After a certain point (long down the road, which will never happen in the remaining lifetime of the shuttle program) it might be worth it to experiment on a "production" system with human lives onboard. But at this stage of the game, leave the data gathering to simulations. You can get lots of good data (probably BETTER data, since you can monitor more closely) from a test environment than from the actual shuttle coming through the atmosphere.
At _some point_, the returns off of simulations will become less and less, and then it would finally make sense to take the next step and see what happens with the real thing. But that would be _way_ out there. Heck, looking at the guns/butter curve it probably doesn't even make sense for them to test the repair system on the ground even halfway to that point...the number of remaining missions and the odds of that same type of failure make it uneconomical, better to invest the section of your time and money budgeted for "cargo protection" into other things that will yield a higher likely return.
---snip...wasn't enough "give" for the shaking due to the quake. Two lives were lost - one by a woman who tried to drive her car across the gap and who would have survived had she waited for help. However, the rest of the bridge remained and will be used until this fall when it is destroyed... ---snip
Wow. This really stands out to me for some reason; the one fatality on the Bay Bridge wouldn't have changed had she "waited for help".
SGT Mercier returned to Lesisita and began to reassure him again. "I heard the doctor behind me saying, 'Somebody start CPR' I turned around, one medic was standing over, about two feet away just looking down at her [Lesisita] like he was pretty shocked...maybe he hadn't seen this before. I released the hand of the guy and turned around and started doing chest compressions on her. It was pretty difficult at first since her ribs were through her chest cavity. and they started to cut my hands. The doctor saw that and he gave me a cervical collar (neck brace). I put it over her chest to keep [her broken ribs] from penetrating my skin."
This "ranting engineer" annoys me. First he makes it sound like this woman "tried" to drive her car across the gap (hint: the police directed traffic the wrong direction, she didn't have enough distance to stop the hatchback she and her brother were in by the time that the missing bridge plate came into view), then he says that she died due to her not waiting for help, and he says there was a 2nd additional death as well.
Perhaps this guy is right that we are balancing the economic redundancy/cost curve a little too closely, but getting his facts wrong like this makes me look at what his saying a little more carefully.
"Similar to these. Of course, at a certain scale everything is portable."...said Lesinator with an evil laugh, as he obsessively checked again his now perfectly synchronized home PC clocks.
Not enough time right now to go into depth, but I sorting through a collection of 5.25" Apple images, I saw this message popup on one of the emulators "bootup". Had no idea what it was and didn't bother looking too far in depth into it. This was back in 2006, when I was organizing my collection of stuff I had written as a kid, random public domain disks I had copies, of, random things I had made copies of as a kid from my gradeschool computer lab, etc...in the process, plenty of "catalog" commands ran (this is how it spreads, he has the 6502 source http://www.skrenta.com/cloner/clone-src.txt on his website and a few more items about it there), plenty of disks "swapped" out of virtual floppy drives, so I'm sure the infection is well spread.
Maybe I'll keep it around as a living pet in my emulator:)
In the US, I remember checking out software from the library 20 years ago for the Apple II series. Not a very new concept, but it probably wasn't as common two decades ago as it is now, and the trend is probably increasing.
Other than for family, I never work for free. However, I do collect interesting oddities/neat machines from computer history (have one of the first 50 Macs made, a _perfect_ Osbourne/1, a sample of the product lineup from just about every little computer company that existed through the 80's). All nicely organized and easily accessible for playing with when the mood strikes.
So if someone had an "ancient" 3.6 GigaByte MFM drive, I would happily trade them some help for that. Unless it would take up my entire garage.
I wonder what kind of capacity it would have had running as RLL?:)
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---snipEver see MSDOS 2.2 run on a multi gighertz modern machine? Try it. It's scary fast. What happened? ---snip
I suspect no one has ever seen MS-DOS 2.2 run on any multi-gigahertz machine, including you:)
Darn, I got quite a laugh out of the idea of a space station armor piercing harpoon carried by astronauts on EVA's. Would kinda guarantee everyone on the station would be watching very closely to be certain the guy outside didn't drift too far.
I beg to differ. The most important geological findings on the moon were done precisely because of human intuition and the capability to make observations and on-the-spot changes in the original mission plan.
When the moon landings were done, autonomous (much less decision making) reliable robots were a thing of science fiction. So sending a person allowed you to handle unexpected situations which would have been simply too difficult to make a machine handle. That is much less the case now.
Also a nice thing about sending a robot; if it "dies" people just make jokes about stupid nasa slamming probes into planets and such, and the story will disappear out of the general news in 2 or 3 days. An astronaut dies, people have a much lower opinion of NASA.
Not to mention you can send a dozen robots for the cost of one person.
Still manned exploration of space should be done, just for the spirit of exploration. But it is stupid to do it nowadays for missions just for the sake of last second decision making. Let a robot deal with that stuff, send people when you finally know how to handle whatever will come up.
Folks, the technology exists NOW. The means is there. But will the politicos actually allow the opportunity?
There is a little more to making a Saturn V than someone just dusting off the blueprints, building one and tanking it up; the guys who actually understood them inside out, who worked with them through their entire development cycle are now long since retired.
I do agree it is shame they allowed this launch system to go to waste. The re-useable shuttle _is_ impressive, but it turned out more complicated to run than expected; for many tasks a throw-away rocket actually remains better.
---snip True. But you could find a few. I'd volunteer for it, and I'd qualify. I know enough about geology that you could say "find me some interesting rocks, break them apart with this hammer, and put them under this microscope and tell me if you see anything interesting", and succeed. (I could also handle orders like "Remember rock AF41Q that you found six weeks ago? Take it off the shelf and put it in the sample return vehicle. Take rock CX29B out of the sample return vehicle, because AF41Q is more interesting.") ---snip
I don't know anything about geology, but how can you do this better than a robot that can run for 200+ days carrying all it needs for it's own "life support" on it's back?
For the cost of sending one of you, we could probably send 30 (if not 100, especially if you count development costs to make a reliable manned mission) of them and get samples from many more sites on the planet, right?
There was another side of the story that didn't come out till much later. The Israelis had readied their nuclear armed missiles for launch, the Soviets were threatening Israel with retaliation in case Israel launched and the US was basically threatening the Soviets with retaliation.
Ok, I'm 30 years behind the times to be criticizing policy (I wasn't even born then), but...whaa?
1.) Israel has the bomb (Ok, everyone would like to have the bomb, Israel just happens to be one of the first small countries to manage to do it)
2.) Soviets threaten to respond if Israel chooses to use the bomb against a target Soviets care about. (Ok, standard MAD)
3.) Then the US jumps in and threatens to destroy the USSR if they destroy Israel?
Now, I wouldn't want to see the last large collection of Jewish people and culture on the earth disappear after narrowly escaping the nearly complete genocide of WWII, but...why in the world would the US put a hundred million of it's _own_ citizens lives at risk for a couple million citizens of another country, one that produces less motor oil than olive oil? Were they scared that the Israeli's would vote to switch to Communism if we didn't show them how brave and tough us Capitalistic democracies are?
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If they require a passport to do some of those things like fly or enter public buildings, that will signifigantly impact poor people.
If only the wunnerful government would require a password to fly _into_ a buildings, then we'd all be safe!
After a certain point (long down the road, which will never happen in the remaining lifetime of the shuttle program) it might be worth it to experiment on a "production" system with human lives onboard. But at this stage of the game, leave the data gathering to simulations. You can get lots of good data (probably BETTER data, since you can monitor more closely) from a test environment than from the actual shuttle coming through the atmosphere.
At _some point_, the returns off of simulations will become less and less, and then it would finally make sense to take the next step and see what happens with the real thing. But that would be _way_ out there. Heck, looking at the guns/butter curve it probably doesn't even make sense for them to test the repair system on the ground even halfway to that point...the number of remaining missions and the odds of that same type of failure make it uneconomical, better to invest the section of your time and money budgeted for "cargo protection" into other things that will yield a higher likely return.
...nevermind that after about 2000 years, the only bridges that would remain for us to see would be the best examples.
I bet the average Roman bridge that existed during the height of the empire isn't as good as what examples are still standing for us to look at.
---snip ...wasn't enough "give" for the shaking due to the quake. Two lives were lost - one by a woman who tried to drive her car across the gap and who would have survived had she waited for help. However, the rest of the bridge remained and will be used until this fall when it is destroyed...
...maybe he hadn't seen this before. I released the hand of the guy and turned around and started doing chest compressions on her. It was pretty difficult at first since her ribs were through her chest cavity. and they started to cut my hands. The doctor saw that and he gave me a cervical collar (neck brace). I put it over her chest to keep [her broken ribs] from penetrating my skin."
---snip
Wow. This really stands out to me for some reason; the one fatality on the Bay Bridge wouldn't have changed had she "waited for help".
A quick google:
http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist2/presidio.html
(ctrl-f for "Moala Kalushia")
A select paragraph:
SGT Mercier returned to Lesisita and began to reassure him again. "I heard the doctor behind me saying, 'Somebody start CPR' I turned around, one medic was standing over, about two feet away just looking down at her [Lesisita] like he was pretty shocked
This "ranting engineer" annoys me. First he makes it sound like this woman "tried" to drive her car across the gap (hint: the police directed traffic the wrong direction, she didn't have enough distance to stop the hatchback she and her brother were in by the time that the missing bridge plate came into view), then he says that she died due to her not waiting for help, and he says there was a 2nd additional death as well.
Perhaps this guy is right that we are balancing the economic redundancy/cost curve a little too closely, but getting his facts wrong like this makes me look at what his saying a little more carefully.
Hey, how did you guess my password?
"Similar to these. Of course, at a certain scale everything is portable." ...said Lesinator with an evil laugh, as he obsessively checked again his now perfectly synchronized home PC clocks.
Not enough time right now to go into depth, but I sorting through a collection of 5.25" Apple images, I saw this message popup on one of the emulators "bootup". Had no idea what it was and didn't bother looking too far in depth into it. This was back in 2006, when I was organizing my collection of stuff I had written as a kid, random public domain disks I had copies, of, random things I had made copies of as a kid from my gradeschool computer lab, etc...in the process, plenty of "catalog" commands ran (this is how it spreads, he has the 6502 source http://www.skrenta.com/cloner/clone-src.txt on his website and a few more items about it there), plenty of disks "swapped" out of virtual floppy drives, so I'm sure the infection is well spread.
:)
Maybe I'll keep it around as a living pet in my emulator
SO now hackers will be able to access my files from anywhere!
Certainly you don't think this is a new feature?
I can't help but notice that according to your tagline you are planning on documenting the food api's...sounds technical to me :)
In the US, I remember checking out software from the library 20 years ago for the Apple II series. Not a very new concept, but it probably wasn't as common two decades ago as it is now, and the trend is probably increasing.
it is almost and _exact_ clone of this. Gotta run, otherwise I would look up the site.
Palm and Windows, Windows CE I think is coming up.
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Actually morals don't really come into what I was considering.
---snip
Don't take this the wrong way, but your entire 2nd paragraph sounded like a morality play.
---snip
:)
ancient 3.6 GB MFM HDD
---snip
Other than for family, I never work for free. However, I do collect interesting oddities/neat machines from computer history (have one of the first 50 Macs made, a _perfect_ Osbourne/1, a sample of the product lineup from just about every little computer company that existed through the 80's). All nicely organized and easily accessible for playing with when the mood strikes.
So if someone had an "ancient" 3.6 GigaByte MFM drive, I would happily trade them some help for that. Unless it would take up my entire garage.
I wonder what kind of capacity it would have had running as RLL?
---snipEver see MSDOS 2.2 run on a multi gighertz modern machine? Try it. It's scary fast. What happened?
:)
---snip
I suspect no one has ever seen MS-DOS 2.2 run on any multi-gigahertz machine, including you
.50%, ehh?
Darn, I got quite a laugh out of the idea of a space station armor piercing harpoon carried by astronauts on EVA's. Would kinda guarantee everyone on the station would be watching very closely to be certain the guy outside didn't drift too far.
Isn't that exactly what I said? :)
We no longer have the know-how to just dust off a Saturn V and launch it.
(one of his favorite was an emergency device used in case an astronaut got seperated from the structure during EVA).
Ok, I'll bite...what was it, a harpoon?
I beg to differ. The most important geological findings on the moon were done precisely because of human intuition and the capability to make observations and on-the-spot changes in the original mission plan.
When the moon landings were done, autonomous (much less decision making) reliable robots were a thing of science fiction. So sending a person allowed you to handle unexpected situations which would have been simply too difficult to make a machine handle. That is much less the case now.
Also a nice thing about sending a robot; if it "dies" people just make jokes about stupid nasa slamming probes into planets and such, and the story will disappear out of the general news in 2 or 3 days. An astronaut dies, people have a much lower opinion of NASA.
Not to mention you can send a dozen robots for the cost of one person.
Still manned exploration of space should be done, just for the spirit of exploration. But it is stupid to do it nowadays for missions just for the sake of last second decision making. Let a robot deal with that stuff, send people when you finally know how to handle whatever will come up.
Folks, the technology exists NOW. The means is there. But will the politicos actually allow the opportunity?
There is a little more to making a Saturn V than someone just dusting off the blueprints, building one and tanking it up; the guys who actually understood them inside out, who worked with them through their entire development cycle are now long since retired.
I do agree it is shame they allowed this launch system to go to waste. The re-useable shuttle _is_ impressive, but it turned out more complicated to run than expected; for many tasks a throw-away rocket actually remains better.
---snip
True. But you could find a few. I'd volunteer for it, and I'd qualify. I know enough about geology that you could say "find me some interesting rocks, break them apart with this hammer, and put them under this microscope and tell me if you see anything interesting", and succeed. (I could also handle orders like "Remember rock AF41Q that you found six weeks ago? Take it off the shelf and put it in the sample return vehicle. Take rock CX29B out of the sample return vehicle, because AF41Q is more interesting.")
---snip
I don't know anything about geology, but how can you do this better than a robot that can run for 200+ days carrying all it needs for it's own "life support" on it's back?
For the cost of sending one of you, we could probably send 30 (if not 100, especially if you count development costs to make a reliable manned mission) of them and get samples from many more sites on the planet, right?
BAHAHAHaHaHahaha...
Your first computer was a 486? And that was a long time ago? Wow, I'm feeling old all of a sudden...
There was another side of the story that didn't come out till much later. The Israelis had readied their nuclear armed missiles for launch, the Soviets were threatening Israel with retaliation in case Israel launched and the US was basically threatening the Soviets with retaliation.
Ok, I'm 30 years behind the times to be criticizing policy (I wasn't even born then), but...whaa?
1.) Israel has the bomb
(Ok, everyone would like to have the bomb, Israel just happens to be one of the first small countries to manage to do it)
2.) Soviets threaten to respond if Israel chooses to use the bomb against a target Soviets care about.
(Ok, standard MAD)
3.) Then the US jumps in and threatens to destroy the USSR if they destroy Israel?
Now, I wouldn't want to see the last large collection of Jewish people and culture on the earth disappear after narrowly escaping the nearly complete genocide of WWII, but...why in the world would the US put a hundred million of it's _own_ citizens lives at risk for a couple million citizens of another country, one that produces less motor oil than olive oil? Were they scared that the Israeli's would vote to switch to Communism if we didn't show them how brave and tough us Capitalistic democracies are?
Where did you find a 9600baud applecat? :)