Nah. Come to Vancouver. The cops don't care about pot, the women are totally gorgeous, it almost never snows in winter, you can go skiing, windsurfing, and suntanning all in the same day, and hey, there are even jobs. We're hiring electrical engineers and Linux programmers where I work. So there you go.
Of course, the American DEA has been threatening to open an office here, and there have been reports of black helicopters flying over the city looking for grow-ops...so maybe you have a point.
1. I was not specifically talking about McCarthy and the "super vast majority" of people he accused, more about the atmosphere of conformity and the risks of speaking out.
2. Nobody said the people I'm speaking of who oppose the U.S. government in certain policy issues are against the interests of the United States. Criticising your own government does NOT make you a traitor, sorry. That's a right you have.
3. I am not a U.S. citizen, merely someone who believes in the concepts on which it was founded. Happily, I won't have people screaming "Traitor!" in my face if I dare question what my government is doing.
I have to say, I find this whole attitude to be disturbing. Isn't it one of the cherished freedoms of the U.S. to allow people to express how they feel about their government? Historically, hasn't deep suspicion towards government been praised?
But it seems like these days, U.S. citizens who speak out against their government's actions are automatically "traitors", and "liberal" is now synonymous with the worst insult possible. It doesn't matter if these people deeply love their country, they are still committing "treason". Goosestepping patriotism seems to be the only Allowable Thoughtpattern.
How did this happen? It's like the 1950s, Part II.
You obviously don't write software for a living. The MS practice of "partner, learn, announce competing version" is well known by many developers. Ask anyone at Pivotal.
I've worked closely with two PhDs on separate development projects, and neither could code to save his life. One guy, after many months stuck in his office, produced a screenful of half-working Java that didn't correspond to our coding standards. The other guy, hired to do "advanced" C++ VOIP stuff, didn't produce a single line of useable code in EIGHT months. He was awesome at slinging bullshit and being really friendly to everyone, though. Both were fired, and I ended up doing their work for them (with my measly BSc.)
Moral: never hire anyone who talks about the Game of Life in their interview. They will produce nothing and will fuck up your project.
(Thanks to the AC who first came up with that wonderful line.)
I was speaking per capita. Any other measure makes no sense. Per capita, the U.S. does not have the highest standard of living in the world, by any objective measure. I apologise if you are offended by this.
Actually, I was more interested in your use of the phrase "by definition". You seemed to be implying that the U.S. is some sort of gold standard in terms of quality of life. I have nothing against the U.S. or Americans, and have spent many months in your country and had a wonderful time, but it is not a gold standard by any means. That's not to say that there aren't great things about the U.S.; of course there are. But I find it funny when Americans assume these things about themselves and their country.
Actually, you aren't alone - have you ever heard the saying, "If you aren't Dutch, you aren't much?":)
Take it easy. I was climbing in a place called the New River Gorge. We were in a variety of small towns around there (Fayetteville? Can't remember). I'm sorry if I insulted you - some parts of the state were very beautiful, and the New River Gorge itself is a real treasure. I also liked the forests there; they are like a jungle! But I also saw some fairly grievous instances of poverty that simply don't exist in other western countries (other than indigenous populations, I guess).
Yes, as a whole. Norway has around 4.5 million people. That's one reason the standard of living is among the very highest in the world - small population, lots of money. There is no equivalent to some of the spots I saw while in the U.S. - like West Virginia. Yikes!
How does the U.S. "by definition" have the highest living standards/costs on earth? Maybe I'm misunderstanding here - Norway, for example, is way more expensive than the U.S. (for visitors - purchasing power is high for locals). It also has a higher standard of living.
Hardly a smackdown. Sure, if you're going to cheat and install GNU stuff, definitely. But the original poster implied Windows has this rich command line with the stock Windows install.
I can confidently ssh into any Linux/BSD/etc. box anywhere, and find the tools to do useful work over a lightweight connection.
Maybe your IQ is greater than two. But your lack of maturity certainly doesn't demonstrate it.
Since you are a Windows command line expert, I need to ask you some questions.
Could you please show me how to do a multi-file search and replace from the command line? That is, multiple files in arbitrary directories where I need a certain string replaced with another string.
Also, I'd like to count the number of lines in all the files in a directory tree (with nested directories, of course). Please show each file, with its line count, on a separate line.
Finally, I need to know how to kill processes that were started by a certain user - but not just any process. Just the ones that are currently using 0% of the CPU.
All of these should be able to be done in a single command line - no scripts - sorry, batch files.
Actually, I meant Muslims as a whole. I think many people's attitudes towards Islam would be very different if it was the norm for all Muslims to treat all members of ethnic group X the way they treat women now.
We rightfully sanctioned South Africa for apartheid, yet the lot of blacks in that country was better than that of women in, for example, Saudi Arabia or Syria.
So far as I can tell, there are only two possible conclusions:
1. We devalue women and don't care about helping them out.
2. We are still culturally brainwashed with crazy ideas of cultural relativism. Some things are just wrong, cross-culturally. Denying 50% of the population first-class citizen status is one of those things.
The guy wrote KDE desktop sharing, for one thing, which I use all the time at work. Thanks, Tim Jansen!
How about you, AC?
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I was responding to your pointed attack on open source proponents - everyone, Microsoft, Sun, etc. puts things in terms of good and evil. I wasn't making any sort of assertion about whether they are right or wrong to do so. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
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I would argue that Larry Ellison and Scott McNealy put things in "good vs. evil" terms as well, not just the open source people.
And I believe it was Microsoft that officially called Linux "un-American", which I think was meant to connote evil, though many probably considered it an unintended compliment.
I guess everyone does whatever they can to win.
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You're correct, IP makes paper, they don't cut down trees, at least not directly.
Canada is the largest pulp exporter in the world (at least as of the year 2000, the last year for which I have stats - 10 847 000 metric tons, nearly as much as the rest of the world put together). All of the pulp comes from trees cut in wild forests. The "replanting" is not good, to say the least (I was a tree planter while in university). Most of the pulp goes to U.S. paper mills. Much of it also stays here, of course.
The current softwood lumber dispute between the U.S. and Canada relates to your statement regarding the prohibitive cost of importing pulp to the U.S. Canada's forests are incredibly accessible, and there are next to no laws regarding how to cut responsibly. Plus, there are very low "stumpage fees" charged to companies to cut trees - it's very cheap to run a logging company here. So for companies in the U.S. to import Canadian wood products isn't as brutally expensive as you might think. Of course, this isn't just pulp, it's also shakes and shingles, boards, and so forth.
The way the U.S. does it, at least in some areas, is much better. There are fast-growing tree plantations in the south that are managed like farms. They allow quality control and keep the pressure off wild areas. Overall, U.S. forest management is decades ahead of Canada.
Well, I'm a day late in replying to your interesting post - sorry about that!
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I don't think you are very involved with the logging industry. In B.C., where I live, one of the largest paper-producing areas of the world, wild, old-growth forests are being pulped at a massive rate. These are, indeed, "random" trees, and it is not at all absurd. Pulp mills dot B.C. and provide employment for many people in many small towns, like the one I grew up in.
The cutblocks in some of B.C.'s wild forests (not the tree "gardens" you mention) are big enough to be seen from space.
However, in the southern U.S., there are tree plantations like what you're talking about. But sadly, compared to Canadian pulp production, they are nothing. I say "sadly" because really, how absurd is it to pulp wild forests for paper and diaper fill when a variety of plants (all you need from the wood is the cellulose) would fit the bill? These plants, such as hemp, could be grown in present farming areas and would provide a boost to local farmers. And they would not require further deforestation.
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Nah. Come to Vancouver. The cops don't care about pot, the women are totally gorgeous, it almost never snows in winter, you can go skiing, windsurfing, and suntanning all in the same day, and hey, there are even jobs. We're hiring electrical engineers and Linux programmers where I work. So there you go.
Of course, the American DEA has been threatening to open an office here, and there have been reports of black helicopters flying over the city looking for grow-ops...so maybe you have a point.
1. I was not specifically talking about McCarthy and the "super vast majority" of people he accused, more about the atmosphere of conformity and the risks of speaking out.
2. Nobody said the people I'm speaking of who oppose the U.S. government in certain policy issues are against the interests of the United States. Criticising your own government does NOT make you a traitor, sorry. That's a right you have.
3. I am not a U.S. citizen, merely someone who believes in the concepts on which it was founded. Happily, I won't have people screaming "Traitor!" in my face if I dare question what my government is doing.
I have to say, I find this whole attitude to be disturbing. Isn't it one of the cherished freedoms of the U.S. to allow people to express how they feel about their government? Historically, hasn't deep suspicion towards government been praised?
But it seems like these days, U.S. citizens who speak out against their government's actions are automatically "traitors", and "liberal" is now synonymous with the worst insult possible. It doesn't matter if these people deeply love their country, they are still committing "treason". Goosestepping patriotism seems to be the only Allowable Thoughtpattern.
How did this happen? It's like the 1950s, Part II.
I guess that's why Canada has such an incredibly high violent crime rate, considering that handguns are extremely difficult to own.
Oh, wait a second.
Please give some examples of this in current Linux apps.
You obviously don't write software for a living. The MS practice of "partner, learn, announce competing version" is well known by many developers. Ask anyone at Pivotal.
Ha, now that's funny.
For those who don't know: the Quebec Nordiques were the "other" Quebec hockey club, before they were *sob* sold.
Sad to see you've been moderated a troll...
I've worked closely with two PhDs on separate development projects, and neither could code to save his life. One guy, after many months stuck in his office, produced a screenful of half-working Java that didn't correspond to our coding standards. The other guy, hired to do "advanced" C++ VOIP stuff, didn't produce a single line of useable code in EIGHT months. He was awesome at slinging bullshit and being really friendly to everyone, though. Both were fired, and I ended up doing their work for them (with my measly BSc.)
Moral: never hire anyone who talks about the Game of Life in their interview. They will produce nothing and will fuck up your project.
(Thanks to the AC who first came up with that wonderful line.)
Didn't Finntroll's guitarist kill himself? I guess Mikka's words don't always hold true.
I was speaking per capita. Any other measure makes no sense. Per capita, the U.S. does not have the highest standard of living in the world, by any objective measure. I apologise if you are offended by this.
:)
Actually, I was more interested in your use of the phrase "by definition". You seemed to be implying that the U.S. is some sort of gold standard in terms of quality of life. I have nothing against the U.S. or Americans, and have spent many months in your country and had a wonderful time, but it is not a gold standard by any means. That's not to say that there aren't great things about the U.S.; of course there are. But I find it funny when Americans assume these things about themselves and their country.
Actually, you aren't alone - have you ever heard the saying, "If you aren't Dutch, you aren't much?"
Take it easy. I was climbing in a place called the New River Gorge. We were in a variety of small towns around there (Fayetteville? Can't remember). I'm sorry if I insulted you - some parts of the state were very beautiful, and the New River Gorge itself is a real treasure. I also liked the forests there; they are like a jungle! But I also saw some fairly grievous instances of poverty that simply don't exist in other western countries (other than indigenous populations, I guess).
Yes, as a whole. Norway has around 4.5 million people. That's one reason the standard of living is among the very highest in the world - small population, lots of money. There is no equivalent to some of the spots I saw while in the U.S. - like West Virginia. Yikes!
How does the U.S. "by definition" have the highest living standards/costs on earth? Maybe I'm misunderstanding here - Norway, for example, is way more expensive than the U.S. (for visitors - purchasing power is high for locals). It also has a higher standard of living.
The original poster is from the UK.
But thanks for your thoughts, anyway.
Hardly a smackdown. Sure, if you're going to cheat and install GNU stuff, definitely. But the original poster implied Windows has this rich command line with the stock Windows install.
I can confidently ssh into any Linux/BSD/etc. box anywhere, and find the tools to do useful work over a lightweight connection.
Maybe your IQ is greater than two. But your lack of maturity certainly doesn't demonstrate it.
No batch files because I want to ssh into the Windows machine and quickly execute some things on the command line.
Unfortunately, I doubt you'll ever read this, but...
1. find . -type f -exec wc -l {} \;
2. find . -type f -name somefiles -exec perl -pi -e "s/string1/string2/g;" {} \;
3. Left as an exercise. Hint: ps aux | grep
Since you are a Windows command line expert, I need to ask you some questions.
Could you please show me how to do a multi-file search and replace from the command line? That is, multiple files in arbitrary directories where I need a certain string replaced with another string.
Also, I'd like to count the number of lines in all the files in a directory tree (with nested directories, of course). Please show each file, with its line count, on a separate line.
Finally, I need to know how to kill processes that were started by a certain user - but not just any process. Just the ones that are currently using 0% of the CPU.
All of these should be able to be done in a single command line - no scripts - sorry, batch files.
Thanks!
Actually, I meant Muslims as a whole. I think many people's attitudes towards Islam would be very different if it was the norm for all Muslims to treat all members of ethnic group X the way they treat women now.
We rightfully sanctioned South Africa for apartheid, yet the lot of blacks in that country was better than that of women in, for example, Saudi Arabia or Syria.
So far as I can tell, there are only two possible conclusions:
1. We devalue women and don't care about helping them out.
2. We are still culturally brainwashed with crazy ideas of cultural relativism. Some things are just wrong, cross-culturally. Denying 50% of the population first-class citizen status is one of those things.
"Absolute fact", eh? Looks like a bunch of malarky from that silly death cult, Christianity.
Welcome to my foes list.
The guy wrote KDE desktop sharing, for one thing, which I use all the time at work. Thanks, Tim Jansen!
How about you, AC?
I was responding to your pointed attack on open source proponents - everyone, Microsoft, Sun, etc. puts things in terms of good and evil. I wasn't making any sort of assertion about whether they are right or wrong to do so. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
I would argue that Larry Ellison and Scott McNealy put things in "good vs. evil" terms as well, not just the open source people.
And I believe it was Microsoft that officially called Linux "un-American", which I think was meant to connote evil, though many probably considered it an unintended compliment.
I guess everyone does whatever they can to win.
You're correct, IP makes paper, they don't cut down trees, at least not directly.
Canada is the largest pulp exporter in the world (at least as of the year 2000, the last year for which I have stats - 10 847 000 metric tons, nearly as much as the rest of the world put together). All of the pulp comes from trees cut in wild forests. The "replanting" is not good, to say the least (I was a tree planter while in university). Most of the pulp goes to U.S. paper mills. Much of it also stays here, of course.
The current softwood lumber dispute between the U.S. and Canada relates to your statement regarding the prohibitive cost of importing pulp to the U.S. Canada's forests are incredibly accessible, and there are next to no laws regarding how to cut responsibly. Plus, there are very low "stumpage fees" charged to companies to cut trees - it's very cheap to run a logging company here. So for companies in the U.S. to import Canadian wood products isn't as brutally expensive as you might think. Of course, this isn't just pulp, it's also shakes and shingles, boards, and so forth.
The way the U.S. does it, at least in some areas, is much better. There are fast-growing tree plantations in the south that are managed like farms. They allow quality control and keep the pressure off wild areas. Overall, U.S. forest management is decades ahead of Canada.
Well, I'm a day late in replying to your interesting post - sorry about that!
I don't think you are very involved with the logging industry. In B.C., where I live, one of the largest paper-producing areas of the world, wild, old-growth forests are being pulped at a massive rate. These are, indeed, "random" trees, and it is not at all absurd. Pulp mills dot B.C. and provide employment for many people in many small towns, like the one I grew up in.
The cutblocks in some of B.C.'s wild forests (not the tree "gardens" you mention) are big enough to be seen from space.
However, in the southern U.S., there are tree plantations like what you're talking about. But sadly, compared to Canadian pulp production, they are nothing. I say "sadly" because really, how absurd is it to pulp wild forests for paper and diaper fill when a variety of plants (all you need from the wood is the cellulose) would fit the bill? These plants, such as hemp, could be grown in present farming areas and would provide a boost to local farmers. And they would not require further deforestation.
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