WWII sonars since, with long range detection, parametric arrays and stuff. I think this generation of sonars are called "Pong"
You sound very lucky ! Your company pays VBA developers at CTO rate and your mother still calls you her son.... Why is that I'm paid nada writing Java using the latest technologies and my mum calls my "geeky" ? Am I in the wrong business or what ? ;-)
From all the opinions I've read so far, this sounds the closest to reality ;-) Techies are not managers..
;-)
It is TRUE that, from a management point of view, techies should be considered high-level people, because it is what they are. Remember that job is done by techies, not by the management, and you cannot deny the fact that it is the people that DOES the job that KNOWS about it !
Are techies all Einsteins ? Definitely not, unfortunately not I should say.
However, it seems that the goal of this book is to point out that you DO NOT manage techies the way you manage others. And it's even more true in computing.
Moreover, the computer field is full of very talented people, those people that we call geeks, because they have a passion for computers and the will to spend their time doing this.
The actual amount of potential energy in those people is huge, and the book's (probably) about managing and focusing this energy to do good business in good intelligence with others.
Now, no surprise, I'm one of those "geeks", and often considered as an Einstein in my field.
The summary of the book looked all good to me and definitely fits *my* situation, and definitely fits many situations I've seen in my 10 years long geek career.
Like many others, I've too been offered managing positions (because I'm *soooo* good, blah blah...), but here's the whole point : I may be good at programming, my code may be very sexy, but managing has nothing to do with coding ! Most people do that step because they think they'll handle it the same way, but managing is a very different job, requires totally different skills, and moreover requires you to have a very good social contact with others...It's obvious that techies who spend 10 hours a day talking to their screen/iron solder/whatever lack the training for managing.
Peter's principle applies very well in the computer business actually !
Anyway, I'm definitely going to buy this book and offer it to my manager
My opinion is that, if you live in a country that allow companies to set such terms of agreement without violating your rights to express yourself, you should consider moving to another country.... It is very doubtful that M$ can actually defend this to court...