I know you're trolling (and cowardly, at that), but I'll bite. I don't work in Rochester. Each Division is an individual entity, and handles management, equipment and resources differently. All I know is that sort of thing doesn't happen up here. YMMV.
That 20 days to port the number has nothing to do with TimeWarner. That delay is ALL on Vonage's side. We request the number, they take 20 days to give it to us. Frontier takes 14, and sells your number first. Verizon takes 7 (11 if you have DSL).
And the price for digital phone isn't meant to compete with Vonage. It's competing with the local telcos, where it is provably cheaper.
I work for TimeWarner cable. We've got the digital phone product (not true voip, btw, but voip thru the cable system before it's handed off to Sprint). We are happy to port numbers from other providers... the "normal" is 7 business days to get the number from Verizon. It takes TWENTY business days to port a number from Vonage. That's a full calendar MONTH. And they have the balls to bitch about telcos dragging their feet??
At least they don't do what Frontier (smaller local telco in upstate NY) does; Give/Sell your number to telemarketers before porting it! Nothing like a little "fuck you!" as you leave them...
When your empty, parked car rolls down a hill and damages a house, aren't you still liable?
Ahh.. but this is not the same.... this is more like; you park your car on the street and leave the keys in it. Someone comes up, hops in and drives off with your car, then uses it to smash into a bank.
you are not responsible for their commiting a crime, whether they did it with your car or not.
Yes, you're an idiot for leaving your keys in it, but you are not commiting the crime. the person that stole your car is.
Ahh... the never ending stream of "computer is like a car" analogies...
Sibling post to me is correct. I see this problem in both FF at home and work, and IE at work. all the apostrophe's are showing as ?'s They've got bad code.
I am a BlueFrog user, and I did NOT receive any email like this. So either; 1. The spammer is full of crap. 2. They spammed every address they already have as a scare tactic. (see #1) 3. they broke SOME of the database, which is not good.
So why is none of this "proof" posted or printed anywhere for any one else to see? IANAA, but the images presented on the website don't look "man-made" to me. And anyone who has seen erosion tunnels can tell what made that hole in the ground; water. Look at that soil, it's not rock. It's an amalgamation of dirt and small stones. See how the stones have collected near the center depression of the "tunnel"? Go look at a dried up creekbed, you'll see the same thing. If a person built that tunnel, would he leave all those annoying rocks right in the middle where his hands and knees are going to go? Not likely.
Someone needs to go back to school... Humans have not been around for anywhere near 100 million years.
The longest estimates have humans as a species (Homo Sapiens) arriving around 50 thousand years ago. Some early hominids may have existed as much as 700 thousand years ago. But even that is fraction of what you suggest.
Mildly off topic, but I just saw a standup show from Carlos Mencia last night on Comedy Central. Besides being fucking hysterical, one of his main points was just what you said; You want equal rights, then don't complain when we treat you just like everyone else.
The point of this is so that you can use your cell phone when you are NOT in range of the cell network... So having the phone always connect to the cell network defeats one of the main purposes of this technology.
FireFury03 already gave a more clear explanation of what I was trying to say.
And I just realized that my comment doesn't really address your real concern; that the internet carriers are going to want a piece of the pie for carrying data for the cell phone carriers. The upside is that many of them are owned by the same people, eg. Cingular is owned by ATT & BellSouth. Verizon is, well, Verizon.
Although it's mentioned in the article that "internet minutes" may be cheaper that "cell tower" minutes because wifi radio spectrum and the internet are cheaper than running cell towers.
But the problem comes when you're not at home. Pop down to the coffee shop and start talking on your cell phone using the wifi hotspot. You pay the cell company less... but who pays the internet bill for your cell traffic?
Sounds like a new level of peering agreement wars... Yay.
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In the interest of fairness, I have now registered NinjaBay.org... ;)
Does that include Texas?
If so, go for it!
Me, I think it's useful when we don't have American secrets for reporters to divulge...
I prefer accountability to ignorance.
I know you're trolling (and cowardly, at that), but I'll bite.
I don't work in Rochester. Each Division is an individual entity, and handles management, equipment and resources differently. All I know is that sort of thing doesn't happen up here. YMMV.
That 20 days to port the number has nothing to do with TimeWarner. That delay is ALL on Vonage's side. We request the number, they take 20 days to give it to us. Frontier takes 14, and sells your number first. Verizon takes 7 (11 if you have DSL).
And the price for digital phone isn't meant to compete with Vonage. It's competing with the local telcos, where it is provably cheaper.
I work for TimeWarner cable. We've got the digital phone product (not true voip, btw, but voip thru the cable system before it's handed off to Sprint).
We are happy to port numbers from other providers... the "normal" is 7 business days to get the number from Verizon.
It takes TWENTY business days to port a number from Vonage. That's a full calendar MONTH.
And they have the balls to bitch about telcos dragging their feet??
At least they don't do what Frontier (smaller local telco in upstate NY) does; Give/Sell your number to telemarketers before porting it! Nothing like a little "fuck you!" as you leave them...
When your empty, parked car rolls down a hill and damages a house, aren't you still liable?
Ahh.. but this is not the same....
this is more like; you park your car on the street and leave the keys in it. Someone comes up, hops in and drives off with your car, then uses it to smash into a bank.
you are not responsible for their commiting a crime, whether they did it with your car or not.
Yes, you're an idiot for leaving your keys in it, but you are not commiting the crime. the person that stole your car is.
Ahh... the never ending stream of "computer is like a car" analogies...
If I had points, you'd get one...
that made me lol.
Seeing yourself in the mirror of the bathroom in your mom's basement doesn't count...
Much of the documentation I download is infected
;)
Ahh... I see you also use "documentation" as a euphamism for pr0n...
Because everything the government says is true, right?
BTN = Beyond The Network
They are a tier 1 provider; Headquartered in HongKong/USA
http://www.btnaccess.com/
Sibling post to me is correct.
I see this problem in both FF at home and work, and IE at work.
all the apostrophe's are showing as ?'s
They've got bad code.
I am a BlueFrog user, and I did NOT receive any email like this.
So either;
1. The spammer is full of crap.
2. They spammed every address they already have as a scare tactic. (see #1)
3. they broke SOME of the database, which is not good.
My money is on 1 or 2.
So why is none of this "proof" posted or printed anywhere for any one else to see? IANAA, but the images presented on the website don't look "man-made" to me.
And anyone who has seen erosion tunnels can tell what made that hole in the ground; water. Look at that soil, it's not rock. It's an amalgamation of dirt and small stones. See how the stones have collected near the center depression of the "tunnel"? Go look at a dried up creekbed, you'll see the same thing. If a person built that tunnel, would he leave all those annoying rocks right in the middle where his hands and knees are going to go? Not likely.
he also suggested that Intel's recent market share losses... were in line with historical variations which tracked to Intel's product generations."
corporate-speak translation- "Yeah we always lose money when we make shitty product and bad decisions, this ain't new."
Which is still nowhere near the "100 million years" of the original poster...
Someone needs to go back to school...
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Humans have not been around for anywhere near 100 million years.
The longest estimates have humans as a species (Homo Sapiens) arriving around 50 thousand years ago. Some early hominids may have existed as much as 700 thousand years ago. But even that is fraction of what you suggest.
We're barely even a speck at the end of the earth's timeline.
Here's a fun analogy - http://jersey.uoregon.edu/~mstrick/AskGeoMan/geoQ
OMG POnies!!!1
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(if ever there was a time for this post, this is it
Mildly off topic, but I just saw a standup show from Carlos Mencia last night on Comedy Central. Besides being fucking hysterical, one of his main points was just what you said; You want equal rights, then don't complain when we treat you just like everyone else.
Hey now!
That's an insult to King's Quest!!
*thinks back to days of flipping 5.25" floppies in and out of his apple IIc*
I think it's been said... but Slashdot needs a "Groan" moderation. The question is whether it should be +1 or -1... :)
Unlike the bash entry, his link has ALL the cyber exploits of boodninja. Not just the britney one.
The point of this is so that you can use your cell phone when you are NOT in range of the cell network... So having the phone always connect to the cell network defeats one of the main purposes of this technology.
FireFury03 already gave a more clear explanation of what I was trying to say.
And I just realized that my comment doesn't really address your real concern; that the internet carriers are going to want a piece of the pie for carrying data for the cell phone carriers.
The upside is that many of them are owned by the same people, eg. Cingular is owned by ATT & BellSouth. Verizon is, well, Verizon.
Although it's mentioned in the article that "internet minutes" may be cheaper that "cell tower" minutes because wifi radio spectrum and the internet are cheaper than running cell towers.
But the problem comes when you're not at home. Pop down to the coffee shop and start talking on your cell phone using the wifi hotspot. You pay the cell company less... but who pays the internet bill for your cell traffic?
Sounds like a new level of peering agreement wars... Yay.