I have a serious question then. What's a good, easy to use Linux distribution for first time computer users that also will have security updates for many (3+) years to come?
There isn't a complete answer, but for me and my customers/business associates/employer, etc., a good answer has been Mandrake. It's non-US, so it's free to include such contraband items as mp3 decoders, and it has none of the bluecurve foolishness. Urpmi, while not nearly as elegant as apt-get, has the singular and very important benefit of resolving dependencies with supplemental packages in the Mandrake default install. This is something apt-get can't promise , at least without some tweaking (AFAIK, if I'm wrong, let me know), and it unlocks a much wider set of options to the new user than anything Fedora can do.
Admittedly, Mandrake 10 is a train wreck at the moment (stability, etc.), but 9.2 is a good platform for now, and is well supported. I have confidence that Mandrake will work out the problems with 10 (point release and all that), but I also had confidence in Red Hat, and we all see what that got me. My next stop on the Linux train will be Gentoo, if it comes to that.
I think the WWII cleanup effort was somewhat less comprehensive than you seem to believe it was. In fact, French farmers are still finding unexploded WWI(!) shells numbering in the tons every year. War cleanup basically consists of the following steps:
Kill remaining bad guys from losing regime.
Redraw map, divide spoils.
Put out things actually currently on fire.
Feed starving masses.
Rattle sabres about map/spoils.
Rebuild railroads, road systems, power, and plumbing.
If some major internal industry is of economic interest to the victors, rebuild that, too.
The short and direct answer to your question is because we couldn't tow it to Bikini.
(Which step we are on in Iraq is left as an exercise for the reader)
You're being lied to by people who don't know what they are talking about.. the corporate versions of said software don't have the same restriction and don't even require a serial number at all.
In the case of Arcserve, if you only need a single server license, you must tolerate spyware features. The corporate license is considerably more expensive. The fact that being free from spyware is a value added software feature does not make the grandparent a liar.
I've seen this pattern before. I've said something that offended the Slashdot gods (probably this) and the Great Hunt has begun. Everything I have posted over the past few days is being systematically down-modded on sight. The routine now calls for me to either go into exile or be down-modded into ignomy. Fine. Whatever.
The last time this happened, I apologized publicly, and went into exile for several months. In what was certainly one of the worst decisions of my life, I did return, and have been a poster in good standing for some time. Although not evident in my last 24 posts, some have valued my participation in the discussions, reflected by both moderation and replies. I mod and M2. I have a large friends list. I have been exemplary of the slashdot community.
No more. I am throwing in the towel. Sllort was right. Slashdot is a farce and a game, and I don't have time for it anymore. Fuck all of you.
Sllort, I'm a "sword saint", and I'm joining you. I will create a keypair for this account and post AC signed with my key, as per your excellent example. This will be the last post I make under this account by name.
Actually, I was referring to the very astute point that the very concept of a GUI is something Microsoft copied from Xerox and Apple. That sort of implodes the whole argument about KDE et. al. leeching the idea of a GUI from Microsoft.
Furthermore, the similarities between various X window manager implementations and Microsoft are there to help entrenched Windows users transition to Linux. To then turn around and declare the sum total of X development over the past 20 years to be a borrowed idea is absurd.
Well, considering that Hubble has been boosted to higher orbits in the past (several times!), I suppose the term "idiot" is more eloquent than you realize.
(5) in any case, you have to do R&D to find a way to attach such system and safely launch the HST into a new orbit (consider multitude of risks; the major one that I see is supersonic vibration generated by the rocket).
Yeah, because no thought whatsoever went into propulsing the Hubble telescope with rocket engines. Idiot.
As I park the bamboo bicycle in front of the Shop in order to have a black currant juice it feels almost as if I am dismounting a Harley right next to a café
Or the experience could more in tune with showing up on a flaming unicycle while wearing a clown suit. The only thing funnier would be if this conversation were taking place in a biker bar. I'm sure some good Harley riders would not hesitate to share their feelings regarding this very unfortunate metaphor.
You, and people like you, sound like the blithering idiots that would claim that nuclear energy would save the world and usher in a world of peace and prosperity with flying cars.
Your history is correct, but I take issue at your characterization of the zeal of electronic freedom advocates. While the Internet indeed began as a way to provide a military network resistant to nuclear attack, it arguably became the beginning of the second renaissance.
People have tasted freedom, real freedom for the first time in generations. If you had told someone from the 1950s that a conspiracy of media companies was trying to grow and foster a vast uninformed populace of sheep existing only to buy their content, and that preventing the people from free expression was part of this conspiracy, you would have laned in a nuthouse. The very fact that we are having this dicussion, indeed, the very context within which your naysaying even makes sense proves that we are experiencing a tremendous rebirth of freedom and exchange of ideas.
The fact that I think this is good thing, and worth fighting for, does not make me a deluded religious zealot. My generation (X) was marked by our jadedness and unconcern. We were the final product of the world created by Sony, Nike, Time Warner, et. al. (which includes flying cars and nuclear energy, by the way) We are no longer in that world. If you remain jaded for the sheer style of it (regardless of whether or not you are a member of that generation), then I submit that it is you who are caught up in the thinking of the time rather than thinking for yourself.
Actually, I remember several cases of professional welfare recipients living quite well off of the public dole. This was largely before welfare reform, of course, but the concept is still quite sound. It has a long history in the US, dating back to immigrant voting blocs in the 1800s. Provide for the people and secure their vote for life. Of course, this is exactly the same social model slavery was practiced under.
When is the riling against the "Windows losers" comment going to start being moderated redundant?
For one thing, he might consider the concern for privacy inherent in this whole drama to be incompatible with the decision to use Windows. Or, rather than being a member of a vast conspiracy to share the secret knowledge that Windows sucks, he may be trying to end this situation simply because he does not have time for all of this crap.
So exercise a neuron or two and apply Occam's razor to this situation. Is he the fire breathing Dark Knight of anti-Microsoft propaganda falling on his sword by going into a lawsuit while unemployed, or is his statement a parting shot in this issue expressing a simple intent to personally take stock of what, in this whole affair, he actually gives a shit about and to end the legal bullshit?
I think the illegality has more to do with launching denial of service attacks against the spammers' computers than it does with sharing their IP addresses.
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Someone finally asked, so I did.
I have a serious question then. What's a good, easy to use Linux distribution for first time computer users that also will have security updates for many (3+) years to come?
There isn't a complete answer, but for me and my customers/business associates/employer, etc., a good answer has been Mandrake. It's non-US, so it's free to include such contraband items as mp3 decoders, and it has none of the bluecurve foolishness. Urpmi, while not nearly as elegant as apt-get, has the singular and very important benefit of resolving dependencies with supplemental packages in the Mandrake default install. This is something apt-get can't promise , at least without some tweaking (AFAIK, if I'm wrong, let me know), and it unlocks a much wider set of options to the new user than anything Fedora can do.
Admittedly, Mandrake 10 is a train wreck at the moment (stability, etc.), but 9.2 is a good platform for now, and is well supported. I have confidence that Mandrake will work out the problems with 10 (point release and all that), but I also had confidence in Red Hat, and we all see what that got me. My next stop on the Linux train will be Gentoo, if it comes to that.
For a first-time user?
Hey, this is great, you've got your first Linux system. Whoops! Time's up. If you want security updates, it's time to wipe and reinstall!
Now I know why I've been having so much trouble at airports. I have the same name as a U.S. senator!
- Kill remaining bad guys from losing regime.
- Redraw map, divide spoils.
- Put out things actually currently on fire.
- Feed starving masses.
- Rattle sabres about map/spoils.
- Rebuild railroads, road systems, power, and plumbing.
- If some major internal industry is of economic interest to the victors, rebuild that, too.
The short and direct answer to your question is because we couldn't tow it to Bikini.(Which step we are on in Iraq is left as an exercise for the reader)
Are there non-nuclear explosions that do not occur on the Earth?
Ok, now my head hurts more.
Insert CD.
You forgot:
You're being lied to by people who don't know what they are talking about.. the corporate versions of said software don't have the same restriction and don't even require a serial number at all.
In the case of Arcserve, if you only need a single server license, you must tolerate spyware features. The corporate license is considerably more expensive. The fact that being free from spyware is a value added software feature does not make the grandparent a liar.
I've seen this pattern before. I've said something that offended the Slashdot gods (probably this) and the Great Hunt has begun. Everything I have posted over the past few days is being systematically down-modded on sight. The routine now calls for me to either go into exile or be down-modded into ignomy. Fine. Whatever.
The last time this happened, I apologized publicly, and went into exile for several months. In what was certainly one of the worst decisions of my life, I did return, and have been a poster in good standing for some time. Although not evident in my last 24 posts, some have valued my participation in the discussions, reflected by both moderation and replies. I mod and M2. I have a large friends list. I have been exemplary of the slashdot community.
No more. I am throwing in the towel. Sllort was right. Slashdot is a farce and a game, and I don't have time for it anymore. Fuck all of you.
Sllort, I'm a "sword saint", and I'm joining you. I will create a keypair for this account and post AC signed with my key, as per your excellent example. This will be the last post I make under this account by name.
Yes this IS a troll.
Actually, I was referring to the very astute point that the very concept of a GUI is something Microsoft copied from Xerox and Apple. That sort of implodes the whole argument about KDE et. al. leeching the idea of a GUI from Microsoft.
Furthermore, the similarities between various X window manager implementations and Microsoft are there to help entrenched Windows users transition to Linux. To then turn around and declare the sum total of X development over the past 20 years to be a borrowed idea is absurd.
I put $100 on a Spanish Inquisition.
This didn't start out as a troll but it ended up as one
I call bullshit. That is no troll. Mod parent up.
Well, considering that Hubble has been boosted to higher orbits in the past (several times!), I suppose the term "idiot" is more eloquent than you realize.
(5) in any case, you have to do R&D to find a way to attach such system and safely launch the HST into a new orbit (consider multitude of risks; the major one that I see is supersonic vibration generated by the rocket).
Yeah, because no thought whatsoever went into propulsing the Hubble telescope with rocket engines.
Idiot.
As I park the bamboo bicycle in front of the Shop in order to have a black currant juice it feels almost as if I am dismounting a Harley right next to a café
Or the experience could more in tune with showing up on a flaming unicycle while wearing a clown suit. The only thing funnier would be if this conversation were taking place in a biker bar. I'm sure some good Harley riders would not hesitate to share their feelings regarding this very unfortunate metaphor.
I'm sure some people have some ideas....
They're going to take aerial photos of CNN transcripts?
"Economics and state should be separated just as church and state, and for exactly the same reason."
That is an incredibly brilliant statement.
You, and people like you, sound like the blithering idiots that would claim that nuclear energy would save the world and usher in a world of peace and prosperity with flying cars.
Your history is correct, but I take issue at your characterization of the zeal of electronic freedom advocates. While the Internet indeed began as a way to provide a military network resistant to nuclear attack, it arguably became the beginning of the second renaissance.
People have tasted freedom, real freedom for the first time in generations. If you had told someone from the 1950s that a conspiracy of media companies was trying to grow and foster a vast uninformed populace of sheep existing only to buy their content, and that preventing the people from free expression was part of this conspiracy, you would have laned in a nuthouse. The very fact that we are having this dicussion, indeed, the very context within which your naysaying even makes sense proves that we are experiencing a tremendous rebirth of freedom and exchange of ideas.
The fact that I think this is good thing, and worth fighting for, does not make me a deluded religious zealot. My generation (X) was marked by our jadedness and unconcern. We were the final product of the world created by Sony, Nike, Time Warner, et. al. (which includes flying cars and nuclear energy, by the way) We are no longer in that world. If you remain jaded for the sheer style of it (regardless of whether or not you are a member of that generation), then I submit that it is you who are caught up in the thinking of the time rather than thinking for yourself.
Did those cases get rch of this money? No.
Actually, I remember several cases of professional welfare recipients living quite well off of the public dole. This was largely before welfare reform, of course, but the concept is still quite sound. It has a long history in the US, dating back to immigrant voting blocs in the 1800s. Provide for the people and secure their vote for life. Of course, this is exactly the same social model slavery was practiced under.
I send a query out with my chosen IP, and if no-one replies that it is taken, then I use the address
Yeah, that's what we need. Appletalk over IP.
Every time you share on a P2P network, God kills a kitten.
Please think of the kittens.
Holy shit! We can break the copyright cartel and the cat overpopulation problem in one fell swoop! Sign me up!
WTF is this, "uninterested in Windows" bullshit?
When is the riling against the "Windows losers" comment going to start being moderated redundant?
For one thing, he might consider the concern for privacy inherent in this whole drama to be incompatible with the decision to use Windows. Or, rather than being a member of a vast conspiracy to share the secret knowledge that Windows sucks, he may be trying to end this situation simply because he does not have time for all of this crap.
So exercise a neuron or two and apply Occam's razor to this situation. Is he the fire breathing Dark Knight of anti-Microsoft propaganda falling on his sword by going into a lawsuit while unemployed, or is his statement a parting shot in this issue expressing a simple intent to personally take stock of what, in this whole affair, he actually gives a shit about and to end the legal bullshit?
I think the illegality has more to do with launching denial of service attacks against the spammers' computers than it does with sharing their IP addresses.
In fact, the RICO statute comes to mind.
Please educate. I've been looking for a way to speak out effectively on this.
re: your sig. I salute your courage. Even moreso if you live in the United States.