Adobe makes bags of money off of licensing Postscript to third parties for printer drivers, raster image processors, print servers, and the like. It's their residual income. I don't think you will ever see Adobe license Postscript or the Postscript interpreter in such a way that people can use it without paying them money.
OK, I confess I have seen some bad submissions, but what does HP dropping gnome (not that I have ever seen anything in news about this), Redhat's decision to spin off Fedora, and Patrick's decision that dropline is good enough for him to stop wasting his time with gnome's odd build procedures have in common? Troll usually appear in the comments, not the articles. Although timothy did make an effort to unspin the Slackware news somewhat, it is still crazy that he would post such flamebait.
Just for the record - in case you aren't up on the latest news - Redhat still ships a desktop linux that uses gnome, and the Fedora project is still one of the strongest linux distributions, along with Debian and Suse (Novell), who both still include gnome and have no intentions of dropping it. Additionally, Sun and IBM are still committed to gnome.
Yes, another nice Safari feature. Apple certainly did a good job.
While we're on the subject, working Emacs keybindings in the browser (just like mail and everything else). Not that I like Emacs as an editor, but it nice to have teh same commands work in the borwser, in the shell and in mail messages.
I did just figure out how to hack these into Firefox as I was googling for a solution to the other problem, but damn! Address book integration. I forgot about that...
Maybe the next release won't contain API changes, but the simplified build process, repartitioning, and repackaging alone might be significant enough to spring for X11R7
Maybe. I suspect we will also see more optimisation/accelleration for Render so that XComposite can be usable when it exits the "experimental" stage. Expect the next releases of assorted window managers and DEs to add a bunch of special effects like "Exposé" and the "Genie" effect in anticipation.
If I had to guess (since I'm not in the know) I would say the next release will be X11R6.9, with version 7 being used for the new X-over-OpenGL stuff that is being worked on (no more X drivers! Yay!).
When can we see a trusted computing environment? (gui down) When will we see fully improved network/remote access?
there was in issue around ownership of tmp file fixed in this release, and integration with selinux should be not far behind.
When will we see some innovation instead of eye candy? Why does something have to be invented on OSX or Windows instead of pioneered on linux?
do you have any idea how this stuff was done? completely network transparent window rendering and compositing? windows and mac can't do that!
The hooks for modular gui plugins should be there - just as with any gui. OS/2 had the object based interface, windows has the pretty indepth theme integration and OSX has the PDF display..
and render and and composite are extensions to the X protocol (i.e. plugins). Gnome and KDE have object based UIs and indepth theme integration, and render is a Porter-Duff based compositing model that can be hooked into Cairo for a PDF like API. I'm starting to think I have just bitten into a troll here...
Why not work on something to compete against microsofts new gui/api interffaces based upon 3d rendering instead of pixel rendering? why not kill 2d before the competition and work on an graphical interface that is competitive instead of intriguing.
that was the whole point. or maybe you haven't been paying attention?
Quick release cycles don't do anything for corporate adoption. Give us the "killer app" - in this case a desktop/windowing system that delivers everything we seem to bash in other systems as insecure or proprietary.
The time based realease plans now being used by Gnome and X.org have given us some pretty cool stuff in a short period of time. I'm really not sure what you're complaining about.
I don't see anything about separation of client and server libs and packaging.
From what I understand from scouring the mailing list, the "debrix" tree contains the xorg code, but with an autotool build system. When this tree is ready, new work will be merged into that tree and it will become the main tree. From there, it will be much easier to break out the separate pieces than it is with the current imake build process. The intend to do this for the next release.
heh. work hasn't been fun in a while. chances are pretty slim i could get these corporate to spring for this type of system - it may motivate people, and we wouldn't want that.
First they cam for the Foosball table, but I was not a foosballer - so I said nothing. Then they came for the yearly canoe trip, but I did not canoe - so I did nothing. Then came the salary freeze, but I still had a job. And then they came for the fresh fruit in the lunch room, but I did not eat fruit - so I did little. Then they came for the coffeemaker, and there was no left who could stand up for the coffee.
As employee of a company that faced delisting, I can tell you it is $1.00, and I believe the sub-$1.00 status must persist for either 30 or 60 days (can't remember exactly - see my next point)
As for us, we were given grace in the aftermath of the attack on the WTC, and the period was extended long enough for us to get our stock price up. Soon after we go t bought by a much larger company, so those days ar over...
Heh heh. Is it a bluff if you wouldn't have gotten it anyway?
As for refusing to fix a windows machine, I've said a version of that, but it doesn't seem to register. I remember coming home from work daily and hearing, "The kids installed this game, but we can't find it" or "This game doesn't install" or "This game installed but now this other one is broken" or my favorite "The computer is locked up again." I thought I couldn't go wrong by buying a PlayStation2 and removing "The Game OS" from my computer - but it seems her memory is shorter than mine...
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spent about five minutes browsing their homepage and learned all this. The only thing I couldn't seem to find was the price... (^_^) Back I go!
Click on the little shopping cart beside the product on the product page.
I do hope you are trying to make a joke.
mirrordot.org.
is that what you had in mind?
6 months. Hardy har - but you forgot the <sarcasm> tags
You may want to learn the French version as well. It helps when you are watching the hockey games.
Aren't there quite a few Adobe programs that run/ran on IRIX?
yes, but they are old/outdated. As is the notion of an IRIX workstation - Unix workstations from here on in will be either linux or Mac.
Adobe makes bags of money off of licensing Postscript to third parties for printer drivers, raster image processors, print servers, and the like. It's their residual income. I don't think you will ever see Adobe license Postscript or the Postscript interpreter in such a way that people can use it without paying them money.
It's easy to look at Fox from inside the US and think, "Wow, this is terrible..."
As a Canadian, I would like to add that it is also easy to look at Fox from outside the US and think, "Wow, this is terrible..."
And then hire Georoge Lucas to release periodic maintenance patches...
OK, I confess I have seen some bad submissions, but what does HP dropping gnome (not that I have ever seen anything in news about this), Redhat's decision to spin off Fedora, and Patrick's decision that dropline is good enough for him to stop wasting his time with gnome's odd build procedures have in common? Troll usually appear in the comments, not the articles. Although timothy did make an effort to unspin the Slackware news somewhat, it is still crazy that he would post such flamebait.
Just for the record - in case you aren't up on the latest news - Redhat still ships a desktop linux that uses gnome, and the Fedora project is still one of the strongest linux distributions, along with Debian and Suse (Novell), who both still include gnome and have no intentions of dropping it. Additionally, Sun and IBM are still committed to gnome.
Disclaimer: I don't like KDE. I miss my old mac.
Anheiser-Busch? I'm afraid guano is the best we could hope for.
Yes, another nice Safari feature. Apple certainly did a good job.
While we're on the subject, working Emacs keybindings in the browser (just like mail and everything else). Not that I like Emacs as an editor, but it nice to have teh same commands work in the borwser, in the shell and in mail messages.
I did just figure out how to hack these into Firefox as I was googling for a solution to the other problem, but damn! Address book integration. I forgot about that...
These guys from Apple want me hooked!
Alas, this is the reason that I also use Safari. I just downloaded the new one and it suffers teh same problem *sigh*
The people we talk about actually talk back.
Yeah, except this isn't one of them. Look here for the real Miguel.
My right, your left ;-)
Maybe the next release won't contain API changes, but the simplified build process, repartitioning, and repackaging alone might be significant enough to spring for X11R7
Maybe. I suspect we will also see more optimisation/accelleration for Render so that XComposite can be usable when it exits the "experimental" stage. Expect the next releases of assorted window managers and DEs to add a bunch of special effects like "Exposé" and the "Genie" effect in anticipation.
If I had to guess (since I'm not in the know) I would say the next release will be X11R6.9, with version 7 being used for the new X-over-OpenGL stuff that is being worked on (no more X drivers! Yay!).
When can we see a trusted computing environment? (gui down) When will we see fully improved network/remote access?
there was in issue around ownership of tmp file fixed in this release, and integration with selinux should be not far behind.
When will we see some innovation instead of eye candy? Why does something have to be invented on OSX or Windows instead of pioneered on linux?
do you have any idea how this stuff was done? completely network transparent window rendering and compositing? windows and mac can't do that!
The hooks for modular gui plugins should be there - just as with any gui. OS/2 had the object based interface, windows has the pretty indepth theme integration and OSX has the PDF display..
and render and and composite are extensions to the X protocol (i.e. plugins). Gnome and KDE have object based UIs and indepth theme integration, and render is a Porter-Duff based compositing model that can be hooked into Cairo for a PDF like API. I'm starting to think I have just bitten into a troll here...
Why not work on something to compete against microsofts new gui/api interffaces based upon 3d rendering instead of pixel rendering? why not kill 2d before the competition and work on an graphical interface that is competitive instead of intriguing.
that was the whole point. or maybe you haven't been paying attention?
Quick release cycles don't do anything for corporate adoption. Give us the "killer app" - in this case a desktop/windowing system that delivers everything we seem to bash in other systems as insecure or proprietary.
The time based realease plans now being used by Gnome and X.org have given us some pretty cool stuff in a short period of time. I'm really not sure what you're complaining about.
I don't see anything about separation of client and server libs and packaging.
From what I understand from scouring the mailing list, the "debrix" tree contains the xorg code, but with an autotool build system. When this tree is ready, new work will be merged into that tree and it will become the main tree. From there, it will be much easier to break out the separate pieces than it is with the current imake build process. The intend to do this for the next release.
Cool. I must take a look (being and installer type of guy myself...)
I guess ATI using software from nVidia would be a bit uncomfortable for them though ...
IIRC, the NVidia installer is the Loki Installer that was created by Loki games (RIP), not NVidia's code.
if it makes work more fun, why not
heh. work hasn't been fun in a while. chances are pretty slim i could get these corporate to spring for this type of system - it may motivate people, and we wouldn't want that.
First they cam for the Foosball table, but I was not a foosballer - so I said nothing. Then they came for the yearly canoe trip, but I did not canoe - so I did nothing. Then came the salary freeze, but I still had a job. And then they came for the fresh fruit in the lunch room, but I did not eat fruit - so I did little. Then they came for the coffeemaker, and there was no left who could stand up for the coffee.
As employee of a company that faced delisting, I can tell you it is $1.00, and I believe the sub-$1.00 status must persist for either 30 or 60 days (can't remember exactly - see my next point)
As for us, we were given grace in the aftermath of the attack on the WTC, and the period was extended long enough for us to get our stock price up. Soon after we go t bought by a much larger company, so those days ar over...
But you can't mount it, see? Mount? /mnt/canon?
kids these days, never reading the parent post...
Yeah, except Canon doesn't support USB mass storage, so they will never get it mounted.
The no-sex threat was a pure bluff
Heh heh. Is it a bluff if you wouldn't have gotten it anyway?
As for refusing to fix a windows machine, I've said a version of that, but it doesn't seem to register. I remember coming home from work daily and hearing, "The kids installed this game, but we can't find it" or "This game doesn't install" or "This game installed but now this other one is broken" or my favorite "The computer is locked up again." I thought I couldn't go wrong by buying a PlayStation2 and removing "The Game OS" from my computer - but it seems her memory is shorter than mine...