A conference where they actually confer and (As implied by going to eat together) discuss what they're talking about rather than just visiting booths. It's about time some of that hacker-ethic efficiency made its way to the computer conference world.
I give up on this attempt at explanation. Obviously my paragraph is beyond your limited linguistics capacity. you've failed to grasp even a modicum of what i said.
it's because there are no good precedents for the computer industry, especially as far as operating systems go. Where does the operating system and the programs/runtimes/etc. begin and end? where does an OS become unethical and/or abusive? where is the line that must be crossed before an operating system is. With the courts trying to prevent this abuse, the problem is that there is no good line. Due to the existing monopoly, there's no way to do anything that won't totally screw Microsoft unjustly that will make a real dent in their power to abuse their position. The best they can hope for is to preserve competition outside the operating system market itself, and to keep the path clear for Java and any of dozens of other things that aren't standard on Windows without allowing them to be negated by Microsoft products that clone them and won't allow the original to be even realized by the user, much less the original creator have any power over their creation. So, since the only true answer is making it all free as in beer (since otherwise, it'll always be a fight for profit rather than just credit), all we can do is pray that they don't screw too many things up with court precedents.
you're getting completely off the point. UNIX exists. That point is not in debate. UNIX was originally created in the US. That is also not in debate. The debate here is that if Microsoft is going to lose their market share, it need not begin in the United States. This does not necessitate the creation of a new operating system, though it may or may not happen. If much of the world changes, chances of change increase without necessarily involving a change in the United States first.
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"As unpopular as they and their creations are to a lot of people here, I think it's unfair to ignore how they were able to bring the internet to millions of users who, without Windows and/or AOL, would have never been able to do so."
I'm still not sure that letting millions of ignorant users on was a good idea in the first place. How many times does one have to get AIMs or ICQs of "ASL" or "Come see me and my friends naked XXX" before it becomes obvious that the glorious internet, that sacred educational frontier, has become nothing more than a cesspool where if you know where to go, you can actually find real information? Let's face it, easy access is good, idiot access isn't necessarily good.
Personally, with the comments traded between gamers, i'm a little uncomfortable with anti-terrorist types studying gamers. Something that is commonly said in jest could easily be taken out of context by these government personnel and blown way out of proportion...
You're implying that birthplace breeds centricity. Linux was born in Finland, but is not centered anywhere anymore, unless you consider Linus (who is not the US nor its population) to be the center, in which case it's Linus and not the US which is the center. Saying that UNIX was created in the US does not guarantee that a POSIX revolution would start here.
even that I can't earnestly recommend anymore. I simply don't trust them anymore. I'd much rather use a smalltime one that isn't targeted by spammers, preferrably something outside the US, esp. something based in Hong Kong. Less worries about changes of service to comply with government regulations.
Actually, that's often a result of text size rather than percentage, in my experience. However, I generally try to keep everything to where it's viewable any way you configure. but I definitely agree with you on the % width thing.
"Slightly OT, but I sometimes wonder if Americans (USA) realize just how many people outside of their country look to America (USA) with a growing distaste. Oops, mod -1 unamerikan."
there's a growing sentiment of that inside the US too. I, for one, would like to move to Canada sometime in the next decade...
that's some of the dumbest FUD I've heard in a long time. Germany's bundestag switched, brazil certainly loves the penguin, and denmark switched their schools. So where do you get off saying that the US is the only way to get things to change? Just because the US was the leader in the 1950-2000 era certainly does not mean that the change won't come from abroad. It's that kind of ignorance and defeatism that hinders the progress and adoption of the OSS community.
you've got it mixed up. Sun is offering free/costofmedia StarOffice, and all danish schools will be supporting the use of StarOffice, allowing students and teachers to switch linux. Certainly the schools' infastructure will be supported by linux, however the distribution of the students and teachers is certainly going to be in the OSS tradition of "whatever you prefer".
but as the US has consistently proved in the past decade and still not caught on to is that they're not the center of the universe. The loss of Microsoft's power will not be starting in the States, but rather in the countries with the good of the nation rather than the economy on their minds. UNIX has been a staple of Computer Science since the 70s (pre-70s i'd be hard pressed to consider anything on the frontier known as computers as a staple), and IMHO has a good number of decades left in it.
about information wanting to be free, but that would simply be stupid. Instead, I'll simply say that big business likes to try to charge for anything and everything, expecting to make a profit. This doesn't mean it's feasable or reasonable, even if it's something the public wants. Wifi as a utility? perhaps. Wifi as a profitmaker? I doubt it. Personally, I think if it were a nonprofit deal like PBS, it'd be more feasable. However, the trick is getting people interested enough to pay for it, and enough people to consistently pay for it to keep it up.
There's nothing like a real networking operating system, with a robust TCP/IP stack and an efficient kernel to reduce costs...
then again my dad is the head tech for a county court system in California and he only buys contract boxes with Windows, all the while making fun of my Linux home network...
I work for a major games developer, and the only spam I get at work is the spam that goes to the entire company, as somehow a spammer managed to find out our all@company address.
is that the RIAA is suing a Norwegian for breaking a law that isn't in Norway. This is no different from Dmitry's case, unless you consider the fact that Jon didn't actually sell his program. And both should be found not guilty, and it doesn't change the fact that the DMCA is bad legislature.
I tend to agree with you...computers aren't disposable. They're goods that aren't necessarily easy to repair if something gets fubared, but until that time, they're still useful to someone somewhere. Something is wrong when even high technology becomes disposable...
That's stupid. That implys that computer parts are disposable. Why not encourage re-use rather than disposal? I know of a lot of good uses for low 486 boxes up on through to the new stuff, and it can be used pretty easily if you know how. All this will do is encourage PC junking rather than donation.
but if you go to work in a modular cubicle do you really want to go home to a modular house? say what you will about functionality, but there's a certain amount of art to architecture that unless they make giant legos (which is a bad ass idea in itself) cannot really be translated into modular components very well.
That said, it sounds good to me...I'd love a house that I could network without cutting drywall. But regardless, I think a giant house made of lego would be awesome.
I can't take sides on this. I know I'll be marked as a troll. But the second we start saying you can't give such and such information out as a law rather than a contract clause, we're impeding the freedom of information. However, I value my privacy as much as most people here (hell, I use PGP with huge keys for my real emails). But Freedom of Information, or privacy. they don't have to be mutually exclusive, but we've got to be careful when we try to restrict others, otherwise it may come back and bite us in the ass.
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A conference where they actually confer and (As implied by going to eat together) discuss what they're talking about rather than just visiting booths. It's about time some of that hacker-ethic efficiency made its way to the computer conference world.
I give up on this attempt at explanation. Obviously my paragraph is beyond your limited linguistics capacity. you've failed to grasp even a modicum of what i said.
it's because there are no good precedents for the computer industry, especially as far as operating systems go. Where does the operating system and the programs/runtimes/etc. begin and end? where does an OS become unethical and/or abusive? where is the line that must be crossed before an operating system is. With the courts trying to prevent this abuse, the problem is that there is no good line. Due to the existing monopoly, there's no way to do anything that won't totally screw Microsoft unjustly that will make a real dent in their power to abuse their position. The best they can hope for is to preserve competition outside the operating system market itself, and to keep the path clear for Java and any of dozens of other things that aren't standard on Windows without allowing them to be negated by Microsoft products that clone them and won't allow the original to be even realized by the user, much less the original creator have any power over their creation. So, since the only true answer is making it all free as in beer (since otherwise, it'll always be a fight for profit rather than just credit), all we can do is pray that they don't screw too many things up with court precedents.
you're getting completely off the point. UNIX exists. That point is not in debate. UNIX was originally created in the US. That is also not in debate. The debate here is that if Microsoft is going to lose their market share, it need not begin in the United States. This does not necessitate the creation of a new operating system, though it may or may not happen. If much of the world changes, chances of change increase without necessarily involving a change in the United States first.
"As unpopular as they and their creations are to a lot of people here, I think it's unfair to ignore how they were able to bring the internet to millions of users who, without Windows and/or AOL, would have never been able to do so."
I'm still not sure that letting millions of ignorant users on was a good idea in the first place. How many times does one have to get AIMs or ICQs of "ASL" or "Come see me and my friends naked XXX" before it becomes obvious that the glorious internet, that sacred educational frontier, has become nothing more than a cesspool where if you know where to go, you can actually find real information? Let's face it, easy access is good, idiot access isn't necessarily good.
Personally, with the comments traded between gamers, i'm a little uncomfortable with anti-terrorist types studying gamers. Something that is commonly said in jest could easily be taken out of context by these government personnel and blown way out of proportion...
You're implying that birthplace breeds centricity. Linux was born in Finland, but is not centered anywhere anymore, unless you consider Linus (who is not the US nor its population) to be the center, in which case it's Linus and not the US which is the center. Saying that UNIX was created in the US does not guarantee that a POSIX revolution would start here.
even that I can't earnestly recommend anymore. I simply don't trust them anymore. I'd much rather use a smalltime one that isn't targeted by spammers, preferrably something outside the US, esp. something based in Hong Kong. Less worries about changes of service to comply with government regulations.
Actually, that's often a result of text size rather than percentage, in my experience. However, I generally try to keep everything to where it's viewable any way you configure. but I definitely agree with you on the % width thing.
"Slightly OT, but I sometimes wonder if Americans (USA) realize just how many people outside of their country look to America (USA) with a growing distaste. Oops, mod -1 unamerikan."
there's a growing sentiment of that inside the US too. I, for one, would like to move to Canada sometime in the next decade...
that's some of the dumbest FUD I've heard in a long time. Germany's bundestag switched, brazil certainly loves the penguin, and denmark switched their schools. So where do you get off saying that the US is the only way to get things to change? Just because the US was the leader in the 1950-2000 era certainly does not mean that the change won't come from abroad. It's that kind of ignorance and defeatism that hinders the progress and adoption of the OSS community.
you've got it mixed up. Sun is offering free/costofmedia StarOffice, and all danish schools will be supporting the use of StarOffice, allowing students and teachers to switch linux. Certainly the schools' infastructure will be supported by linux, however the distribution of the students and teachers is certainly going to be in the OSS tradition of "whatever you prefer".
but as the US has consistently proved in the past decade and still not caught on to is that they're not the center of the universe. The loss of Microsoft's power will not be starting in the States, but rather in the countries with the good of the nation rather than the economy on their minds. UNIX has been a staple of Computer Science since the 70s (pre-70s i'd be hard pressed to consider anything on the frontier known as computers as a staple), and IMHO has a good number of decades left in it.
That's ridiculous. Nissan is his last name, and his company's name. There needs to be some sort of public outcry one of these days.
Shouldn't there be some sort of repercussions for this absence? they're wasting the legal system's time, as well as Jon's. What crap.
about information wanting to be free, but that would simply be stupid. Instead, I'll simply say that big business likes to try to charge for anything and everything, expecting to make a profit. This doesn't mean it's feasable or reasonable, even if it's something the public wants. Wifi as a utility? perhaps. Wifi as a profitmaker? I doubt it. Personally, I think if it were a nonprofit deal like PBS, it'd be more feasable. However, the trick is getting people interested enough to pay for it, and enough people to consistently pay for it to keep it up.
There's nothing like a real networking operating system, with a robust TCP/IP stack and an efficient kernel to reduce costs...
then again my dad is the head tech for a county court system in California and he only buys contract boxes with Windows, all the while making fun of my Linux home network...
I work for a major games developer, and the only spam I get at work is the spam that goes to the entire company, as somehow a spammer managed to find out our all@company address.
yes...but by saying that prosecuting him was correct implies that there is no room for the spirit of the law, only the letter.
is that the RIAA is suing a Norwegian for breaking a law that isn't in Norway. This is no different from Dmitry's case, unless you consider the fact that Jon didn't actually sell his program. And both should be found not guilty, and it doesn't change the fact that the DMCA is bad legislature.
I tend to agree with you...computers aren't disposable. They're goods that aren't necessarily easy to repair if something gets fubared, but until that time, they're still useful to someone somewhere. Something is wrong when even high technology becomes disposable...
That's stupid. That implys that computer parts are disposable. Why not encourage re-use rather than disposal? I know of a lot of good uses for low 486 boxes up on through to the new stuff, and it can be used pretty easily if you know how. All this will do is encourage PC junking rather than donation.
or even better, apt4rpm, which is free. Or just plain old apt-get on debian.
but if you go to work in a modular cubicle do you really want to go home to a modular house? say what you will about functionality, but there's a certain amount of art to architecture that unless they make giant legos (which is a bad ass idea in itself) cannot really be translated into modular components very well.
That said, it sounds good to me...I'd love a house that I could network without cutting drywall. But regardless, I think a giant house made of lego would be awesome.
I can't take sides on this. I know I'll be marked as a troll. But the second we start saying you can't give such and such information out as a law rather than a contract clause, we're impeding the freedom of information. However, I value my privacy as much as most people here (hell, I use PGP with huge keys for my real emails). But Freedom of Information, or privacy. they don't have to be mutually exclusive, but we've got to be careful when we try to restrict others, otherwise it may come back and bite us in the ass.