I've been using the cvs version ever since I heard that konqueror supported tabbed browsing:) Now I'm no longer using mozilla, since it doesn't start quite as fast as konqueror and the tabs where the only thing better about it (that and the antialiased fonts in konqueror look much better).
There are lots of (small) improvements in the kde code that make the whole environment a real joy to use. Kde 3.1 is a great thing to look forward for.
This is what combreloc is for.
It's used automatically if you have binutils 2.12.x installed on you system (2.12.x is considered beta, but I haven't had any problems yet).
Is that galeon, as in gnome-and-mozilla-libraries-using galeon?
Not that I have any problems with gnome, but if I can get the same features and avoid installing yet another pile of libraries, then why not use the cvs version of konqueror?
Tabs where the only reason I still had mozilla installed on my system (that, and the 0.5% sites konqueror has problems with), now that konqueror has them, there's no reason to keep those on my system any longer.
What I described here is something only the administrator/package provider (distros) ever has to deal with. A regular user does not need to know anything about all this stuff.
Are you claiming that all the users on your campus install Win2K or the macs? I'm sure they don't, and I'm also sure that for many it would not be possible.
You only need to do all this just one time, and then make images to install on other computers.
And most administrators would problably never need to do this, since you could just use the defaults your distro provides to you.
Please don't confuse the (relative) difficulty of setting up a system with the actual difficulty of using the system
If you really are willing to compile everything from scratch, you should take a look at Gentoo
It uses a ports based system that automatically resolves all dependencies between packages.
I once used a linuxfromscratch, but it took to much time to keep up to date/install.
With gentoo, you barely have to intervene with the install proces: I could do "emerge kde" on a system with nothing installed, and a few hours (ok , almost a day:) later, all the needed libraries, X,... would be installed
No, it does that automatically.
Here are the instructions I followed (found on gentoo mailiglist), they are targetted for the gentoo distro, but you could follow similar steps on any system:
--------
The install: (important parts marked with *)
===========
1) set up Gentoo 1.1a w/stage3 per install docs
2) installed kernel-2.4.19-r4, preempt, lowlatency
3) *important: merged binutils-2.12+ in order to take advantage of
combreloc (but built kernel with 2.11 beforehand just to be safe)
4) *USE flags="-march=i686 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
Many people use a lot of crazy optimizations, but the only one to me
that makes a noticable difference in "feel" is -fomit-frame-pointer,
and I don't need to debug my system so its all good.
4) *rebuilt glibc with new binutils installed
5) finish install per docs. (I use metalog, and lilo instead of grub)
6) reboot
7) use hdparm to make sure DMA is enabled
8) you now have a Gentoo system ready to build apps with the combreloc
tweak (you can test this by running apps with 'LD_DEBUG=statistics'
and checking the relocations)
9) build X, kdebase, kdenetwork, mozilla, vim, etc... (doesn't matter)
10) *add fam to start on boot (allows KDE to track files quicker)
11) *add your hostname to/etc/hosts (if it's not already there)
After doing all of this, I can notice a HUGE difference in speed. KDE is
very very fast..apps pop up instantly, and it is no less stable
then before. Konqueror is definately faster than IE6 on Win2k..just
amazing! Overall, I would give KDE3 a 95% stability rating.
Anyways, I'm just sharing my experience. You may or may not have the same
results, email me if you have questions. Remember that reiserfs has been known
to cause corruption for some, and the binutils-2.12 is considered experimental,
but for me it's been all good so far.
What version are you running?
I'm using KDE3 (from CVS, wanted the tabs in konqueror:), in itself already fadter than 2.2.x , compiled with GCC3.1 and the newest binutils (2.12.90.0.7).
That version supports combreloc, wich makes the linker perform much better (does some kind of prelinking), wich causes C++ programs like KDE to startup much faster (starting konqueror now takes about a second or so)
You can prefer plain-text over HTML, enable HTML but not letting it pull external resources (webbugs, images,...) or just accept it al. You can also enable HTML on a folder basis, wich is nice for some legit HTML newsletters I recieve
If I want to run App A, later install App B. App B shouldn't be able to change App A unless that is what is advertised to do.
Guess you never read this sentence huh? All the things you mentioned would fall under the "advertised to" category.
That's exactly what my cable isp here in belgium does.
There's even a separate nntp server for binaries.
In the beginning there were no caps at all but over time they started limiting to 10 GB / month and 16Kb upstream:(
It started out without caps, than uncapped on internal traffic only and now just the 10 GB (wich is more than enough for most users)
These parties do NOT question the capitalistism, they only strive for social corrections within the system (in wich they're not very succesfull but that's another story).
Did you notice the last piece of the article about laptops? It says "Operating system: windows" I never knew that laptops couldn't run linux:) No seriously, what ignoramus wrote that article?
During the 70's Europe suffered from many terrorist attacks from diverse groups such as the German RAF (Rote Armee Fraction), Carlos the Jackal and his group, right-wing extremists in Italy,... .
Now in almost every country in Europe, there already was a national id-card.
So according to your logic, this never could have happened.
But you should consider that these people had no problems travelling trough Europe because they had *grasp* false id-cards. On many occasions where one could apprehend these terrorists, they often found different fake ID-cards from different countries on them.
Nowadays you could say, we put them all in a large database and check that database everytime someone eg. checks in a plane, but how do you handle foreign ID-cards? I don't think that an international ID-card database will happen the first century.
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Now I'm no longer using mozilla, since it doesn't start quite as fast as konqueror and the tabs where the only thing better about it (that and the antialiased fonts in konqueror look much better).
There are lots of (small) improvements in the kde code that make the whole environment a real joy to use.
Kde 3.1 is a great thing to look forward for.
This is what combreloc is for.
It's used automatically if you have binutils 2.12.x installed on you system (2.12.x is considered beta, but I haven't had any problems yet).
I never had any problems since I switched formats
I think you need the kmail from >=KDE3 though.
Not that I have any problems with gnome, but if I can get the same features and avoid installing yet another pile of libraries, then why not use the cvs version of konqueror?
Tabs where the only reason I still had mozilla installed on my system (that, and the 0.5% sites konqueror has problems with), now that konqueror has them, there's no reason to keep those on my system any longer.
What I described here is something only the administrator/package provider (distros) ever has to deal with.
A regular user does not need to know anything about all this stuff.
Are you claiming that all the users on your campus install Win2K or the macs?
I'm sure they don't, and I'm also sure that for many it would not be possible.
You only need to do all this just one time, and then make images to install on other computers.
And most administrators would problably never need to do this, since you could just use the defaults your distro provides to you.
Please don't confuse the (relative) difficulty of setting up a system with the actual difficulty of using the system
It uses a ports based system that automatically resolves all dependencies between packages.
I once used a linuxfromscratch, but it took to much time to keep up to date/install.
With gentoo, you barely have to intervene with the install proces: I could do "emerge kde" on a system with nothing installed, and a few hours (ok , almost a day :) later, all the needed libraries, X, ... would be installed
--------
The install: (important parts marked with *) /etc/hosts (if it's not already there)
===========
1) set up Gentoo 1.1a w/stage3 per install docs
2) installed kernel-2.4.19-r4, preempt, lowlatency
3) *important: merged binutils-2.12+ in order to take advantage of combreloc (but built kernel with 2.11 beforehand just to be safe)
4) *USE flags="-march=i686 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" Many people use a lot of crazy optimizations, but the only one to me that makes a noticable difference in "feel" is -fomit-frame-pointer, and I don't need to debug my system so its all good.
4) *rebuilt glibc with new binutils installed
5) finish install per docs. (I use metalog, and lilo instead of grub)
6) reboot
7) use hdparm to make sure DMA is enabled
8) you now have a Gentoo system ready to build apps with the combreloc tweak (you can test this by running apps with 'LD_DEBUG=statistics' and checking the relocations)
9) build X, kdebase, kdenetwork, mozilla, vim, etc... (doesn't matter)
10) *add fam to start on boot (allows KDE to track files quicker)
11) *add your hostname to
After doing all of this, I can notice a HUGE difference in speed. KDE is very very fast..apps pop up instantly, and it is no less stable then before. Konqueror is definately faster than IE6 on Win2k..just amazing! Overall, I would give KDE3 a 95% stability rating.
Anyways, I'm just sharing my experience. You may or may not have the same results, email me if you have questions. Remember that reiserfs has been known to cause corruption for some, and the binutils-2.12 is considered experimental, but for me it's been all good so far.
------------------Not on my computer it isn't (PIII 600 192MB)
What version are you running? :), in itself already fadter than 2.2.x , compiled with GCC3.1 and the newest binutils (2.12.90.0.7).
I'm using KDE3 (from CVS, wanted the tabs in konqueror
That version supports combreloc, wich makes the linker perform much better (does some kind of prelinking), wich causes C++ programs like KDE to startup much faster (starting konqueror now takes about a second or so)
KMail allows you to do that:
You can prefer plain-text over HTML, enable HTML but not letting it pull external resources (webbugs, images,...) or just accept it al. You can also enable HTML on a folder basis, wich is nice for some legit HTML newsletters I recieve
How can you say that amazon.com is delivering a free service? You're buying books from them.
What do you think amazon does? That it's just a giant catalog of books/cd's/whatever, and when you order stuff, you get it straight from the authors?
If I want to run App A, later install App B. App B shouldn't be able to change App A unless that is what is advertised to do. Guess you never read this sentence huh? All the things you mentioned would fall under the "advertised to" category.
from the gratuitous-promotion dept.
;)
Or you sure it's just that or are the ads alone not bringing in enough money?
hehe,they changed it now(16:05 CET)
Please tell me the name of the president of the UK then :)
The UK is a constitutional monarchy.
That's exactly what my cable isp here in belgium does. :(
There's even a separate nntp server for binaries.
In the beginning there were no caps at all but over time they started limiting to 10 GB / month and 16Kb upstream
It started out without caps, than uncapped on internal traffic only and now just the 10 GB (wich is more than enough for most users)
These parties do NOT question the capitalistism, they only strive for social corrections within the system (in wich they're not very succesfull but that's another story).
As you can read on the website, it detects win apps you have installed on your pc and adds the ones it can run to the startmenu.
Did you notice the last piece of the article about laptops? :)
It says "Operating system: windows"
I never knew that laptops couldn't run linux
No seriously, what ignoramus wrote that article?
And then you would see a law that considers al these things as terrorist acts, because only a terrorist would need to do such things.
That's so stupid, it's not even funny anymore.
During the 70's Europe suffered from many terrorist attacks from diverse groups such as the German RAF (Rote Armee Fraction), Carlos the Jackal and his group, right-wing extremists in Italy,... .
Now in almost every country in Europe, there already was a national id-card.
So according to your logic, this never could have happened.
But you should consider that these people had no problems travelling trough Europe because they had *grasp* false id-cards. On many occasions where one could apprehend these terrorists, they often found different fake ID-cards from different countries on them.
Nowadays you could say, we put them all in a large database and check that database everytime someone eg. checks in a plane, but how do you handle foreign ID-cards? I don't think that an international ID-card database will happen the first century.
Cant get /much/ worse than right now (al teast I really hope so)
Ever heard of satire???
The funniest article I ever read was "Is your son a hacker?".
And the people reacting to such nonsense are even funnier.
It is NOT a goatse link, don't worry, the parent is just a troll
There isn't such a thing as the "Amsterdam Legal system".
:)
Amsterdam is just a city in the Netherlands (aka Holland).
There are city laws, but I doubt there's anything in there about P2P's
sounds good but is already taken:
[cxvx@laptop pkgs]$ whois winlin.com
Registrant:
WINLIN (WINLIN2-DOM)
Grane Stenkyrka
TINGSTAEDE SWEDEN, TINGSTAEDE SWEDEN
SE
Domain Name: WINLIN.COM