I think Mr. Jobs is required to say things like this. How would it look to his big (and only) US carrier partner locked in for 5 years or whatever it is, if he said "We condone the hackers and their unlocking software". What they actually do about it will really tell the story, and that's a wait and see game, so no use speculating.
"So next time Windows fails to start, you'll know why!"
Well, it just happened to my desktop machine. Windows just stopped booting. Some weird kernel messages or something like that. Odd thing is, it didn't affect my Linux partition!? What are the odds of that? Are you sure this isn't some report sponsored by Microsoft to make it look like it's not their fault?!:)
since the "living room PC" is still a mostly unconquered market waiting for somebody to take it.
Who says there is a market? Small niche market so far, what happens if it stays that way? HP has already stopped making their "living room PC". Maybe they have better foresight than others? I know from an anecdotal stand point, there's no market for such a device in my home:) I want appliances that just do their thing, and do it well, and for a reasonable cost. There's a reason why so many people have DVD players. a) It's cheap and accessible. b) it's dead simple to use. c) There's easily accessible content that can be purchased or rented
i doubt that the processor in the Wii would be able to make any useful contribution compared to ps3
you're probably right, but, the example was to illustrate the reward:) Wii Points to buy VC games would be an AWESOME reward. That's what I was going for there.
If you look at The Xbox360 and it's Live service. You have to pay for it. They should have something like this, where MS gets the money from it, and users who contribute cycles can earn money off their Live services fees! (Probably capped to the cost of the Live service) That seems like it would make the most sense to me.
Of course, if Playstation 3 isn't charging for online access, then maybe it can be used to earn credits to purchasing stuff.
And for the Nintendo camp, how about earning those Wii points with contributing cycles! That'd be awesome!
If you look at the software sales data, the only company whose games are selling well for the Wii is Nintendo. By all accounts the hardware is selling faster than the Xbox 360, but the software isn't. It's almost as if Nintendo created the single game that people want to play on the Wii (and they're willing to pay $250 to play it).
You have to take into account the fact that Nintendo software devs have had a LOT more time to think about it and to experiment with it. It'll take some time for the 3rd party devs to start getting better at it, but Tiger '07 is a pretty good "first draft". I bought it on launch, and I like it. I can see huge potential for it as they tweak it for '08 and make it even better.
Just because people want the Wii does not mean people really want the controller. I mean, by that logic just because you buy a Dell means that you want all the spyware/crapware that is loaded on by default.
Let's be honest here. It's the controller that *is* the selling feature of the Wii. If you don't think so, then you've obviously never played it.
from TFA: "There's no point building the hardware if nobody really wants it..."
What part of the 6 million Wiis sold to date says "no one wants it"? I know I sure want it. My friends want it. My friends' parents even want it! Unless he's just talking about the "hardcore" market again?
Cars have different models, just like Vista. So when you see a car commercial, what do they do? They have fine print that says "Model shown is Base + All Options". Microsoft's commercials do not mention any "versions" of Vista. Just "Vista". So I can kind of see where theses guys are coming from, but still, quite frivolous, even for this MS hater:)
I consider myself a pretty hardcore gamer. I spend most of my free time playing games. I'm not a fan of consoles, I'm a PC gamer. However, I own a Wii and love it. When I'm bored of my PC games (mostly FPS, I play a little EVE too) etc it's nice to relax playing some Twilight Princess or Rayman (As much as you can relax while playing Rayman =p).
The Wii remote makes the console what it is. Most console controllers are clunky and hard to move your character or AIM but the Wii-mote makes it simple and easy.
I should have probably expanded my definition of "uber-hardcore" gamer:) I myself would be considered a hardcore gamer as well. And yes, I've owned many systems and for this generation I only have a Wii and waiting for some huge price drops on the PS3 so I can play assassin's creed:)
Anyways, by "uber-hardcore" I'm talking about those kidz that are too-cool-for-school, kidz that think entire sentances can be constructed soley out of profanity. They like screaming into the mic when playing Counter-Strike, and play games mainly to kill things.:)
These are the types of guys that think the Wii is "childish":)
Every time I take my Wii to a friend's house, not only do they love it, but their (female!) spouse love it! It goes beyond that too. Often times, the parents will join in, and they love it too!
The only people I know that don't really like it are the uber-hardcore gamers. I know plenty of "hardcore" gamers that love it fine, but complement it with a dose of the 360/PS3.
So let's think about their target market now. The uber-hardcore don't like it. Fine. But the hardcore like it and... <drumroll>... the rest of the world loves it:) That's a big market. Much bigger than the old target market. When sales data like this comes out, it just reinforces the notion that Nintendo got something right this round.
"My best guess is that Sony emerges as the winner of the movie format war in late 2008..."
Ummm, when did the console wars become 'who can push the most movies'?
Another reason why I don't care what the analysts say. I buy a console for games. Period. Have fun watching your movies on your PS3 until 2009, when games apparently get made for the PS3? WTF?:)
And like Nintendo, the customers are loyal with good reason.
I would have to agree 100%:) I'm a Nintendo fanboi, so that's why I mentioned it. I'm slowly becoming an Apple fanboi too. They just continually churn out good product after good product. Of course, I'll probably wait for the 3rd generation iPhone before I step in:) but some people aren't as patient as I am.
Think about it. Most people who buy phones just want a phone that works. That's not the market Apple's going for. They're going for the guys that keep upgrading their expensive iPods with more expensive and newer iPods. Now, they'll get the latest "iPod" but it'll have a phone built-in too. If you look at the sales of the most expensive iPods, you'll see that there's more than enough people there to get Jobs' 1% market share that he wants out of the gates. Don't underestimate the loyalty that the Apple brand garners. It's much like Nintendo's. They'll buy whatever is the latest and greatest.
I personally think that plasmas give a much better image. Maybe one day when all our content is HD, I'll like LCDs, but for now, most of my usage is not HD. SD on LCDs looks terrible.
Here's my real advice though, don't listen to anyone here, not even me:) Go out to a store, and look for yourself!
Also keep in mind what you're going to use it for. If you're going to watch a lot of DVDs on it (for example), bring a DVD with you, and make them hook up DVD players to the TVs you're interested and see how it looks. Even try out the up-converting DVD players see, how that goes. I even had a sales guy move a TV to where there was a cable outlet, so I can see what regular SD cable TV looked like on it, because frankly, there wasn't that much HD content back when I got my TV (over 3 years ago). (Thankfully, all the primetime TV shows are in HD now, some Leaf games are in HD, and all NFL games are in HD:) )
Anyways, I repeat, go to a store, look at it for yourself, and remember, the stores will splice HD content to their TVs, so if your usage habits are mostly SD, get them to somehow get some SD content on their so you know how good of a job the TV does upconverting.
Seriously, go search for PS3s on ebay, what you'll find is that there are some selling for under retail now! I wonder if those sellers actually go through with those auctions? The Wii? It can still be found selling for nearly double retail.
I got my Wii yesterday, and I was *shocked* that it doesn't include any way of connecting it to the net. WTF! You need to buy an external adapter to connect it the net. F**king ripoff Nintendo.
Obviously a troll, but I wanted to share this anyhow.
The Wii, at $280CDN has built in wireless. To get wireless for an xbox360? How about $130CDN. That's almost HALF the cost of a hole Wii console that comes with 1 Wiimote, 1 nunchuk, built in wireless AND A GAME!
Please, don't talk about the Wii as a ripoff troll.
* And for those of you who want to argue that the xbox360 has built in ethernet, and the wii doesn't. All I have to say to that is, at least they're charging a reasonable price to add it!
"Convert those numbers into dollars and you're looking at one very fat and happy industry."
The only people we know for sure that's happy about all those consoles being moved is Nintendo.
*(1) Although, if you take console sales as an indirect indicator of software sales, then yes, the other guys would be happy too. More on this later
What we do know is this:
* Nintendo makes money on the Wii, right out of the gate. * Nintendo makes money on each DS Lite sold. * Sony's PS3 is losing $200-$300US (we don't exactly how much they're losing, but most analysts say about that range) * Sony's PS2 hardware is profitable now. * Microsoft was losing money on the Xbox360 at launch, but they've been working hard to reduce the cost to produce the 360, so it may be breaking even at this point. Only Microsoft knows.
So, Nintendo is certainly happy, Sony is happy PS2 still rakes it in but doesn't make up for PS3's enourmous costs, and Microsoft is happy to just be in the fight:)
*(1) Consoles moved means more software sales, which is where Microsoft and Sony plan to make their money back. (Nintendo makes money from selling ANYTHING with Nintendo on it, so we know they'll make money on software. They arguably make the most on software than any other single console game producer) Seems the internet believes Microsoft is enjoying a good software sales rate for their xbox360, they won't say of course. Meanwhile, Sony is just mum. Why? well, doesn't seem the attach rate for the PS3 is doing so hot in the US or Japan. So Sony's still far away from making money on their new system.
My point? The industry may or may not be happy, we don't know for sure, but we do know, Nintendo is happy with these numbers:)
PS WTF's with the 0.98 attach rate for PS3 in Japan?! That's amazing to me. I know lots of people are flipping these on ebay, but even in the land of the rising sun, people aren't buying it to play games. That's bad news. Japan's a huge Sony supporter. If they lose Japan, they're in trouble.
How did this guy get modded +5 interesting? By regurgitating exactly what Nintendo has been marketing? Nintendo has said themselves, they're not competing on pushing polygons, and they're a GAME company first. period.
IMO:
The good: Good controller design. Has a major nostalgia appeal. Compatible with all (?) GameCube games
The bad: Controller eats batteries. Lacks the advanced HD graphics and surround sound found on the Xbox 360 and the PS3
The uggly: It's lights years behind 360 and PS3 in multimedia features and graphics.
Yes, it is your opinion, so I can't argue that. But I can argue that your opinion stinks, and you obviously have zero experience with it. Just took the wii to a friend's place last weekend. Lot of university buddies gathered (along with our wives). Every one of them said they wanted to get a Wii now, and more importantly, every single one of the wives wanted them to get one! If that's not more significant than your perty gfx on your 360, then you my friend, obviously have no friends/lady friends.
This may be anecdotal evidence at best, but it sure sounds like a lot of people have had the same experience with their parents, grandparents etc. And this "evidence" sure beats the snot of of some MS apologist's (Yes, read his posthistory) "opinion" about something he knows nothing about.
I can't believe people are actually buying these preorders. I thought everyone knew that none of this preorder stuff was ever guaranteed. Ask the stores yourself, they'll tell you "that's how much we think we're getting".
If you actually RTFA and look at the scan of the memo, you'll notice at the bottom, there's no intentions for a midnight opening for the Wii launch? What's up with that?!
This seems silly as I would assume there'd be a lot more Wiis to go around to actually make a launch party fun, as opposed to fustrating and violent as I forsee the PS3 midnight launch.
I went into EB today (I live in Canada), and they said they're doing pre-orders for PS3 and Wiis on Monday morning. You can only get 1 system. Not one of each, they're making you chose!
You need $50 in trade-in credit or $200 cash down.
They're expecting a line up too.
My question: WTF?!:) I don't remember having to line up for a pre-order. Isn't that what a pre-order is suppose to prevent?!? The need to line up on launch day!
This is getting a little out of hand. What's next? The Wii2 launch will require you to line up to get a # so that you can line up to pre-order, and then line up again to pick up on launch day?!
Problem is, I was going to maybe pre-order a PS3 to sell on ebay:) Use that money to buy a Wii! But now they're only letting me pre-order 1 of the systems! Grrr... I might have to take a risk and get the PS3 anyways, in hopes that I'll be able to find a launch party line up the night before the Wii launch. Afterall, there's supposed to be a lot more Wiis right?!
Wiifanboy is saying that Canadians won't be able to pre-order til Monday.
I'm gonna head over to EB at lunch just to check it out anyways.
I would rather line up on the 18th though. It'd be much more fun. I would imagine that a lot of the people in THAT line up would have a DS with them. That would be some fun wifi gaming:)
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I think Mr. Jobs is required to say things like this. How would it look to his big (and only) US carrier partner locked in for 5 years or whatever it is, if he said "We condone the hackers and their unlocking software". What they actually do about it will really tell the story, and that's a wait and see game, so no use speculating.
"So next time Windows fails to start, you'll know why!"
:)
Well, it just happened to my desktop machine. Windows just stopped booting. Some weird kernel messages or something like that. Odd thing is, it didn't affect my Linux partition!? What are the odds of that? Are you sure this isn't some report sponsored by Microsoft to make it look like it's not their fault?!
since the "living room PC" is still a mostly unconquered market waiting for somebody to take it.
:) I want appliances that just do their thing, and do it well, and for a reasonable cost. There's a reason why so many people have DVD players. a) It's cheap and accessible. b) it's dead simple to use. c) There's easily accessible content that can be purchased or rented
Who says there is a market? Small niche market so far, what happens if it stays that way? HP has already stopped making their "living room PC". Maybe they have better foresight than others? I know from an anecdotal stand point, there's no market for such a device in my home
i doubt that the processor in the Wii would be able to make any useful contribution compared to ps3
:) Wii Points to buy VC games would be an AWESOME reward. That's what I was going for there.
you're probably right, but, the example was to illustrate the reward
If you look at The Xbox360 and it's Live service. You have to pay for it. They should have something like this, where MS gets the money from it, and users who contribute cycles can earn money off their Live services fees! (Probably capped to the cost of the Live service) That seems like it would make the most sense to me.
Of course, if Playstation 3 isn't charging for online access, then maybe it can be used to earn credits to purchasing stuff.
And for the Nintendo camp, how about earning those Wii points with contributing cycles! That'd be awesome!
If you look at the software sales data, the only company whose games are selling well for the Wii is Nintendo. By all accounts the hardware is selling faster than the Xbox 360, but the software isn't. It's almost as if Nintendo created the single game that people want to play on the Wii (and they're willing to pay $250 to play it).
You have to take into account the fact that Nintendo software devs have had a LOT more time to think about it and to experiment with it. It'll take some time for the 3rd party devs to start getting better at it, but Tiger '07 is a pretty good "first draft". I bought it on launch, and I like it. I can see huge potential for it as they tweak it for '08 and make it even better.
Just because people want the Wii does not mean people really want the controller. I mean, by that logic just because you buy a Dell means that you want all the spyware/crapware that is loaded on by default.
Let's be honest here. It's the controller that *is* the selling feature of the Wii. If you don't think so, then you've obviously never played it.
from TFA:
"There's no point building the hardware if nobody really wants it..."
What part of the 6 million Wiis sold to date says "no one wants it"? I know I sure want it. My friends want it. My friends' parents even want it! Unless he's just talking about the "hardcore" market again?
Cars have different models, just like Vista. So when you see a car commercial, what do they do? They have fine print that says "Model shown is Base + All Options". Microsoft's commercials do not mention any "versions" of Vista. Just "Vista". So I can kind of see where theses guys are coming from, but still, quite frivolous, even for this MS hater :)
I consider myself a pretty hardcore gamer. I spend most of my free time playing games. I'm not a fan of consoles, I'm a PC gamer. However, I own a Wii and love it. When I'm bored of my PC games (mostly FPS, I play a little EVE too) etc it's nice to relax playing some Twilight Princess or Rayman (As much as you can relax while playing Rayman =p).
The Wii remote makes the console what it is. Most console controllers are clunky and hard to move your character or AIM but the Wii-mote makes it simple and easy.
I should have probably expanded my definition of "uber-hardcore" gamer
Anyways, by "uber-hardcore" I'm talking about those kidz that are too-cool-for-school, kidz that think entire sentances can be constructed soley out of profanity. They like screaming into the mic when playing Counter-Strike, and play games mainly to kill things.
These are the types of guys that think the Wii is "childish"
... although all i have is anecdotal evidence.
... <drumroll> ... the rest of the world loves it :) That's a big market. Much bigger than the old target market. When sales data like this comes out, it just reinforces the notion that Nintendo got something right this round.
Every time I take my Wii to a friend's house, not only do they love it, but their (female!) spouse love it! It goes beyond that too. Often times, the parents will join in, and they love it too!
The only people I know that don't really like it are the uber-hardcore gamers. I know plenty of "hardcore" gamers that love it fine, but complement it with a dose of the 360/PS3.
So let's think about their target market now. The uber-hardcore don't like it. Fine. But the hardcore like it and
Congrats Nintendo!
If all of them failed (and he bought them all at the same time for his xbox emporium), perhaps he just got a bad batch?
It *was* a bad batch, it just so happened that batch was the complete launch batch
"My best guess is that Sony emerges as the winner of the movie format war in late 2008
Ummm, when did the console wars become 'who can push the most movies'?
Another reason why I don't care what the analysts say. I buy a console for games. Period. Have fun watching your movies on your PS3 until 2009, when games apparently get made for the PS3? WTF?
And like Nintendo, the customers are loyal with good reason.
I would have to agree 100%
Think about it. Most people who buy phones just want a phone that works. That's not the market Apple's going for. They're going for the guys that keep upgrading their expensive iPods with more expensive and newer iPods. Now, they'll get the latest "iPod" but it'll have a phone built-in too. If you look at the sales of the most expensive iPods, you'll see that there's more than enough people there to get Jobs' 1% market share that he wants out of the gates. Don't underestimate the loyalty that the Apple brand garners. It's much like Nintendo's. They'll buy whatever is the latest and greatest.
I personally think that plasmas give a much better image. Maybe one day when all our content is HD, I'll like LCDs, but for now, most of my usage is not HD. SD on LCDs looks terrible.
:) Go out to a store, and look for yourself!
:) )
Here's my real advice though, don't listen to anyone here, not even me
Also keep in mind what you're going to use it for. If you're going to watch a lot of DVDs on it (for example), bring a DVD with you, and make them hook up DVD players to the TVs you're interested and see how it looks. Even try out the up-converting DVD players see, how that goes. I even had a sales guy move a TV to where there was a cable outlet, so I can see what regular SD cable TV looked like on it, because frankly, there wasn't that much HD content back when I got my TV (over 3 years ago). (Thankfully, all the primetime TV shows are in HD now, some Leaf games are in HD, and all NFL games are in HD
Anyways, I repeat, go to a store, look at it for yourself, and remember, the stores will splice HD content to their TVs, so if your usage habits are mostly SD, get them to somehow get some SD content on their so you know how good of a job the TV does upconverting.
Ebay!
Seriously, go search for PS3s on ebay, what you'll find is that there are some selling for under retail now! I wonder if those sellers actually go through with those auctions? The Wii? It can still be found selling for nearly double retail.
I got my Wii yesterday, and I was *shocked* that it doesn't include any way of connecting it to the net. WTF! You need to buy an external adapter to connect it the net. F**king ripoff Nintendo.
Obviously a troll, but I wanted to share this anyhow.
The Wii, at $280CDN has built in wireless. To get wireless for an xbox360? How about $130CDN. That's almost HALF the cost of a hole Wii console that comes with 1 Wiimote, 1 nunchuk, built in wireless AND A GAME!
Please, don't talk about the Wii as a ripoff troll.
* And for those of you who want to argue that the xbox360 has built in ethernet, and the wii doesn't. All I have to say to that is, at least they're charging a reasonable price to add it!
"Convert those numbers into dollars and you're looking at one very fat and happy industry."
:)
:)
The only people we know for sure that's happy about all those consoles being moved is Nintendo.
*(1) Although, if you take console sales as an indirect indicator of software sales, then yes, the other guys would be happy too. More on this later
What we do know is this:
* Nintendo makes money on the Wii, right out of the gate.
* Nintendo makes money on each DS Lite sold.
* Sony's PS3 is losing $200-$300US (we don't exactly how much they're losing, but most analysts say about that range)
* Sony's PS2 hardware is profitable now.
* Microsoft was losing money on the Xbox360 at launch, but they've been working hard to reduce the cost to produce the 360, so it may be breaking even at this point. Only Microsoft knows.
So, Nintendo is certainly happy, Sony is happy PS2 still rakes it in but doesn't make up for PS3's enourmous costs, and Microsoft is happy to just be in the fight
*(1) Consoles moved means more software sales, which is where Microsoft and Sony plan to make their money back. (Nintendo makes money from selling ANYTHING with Nintendo on it, so we know they'll make money on software. They arguably make the most on software than any other single console game producer) Seems the internet believes Microsoft is enjoying a good software sales rate for their xbox360, they won't say of course. Meanwhile, Sony is just mum. Why? well, doesn't seem the attach rate for the PS3 is doing so hot in the US or Japan. So Sony's still far away from making money on their new system.
My point? The industry may or may not be happy, we don't know for sure, but we do know, Nintendo is happy with these numbers
PS WTF's with the 0.98 attach rate for PS3 in Japan?! That's amazing to me. I know lots of people are flipping these on ebay, but even in the land of the rising sun, people aren't buying it to play games. That's bad news. Japan's a huge Sony supporter. If they lose Japan, they're in trouble.
How did this guy get modded +5 interesting? By regurgitating exactly what Nintendo has been marketing? Nintendo has said themselves, they're not competing on pushing polygons, and they're a GAME company first. period.
IMO:
The good: Good controller design. Has a major nostalgia appeal. Compatible with all (?) GameCube games
The bad: Controller eats batteries. Lacks the advanced HD graphics and surround sound found on the Xbox 360 and the PS3
The uggly: It's lights years behind 360 and PS3 in multimedia features and graphics.
Yes, it is your opinion, so I can't argue that. But I can argue that your opinion stinks, and you obviously have zero experience with it. Just took the wii to a friend's place last weekend. Lot of university buddies gathered (along with our wives). Every one of them said they wanted to get a Wii now, and more importantly, every single one of the wives wanted them to get one! If that's not more significant than your perty gfx on your 360, then you my friend, obviously have no friends/lady friends.
This may be anecdotal evidence at best, but it sure sounds like a lot of people have had the same experience with their parents, grandparents etc. And this "evidence" sure beats the snot of of some MS apologist's (Yes, read his post history) "opinion" about something he knows nothing about.
http://search.ebay.ca/search/search.dll?from=R40&s atitle=ps3+console
I can't believe people are actually buying these preorders. I thought everyone knew that none of this preorder stuff was ever guaranteed. Ask the stores yourself, they'll tell you "that's how much we think we're getting".
sheesh, some people never learn.
Is that a made up word?
No
If you actually RTFA and look at the scan of the memo, you'll notice at the bottom, there's no intentions for a midnight opening for the Wii launch? What's up with that?!
This seems silly as I would assume there'd be a lot more Wiis to go around to actually make a launch party fun, as opposed to fustrating and violent as I forsee the PS3 midnight launch.
Makes no sense to me.
I went into EB today (I live in Canada), and they said they're doing pre-orders for PS3 and Wiis on Monday morning. You can only get 1 system. Not one of each, they're making you chose!
:) I don't remember having to line up for a pre-order. Isn't that what a pre-order is suppose to prevent?!? The need to line up on launch day!
:) Use that money to buy a Wii! But now they're only letting me pre-order 1 of the systems! Grrr ... I might have to take a risk and get the PS3 anyways, in hopes that I'll be able to find a launch party line up the night before the Wii launch. Afterall, there's supposed to be a lot more Wiis right?!
You need $50 in trade-in credit or $200 cash down.
They're expecting a line up too.
My question: WTF?!
This is getting a little out of hand. What's next? The Wii2 launch will require you to line up to get a # so that you can line up to pre-order, and then line up again to pick up on launch day?!
Problem is, I was going to maybe pre-order a PS3 to sell on ebay
Wiifanboy is saying that Canadians won't be able to pre-order til Monday.
:)
I'm gonna head over to EB at lunch just to check it out anyways.
I would rather line up on the 18th though. It'd be much more fun. I would imagine that a lot of the people in THAT line up would have a DS with them. That would be some fun wifi gaming