While it is a trade secret, the code is presumeably already in the field. I mean, they are saying "Hey, this code is ours and it's out in the wild and we want compensation." Eventually, in order to exact license for this code they will have to disclose it to anyone they attempt to sue. It would seem to serve the better public good to disclose it now, since the kernel is already being distributed, supposedly, with this code. I would imagine that judgment will resume with this code held secret but that eventually it will come out regardless of the outcome. If IBM loses, then each subsequent litigation will include revealing this code to the otherside for SCO. More importantly, I don't see any judge saying "Okay, the code is in violation and now all you companies have to leave it there and pay SCO" when the OS movement is saying "Give us a chance to remove the code." No judge is going to just leave the opportunity in place for continued violation. If IBM wins, then it's going to depend on the summary of the issue. Either the code is SCO's but IBM didn't put it in the kernel or the code is not SCO and it is moot how it got in there.
Well, it may be acceptable to humans but doubtful to God. If God exists we can assume the "One True" religion is His.
Anyway, software forking gives a bit of flexibility in that great ideas can be built upon. It can be frustrating in some cases, but as has been mentioned it can breathe new life into older projects.
I wonder to what extent this has to be "going forward." I can't imagine a judge allowing M$ to let FAT become so ubiquitous only to charge royalties later. In fact, they may have already lost the ability to charge such a royalty.
Don't own a TiVo. I think they're great, don't get me wrong. But with cable running me $60mth for only 100 channels I can't see adding the subscription to TiVo anytime soon. There will always be a market for TV. The big 3 networks thought cable would kill them, and it didn't. PVR's won't kill TV either. This is the same paranoia that keeps the RIAA and MPAA pursuing 15 year olds for trading Britany Spears songs.
Remember all the Microsoft Certified gurus sounding this same death nell in 1999? We've heard this all before. Y2K proved that UNIX is not only viable, but quite often preferrable. The idea that there will be only 2 is a stretch in my opinion. 2 dominate, maybe, but tw total is rediculous and frankly shows that this guy must be in marketing.
I agree, the handicapped not withstanding. Look, the fact is there are people at the polls who are there to HELP! If you can't figure out a ballot, too bad! You're too proud to ask for help? C'Mon. And I hate to break it to folks, but thousands of votes every year are thrown out and not just the ones that can't be read. If a state has left over ballots that total less than it would take to change the outcome, they often toss them (usually absentee ballots). This is why in a national election, you never really know the true total, only the total of what was counted. Some votes are going to be lost, but frankly I'd rather count every vote as is then try to "determine voter intent." Especially if the voter doesn't take the time to learn the system.
RH was losing "millions of dollars" offering a shrink-wrapped RHL? Not their words, mind you, but many justifying their abandonment of the desktop. According to Szulik, it was actually "profitable." Which means, they DID just say to hell with that sector. I'll go back to being terribly disappointed in them, thankyouverymuch!
I must say I'm quite impressed that so much conversation has been generated from a sig. Or is that cig? Anyway, hey, I used to smoke but quit. I'm not one of those fanatical ex-smokers or non-smokers. If you smoke, cool. I hope you excersize or something to counteract the negative effects. I chose to quit because when I get older I'll have a better chance at survival. Granted, I'll die anyway but hey, you gotta cut the odds. If you smoke, enjoy! If you're smokin' weed, you already do enjoy. Either way, good luck!
Ignore this sig...
Kinda reminds you of the Nissan Computer vs. Nissan Motors battle.
Remember some years ago when some of the more fanatical in the OS community worried RH would
become the M$ of Linux? I recall thinking these folks were crazy but now I'm thinking they just might be clairvoyant!
There is no good intention here. Let's say the tax passes. Spam is reduced because they don't want to pay the tax. The tax, however, is in place. Who is paying it? WE ARE! Are they going to repeal the tax now that only the innocent are paying it? NO! See, a new teat was spawned and their are "social programs" that depend on that new tax. When someone tries to repeal that tax, they will be dubbed "uncaring" and "anti-children." Furthermore, we'll hear the usual "Who is going to pay for the e-mail tax cut!?"
"just one of the tactics that should be considered, but I don't favor it at this time."
Basically, "I'm testing the waters so if I get an onslaught of negative pub I will, of course, assert that *I* didn't like the idea." Politicians are looking for ANYTHING to tax. We've let ourselves be taxed to such extremes that we no longer seek to repeal most of the taxes that were supposed to be temporary in the first place.
It's all fine and good to talk about EOL'ing the 32bit processor. Notice they're not talking about the end of 32bit code. Therefore, this is largely marketing. *sigh*
Marketing reps suck....
to criticize Bruce Perens..I mean, he's da man, but it seems to me talking cycles away from improving much of what we have to create a new distro is to prolong our reluctance of adoption in the desktop arena.
Well, from what other RH supporters have said "RH is losing, like a gazillion-billion dollars offering a desktop Linux!" I remember a year or so ago some saying "RH is the M$ of Linux." I thought they were crazy. Now they might actually have been onto something.
Another PDA we'll never see in the States...or Europe...or ever!?
Oh, and it's probably $499-$599...good thing they chose Linux or who knows HOW much it would cost!
JAV
Ummm....the Bible only says Mt. Nebo which, btw isn't between Iran and Iraq. (You're not helping yourself here) and there is plenty of geological evidence for the flood. Not the least of which is polystrait trees. These are fossilized trees that are welded into strata that cross (supposedly) millions of years of rock and deposits. Either the tree lived for millions of years, or a catastrophy mixed up the strata. Geologists believe, this may be the result of flooding or a large catastrophic flood.
JAV
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While it is a trade secret, the code is presumeably already in the field. I mean, they are saying "Hey, this code is ours and it's out in the wild and we want compensation." Eventually, in order to exact license for this code they will have to disclose it to anyone they attempt to sue. It would seem to serve the better public good to disclose it now, since the kernel is already being distributed, supposedly, with this code. I would imagine that judgment will resume with this code held secret but that eventually it will come out regardless of the outcome. If IBM loses, then each subsequent litigation will include revealing this code to the otherside for SCO. More importantly, I don't see any judge saying "Okay, the code is in violation and now all you companies have to leave it there and pay SCO" when the OS movement is saying "Give us a chance to remove the code." No judge is going to just leave the opportunity in place for continued violation. If IBM wins, then it's going to depend on the summary of the issue. Either the code is SCO's but IBM didn't put it in the kernel or the code is not SCO and it is moot how it got in there.
Yeah but each year it's behind they'll have to change the engine because IT is becoming obsolete.
"Yes, now before little Timmy is old enough to procreate he can find out if he's adopted!"
I can tell you from experience, putting your finger in a 'dike' doesn't solve anything!
Well, it may be acceptable to humans but doubtful to God. If God exists we can assume the "One True" religion is His. Anyway, software forking gives a bit of flexibility in that great ideas can be built upon. It can be frustrating in some cases, but as has been mentioned it can breathe new life into older projects.
I wonder to what extent this has to be "going forward." I can't imagine a judge allowing M$ to let FAT become so ubiquitous only to charge royalties later. In fact, they may have already lost the ability to charge such a royalty.
Don't own a TiVo. I think they're great, don't get me wrong. But with cable running me $60mth for only 100 channels I can't see adding the subscription to TiVo anytime soon. There will always be a market for TV. The big 3 networks thought cable would kill them, and it didn't. PVR's won't kill TV either. This is the same paranoia that keeps the RIAA and MPAA pursuing 15 year olds for trading Britany Spears songs.
Remember all the Microsoft Certified gurus sounding this same death nell in 1999? We've heard this all before. Y2K proved that UNIX is not only viable, but quite often preferrable. The idea that there will be only 2 is a stretch in my opinion. 2 dominate, maybe, but tw total is rediculous and frankly shows that this guy must be in marketing.
I agree, the handicapped not withstanding. Look, the fact is there are people at the polls who are there to HELP! If you can't figure out a ballot, too bad! You're too proud to ask for help? C'Mon. And I hate to break it to folks, but thousands of votes every year are thrown out and not just the ones that can't be read. If a state has left over ballots that total less than it would take to change the outcome, they often toss them (usually absentee ballots). This is why in a national election, you never really know the true total, only the total of what was counted. Some votes are going to be lost, but frankly I'd rather count every vote as is then try to "determine voter intent." Especially if the voter doesn't take the time to learn the system.
RH was losing "millions of dollars" offering a shrink-wrapped RHL? Not their words, mind you, but many justifying their abandonment of the desktop. According to Szulik, it was actually "profitable." Which means, they DID just say to hell with that sector. I'll go back to being terribly disappointed in them, thankyouverymuch!
I must say I'm quite impressed that so much conversation has been generated from a sig. Or is that cig? Anyway, hey, I used to smoke but quit. I'm not one of those fanatical ex-smokers or non-smokers. If you smoke, cool. I hope you excersize or something to counteract the negative effects. I chose to quit because when I get older I'll have a better chance at survival. Granted, I'll die anyway but hey, you gotta cut the odds. If you smoke, enjoy! If you're smokin' weed, you already do enjoy. Either way, good luck!
Ignore this sig...
Why my apt-get was failing from people.debian.org last nite. Not to mention why debian.org was down. :(
Kinda reminds you of the Nissan Computer vs. Nissan Motors battle.
Remember some years ago when some of the more fanatical in the OS community worried RH would become the M$ of Linux? I recall thinking these folks were crazy but now I'm thinking they just might be clairvoyant!
Now M$ need not be in such a hurry to fix code. They should love this!
There is no good intention here. Let's say the tax passes. Spam is reduced because they don't want to pay the tax. The tax, however, is in place. Who is paying it? WE ARE! Are they going to repeal the tax now that only the innocent are paying it? NO! See, a new teat was spawned and their are "social programs" that depend on that new tax. When someone tries to repeal that tax, they will be dubbed "uncaring" and "anti-children." Furthermore, we'll hear the usual "Who is going to pay for the e-mail tax cut!?"
"just one of the tactics that should be considered, but I don't favor it at this time." Basically, "I'm testing the waters so if I get an onslaught of negative pub I will, of course, assert that *I* didn't like the idea." Politicians are looking for ANYTHING to tax. We've let ourselves be taxed to such extremes that we no longer seek to repeal most of the taxes that were supposed to be temporary in the first place.
It's all fine and good to talk about EOL'ing the 32bit processor. Notice they're not talking about the end of 32bit code. Therefore, this is largely marketing. *sigh*
Marketing reps suck....
to criticize Bruce Perens..I mean, he's da man, but it seems to me talking cycles away from improving much of what we have to create a new distro is to prolong our reluctance of adoption in the desktop arena.
I had an anti-quirk for each of my quirks!
5 yard penalty! Conversational Whiplash...number 55.....Anonymous Coward...remains 3rd down.
This is the type of evidence that should block such a purchase.
JAV
Well, from what other RH supporters have said "RH is losing, like a gazillion-billion dollars offering a desktop Linux!" I remember a year or so ago some saying "RH is the M$ of Linux." I thought they were crazy. Now they might actually have been onto something.
Another PDA we'll never see in the States...or Europe...or ever!? Oh, and it's probably $499-$599...good thing they chose Linux or who knows HOW much it would cost!
JAV
That and what makes you think people want a licensing scheme even akin to M$'s only cheaper?
Ummm....the Bible only says Mt. Nebo which, btw isn't between Iran and Iraq. (You're not helping yourself here) and there is plenty of geological evidence for the flood. Not the least of which is polystrait trees. These are fossilized trees that are welded into strata that cross (supposedly) millions of years of rock and deposits. Either the tree lived for millions of years, or a catastrophy mixed up the strata. Geologists believe, this may be the result of flooding or a large catastrophic flood.
JAV