"So think about how much each car cost them, then that they were leasing them for almost normal lease prices. GM lost a crap load of money on it just to come to the same conclusion everyone knew before hand, EV's are a waste."
read what you quoted in your own post. With R&D, IP is what you get for your money, not instant profits. This IP leads to speed of design and profits on future production models.
'Their success with simply getting them on the road helped to prototype technologies for newer cars, and it at least gave them some experience with how the technology behaved once implemented on a relatively decent scale.'
"When fuel cells come to market if they do which i don't see for the forseeable future (IE a decade)"
aka Q4 this year (/. search fuel cell laptop | cellphone | pda).... [aka 18 months ago (google fuel cell city bus)] [aka 1980 (google fuel cell space shuttle)]
"If 1 company comes out before everyone else with them and their cars have proplems or are simply not something people want the whole market is shot."
Just like the operating system market....
"It would be like GM's half ass attempts at bring Diesel cars out in the 70's the cars sucked so bad the market in the US was destroyed from there after."
Either that or [stupid protectionist] restrictive import laws that keep them off the market in the US even though Europe's feelin the TDI love of +25% fuel economy with better performance....
"Ford is spending years upon years tuning the Hybrid escape to ensure no problems."
Or maxize PR value without actually doing anything....
"Imaging if the Honda insight made it to market first, the image of hybrids would have been ruined. People would think a small impractical ugly car every time someone said hybrid and wouldn't like the idea of hybrids."
Umm, I think Honda did make it to market first.. by almost a year.... (?)
"You don't ever see to much new tech introduced on econbox/cheap cars do you."
It's cheap for a reason.. R&D costs..
"If they did people wouldn't want it becuase it would be seen as crap."
But they are crap. This is common knowledge. People buy em because they're cheap.
"As is the fuel cell car industry is seeing their odds for happening twindle, hybrids using IC engines, and or Hyrdrogen powered IC engine cars are looking better and better as the realities of the fuel cell cars come more aparent"
I think this last sentence sums up your post. Most of it makes no sense, the rest is either flat out wrong or pure (out-there) sepeculation with nothing to back it up spoken with authority. +5. Heh. I love this place. I mean the *whole post* is wrong. It's unpossible.
Q: "The PROBLEM was that as the water split into H and O the catalyst to the reaction (salt) began to built up on the nodes to the point that it greatly interfered with the reaction."
A: wave action on suitably designed plates, you have to flush the bath at some point anyway. Fill the ballast, sink the tub, let the waves clean it, after a while refill the ballast tanks with compressed air (from your offshore wind gens of course) and off you go.
Another posts describes the incomplete GNU F95 project. http://g95.sourceforge.net/
You can get the Intel Fortran Compiler, (free for non-commercial use) here: http://developer.intel.com/software/product s/compi lers/flin/ note it works fine on AMD with i686 opts.
Add'ly, Lahey has a free 30-day trial, and PGI doesn't.
None of those but the GNU are open-source of course.
The other meme I want to start is let's just call the next few years: 3, 4, 5. Since we can write the 00's but can't pronounce it sensibily, let's just knock off the whole 200x and call it 3.
The pronunciation answser of course is the "naughties"
And sign your checks 6/8/3 and what not. Might as well put 003 instead of 03 after all. or 2.003e-03 if you really want to confuse the teller.
Hey Babs.. if I were you I'd be more concerened with the toxic green gook flowing out of the tube and down the cliff on the north side of your property. Or that semi-clothed homeless guy on the beach looking for a place to climb up and 'soil' your pool. Then again, maybe he can save your marriage [man that movie sucked].
Debian is quite nice but I have yet to find a way to use some packages from stable, some from testing, and some from unstable, while still having everything getting along.
How to do it:
- install as stable - change/etc/apt/apt.conf to include the following:
APT {
Default-Release "stable"; };
- add a 'testing' line to the end of your/etc/apt/sources.list file. (cut-n-paste your existing stable line, replace 'stable' or 'woody' with 'testing' or 'unstable' depending on what you want. or both, each on their own line) Add non-US lines as needed.
- apt-get update
All set up! To grab a package from the testing or unstable branch, and anything it depends on but otherwise leave your system tracking 'stable', use:
apt-get -t testing install PACKAGE
and check that you don't need to upgrade/uninstall 100mb before you start.
Another way is to add deb-src lines and apt-get source --build the package, although I haven't used this for yonks as the -t above works so well.
This is quantifiable legitimacy. Don't underestimate the value of that in the eyes of non-techie types who may just be the ones deciding whether to use Ogg or not in their company.
"Published Standard, RFC 3533" is a nice bullet in the PowerPoint presentation to the boss when you are trying to convince them to use some free software.
Not that it means much in reality, but when did we leave reality? About the time Gore won the presidency I think. Probably long before then, but then again I'm young so cut me some slack. But I digress..
Much like the ISO9001 or Mil.Spec. tags you see everywhere- if it didn't affect people's purchasing decisions, you wouldn't see 'em used!
> I always thought it would be a cool project to convert a bunch of subway cars into a liveable house.
You could corral them and have a nice courtyard pool.
> However, the logistics involved in transporting a 40,000 lb subway car.
I didn't check the gauge of the things, but maybe you could have it transported by [drumroll] rail?
Whacking a longer axle and couplings on it couldn't be too hard for scrapheap challenge types. Finding a rail co. who'll hook it up as a caboose would be more tricky..
It's a pity this eBay offering isn't brought to us by Max Power, Inc., like the airplane-house on a pole was.
Who said "America- land of free" must now be turning in graves.
"Soon we will be able to harness the rotational energy from Orwell's grave to solve all world energy problems" - GigsVT (#208848 [there is no #1, #6])
This might work on Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson's graves as well.
But don't worry, the oil companies and their puppet government won't stand for this nonsense for very long. They'll buy & bury the technology soon enough.
The new version of SpeakFreely for UNIX, mentioned here already several times, will handle NAT. From the v7.6 announcement:
The NAT Patch by Tor-Åke Fransson has been integrated into this release and enabled by default; this patch permits users behind routers and firewalls which perform Network Address Translation boxes to contact users who aren't.
Don't forget to try the Tcl/Tk v0.8.1 interface!
The windows version looks like it has been orphaned, so you'll have to patch it yourself if you want NAT on that. And add Speex 1.0 support while you're at it, eh?
But the program is great, and we have the code. Surely someone could pick it up. (see the UNIX SpeakFreely site, someone may have already in a limmited way)
It's a wonderful program and it would be terrible for it to be let go too long. Wasn't there some talk of porting it to WxWindows, so the Mac people could play too? (the UNIX cli/tcl versions might work, but aren't as nice as the Windows version)
The reason for the missing 2.2.24 changlelog is because between -rc5 and 2.2.24 there isn't one. It's the same thing with the tag changed, just aged for a couple of weeks for confidence, ala Debian/testing or Marcelo style.
[note the tag change was from -rc4 apparently as -rc5 missed that]
For the very best in non-commercial NY music variety..
90.7 WFUV Fordham Univ, uptown, don't recall where their transmitter is. 89.5 WPKN Bridgeport Conn, just just get it in NYC. Best friggin radio station in the world for people with open minds and ears. Makes NPR look like CNN.
Both stream world wide... but try back at different times, as the different shows are, well, actually different.
In regards to the great flood of '52, I've got to repeat the old mantra.. "correlation does not predicate causality." (eg, "everyone who goes to the dentist dies")
It is very very hard to seed clouds. You've got to get the silver iodide (or whatever) concentration just right- too many condensation nuclei and all you get is suspended fog. Too few, and the dropplets grow too slowly (collision is a major growth process). There've been many attempts over the years, but it is really really hard to prove correlation in the wild.. (send refs if you know otherwise!)
Even if you can make clouds, it doesn't mean you make rain. At all.
Now if they could only figure out the upper reflection vs greenhouse effect balance, more clouds might help solve our global warming problem. Or make it much worse.
..if even just 5% of our research science budget went to blue sky research, it would be a good thing (and IMO would pay back ++). If only our 'philosopher king' were less of a king and more of a philosopher...
Slashdot Mirror
The xmms playlist makes it around to bouncing around the room (ogg:), reload slashdot, ahhhh.....
A great man once said "If the Grateful Dead were like watching a beautiful sunset, Phish are like a blowjob."
Not only that, have you seen one of those vehicles? And for that matter, any environmentally friendly vehicle? They all look like crap.
Yeh, that "Hybrid" tag on the back on the new Honda Civic really detracts from the overall ensemble..
"So think about how much each car cost them, then that they were leasing them for almost normal lease prices. GM lost a crap load of money on it just to come to the same conclusion everyone knew before hand, EV's are a waste."
read what you quoted in your own post. With R&D, IP is what you get for your money, not instant profits. This IP leads to speed of design and profits on future production models.
"When fuel cells come to market if they do which i don't see for the forseeable future (IE a decade)"
aka Q4 this year (/. search fuel cell laptop | cellphone | pda)
[aka 18 months ago (google fuel cell city bus)]
[aka 1980 (google fuel cell space shuttle)]
"If 1 company comes out before everyone else with them and their cars have proplems or are simply not something people want the whole market is shot."
Just like the operating system market
"It would be like GM's half ass attempts at bring Diesel cars out in the 70's the cars sucked so bad the market in the US was destroyed from there after."
Either that or [stupid protectionist] restrictive import laws that keep them off the market in the US even though Europe's feelin the TDI love of +25% fuel economy with better performance
"Ford is spending years upon years tuning the Hybrid escape to ensure no problems."
Or maxize PR value without actually doing anything
"Imaging if the Honda insight made it to market first, the image of hybrids would have been ruined. People would think a small impractical ugly car every time someone said hybrid and wouldn't like the idea of hybrids."
Umm, I think Honda did make it to market first.. by almost a year
(?)
"You don't ever see to much new tech introduced on econbox/cheap cars do you."
It's cheap for a reason.. R&D costs..
"If they did people wouldn't want it becuase it would be seen as crap."
But they are crap. This is common knowledge. People buy em because they're cheap.
"As is the fuel cell car industry is seeing their odds for happening twindle, hybrids using IC engines, and or Hyrdrogen powered IC engine cars are looking better and better as the realities of the fuel cell cars come more aparent"
I think this last sentence sums up your post. Most of it makes no sense, the rest is either flat out wrong or pure (out-there) sepeculation with nothing to back it up spoken with authority. +5. Heh. I love this place.
I mean the *whole post* is wrong. It's unpossible.
Q: "The PROBLEM was that as the water split into H and O the catalyst to the reaction (salt) began to built up on the nodes to the point that it greatly interfered with the reaction."
A: wave action on suitably designed plates, you have to flush the bath at some point anyway. Fill the ballast, sink the tub, let the waves clean it, after a while refill the ballast tanks with compressed air (from your offshore wind gens of course) and off you go.
Another posts describes the incomplete GNU F95 project. http://g95.sourceforge.net/
t s/compi lers/flin/
You can get the Intel Fortran Compiler, (free for non-commercial use) here:
http://developer.intel.com/software/produc
note it works fine on AMD with i686 opts.
Add'ly, Lahey has a free 30-day trial, and PGI doesn't.
None of those but the GNU are open-source of course.
The pronunciation answser of course is the "naughties"
And sign your checks 6/8/3 and what not. Might as well put 003 instead of 03 after all. or 2.003e-03 if you really want to confuse the teller.
Hey Babs.. if I were you I'd be more concerened with the toxic green gook flowing out of the tube and down the cliff on the north side of your property. Or that semi-clothed homeless guy on the beach looking for a place to climb up and 'soil' your pool. Then again, maybe he can save your marriage [man that movie sucked].
The the take home point here is the $1200 dive computer WAS the best on the market, if($$ == best). See the problem?
Unfortunately for these poor folk, sometimes cheaper is better value.
And again, in case anyone missed it, redunancy is a good thing.
It has a 100% reduction in sulphides compared to standard diesel fuel
Don't you need to feed it sulphur pills to lube the injectors, or does the veggies do that. ?? Do you know? I don't.
It isn't hard to make your own you know. Check out the online articles at home-power magazine.
How to do it:
- install as stable
- change
APT
{
Default-Release "stable";
};
- add a 'testing' line to the end of your
- apt-get update
All set up!
To grab a package from the testing or unstable branch, and anything it depends on but otherwise leave your system tracking 'stable', use:
apt-get -t testing install PACKAGE
and check that you don't need to upgrade/uninstall 100mb before you start.
Another way is to add deb-src lines and apt-get source --build the package, although I haven't used this for yonks as the -t above works so well.
Happy debianizing.
This is quantifiable legitimacy. Don't underestimate the value of that in the eyes of non-techie types who may just be the ones deciding whether to use Ogg or not in their company.
"Published Standard, RFC 3533" is a nice bullet in the PowerPoint presentation to the boss when you are trying to convince them to use some free software.
Not that it means much in reality, but when did we leave reality? About the time Gore won the presidency I think. Probably long before then, but then again I'm young so cut me some slack. But I digress..
Much like the ISO9001 or Mil.Spec. tags you see everywhere- if it didn't affect people's purchasing decisions, you wouldn't see 'em used!
> I always thought it would be a cool project to convert a bunch of subway cars into a liveable house.
You could corral them and have a nice courtyard pool.
> However, the logistics involved in transporting a 40,000 lb subway car.
I didn't check the gauge of the things, but maybe you could have it transported by [drumroll] rail?
Whacking a longer axle and couplings on it couldn't be too hard for scrapheap challenge types. Finding a rail co. who'll hook it up as a caboose would be more tricky..
It's a pity this eBay offering isn't brought to us by Max Power, Inc., like the airplane-house on a pole was.
And here I've been using A = 65 B = 66... damn.
"Soon we will be able to harness the rotational energy from Orwell's grave to solve all world energy problems"
- GigsVT (#208848 [there is no #1, #6])
This might work on Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson's graves as well.
But don't worry, the oil companies and their puppet government won't stand for this nonsense for very long. They'll buy & bury the technology soon enough.
Don't forget to try the Tcl/Tk v0.8.1 interface!
The windows version looks like it has been orphaned, so you'll have to patch it yourself if you want NAT on that. And add Speex 1.0 support while you're at it, eh?
see the UNIX SpeakFreely site, someone may have already ...
Yes! and there's even a new version out. Go GPL you good thing.
Wasn't there some talk of porting it to WxWindows
Oh, a trip to the Windows speakfreely site shows what happened to that apparently..... oh well, can't blame the guy for wanting to earn a living.
But the program is great, and we have the code. Surely someone could pick it up. (see the UNIX SpeakFreely site, someone may have already in a limmited way)
It's a wonderful program and it would be terrible for it to be let go too long. Wasn't there some talk of porting it to WxWindows, so the Mac people could play too? (the UNIX cli/tcl versions might work, but aren't as nice as the Windows version)
Again, it's really great software.
Or about a penny a comic.
$50 / 5475 = $0.0091
Try Ctrl-Alt-Numpad_- in X
The reason for the missing 2.2.24 changlelog is because between -rc5 and 2.2.24 there isn't one. It's the same thing with the tag changed, just aged for a couple of weeks for confidence, ala Debian/testing or Marcelo style.
[note the tag change was from -rc4 apparently as -rc5 missed that]
> The bus does not always run to the exact minute that they obviously do in New York
ha!
almost forgot:
660 AM WFAN Lets go Mets!
For the very best in non-commercial NY music variety..
90.7 WFUV Fordham Univ, uptown, don't recall where their transmitter is.
89.5 WPKN Bridgeport Conn, just just get it in NYC. Best friggin radio station in the world for people with open minds and ears. Makes NPR look like CNN.
Both stream world wide... but try back at different times, as the different shows are, well, actually different.
In regards to the great flood of '52, I've got to repeat the old mantra.. "correlation does not predicate causality." (eg, "everyone who goes to the dentist dies")
..if even just 5% of our research science budget went to blue sky research, it would be a good thing (and IMO would pay back ++). If only our 'philosopher king' were less of a king and more of a philosopher...
It is very very hard to seed clouds. You've got to get the silver iodide (or whatever) concentration just right- too many condensation nuclei and all you get is suspended fog. Too few, and the dropplets grow too slowly (collision is a major growth process). There've been many attempts over the years, but it is really really hard to prove correlation in the wild.. (send refs if you know otherwise!)
Even if you can make clouds, it doesn't mean you make rain. At all.
Now if they could only figure out the upper reflection vs greenhouse effect balance, more clouds might help solve our global warming problem. Or make it much worse.
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mind the mailbox
mind the child
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mind the tv
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