Because people (like you apparently) accept this as normal and just the way it is. My point is the status quo sucks and will only get worse if we don't start standing up for ourselves a bit better.
The east coast is sinking? Really, there is a plate boundary on the east coast? Nope, I don't think so. The nearest plate boundary to the East coast is in the middle of the Atlantic, and it is seperating, effectivly pushing Europe and America farther apart.
Yes, it is sinking. As it spreads from the mid-atlantic ridge, it cools and becomes more dense, and shrinks (think heating balloon expands; cooling it shrinks). You are correct that there is not a subduction boundary along the east coast. Yet it sinks.
And me saying it is sinking isn't based on that theory, it is based on tidal records at the Battery in NYC over the last 100-150 years. 10cm per 100 years or somthing like that.
Usually you can do Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+ and Ctrl-Alt-Numpad- to switch the screen size in X for the last few years. It isn't much good for working, but good for switching to 800x600 for temporary magnification.
in/etc/X11/XF86Config-4, look for the following.
It cycles through the resolutions in the order listed there.
Better than throwing about your half understandings as truth, you could actually look at your notes from first year physics and understand the wonder of Archimedes' principle for yourself, THEN try to explain it.
href="http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Archi me des'+principle
As others have noted, if you melt the north pole, you're probably melting Greenland & co. as well, which does add to sea-level rise++. Also your ice melted becuase the oceans are a little warmer (latent heat of liquification, yea, yea. it still gets warmer after the ice is all gone) thus the oceans are less dense, and expand (ie upwards).
The bit about all the added fresh water being less dense is interesting, but doesn't make up for the "it isn't just the sea ice melting" problem.
The bit that really scares me: Antarctica. The ice in the center is several miles thick. Around the edges along the coast you have sea ice. The sea ice melts quite fast due to the thermal conductivity of the ocean water around it. That melting is going on now (eg the Larsen B ice shelf collapsed last year to the shock & awe of many ice-ologists). If you remove those buttresses, the center collapses outwards to the sea. This could happen over the course of a few hundred years(!!!). That's where the vast majority of land-locked water is, and that's what'll do the serious 75' rise if it happens.
It is estimated that a 100 year storm on the East Coast of the US (read NYC) will be a 3-5 year storm in 50 years. Add to that the east coast is natuarally sinking (the continental plate), and you really don't want any extra sea level rise if you can help it. And we can help it, we're just being selfish lazy fucks. Don't deny it.
Even if things are warming up naturally, we shouldn't help it along to make it go faster.
We aren't fucking the planet, it'll survive, were fucking ourselves. All but a few of the world's major cities lie along the coast. ALL of the great port cities..
Nice to know how sure of yourself you are, but actually you're wrong.
1. Liquid water and ice are not the same density. Therefore, if you melt ice you will end up with a greater volume of water than you had of ice, assuming zero evaporation.
Umm, ice is less dense than water. That's why it floats. Melt it and it takes up less space in liquid form.
ps - Archimedes' principle, First year physics: href="http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Archi me des'+principle
DirecTV has no jurisdiction anywhere outside their own corptate structure. They're a friggin company, not a public instituion granted the right by the people to cast judgement. Same goes for the BSA, *AA, etc. They can't raid you. They can only 'lobby by check' politicians who tell their FBI underlings to do the raid..
Repeat after me: laywers++ != law. Don't let their marketeers get into your brain[*].
These verbal slips are just like "IP" and "DRM" phrases that pass into common usage but are really just twisted-meaning corportate bullshit!
Fight the noun.
[*] remember a faraday cage needs total coverage, so you have to go mummy-like, really. The hat isn't enough.
Dict.org: 2. The authority of a sovereign power to govern or legislate;
the right of making or enforcing laws; the power or right
of exercising authority.
who will get the most votes in 2004, mickey mouse or daffy duck?
The pressing question who will get the most votes in 2003?
* Ah-nold * Garry Coleman * Larry Flint * Gilligan
Welcome to the future! Reality TV meets Salvador Dali meets your paycheck. Who needs voter fraud when you can have constitutional fraud!
(Q: is Mr. T running? I'd vote for him over Arnold. He wouldn't take any shit from Karl Rove, fool. What about Hank the angry drunk dwarf. He's got experience running a winning campain*)
*People Magazine's beautiful person of the year award 2001(?). [online voting]
WTF? if you are going to cut and paste a karma whore, at least do it from another article's thread. And spend the time reinserting the indents-- if you are going to plagiarize, do some work at least and call it "value added".
RTFA. It specifically and repeatedly says the coupons apply to a broad range of hardware and software, including Macs and Linux boxed sets.
Oh great, so I can go buy 5 copies of Debian from CheapBytes. How useful. Can I spend my settlement at paypal to reward my favorite open source project?? Probably not.
This disproportionately helps proprietary vendors (ie 95% of the time Microsoft) at the expense of Open Source software. Settlements need to be for cold hard cash. Accept no imitations. It's a battle for power & control, not short term cash.
Content:who wants to take bets on how long before environmentalists scream that...
you know, the politics works both ways, hypocrisy boy.
---
You know, the author of the article would have more crediblity if he quit using phrases like "Berlin Wall of Solar Power" in the article.
Too true.
here's the thing: some environmentalists are fruit cakes, as are some right-wing nut jobs, as are a certain percentage of the population at large. And there are some very intelligent folk (read scientists and economists, respectively) in both camps as well. Listen to the smart people, not just those with the same label as you slapped on them!!! Think outside the pigeon hole that is your political party.
I usually get a better connection with SpeakFreely than I do over a simultaneous land line connection for my frequent calls to the south pacific. Quite a lot better actually. [Both parties on broadband] My understanding is that the phone co's compress as many calls as they possibly can over those undersea cables..
[yes, this is a repost from another story. but it's a really really good program]
If you are looking for a nice Open Source VoIP client that works on Windows, Linux, and OS/X, try Speakfreely. For linux/osx track down the Tcl/Tk GUI.
encryption, multiple codecs, NAT, the works.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/
The original author and once-again maintainer is John Walker, founder of Autodesk, Inc. and co-author of AutoCAD. (!!!)
note: the debian package is criminally out of date and www.speakfreely.org is depreciated, out of date, and morphed into a commercial site.
Only ONE complaint about Tbird, aside from some minor cosmetic work--at this point in time it requires a third party app to check any sort of webmail--yahoo, netscape, Hotmail/MSN, etc.
These are moving targets which break whenever hotmail/yahoo make even minor changes to their web pages. Aside from legal concerns, it would just attract unwanted fire when it eventaully breaks. Hotmail may have it's undocumented outlook-web feature, but again that exists at the whims of MS, and has spam issues.
This IMHO is a BIG setback, as programs like hotmailpopper et. al. don't cut the mustard
fwiw, fetchyahoo works great. http://packages.debian.org/fetchyahoo
It should be noted that Mr. P.K. had some murky IP issues of his own. Basically he did some assembly level editing & optimizing of Thom Henderson's.ARC format and released it as his own, which grew to be.ZIP.. He basically stole it. http://www.esva.net/~thom/philkatz.html
Any karma really belongs to the person who posted this last time it came up on slashdot, but I thought this should be mentioned at +2.
or how about getting outsourced Debian support from Ian Murdock, the IAN in DebIAN? http://www.progeny.com
And many organizations ARE using debian, whether the PR dept/CEO/you know it or not. Ask the backroom guys or netcraft. For a non-Fortune-500 non-BSD server, can you really name a superior solution?
You know, if MS doesn't do it, there is probably one reason: It does not make big bucks. And remember all the distros out there are made by companies that care about big bucks also.
So my question is, before I goto google for a bit, does anyone have any links to helpful sources for the preservation of our Oceans?
Yes.
Check out the PEW Oceans Commision's final report, released last month. Everything you want to know, without the spin.
"Scientists, fishermen, conservationists, elected leaders, and business officials unveil recommendations to avert decline of ocean wildlife and collapse of ocean ecosystems"
If you are looking for a nice Open Source VoIP client that works on Windows, Linux, and OS/X, try Speakfreely. For linux/osx track down the Tcl/Tk GUI.
encryption, multiple codecs, NAT, the works.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/
The original author and once-again maintainer is John Walker, founder of Autodesk, Inc. and co-author of AutoCAD. (!!!)
note: the debian package is criminally out of date and www.speakfreely.org is depreciated, out of date, and morphed into a commercial site.
I doubt Microsoft contributed anywhere near as much money as the religious special interest groups have, but that doesn't seem to stop the president from trying to reach out to the homosexual vote (and pissing off said special interests in the process).
He can afford to-- what are the Baptists going to not vote for the Republican candidate, esp. if he[*] is cross listed as the RTL candidate.
Same reason a middle-right Clinton could ignore the far left. That legacy ended up backfiring for Gore in the long run of course..
[*] if we were talking about another party I might use 'they', but we aren't, tokens aside, so I won't.
maybe if it wasn't micro-managed from afar through congressional budget blackmail, politics, and as a conduit for pork-barrel projects in the space-committee's home towns; NASA might be able to do some real science instead of resorting to dumbed down PR friendly but otherwise useless missions.
You don't need a fuel-cell engine. Rockets right now burn hydrogen and oxygen together to create thrust... They could use solar power to electrolyze the water, and collect the gasses for fuel. No need to perfect the fuel cell.
Yes, but the fuel cell 2H+O=>H2O reaction to provide the energy that drives an ion-thrust engine is much more efficient than just burning O in the conventional way.
And the fuel cell is almost there for this sort of application. (see NASA's Helios [RIP] plane at Dryden)
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Because people (like you apparently) accept this as normal and just the way it is. My point is the status quo sucks and will only get worse if we don't start standing up for ourselves a bit better.
yes, which is why my rant had the part about 'verbal slips' being not so accidental after all.
Yes, it is sinking. As it spreads from the mid-atlantic ridge, it cools and becomes more dense, and shrinks (think heating balloon expands; cooling it shrinks). You are correct that there is not a subduction boundary along the east coast. Yet it sinks.
And me saying it is sinking isn't based on that theory, it is based on tidal records at the Battery in NYC over the last 100-150 years. 10cm per 100 years or somthing like that.
As an earlier responder pointed out- Lewiston, Idaho
My point was a great deal of the earth's population will be displaced. Most of the mega-cities included.
Usually you can do Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+ and Ctrl-Alt-Numpad- to switch the screen size in X for the last few years. It isn't much good for working, but good for switching to 800x600 for temporary magnification.
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4, look for the following.
in
It cycles through the resolutions in the order listed there.
-=-=--=-=-=-=-
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Generic Video Card"
Monitor "Generic Monitor"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
EndSection
-=-=--=-=-=-=-
Let me help clue some people in here.
i me des'+principle
Because Me so smart.
come off it dude.
Better than throwing about your half understandings as truth, you could actually look at your notes from first year physics and understand the wonder of Archimedes' principle for yourself, THEN try to explain it.
href="http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Arch
As others have noted, if you melt the north pole, you're probably melting Greenland & co. as well, which does add to sea-level rise++. Also your ice melted becuase the oceans are a little warmer (latent heat of liquification, yea, yea. it still gets warmer after the ice is all gone) thus the oceans are less dense, and expand (ie upwards).
The bit about all the added fresh water being less dense is interesting, but doesn't make up for the "it isn't just the sea ice melting" problem.
The bit that really scares me: Antarctica. The ice in the center is several miles thick. Around the edges along the coast you have sea ice.
The sea ice melts quite fast due to the thermal conductivity of the ocean water around it. That melting is going on now (eg the Larsen B ice shelf collapsed last year to the shock & awe of many ice-ologists). If you remove those buttresses, the center collapses outwards to the sea. This could happen over the course of a few hundred years(!!!). That's where the vast majority of land-locked water is, and that's what'll do the serious 75' rise if it happens.
It is estimated that a 100 year storm on the East Coast of the US (read NYC) will be a 3-5 year storm in 50 years. Add to that the east coast is natuarally sinking (the continental plate), and you really don't want any extra sea level rise if you can help it. And we can help it, we're just being selfish lazy fucks. Don't deny it.
Even if things are warming up naturally, we shouldn't help it along to make it go faster.
We aren't fucking the planet, it'll survive, were fucking ourselves. All but a few of the world's major cities lie along the coast. ALL of the great port cities..
Nice to know how sure of yourself you are, but actually you're wrong.
Umm, ice is less dense than water. That's why it floats. Melt it and it takes up less space in liquid form.
ps - Archimedes' principle, First year physics:
href="http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Arch
DirecTV has no jurisdiction anywhere outside their own corptate structure. They're a friggin company, not a public instituion granted the right by the people to cast judgement. Same goes for the BSA, *AA, etc. They can't raid you. They can only 'lobby by check' politicians who tell their FBI underlings to do the raid..
Repeat after me: laywers++ != law. Don't let their marketeers get into your brain[*].
These verbal slips are just like "IP" and "DRM" phrases that pass into common usage but are really just twisted-meaning corportate bullshit!
Fight the noun.
[*] remember a faraday cage needs total coverage, so you have to go mummy-like, really.
The hat isn't enough.
who will get the most votes in 2004, mickey mouse or daffy duck?
The pressing question who will get the most votes in 2003?
* Ah-nold
* Garry Coleman
* Larry Flint
* Gilligan
Welcome to the future! Reality TV meets Salvador Dali meets your paycheck.
Who needs voter fraud when you can have constitutional fraud!
(Q: is Mr. T running? I'd vote for him over Arnold. He wouldn't take any shit from Karl Rove, fool.
What about Hank the angry drunk dwarf. He's got experience running a winning campain*)
*People Magazine's beautiful person of the year award 2001(?). [online voting]
WTF? if you are going to cut and paste a karma whore, at least do it from another article's thread. And spend the time reinserting the indents-- if you are going to plagiarize, do some work at least and call it "value added".
(#6602870)
Oh great, so I can go buy 5 copies of Debian from CheapBytes. How useful. Can I spend my settlement at paypal to reward my favorite open source project?? Probably not.
This disproportionately helps proprietary vendors (ie 95% of the time Microsoft) at the expense of Open Source software. Settlements need to be for cold hard cash. Accept no imitations. It's a battle for power & control, not short term cash.
Subject: Leave the enviropolitics out
...
Content: who wants to take bets on how long before environmentalists scream that
you know, the politics works both ways, hypocrisy boy.
---
You know, the author of the article would have more crediblity if he quit using phrases like "Berlin Wall of Solar Power" in the article.
Too true.
here's the thing: some environmentalists are fruit cakes, as are some right-wing nut jobs, as are a certain percentage of the population at large. And there are some very intelligent folk (read scientists and economists, respectively) in both camps as well. Listen to the smart people, not just those with the same label as you slapped on them!!! Think outside the pigeon hole that is your political party.
I usually get a better connection with SpeakFreely than I do over a simultaneous land line connection for my frequent calls to the south pacific. Quite a lot better actually. [Both parties on broadband] My understanding is that the phone co's compress as many calls as they possibly can over those undersea cables..
more plug:
here
[yes, this is a repost from another story. but it's a really really good program]
If you are looking for a nice Open Source VoIP client that works on Windows, Linux, and OS/X, try Speakfreely. For linux/osx track down the Tcl/Tk GUI.
encryption, multiple codecs, NAT, the works.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/
The original author and once-again maintainer is John Walker, founder of Autodesk, Inc. and co-author of AutoCAD. (!!!)
note: the debian package is criminally out of date and www.speakfreely.org is depreciated, out of date, and morphed into a commercial site.
These are moving targets which break whenever hotmail/yahoo make even minor changes to their web pages. Aside from legal concerns, it would just attract unwanted fire when it eventaully breaks.
Hotmail may have it's undocumented outlook-web feature, but again that exists at the whims of MS, and has spam issues.
fwiw, fetchyahoo works great.
http://packages.debian.org/fetchyahoo
It should be noted that Mr. P.K. had some murky IP issues of his own. Basically he did some assembly level editing & optimizing of Thom Henderson's .ARC format and released it as his own, which grew to be .ZIP..
He basically stole it.
http://www.esva.net/~thom/philkatz.html
Any karma really belongs to the person who posted this last time it came up on slashdot, but I thought this should be mentioned at +2.
Ahem.
http://www.debian.org/users
or how about getting outsourced Debian support from Ian Murdock, the IAN in DebIAN?
http://www.progeny.com
And many organizations ARE using debian, whether the PR dept/CEO/you know it or not. Ask the backroom guys or netcraft. For a non-Fortune-500 non-BSD server, can you really name a superior solution?
Ahem.
http://www.debian.org/social_contract
[queue empty slide projector]
..."
"SA shadow innovation [...] minister Martin Hamilton-Smith said
That's not a bunny -- it's a roo. Fair dinkum.
So my question is, before I goto google for a bit, does anyone have any links to helpful sources for the preservation of our Oceans?
Yes.
Check out the PEW Oceans Commision's final report, released last month. Everything you want to know, without the spin.
"Scientists, fishermen, conservationists, elected leaders, and business officials unveil recommendations to avert decline of ocean wildlife and collapse of ocean ecosystems"
http://www.pewoceans.org/
If you are looking for a nice Open Source VoIP client that works on Windows, Linux, and OS/X, try Speakfreely. For linux/osx track down the Tcl/Tk GUI.
encryption, multiple codecs, NAT, the works.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/
The original author and once-again maintainer is John Walker, founder of Autodesk, Inc. and co-author of AutoCAD. (!!!)
note: the debian package is criminally out of date and www.speakfreely.org is depreciated, out of date, and morphed into a commercial site.
In tests I ran, using the maintain-precision flag '-mp1', no -O flag, and the processor optimizations was almost as fast as using all optimizations.
I assume the -O flags sacrifice quality for speed, and the Pentium4 flags don't cost you any quality but do give you access to speed.(?)
I couldn't get the model results to be very different anyhow, but it feels good to use -mp1 somehow.
He can afford to-- what are the Baptists going to not vote for the Republican candidate, esp. if he[*] is cross listed as the RTL candidate.
Same reason a middle-right Clinton could ignore the far left. That legacy ended up backfiring for Gore in the long run of course..
[*] if we were talking about another party I might use 'they', but we aren't, tokens aside, so I won't.
maybe if it wasn't micro-managed from afar through congressional budget blackmail, politics, and as a conduit for pork-barrel projects in the space-committee's home towns; NASA might be able to do some real science instead of resorting to dumbed down PR friendly but otherwise useless missions.
You don't need a fuel-cell engine.
Rockets right now burn hydrogen and oxygen together to create thrust...
They could use solar power to electrolyze the water, and collect the gasses for fuel. No need to perfect the fuel cell.
Yes, but the fuel cell 2H+O=>H2O reaction to provide the energy that drives an ion-thrust engine is much more efficient than just burning O in the conventional way.
And the fuel cell is almost there for this sort of application. (see NASA's Helios [RIP] plane at Dryden)