You're talking about proprietary drivers and modules -- nobody cares about them, that's why the interfaces do tend to change a lot in the unstable branch.
But if those modules are GPL'd and put in the standard kernel, then the same subset people who change the interfaces are the ones who go around and change the modules' calls.
For the proprietary modules, they often only choose the standard, stable kernels anyway (or take a stable version and build it into their devices). Nobody changes those interfaces often enough to cause problems, that's the whole point of a stable branch. Also, a major release only happens, what, every two years? Even longer before most vendors support and ship them.
I don't think interface stability is/should be a big issue.
It doesn't make sense -- a business plan is the most boring thing I could possible think of. I make widget X and sell to people Y. How is this unique, and how can *anybody* claim prior art didn't exist going back to before 500 B.C.?
Blockbuster rents you a movie, you go home with it and then you have to return it.
Netflix mails you a movie, you watch it, you have to return it to watch another.
How could this idea possibly be so unique that it requires the government to officially grant a monopoly?
It's not restricted to the elite but by god, people should have to learn something to install Linux. They should have to ask questions and participate in forums.
Otherwise we risk never training the next generations in this culture -- we'll lose everything to a bunch of ex-Windows users we have no idea of the history of *nix. The few remaining who do have leetness will be doomed to spending the rest of their careers cleaning up drool.
No, thanks. I really believe in mentoring. We should be spending less time on the drool factor and more time on the actual admins, preparing them and training them about what is unique about *nix. Those who expect it to be just like Windows can go piss up a rope, in my opinion.:-)
As for the users, the idea the software should be an appliance and that anybody who can hold a keyboard can administer that computer -- any computer -- is ridiculous. People pay to have cable boxes installed and to have their VCR hooked up to it, for pity's sake. If they want a computer, they should expect that from time to time, that system will require maintenance by an expert.
The business people need to know all sorts of things that reports provide. They're always going to need to see it some new way for a client, or figure out a better way to view the data.
How is giving them what they need not helping a company?
What's really lame is spending two or three hours with awk and friends stringing things together like `rpm -e gnome-core | awk '{print %1}' | xargs rpm -e ` to get the size down/remove unwanted cruft.
pfft. So he sent you a new box, that's nice and all but if you'd gone with commodity hardware and FOSS software you wouldn't have had to make the call in the first place.
Any service that I run can easily be moved to another server. Probably with a performance hit (the reason for having multiple in the first place) but it's still much faster to run a tape restore than wait for a system in the mail.
The point is: if you're locked into proprietary software/hardware, it doesn't make a difference how nice the vendor is. You're still locked in.
They're probably just biding their time, I know that's what I've been doing.
If they're still using NT, they're significantly less locked-in than most companies. I'd bet they'll just wait a year or two for NT support to run out (to warrant to their bosses the cost of the migration) and for desktop Linux to mature a bit.
I betcha they'll be making another announcement in a year or two.:-)
That's what my boss thought, too. You should be able to crack a somewhat busy network using 64 bits in about eight hours with AirSnort. It took me about sixteen to recover the password (longer because it was just one host and me running `ping -f -c 1 wifi` from my desktop).
WEP will only deter the laziest script kiddie... Sorry.:-)
Wow, I don't know why I bother posting in these damn forums anymore, everybody is just geared for a fight.
Look, if we build it exactly like Windows we piss off old school Unix users and the Mac users, all of whom think their way is the Right Way. And then all of them chime in unison, "the community just lacks creativity, they just copied Windows!"
"you will do it on my terms, not yours"
Whatever makes you happy. Look, if you buy a Mac, you wouldn't expect it to work like Windows. If you purchase OS2, you wouldn't expect it to work like Windows. But if you install Linux here you are complaining it doesn't work like Windows.
If you change platforms, expect to learn something new. Sure, when I first switched years ago, I was confused by the clipboards -- but I learned. I wasn't being egotisical earlier. I was speaking the truth: just because Linux isn't Windows doesn't mean Linux is wrong.
And you know what? Windows aggrevates me because it doesn't work like Linux.:-)
"So... I usually just resort to opening a fresh browser window, or clicking at the end of the old URL and holding down backspace. Maybe I am just an idiot, but this seems stupid."
Mouse gestures are great -- right-click and mouse downward to open a new tab, then middle-click to load the url on the clipboard. I do this all the time, no big deal.
Just because it doesn't work like you expected it to, doesn't mean it's wrong....
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...a leftover from the days when it they had to send enough energy to drive the electomechanical bell.
:-)
Oi, I still have one of those.
You're talking about proprietary drivers and modules -- nobody cares about them, that's why the interfaces do tend to change a lot in the unstable branch.
But if those modules are GPL'd and put in the standard kernel, then the same subset people who change the interfaces are the ones who go around and change the modules' calls.
For the proprietary modules, they often only choose the standard, stable kernels anyway (or take a stable version and build it into their devices). Nobody changes those interfaces often enough to cause problems, that's the whole point of a stable branch. Also, a major release only happens, what, every two years? Even longer before most vendors support and ship them.
I don't think interface stability is/should be a big issue.
It doesn't make sense -- a business plan is the most boring thing I could possible think of. I make widget X and sell to people Y. How is this unique, and how can *anybody* claim prior art didn't exist going back to before 500 B.C.?
Blockbuster rents you a movie, you go home with it and then you have to return it.
Netflix mails you a movie, you watch it, you have to return it to watch another.
How could this idea possibly be so unique that it requires the government to officially grant a monopoly?
Quite simply: patents should not granted for business plans, irregardless of what 'fair' is to you or anybody else....
That is the upgrade price.
Considering it's not possible to buy and Apple computer without X, how many people do you really think are doing new installs?
Uh, where have you been?
download the removal utility.
Very funny, I wish I had some mod points. :-)
It's not restricted to the elite but by god, people should have to learn something to install Linux. They should have to ask questions and participate in forums.
:-)
Otherwise we risk never training the next generations in this culture -- we'll lose everything to a bunch of ex-Windows users we have no idea of the history of *nix. The few remaining who do have leetness will be doomed to spending the rest of their careers cleaning up drool.
No, thanks. I really believe in mentoring. We should be spending less time on the drool factor and more time on the actual admins, preparing them and training them about what is unique about *nix. Those who expect it to be just like Windows can go piss up a rope, in my opinion.
As for the users, the idea the software should be an appliance and that anybody who can hold a keyboard can administer that computer -- any computer -- is ridiculous. People pay to have cable boxes installed and to have their VCR hooked up to it, for pity's sake. If they want a computer, they should expect that from time to time, that system will require maintenance by an expert.
Hopefully that expert will be 'leet.'
"What's your point? If I give the code away, it's instantly a better program or system?"
Why, yes.
If I have the code, it's more valuable to me.
Hey now, she speaks the truth.
The business people need to know all sorts of things that reports provide. They're always going to need to see it some new way for a client, or figure out a better way to view the data.
How is giving them what they need not helping a company?
What's really lame is spending two or three hours with awk and friends stringing things together like `rpm -e gnome-core | awk '{print %1}' | xargs rpm -e ` to get the size down/remove unwanted cruft.
:-)
`apt-get remove` is sooo much better.
I got a twenty thousand dollar raise, thanks. :-)
pfft. So he sent you a new box, that's nice and all but if you'd gone with commodity hardware and FOSS software you wouldn't have had to make the call in the first place.
Any service that I run can easily be moved to another server. Probably with a performance hit (the reason for having multiple in the first place) but it's still much faster to run a tape restore than wait for a system in the mail.
The point is: if you're locked into proprietary software/hardware, it doesn't make a difference how nice the vendor is. You're still locked in.
They're probably just biding their time, I know that's what I've been doing.
:-)
If they're still using NT, they're significantly less locked-in than most companies. I'd bet they'll just wait a year or two for NT support to run out (to warrant to their bosses the cost of the migration) and for desktop Linux to mature a bit.
I betcha they'll be making another announcement in a year or two.
err..
:-)
Misread that. That's three iSeries and six xSeries. Point still stands, however.
Dude, read the article. Their consolidating on eight iSeries from IBM.
I'm sorta guessing it wasn't a price advantage their interested in.
Insightful?
You didn't read the article... They discuss and dismiss the population change as about 10% of the results.
You see how far away things are with two eyes, right? You can tell the direction a sound came from with two ears, right?
:-)
I'm sorry, I don't follow you... Sounds like a piece of cake to me.
With the right equipment, of course.
That's what my boss thought, too. You should be able to crack a somewhat busy network using 64 bits in about eight hours with AirSnort. It took me about sixteen to recover the password (longer because it was just one host and me running `ping -f -c 1 wifi` from my desktop).
:-)
WEP will only deter the laziest script kiddie... Sorry.
Uh... the Mac's powerpc chips are 32 bit, but you could run Linux on it. :-)
As long as you catch up. :-)
Wow, I don't know why I bother posting in these damn forums anymore, everybody is just geared for a fight.
:-)
Look, if we build it exactly like Windows we piss off old school Unix users and the Mac users, all of whom think their way is the Right Way. And then all of them chime in unison, "the community just lacks creativity, they just copied Windows!"
"you will do it on my terms, not yours"
Whatever makes you happy. Look, if you buy a Mac, you wouldn't expect it to work like Windows. If you purchase OS2, you wouldn't expect it to work like Windows. But if you install Linux here you are complaining it doesn't work like Windows.
If you change platforms, expect to learn something new. Sure, when I first switched years ago, I was confused by the clipboards -- but I learned. I wasn't being egotisical earlier. I was speaking the truth: just because Linux isn't Windows doesn't mean Linux is wrong.
And you know what? Windows aggrevates me because it doesn't work like Linux.
"So... I usually just resort to opening a fresh browser window, or clicking at the end of the old URL and holding down backspace. Maybe I am just an idiot, but this seems stupid."
Mouse gestures are great -- right-click and mouse downward to open a new tab, then middle-click to load the url on the clipboard. I do this all the time, no big deal.
Just because it doesn't work like you expected it to, doesn't mean it's wrong....
Nah, a few people are switching hardware platforms but I think plenty of people are installing Linux.