So if your younger brother was in the same situation as their daughter then you'd blame your parents for his suicide?
Yes.
A person doesn't go from normal yesterday to suicidal today without some noticeable change over time. I believe a big talking point here is that the daughter was depressed over how kids in school treated her. She had been traumatized there -- and why aren't we throwing a fit about the school's responsibility? Maybe if they had put an end to her being picked on there she wouldn't have been in such a fragile state of mind?
Fact is, if that argument was made, I'd still discount it and go for the "parental-responsibility angle". We're responsible if our minor children commit a crime, aren't we?
Most people who are severely depressed actually hide their feelings from others, which includes not letting people know they are suicidal. Have a quick read of things like Black Dog Institute to catch up to the rest of the world.
You assume too much -- I was in quite a deep period of depression during college; I dropped out of classes, ran up credit cards, gambled myself broke, ate myself 100lbs heaver, the whole slew of it. I refer to it as my "dark time", and I did indeed hide it the best I could from anyone who might have cared.
But I have to say, anyone who knew me before the "dark time" and saw me during.. forgive my harshness, but they would have had to have been exceptionally dense not to know that _something_ was going on.
Anyways, my point is that Good Parents don't always have good kids
This is a nature-vs-nurture argument; you clearly fall on the side of nature. We could fill an entire/. thread with arguments on this one, so I'll just respectfully disagree with you on this one and leave it at that (my belief: 80% nurture).
most teenagers these days won't let their parents into their life.
From my experience as a teenager -- not THAT long ago -- and experience with my younger brother's circle, I don't find this to be the norm. That argument aside, you don't have to be privy to every ounce of your teenager's life to know when something is up. Let me flip your statement back on to you as a question: do you have kids or are you around teenagers at all? Coming home from college to visit my family when my brother was firmly in middle of adolescence made one thing extremely clear: you might know the day-to-days, but you absolutely do know the mood. I don't know that anyone can argue that point with honesty.
I guess your mom would kick you out of her basement if you were rebellious, so I can't expect you to understand.
0/10 troll (a mom's basement joke? that's really the best you could do?) -- BUT, I will say this: I *was* rebellious, pretty hardcore in my teens. My parents made unending attempts to stay involved -- even when I didn't want them there and would say so as callously as possible. Bottom line, they just loved me. When they knew they wouldn't penetrate what was in my "deep, tortured" teenage mind (lol), they just loved on me. And I'd say I turned out alright.
The case against a mother who posed as a teenage boy to harass another teen online, in the process driving her to suicide
This is so eff'd in the A I don't even know where to start. If someone harasses you IRL, who do you blame? The... air that carried their words to your ears? Far be it from me to seem like a d-bag in the face of a teenage suicide, but blaming someone else for it is completely and utterly retarded.
It's high-damn-time we look parents straight in their pie-stuffed me-first faces and say "Take some goddamn responsibility." If your child -- YOUR CHILD -- was depressed enough to commit suicide, how could you not know?
Oh, that's right, you were too busy watching Dancing With the Stars and reruns of Monk to pay attention. GG, parents, the blood is on your hands.
lolwut
I'm in a mid-level guild on the last phase of Illidan, and a Duelist (in-game definition), and I can say with certainty that the entire game -- PvP, PvE, Tradeskills, all of it -- is a grind.
You old-timers might remember the Rank 14 grind. A Field Marshall friend of mine played from 7am-8pm all summer long to get Rank 14. If that isn't a grind, I don't know what is.
Now, we grind BGs for honor gear. Same thing. It's something like just under 80k honor for the full offset, and a 20 minute AV win will net you 500 honor if you're lucky (and MAYBE 200 for a loss). Do the math.
Even if the only raid you've done is KZ, I can confirm that it doesn't get any better for progression. I think Hyjal is still around a 3-hour clear for us, despite being on Illidan.
I still dig it -- it's a social thing for me. My irl brother lives 5 hours away and we hang out and level new toons, play BGs, and just chat in-game. I have a few IRL friends I do the same with. Look, life is a grind -- go to work, make money, spend money, start over. We still (generally) enjoy that.
(And yes - I understand they system has changed now that BC is out and it is better - but what do you do...)
Let me emphatically tell you that it is NOT better.
I was in a Hyjal/BT guild for some time, and it's more of the same. When I first hit 70 and ground Kara over and over and over, I figured, "Man, Tier 6 content must be so much better and interesting than this stupid grind!!"
It's not.
It is EXACTLY the same, and generally BT (and Archi in Hyjal) is even harder -- as expected, but artificially so. If one person in your 25-man screws up, you're all dead. Any person, any class. Full wipe.
Thankfully, I really like PvP. I gave up endgame raiding for Arenas and battlegrounds. Still a grind, yes, but at least it's on my terms now... I only grind when *I* want to, not when 24 other people say I should.
I think they meant to write "browses". Could have been a typo (the E and R are right next to each other), could have been a brain fart linked to muscle memory, but I really doubt someone's trying to introduce "browsers" as a verb.
This is an oversimplification. How much did their producer get? Their manager? Attorneys and accountants? Other support crew? In the traditional model, the label pays these people and recoups the cost from that $6m (or however much). Now, they have to do it.
It's cut out the "intermediaries" (well, aside from the payment processing people, hosting company, bandwidth providers, et. al.), but it isn't as if they're splitting $6m between themselves.
I live in a metro area of California, have a B.A. from the UC, am in my mid-20s with no kids/wife/mortgage, have been building web sites and learning web technology for 10 years, give or take, and am one of the more sociable, agreeable nerds I know. I have 5 years of hands-on LAMP/js/css/Flash/AS experience (as in, got paid to do some work for someone)
I make $45k.
At least it's up from my first post-college job at Clear Channel Radio -- that was $43k.
The problem is the guy right above me in the reply thread: the people who decide salaries think web "design" isn't hard. Everyone knows a kid down the street who builds web sites. So you take a job doing something you like and make just enough to stay afloat and take your girl to a movie once a month, or you rage against the machine and let the next starving college kid come in and take that money.
Whoa there, cowboy. I see by your UID that you're probably an old-timer, so let me explain to you how things work now-a-days.
sorry web design is not nearly as difficult as many make it out to be.
Making a web page for your mom's cat? Sure, not a difficult thing. Creating slashcode? Drupal development? SQL architecture? That's worth more than $60k.
"Web pages are not critical", are you for real? You might not have seen this, but sites like MySpace, Friendster, et. al. are making more money than many "real" programs on "mainframes".
zomg, I think I just got trolled. I tip my hat to you, sir.
For what it's worth, it's actually Arbitron that calculates the estimated size of the listening audience. There are no -- so far as I know -- recording devices that track what people listen to on the radio.
The Portable People Meter is being rolled out now (top 50 markets by 2010, so they say) which will do something close to what you are talking about.
I saw a reply to you that said you missed the point, but I think he misunderstood yours. I don't think it's as big of a problem as you make it out to be though. Radio markets are gross approximations by nature. The station pays royalties based on its *market size*, not actual listenership (If I ran a station that could theoretically reach 500,000 people, but in actuality it only reaches 10, I still pay the 500k rate).
Moreover [. . . ] the copyright in the letter has not been registered.
IIRC, copyright doesn't need to be registered. Demonstrable evidence that that person who claims ownership/copyright is sufficient (see: poor man's copyright -- not the best example, but the line of thinking I'm going with)
Aside from that, save the arguments for the judge, imo. Corporate attorneys don't care about your "logic" and "laws", they're slaves to the suits above them just like any other corporate worker (*gasp* there are suits ABOVE lawyers?!?!?!)
Ok, so this is too late to be modded, and fairly off-topic, but can I say for the record that my new pet peeve is when people qualify a time range with "at least"? What, exactly, does "at least a day to a week" MEAN?! does it mean:
At least a day; at most a week?
at least, a day to a week (the interval can be no shorter than 7 days; compare: "6 days to a week and 6 days")?
On top of being lazy, this lets people give bizarre and ill-defined deadlines -- what would you do if your mechanic said your car would be ready in "at least a day to a week"?
I can't tell if you're being a little snarky or not, but I wanted to add anyway. I worked in a copy center for a number of years, and copy and paste (the manual kind) is more common in non-professional publishing than one might think.
A few tips, while we're at it: don't worry about getting the seams glued down. They'll show up anyway -- lighten the document, or if your copier supports it, decrease the contrast and increase the brightness. If you're working on a relatively recent and well-kept copier, you can simply tape down the edges rather than use glue at all. Make sure your hands are clean, or the tape will lift the dirt right off of them and appear on your paper. Double-sided tape works well, also.
A good technique for storage is to use *removable* tape to lay out your template, make a copy on an *analog* copier (if you can find a good one) to get a real nice, defined master, and keep that (remove your actual masters from the template - removable tape, remember - and store them in a sheet protector to keep them together. Make your photocopies on a newfangled digital printer from your "analog" master.
Working in a copy shop was some of the most fun I had as a youngster. It's surprisingly gratifying to manipulate documents with your hands and instruct the machine to create your finished product.
Oh, and about the glue on the platen -- goo gone works wonders. I've never seen a platen I couldn't clean;)
Well, instead of telling all the "cool" things you do to the folks on Slashdot (who are less than impressed with bars, sports, dates, and - to a lesser degree - "being social"), you can tell all your classmates, former classmates, friends, and coworkers about it.
It's like an e-peen about real life: "Hey everybody! Look at all the awesome stuff I'm doing IRL!! Aren't I awesome!!!two!11"
By the look of your post, it doesn't seem like you're missing anything at all -- just not for the reason you imply;)
Slashdot Mirror
Yes.
A person doesn't go from normal yesterday to suicidal today without some noticeable change over time. I believe a big talking point here is that the daughter was depressed over how kids in school treated her. She had been traumatized there -- and why aren't we throwing a fit about the school's responsibility? Maybe if they had put an end to her being picked on there she wouldn't have been in such a fragile state of mind?
Fact is, if that argument was made, I'd still discount it and go for the "parental-responsibility angle". We're responsible if our minor children commit a crime, aren't we?
There's already a mechanism for dealing with this, it's called a restraining order.
You assume too much -- I was in quite a deep period of depression during college; I dropped out of classes, ran up credit cards, gambled myself broke, ate myself 100lbs heaver, the whole slew of it. I refer to it as my "dark time", and I did indeed hide it the best I could from anyone who might have cared.
But I have to say, anyone who knew me before the "dark time" and saw me during.. forgive my harshness, but they would have had to have been exceptionally dense not to know that _something_ was going on.
This is a nature-vs-nurture argument; you clearly fall on the side of nature. We could fill an entire /. thread with arguments on this one, so I'll just respectfully disagree with you on this one and leave it at that (my belief: 80% nurture).
From my experience as a teenager -- not THAT long ago -- and experience with my younger brother's circle, I don't find this to be the norm. That argument aside, you don't have to be privy to every ounce of your teenager's life to know when something is up. Let me flip your statement back on to you as a question: do you have kids or are you around teenagers at all? Coming home from college to visit my family when my brother was firmly in middle of adolescence made one thing extremely clear: you might know the day-to-days, but you absolutely do know the mood. I don't know that anyone can argue that point with honesty.
0/10 troll (a mom's basement joke? that's really the best you could do?) -- BUT, I will say this: I *was* rebellious, pretty hardcore in my teens. My parents made unending attempts to stay involved -- even when I didn't want them there and would say so as callously as possible. Bottom line, they just loved me. When they knew they wouldn't penetrate what was in my "deep, tortured" teenage mind (lol), they just loved on me. And I'd say I turned out alright.
How do you characterize her behavior?
...Can you point me to the law that makes it illegal to be a bitch? I really don't get it.
Asshole-ish? Dickish? Immature? Sociopathic?
impractical != impossible
Tell me, what IS the punishment for the assholish behaviour when the medium is snail-mail?
Wait... wait, you're saying that there's a punishment for being an asshole?
I assume by "case" you mean "behavior".
What kind of behavior are you considering outlawing here? Being a dick? You want to outlaw being a dick on the internet?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA
This is so eff'd in the A I don't even know where to start. If someone harasses you IRL, who do you blame? The... air that carried their words to your ears? Far be it from me to seem like a d-bag in the face of a teenage suicide, but blaming someone else for it is completely and utterly retarded.
It's high-damn-time we look parents straight in their pie-stuffed me-first faces and say "Take some goddamn responsibility." If your child -- YOUR CHILD -- was depressed enough to commit suicide, how could you not know?
Oh, that's right, you were too busy watching Dancing With the Stars and reruns of Monk to pay attention. GG, parents, the blood is on your hands.
lolwut
I'm in a mid-level guild on the last phase of Illidan, and a Duelist (in-game definition), and I can say with certainty that the entire game -- PvP, PvE, Tradeskills, all of it -- is a grind.
You old-timers might remember the Rank 14 grind. A Field Marshall friend of mine played from 7am-8pm all summer long to get Rank 14. If that isn't a grind, I don't know what is.
Now, we grind BGs for honor gear. Same thing. It's something like just under 80k honor for the full offset, and a 20 minute AV win will net you 500 honor if you're lucky (and MAYBE 200 for a loss). Do the math.
Even if the only raid you've done is KZ, I can confirm that it doesn't get any better for progression. I think Hyjal is still around a 3-hour clear for us, despite being on Illidan.
I still dig it -- it's a social thing for me. My irl brother lives 5 hours away and we hang out and level new toons, play BGs, and just chat in-game. I have a few IRL friends I do the same with. Look, life is a grind -- go to work, make money, spend money, start over. We still (generally) enjoy that.
Haha, nice work. My brother and I used to play Bad Dudes on the NES when I was, like, 10 years old.
(for those wondering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Dudes )
Bah. 13k hp, 493 resil, and jackass rogues in quest/dungeon blues can stunlock me to ineffectiveness if they're skilled.
1850+ 2v2 teams, so I'm not *that* terrible.
I was in a Hyjal/BT guild for some time, and it's more of the same. When I first hit 70 and ground Kara over and over and over, I figured, "Man, Tier 6 content must be so much better and interesting than this stupid grind!!"
It's not.
It is EXACTLY the same, and generally BT (and Archi in Hyjal) is even harder -- as expected, but artificially so. If one person in your 25-man screws up, you're all dead. Any person, any class. Full wipe.
Thankfully, I really like PvP. I gave up endgame raiding for Arenas and battlegrounds. Still a grind, yes, but at least it's on my terms now... I only grind when *I* want to, not when 24 other people say I should.
In Soviet 2006. . . ?
I think they meant to write "browses". Could have been a typo (the E and R are right next to each other), could have been a brain fart linked to muscle memory, but I really doubt someone's trying to introduce "browsers" as a verb.
This is an oversimplification. How much did their producer get? Their manager? Attorneys and accountants? Other support crew? In the traditional model, the label pays these people and recoups the cost from that $6m (or however much). Now, they have to do it.
It's cut out the "intermediaries" (well, aside from the payment processing people, hosting company, bandwidth providers, et. al.), but it isn't as if they're splitting $6m between themselves.
I live in a metro area of California, have a B.A. from the UC, am in my mid-20s with no kids/wife/mortgage, have been building web sites and learning web technology for 10 years, give or take, and am one of the more sociable, agreeable nerds I know. I have 5 years of hands-on LAMP/js/css/Flash/AS experience (as in, got paid to do some work for someone)
I make $45k.
At least it's up from my first post-college job at Clear Channel Radio -- that was $43k.
The problem is the guy right above me in the reply thread: the people who decide salaries think web "design" isn't hard. Everyone knows a kid down the street who builds web sites. So you take a job doing something you like and make just enough to stay afloat and take your girl to a movie once a month, or you rage against the machine and let the next starving college kid come in and take that money.
Whatever.
"Web pages are not critical", are you for real? You might not have seen this, but sites like MySpace, Friendster, et. al. are making more money than many "real" programs on "mainframes".
zomg, I think I just got trolled. I tip my hat to you, sir.
For what it's worth, it's actually Arbitron that calculates the estimated size of the listening audience. There are no -- so far as I know -- recording devices that track what people listen to on the radio.
The Portable People Meter is being rolled out now (top 50 markets by 2010, so they say) which will do something close to what you are talking about.
I saw a reply to you that said you missed the point, but I think he misunderstood yours. I don't think it's as big of a problem as you make it out to be though. Radio markets are gross approximations by nature. The station pays royalties based on its *market size*, not actual listenership (If I ran a station that could theoretically reach 500,000 people, but in actuality it only reaches 10, I still pay the 500k rate).
Yes, I used to work in radio. It's a racket.
Aside from that, save the arguments for the judge, imo. Corporate attorneys don't care about your "logic" and "laws", they're slaves to the suits above them just like any other corporate worker (*gasp* there are suits ABOVE lawyers?!?!?!)
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At least a day; at most a week?
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at least, a day to a week (the interval can be no shorter than 7 days; compare: "6 days to a week and 6 days")?
On top of being lazy, this lets people give bizarre and ill-defined deadlines -- what would you do if your mechanic said your car would be ready in "at least a day to a week"?I can't tell if you're being a little snarky or not, but I wanted to add anyway. I worked in a copy center for a number of years, and copy and paste (the manual kind) is more common in non-professional publishing than one might think.
;)
A few tips, while we're at it: don't worry about getting the seams glued down. They'll show up anyway -- lighten the document, or if your copier supports it, decrease the contrast and increase the brightness. If you're working on a relatively recent and well-kept copier, you can simply tape down the edges rather than use glue at all. Make sure your hands are clean, or the tape will lift the dirt right off of them and appear on your paper. Double-sided tape works well, also.
A good technique for storage is to use *removable* tape to lay out your template, make a copy on an *analog* copier (if you can find a good one) to get a real nice, defined master, and keep that (remove your actual masters from the template - removable tape, remember - and store them in a sheet protector to keep them together. Make your photocopies on a newfangled digital printer from your "analog" master.
Working in a copy shop was some of the most fun I had as a youngster. It's surprisingly gratifying to manipulate documents with your hands and instruct the machine to create your finished product.
Oh, and about the glue on the platen -- goo gone works wonders. I've never seen a platen I couldn't clean
Well, instead of telling all the "cool" things you do to the folks on Slashdot (who are less than impressed with bars, sports, dates, and - to a lesser degree - "being social"), you can tell all your classmates, former classmates, friends, and coworkers about it.
;)
It's like an e-peen about real life: "Hey everybody! Look at all the awesome stuff I'm doing IRL!! Aren't I awesome!!!two!11"
By the look of your post, it doesn't seem like you're missing anything at all -- just not for the reason you imply