Copyright infringement is not theft, has never been theft, will never be theft (unless things get even more out of hand...). It is, however, illegal.
What's next? if you're on the road, and someone pulls in front of you, thus "stealing" your lane, shall that be called theft too? Or if someone knocks you out, depriving you of consciousness, is that also "theft"? I'd think that would be assault and battery, no? So, downloading music without getting the permission of the copyright holder is infringement, not theft.
IANAL, but typically it is the distributer of the infringing material that can be persecuted, not the downloader.
I'll be listening to a nice irish folk song, and then the next thing I know a Peter Tosh song is playing. After that some Enya stuff. Then Chief Jim Billie... I like it.
intellectual property is not a concrete concept; copyrights, trademarks, patents, and trade secrets are very different laws.
Ideas are not property. They are not governed by property law. They are governed by copyright law. If I make something, I can stipulate how it is copied, to some extent. Trademarks are not property. They are governed by trademark law. etc.
"GPL is based on copyright law" sounds strange to me. The GPL is just a distribution license, after all.
I don't think anyone wants to force you to write libre software. People like RMS just find doing the opposite to be immoral...
Do you have proof that some FS leader person has said "nobody should be able to copyright software"? (Not trying to be rude or anything, just curious)
Free as in speech for software is not about the software's/own/ freedom, it is about/my/ freedom to use it and change it.
There is no such animal as intellectual property rights. There are copy rights (and sadly, patents) for software, and trademarks for the names of software items.
Free Software is an exercise of copyrights. I personally like copyrights, because without them, I would not be able to GPL my software.
Everyone is free to make non-free software, as I am free to gleefully not use it. Or, as is the case sometimes, write a own free version of some non-free thing.
I think the worry is that it is perhaps easier to
do things like this in developing countries.
Not sure if an assumption of less law enforcement
is a fair assumption or not. I lack data
to make such an assumption. *shrugs*.
Anyway, I, as a American college student, say
that while I worry a little about my financial
future, do not think you're stupid.
We are not as greedy or lazy as you think, either.
"All men are born equal"
We're all brothers and sisters, yes?
That's not quite true. Actually, I'd say it is out-right false, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
I am (or was, I'm graduating now) a home-schooled child. I also do not have siblings. I haven't ever been to a summer camp, or belonged to very many groups. I have had only a few close friends.
Yet, I do not think I'm lacking in inter-personal skills. Actually, I seem to be more gregarious (sp?) than most other geeks that I find.
If I am deprived of anything, it is being maltreated by my peers.:)
Where have I learned interpersonal skills? Well, from my parents, in part. Also from my friends, but to a lesser extent.
My quality of life is pretty good, I think. I don't have problems making friends, and I never have. Now, half of my friends are of a different generation than I, but diversity is a good thing. I get along equally well with 50 year olds and people near my age.
You see, I am in college now. Have been since I was 17 (I'm 18 now), and I meet all sorts of people, from all ages. I'll go from discussing reggae music with a fifty year old nurse, to talking about programming with a 20 year old EE major. I do not have any problems relating to other people, I don't think.
I am lonely, but this is mostly a problem of being a geek in a very... geek-free area (Florida:P) than of being home-schooled.
I've become involved in numerous groups since I entered college: a LUG, a perl mongers group, another user group, college democrats, college greens... Sometimes I'm even in charge of the LUG's meetings. As far as I know, nobody complains.
Anyway, just because one is home-schooled and an only child doesn't mean they'll be completely incapable of having a normal social life. Well, normal in a geeky sense.:)
You know that Mozilla's chrome is in fact
rendered by the same engine that renders HTML, right? Mozilla's chrome is just a bunch of
XML, CSS, and javascript. You can
code entire applications using XML, CSS, and Javascript, that run with mozilla, without
mozilla's normal chrome...
I am not an astronomer, but I'm studying astronomy currently. Most impact crators you find in our solar system are from a very long time ago. and, they don't happen very often. Those crators on the moon, most of them are left over from the time shortly after the moon was formed... *yawns*.
So, being on the moon does not mean being under constant threat of being pummeled. Sure, you'd have to have some protection from small pigeon-sized rocks, but that shouldn't be too hard, I think.
I do not think the Democrats are liberal, nor are the Republicans conservative. IMHO, Both are like some weird undead monster bent on destroying everything America stands for...
UNIX (tm) is written in C. Most other intpreted languages are also written in C. C is like the least common denominator. That's why perl has a POSIX module. I use POSIX 'strftime' all the time, for example.
You (parent poster) called Dean a "socialist",
and the grandparent poster mocked you because s/he thinks -- as quite a few other people seem to think -- that Dean is not really very left-of-center.
Notice, I don't try to prove or disprove your accusation that Dean is a "socialist". I lack the evidence to do so.
The grandparent poster pointed out that you said something very serious about someone, without providing any evidence. How is any rational person supposed to take that seriously?
You are a prime example of why people are avoiding the Democratic party like the plague. I never swore at anyone nor put them down for their political stance, yet you came out like a rabid nutcase.
You are a prime example of something, but I'm not sure what (j/k). Thought the grandparent
did swear at you, he didn't
put you down for their political stance, unless
you consider calling moderately-left Democrats "Socialists" is some sort of new political stance...
All you need to see Deans socialist record is to see what he did as Governor. If you choose to ignore his socilist record that's your poor decision, i can't force you to research it and I'm not about to make a 10 page post about it on a slashdot forum.
You can't force me to research it, but you coul d provide URLs by a simple copy'n'paste operation,
that would make it much more likely for me or anyone else interested to verify your claims.
By all means tho continue flaming and acting the fool. I never said I was a Republican and you don't know anything about me. You however exposed your ignorance for the world to see. The more people like you who do means the more people who will avoid you and vote for decent candidates. Dean is not one I'm sorry to say.
The grandparent poster wasn't very friendly, but I
don't really think it was a "flame". Also, the grandparent poster never called you a republican. Why bring it up? I don't know what you are, but
you sure act like a hot head.
Me, I am pretty liberal, I admit, but that
doesn't make me a socialist. Why? Because I think that individuals should own just about everything (Except for public land and such). This whole matter is utterly silly.
What the hell is a pogram? If you mean program I'd ask what minorities you are talking about. Perhaps the minority of people who are from contries who are typically indoctrinated to believe that we should all die? I think they bear a little watching. If you're talking about some other program, you're sadly mistaken. Racism doesn't fly here anymore... at least not government sponsered racism.
I think the parent-parent-parent poster meant
pogrom.
From WordNet (r) 1.7:
pogrom
n : organized persecution of an ethnic group (especially Jews)
What about the replacing of the words french,
france, with "Freedom"? That seems to fit the description of a pogrom. And the Government
was involved with that. Freedom fries, blah.
It's a capitalist society. If you're poor, you're poor. It's not oppression. Show me the country that has no poor.
No, it is not oppression to be poor. It is however
oppression to do not nice things to the poor.
There are countries with less poor, however...
It's a prison. It's not a resort. In a regular prison if you act up you get thrown in the hole(solitary). In x-ray you get a blindfold. So what? I'd rather have the blindfold
The US prison system is nothing to be proud of.
I think the parent-parent poster meant
that India has many of the same problems that we
do. Weather that is true or not I do not know, but it is an interesting point.
I'm not sure if there are any well known humans who spent all their life in their room or house, but I doubt that be as creative and intelligent as those who could have a normal life.
I'm offended!
I am just as creative and just as intelligent
as your people that have a so-called `normal life'!
I'm going to go tell the leprechaun that lives in my wall about you, and he'll make you sorry you said bad things about my life-style!
I recommend you start carrying an umbrella when you go to your so-called `outside', mister.
seriously, I do go out sometimes, for LUG meetings,
and college...
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Copyright infringement is not theft, has never
been theft, will never be theft (unless things
get even more out of hand...). It is, however,
illegal.
What's next? if you're on the road,
and someone pulls in front of you,
thus "stealing" your lane, shall that be called
theft too? Or if someone knocks you out, depriving
you of consciousness, is that also "theft"?
I'd think that would be assault and battery, no?
So, downloading music without getting the
permission of the copyright holder is infringement, not theft.
IANAL, but typically it is the distributer
of the infringing material that can be persecuted,
not the downloader.
personally, I like switching between genres.
I'll be listening to a nice irish folk song,
and then the next thing I know a Peter Tosh
song is playing. After that some Enya stuff.
Then Chief Jim Billie... I like it.
"less viri is a good thing(tm),"
uh, "viri" means "men"... But I agree,
less men means more single women... that probably
is a good thing(tm).
Heh, I came up with "do or do not. there is no spoon" as a signature (for email), too. I guess geek minds think alike? :)
intellectual property is not a concrete concept;
copyrights, trademarks, patents, and trade secrets
are very different laws.
Ideas are not property. They are not governed by
property law. They are governed by copyright law.
If I make something, I can stipulate how it is
copied, to some extent.
Trademarks are not property. They are governed by
trademark law. etc.
"GPL is based on copyright law" sounds strange to me. The GPL is just a distribution license, after all.
I don't think anyone wants to force you to write libre software. People like RMS just find doing
the opposite to be immoral...
Do you have proof that some FS leader person has
said "nobody should be able to copyright software"? (Not trying to be rude or anything, just curious)
Free as in speech for software is not about /own/ freedom, it is about /my/ freedom to use it and change it.
the software's
There is no such animal as intellectual property rights. There are copy rights (and sadly, patents)
for software, and trademarks for the names of software items.
Free Software is an exercise of copyrights. I personally like copyrights, because without them, I would not be able to GPL my software.
Everyone is free to make non-free software, as I am free to gleefully not use it. Or, as is the case sometimes, write a own free version of some non-free thing.
if it has a motor, it has an alternating magnetic field...
I'm actually glad they're acting in such an 'unprofessional' manner. At least they have a sense of humor! :)
I think the worry is that it is perhaps easier to do things like this in developing countries. Not sure if an assumption of less law enforcement is a fair assumption or not. I lack data to make such an assumption. *shrugs*. Anyway, I, as a American college student, say that while I worry a little about my financial future, do not think you're stupid. We are not as greedy or lazy as you think, either. "All men are born equal" We're all brothers and sisters, yes?
That's not quite true. Actually, I'd say it is out-right false, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
:)
:P) than of being home-schooled.
.
:)
I am (or was, I'm graduating now) a home-schooled
child. I also do not have siblings. I haven't ever
been to a summer camp, or belonged to very many groups. I have had only a few close friends.
Yet, I do not think I'm lacking in inter-personal
skills. Actually, I seem to be more gregarious (sp?) than most other geeks that I find.
If I am deprived of anything, it is being maltreated by my peers.
Where have I learned interpersonal skills?
Well, from my parents, in part. Also from my friends, but to a lesser extent.
My quality of life is pretty good, I think.
I don't have problems making friends, and I never have. Now, half of my friends are of a different generation than I, but diversity is a good thing.
I get along equally well with 50 year olds and
people near my age.
You see, I am in college now. Have been since I was 17 (I'm 18 now), and I meet all sorts of people, from all ages. I'll go from discussing
reggae music with a fifty year old nurse, to talking about programming with a 20 year old EE major. I do not have any problems relating to other people, I don't think.
I am lonely, but this is mostly a problem
of being a geek in a very... geek-free area (Florida
I've become involved in numerous groups since I
entered college: a LUG, a perl mongers group, another user group, college democrats, college greens... Sometimes I'm even in charge of the LUG's
meetings. As far as I know, nobody complains
Anyway, just because one is home-schooled and an only child doesn't mean they'll be completely
incapable of having a normal social life.
Well, normal in a geeky sense.
What would slashdot be without grammar nazis?
Dios mio. `mi dios' no esta correcto.
/.'ado"
"Ay, Dios mio! El pobre web site sera
/* */ is not a comment in perl... it's a badly formed regex. Though * and / are important operators in most languages...
ge is a perl operator. it's >= for strings.
That's interesting. I misunderstood your original post, and for that I'm sorry.
Cheers.
You know that Mozilla's chrome is in fact rendered by the same engine that renders HTML, right? Mozilla's chrome is just a bunch of XML, CSS, and javascript. You can code entire applications using XML, CSS, and Javascript, that run with mozilla, without mozilla's normal chrome...
Dude, that's like 262974 CDs...
which would be about 8217 pounds (about 4 tons)...
(assuming a CD weighs half-ounce)
Do you *really* get 144 CDs a day?
I hope you're joking.
I am not an astronomer, but I'm studying astronomy
currently. Most impact crators you find in our solar system are from
a very long time ago. and, they don't happen very often.
Those crators on the moon, most of them are left over from the time shortly after the moon was formed... *yawns*.
So, being on the moon does not mean being under constant threat of being pummeled. Sure, you'd have to have some protection from small pigeon-sized rocks, but that shouldn't be too hard, I think.
Hmm.... A choice between far right-wing Fox or mediunm right-wing CNN? Hmm, I think I'll stick to DWTV, NHK Japan, and TV Azteca (News From Mexico).
;)
and no, I'm not left. I'm not right, either.
I'm up.
I do not think the Democrats are liberal, nor are the Republicans conservative. IMHO, Both are like some weird undead monster bent on destroying everything America stands for...
UNIX (tm) is written in C. Most other intpreted languages are also written in C. C is like the least common denominator. That's why perl has a POSIX module. I use POSIX 'strftime' all the time, for example.
You (parent poster) called Dean a "socialist", and the grandparent poster mocked you because s/he thinks -- as quite a few other people seem to think -- that Dean is not really very left-of-center.
Notice, I don't try to prove or disprove your accusation that Dean is a "socialist". I lack the evidence to do so.
The grandparent poster pointed out that you said something very serious about someone, without providing any evidence. How is any rational person supposed to take that seriously?
You are a prime example of something, but I'm not sure what (j/k). Thought the grandparent did swear at you, he didn't put you down for their political stance, unless you consider calling moderately-left Democrats "Socialists" is some sort of new political stance...
You can't force me to research it, but you coul d provide URLs by a simple copy'n'paste operation, that would make it much more likely for me or anyone else interested to verify your claims.
The grandparent poster wasn't very friendly, but I don't really think it was a "flame". Also, the grandparent poster never called you a republican. Why bring it up? I don't know what you are, but you sure act like a hot head.
Me, I am pretty liberal, I admit, but that doesn't make me a socialist. Why? Because I think that individuals should own just about everything (Except for public land and such). This whole matter is utterly silly.
I think the parent-parent-parent poster meant pogrom.
From WordNet (r) 1.7:
pogrom
n : organized persecution of an ethnic group (especially Jews)
What about the replacing of the words french, france, with "Freedom"? That seems to fit the description of a pogrom. And the Government was involved with that. Freedom fries, blah.
No, it is not oppression to be poor. It is however oppression to do not nice things to the poor. There are countries with less poor, however...
The US prison system is nothing to be proud of.
I think the parent-parent poster meant that India has many of the same problems that we do. Weather that is true or not I do not know, but it is an interesting point.
I'm offended!
I am just as creative and just as intelligent as your people that have a so-called `normal life'!
I'm going to go tell the leprechaun that lives in my wall about you, and he'll make you sorry you said bad things about my life-style! I recommend you start carrying an umbrella when you go to your so-called `outside', mister.
seriously, I do go out sometimes, for LUG meetings, and college...
Indeed I do... and I'm considering cloning it as
a Free Software project now that the company behind it is dead...