I noticed that they want users to compair their product with versions that are downloadable from other distros like Mandrake.
Not only that but the version of Mandrake that they give out is 10.0 Community which is the bleeding edge version that came out before the polished Official version.
If I want to compair versions I can just download them myself... Oh Wait... Lindows doesn't have a downloadable binary version does it?
"it points out how redhat and mandrake don't come with flash support, in-browser video streaming, etc."
Their "fact sheet" seems a bit inaccurate. I use Mandrake 10.0 and it came with flash support. I wonder if it's the old trick of compairing their version that you pay for with Mandrake's version that gets downloaded.
User's really need to compaire boxed versions of equal cost.
"Judge Kimball has stated that The SCO Group has failed to meet the requirements of the law in its complaint against Novell and has dismissed the case but gives TSG 30 days to try to meet the legal requirements."
This is total crap. That's not what happened at all!
Go to groklaw to get the real poop.
1. SCO lost its fight to get the case sent back to state court. 2. Judge Kimball says he can't grant Novell's motion to dismiss at this stage. 3. Judge Kimball says that SCO didn't plead the damages part adequately and he gives them 30 days to try, try again.
From reading the title one would think that SCO lost it's case and the whole thing was over.
Pretty cheezy if you ask me!
Let's all wait until SCO really loses (which I'm pretty sure they will.) before we start slapping each other on our backs.
"It states that all non-trivial zeros of the zeta function lie on the line 1/2 + it as t ranges over the real numbers."
So what. My wife proved to me that there are no (and never will be) any non-trivial zeros on the left side of the decimal point in my checking account!
For me it is a plethora of things that keeps me away from Windows at home. (I am forced to use it at work.)
First of all I work as a programmer and so I'm fairly in tune with IT issues. The amount of effort spent to protect our users from viruses, worms, trojans, etc is enormous. The staff can barely keep up. It feels like we're playing ping-pong. No matter how many times we hit the ball back over the net we know that it's always going to get returned and it's only a matter of time before we miss.
The expense of the never-ending licensing fees is another. Server licenses, client licenses, Software "Assurance" fees for software that we aren't ready to upgrade but have to pay a big fee now or pay an even bigger fee later.
But mostly what keeps me away from Microsoft at home is their total disregard for the anti-trust laws. They put people in the above position and then keep them there by stifling their competition though endless sleazy tactics. They don't follow standards in an effort to prevent others from writing software that can interoperate. They make backroom deals with companies in order to fund bogus litigation while trying to hide the fact that they are the ones behind it. They lie about their competition. They pay politicians to write and/or support legislation that would kill their competition. The decision to break the law is just another financial calculation for Microsoft. If there is a big enough payoff they're willing to break the law. We don't need corporations that feel that they are powerful enough to disregard the law and play by their own rules. I think it would be much better for innovation if we were dealing with three smaller companies that had to abide by the rule of law like the rest of us.
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MONO is a very exciting concept. Having some degree of compatibility with Microsoft but with the current SCO-like strategies of litigating competition out of the picture and with the general feeling that Microsoft will use patents as a way of stifling it's biggest threat why should I feel good about the project?
Maybe someone can help me out here? What is going to prevent Microsoft from playing the patent card when it suits them?
What Microsoft is planning to do is to tell the hardware vendors "We're going to phase out our software for PC's. So if you don't want to lose your business when out monopoly does this you had better sell this "appliance" software that will only run our services." And we all know that Microsoft is more than willing to use its monopoly position to force hardware vendors to go along or get run out of business.
At that point, hardware vendors will be under a tremendous pressure to go along with Microsoft. After all over 95% of all computers on the planet run a Microsoft OS. As people get suckered in to this the cost of regular PCs will rise and eventually become prohibitively expensive. No hardware vendor is going to want to be the one holding a large inventory of computers that no one will buy. (Just a few of us geeks.)
What we need to do (and do it NOW) is to start a campaign that tells people the truth. That the hardware isn't free, the cost is just hidden in the services that they will be forced to pay. Once all competition has died Microsoft will have them by the short hairs and they can expect to be financially raped. The only reason that they want to tell people that the hardware is free is so if the person stops paying the subscription fees Microsoft or one of its flunkies can take the hardware back. (Leaving no platform for its open source competition.) 'Hey, you didn't pay for it. You only paid for the subscription to our non-open source software.'
Unless we can keep Microsoft from breaking the law and forcing hardware vendors to comply or die this will get serious. Remember, Microsoft doesn't care if it breaks the law as long as it gets a big enough return. We need laws that will put these bastards in prison for very long times.
that open source will drive down the cost of software thus deflating over priced products by a few monopolistic companies it is also true that millions of people will benefit. The savings that the vast majority will incur will help the overall economic situation.
Microsoft will suffer but so what? That's just one company that doesn't pay taxes anyway. If the Bush administration is really in favor of giving everyone a tax break and not just the rich they should help abolish the Microsoft tax.
Human nature could well destroy all human life. Most people don't want to become involved unless it directly affects them. The unfortunate thing about the damaging the eco system is that affects may not become apparent until it is far too late.
Personally, I don't believe that mankind is intelligent enough to save itself. My prediction:
Mankind will continue to argue about whether or not global warming is a problem. Many of those who will argue that it's unproven or just not true will have business agendas of their own and will believe that if it is a problem that there is still time for them to make their fortune before being forced to change their ways.
The eco system will the stressed until finally a slow but unstoppable cascade effect will occur. Once the point of no return has been passed one species after another will become extinct and death and destruction will climb up though the food chain.
By the time people stop arguing about the dangers of abusing our eco system it will be far too late. A massive world effort will ensue where all the wealth gained from raping our planet will be spent on a desperate search for a way to save ourselves but we will only find a grave.
There are NO "negative implications of the truth" If you buy a license from troll tech you can link to their libraries without opening your source. They will provide you with a NON-GPL license.
You seem not to understand how license agreements work. If you own the copyright you can release your code under the GPL and any other licenses you wish. The people using your code under the GPL are bound by it however.
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Really? Well I won't be dogmatic about it. I never have run Lindows but that is what I have read. It would be great if I were wrong about this but I read that in order to make everything work for their users they made the default user root.
And you are correct about XP. It's really scarry that Microsoft tells everyone that security is their top priority and then they do that.
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I think there are a few viruses for Linux but they can't do much if you don't run as root.
Anyway, I agree that ClamAV is mostly for file/mail servers that are on a network with Windows boxes. However, as viruses do appear for Linux ClamAV will be able to detect them.
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"Another article discusses whether Linux will become a target for viruses as its popularity grows."
Yes, it will and distros like Lindows that run the default user as root had better get their act together. Poor judgement calls like that could make Linux the next security joke right behind Microsoft.
I just installed Mandrake 10.0 and noticed that it offers an open source anti-virus product called "CLAM." According to the docs this product will automatically update its virus definition files. So assuming that these files are kept current we may be way ahead of the curve on this.
You are correct that it has been GPL'd but if you want to write closed source software that links to it you can. You just need to buy a non-GPL licnese from TrollTech.
Most people don't understand that the copyright owner has the right to license their products under more than one license. So all the FUD about not being able to write closed source software that links to QT is simply wrong.
I don't know that the system will actually collapse however. Probably what will happen is that patents will be selectively enforced. That is Microsoft won't sue other large corporations like IBM who would have an arsenal of patents that it could counter sue over but they would be glad to make strategic strikes against open source groups in an attempt to kill or at least slow what they now perceive as their greatest threat. Linux.
As I recall Netscape was in a similar position. Never under estimate Microsoft's power to abuse its monopoly position on its desktop.
Let's look at what each side has:
Google: Current dominance in the search engine market.
Microsoft: Desktop OS monopoly running on over 95% of the PCs on the planet. A legal system that doesn't have the backbone to stop them from bundling their "search technology" into their OS. Billions of dollars to bribe our corrupt political system with campaign financing.
Score: Google 0, Microsoft 1
Google will be history within five to ten years unless our courts and political system gets taken back from corporate interests.
"The hope is that increased money in the coffers will allow the hiring of more highly skilled engineers to look at technical patents, as well as speed up the sometimes ponderous process of securing a patent. The bill has passed the house with a resounding 379-28 vote, and now goes to the Senate. Given all the discussions about how so many bad patents are being granted, could this be a good thing?"
The rate at which large monopolistic software companies are applying for software patents is astounding. There have been something like four million software patents applied for in just the last few years. At that rate it doesn't matter if there are hundreds of highly skilled engineers to the payroll. They will still be unable to give the needed time to make good judgment calls.
The only real solution is to abolish software patents altogether. I fear that a large company of questionable character who will remain unnamed but who's initials are "Microsoft" will try to use software patents to destroy Linux.
Groklaw has a good article dealing with this subject. Well worth the read if you haven't read it already.
"McBride has done battle before. He compares his fight with Linux supporters to the time when his family caught thieves stealing cattle from their ranch in Utah.
"We brought those guys to justice," he said. "It's very similar to what we are dealing with here."
Because he blatantly lies about owning code in the Linux kernel?
Because he has no respect for other people's copyrights? He is still selling NMap even after his right to do so was revoked.
Because he tries to extort money much like a modern day mobster?
Because he compares Linux users to cattle rustlers?
All of the above things would irritate any rational person but I haven't heard any proof that anyone wants to kill this pathetic little man. Just another lie designed to say "Look at poor me! I'm the victim here! Look at me.... look at me..."
a list of doctors that have been sued. I think I would be interested in knowing if the doctor that was going to cut my chest open had been sued multiple times.
"As a "small part" of that settlement, Barrenechea said, CA got a bunch of UnixWare licenses that it needed to support its UnixWare customers. SCO, he said, had just attached a transparent Linux indemnification to all UnixWare licenses and that is how SCO comes off calling CA a Linux licensee.
But when CA agreed to that settlement, Barrenechea said, "It was not CA's intention to become a Linux licensee. It has nothing to do with CA's product direction or strategic direction," he said.
CA has absolutely no sympathy for what SCO is doing, Barrenechea said, and in fact, he said, reading from a formal statement, it stands in "stark disagreement with SCO's tactics and threats."
Barrenechea and CA's Linux chief Sam Greenblatt are worried that CA will be tarred with the SCO brush and that CA's considerable Linux ambitions will be damaged by a disaffected, if not hostile, open source community when in reality CA has "nothing to do with SCO's strategy and tactics," they said."
So the truth comes out... SCO's "Significant" Linux license taker didn't pay a dime for the Linux licenses but rather had them slipped in uninvited so that SCO could make a misleading claim! Typical of SCO...
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That cloak doesn't do anything that a good bottle of scotch wouldn't.
Oh wait... After drinking scotch I only think I'm invisible... Never mind...
I noticed that they want users to compair their product with versions that are downloadable from other distros like Mandrake.
Not only that but the version of Mandrake that they give out is 10.0 Community which is the bleeding edge version that came out before the polished Official version.
If I want to compair versions I can just download them myself... Oh Wait... Lindows doesn't have a downloadable binary version does it?
"it points out how redhat and mandrake don't come with flash support, in-browser video streaming, etc."
Their "fact sheet" seems a bit inaccurate. I use Mandrake 10.0 and it came with flash support. I wonder if it's the old trick of compairing their version that you pay for with Mandrake's version that gets downloaded.
User's really need to compaire boxed versions of equal cost.
"Judge Kimball has stated that The SCO Group has failed to meet the requirements of the law in its complaint against Novell and has dismissed the case but gives TSG 30 days to try to meet the legal requirements."
This is total crap. That's not what happened at all!
Go to groklaw to get the real poop.
1. SCO lost its fight to get the case sent back to state court.
2. Judge Kimball says he can't grant Novell's motion to dismiss at this stage.
3. Judge Kimball says that SCO didn't plead the damages part adequately and he gives them 30 days to try, try again.
From reading the title one would think that SCO lost it's case and the whole thing was over.
Pretty cheezy if you ask me!
Let's all wait until SCO really loses (which I'm pretty sure they will.) before we start slapping each other on our backs.
"It states that all non-trivial zeros of the zeta function lie on the line 1/2 + it as t ranges over the real numbers."
So what. My wife proved to me that there are no (and never will be) any non-trivial zeros on the left side of the decimal point in my checking account!
For me it is a plethora of things that keeps me away from Windows at home. (I am forced to use it at work.)
First of all I work as a programmer and so I'm fairly in tune with IT issues. The amount of effort spent to protect our users from viruses, worms, trojans, etc is enormous. The staff can barely keep up. It feels like we're playing ping-pong. No matter how many times we hit the ball back over the net we know that it's always going to get returned and it's only a matter of time before we miss.
The expense of the never-ending licensing fees is another. Server licenses, client licenses, Software "Assurance" fees for software that we aren't ready to upgrade but have to pay a big fee now or pay an even bigger fee later.
But mostly what keeps me away from Microsoft at home is their total disregard for the anti-trust laws. They put people in the above position and then keep them there by stifling their competition though endless sleazy tactics. They don't follow standards in an effort to prevent others from writing software that can interoperate. They make backroom deals with companies in order to fund bogus litigation while trying to hide the fact that they are the ones behind it. They lie about their competition. They pay politicians to write and/or support legislation that would kill their competition. The decision to break the law is just another financial calculation for Microsoft. If there is a big enough payoff they're willing to break the law. We don't need corporations that feel that they are powerful enough to disregard the law and play by their own rules. I think it would be much better for innovation if we were dealing with three smaller companies that had to abide by the rule of law like the rest of us.
MONO is a very exciting concept. Having some degree of compatibility with Microsoft but with the current SCO-like strategies of litigating competition out of the picture and with the general feeling that Microsoft will use patents as a way of stifling it's biggest threat why should I feel good about the project?
Maybe someone can help me out here? What is going to prevent Microsoft from playing the patent card when it suits them?
What Microsoft is planning to do is to tell the hardware vendors "We're going to phase out our software for PC's. So if you don't want to lose your business when out monopoly does this you had better sell this "appliance" software that will only run our services." And we all know that Microsoft is more than willing to use its monopoly position to force hardware vendors to go along or get run out of business.
At that point, hardware vendors will be under a tremendous pressure to go along with Microsoft. After all over 95% of all computers on the planet run a Microsoft OS. As people get suckered in to this the cost of regular PCs will rise and eventually become prohibitively expensive. No hardware vendor is going to want to be the one holding a large inventory of computers that no one will buy. (Just a few of us geeks.)
What we need to do (and do it NOW) is to start a campaign that tells people the truth. That the hardware isn't free, the cost is just hidden in the services that they will be forced to pay. Once all competition has died Microsoft will have them by the short hairs and they can expect to be financially raped. The only reason that they want to tell people that the hardware is free is so if the person stops paying the subscription fees Microsoft or one of its flunkies can take the hardware back. (Leaving no platform for its open source competition.) 'Hey, you didn't pay for it. You only paid for the subscription to our non-open source software.'
Unless we can keep Microsoft from breaking the law and forcing hardware vendors to comply or die this will get serious. Remember, Microsoft doesn't care if it breaks the law as long as it gets a big enough return. We need laws that will put these bastards in prison for very long times.
"round 2025, you'll pay $1,000 a year for a nanopill that will extend your life by suppressing heart attacks, diabetes and other diseases."
The Borg thought it was a good idea at the time too...
that open source will drive down the cost of software thus deflating over priced products by a few monopolistic companies it is also true that millions of people will benefit. The savings that the vast majority will incur will help the overall economic situation.
Microsoft will suffer but so what? That's just one company that doesn't pay taxes anyway. If the Bush administration is really in favor of giving everyone a tax break and not just the rich they should help abolish the Microsoft tax.
Human nature could well destroy all human life. Most people don't want to become involved unless it directly affects them. The unfortunate thing about the damaging the eco system is that affects may not become apparent until it is far too late.
Personally, I don't believe that mankind is intelligent enough to save itself. My prediction:
Mankind will continue to argue about whether or not global warming is a problem. Many of those who will argue that it's unproven or just not true will have business agendas of their own and will believe that if it is a problem that there is still time for them to make their fortune before being forced to change their ways.
The eco system will the stressed until finally a slow but unstoppable cascade effect will occur. Once the point of no return has been passed one species after another will become extinct and death and destruction will climb up though the food chain.
By the time people stop arguing about the dangers of abusing our eco system it will be far too late. A massive world effort will ensue where all the wealth gained from raping our planet will be spent on a desperate search for a way to save ourselves but we will only find a grave.
No, the FUD is just that.
There are NO "negative implications of the truth" If you buy a license from troll tech you can link to their libraries without opening your source. They will provide you with a NON-GPL license.
You seem not to understand how license agreements work. If you own the copyright you can release your code under the GPL and any other licenses you wish. The people using your code under the GPL are bound by it however.
Really? Well I won't be dogmatic about it. I never have run Lindows but that is what I have read. It would be great if I were wrong about this but I read that in order to make everything work for their users they made the default user root.
And you are correct about XP. It's really scarry that Microsoft tells everyone that security is their top priority and then they do that.
I think there are a few viruses for Linux but they can't do much if you don't run as root.
Anyway, I agree that ClamAV is mostly for file/mail servers that are on a network with Windows boxes. However, as viruses do appear for Linux ClamAV will be able to detect them.
"Another article discusses whether Linux will become a target for viruses as its popularity grows."
Yes, it will and distros like Lindows that run the default user as root had better get their act together. Poor judgement calls like that could make Linux the next security joke right behind Microsoft.
I just installed Mandrake 10.0 and noticed that it offers an open source anti-virus product called "CLAM." According to the docs this product will automatically update its virus definition files. So assuming that these files are kept current we may be way ahead of the curve on this.
You are correct that it has been GPL'd but if you want to write closed source software that links to it you can. You just need to buy a non-GPL licnese from TrollTech.
Most people don't understand that the copyright owner has the right to license their products under more than one license. So all the FUD about not being able to write closed source software that links to QT is simply wrong.
Interesting possibility.
I don't know that the system will actually collapse however. Probably what will happen is that patents will be selectively enforced. That is Microsoft won't sue other large corporations like IBM who would have an arsenal of patents that it could counter sue over but they would be glad to make strategic strikes against open source groups in an attempt to kill or at least slow what they now perceive as their greatest threat. Linux.
As I recall Netscape was in a similar position. Never under estimate Microsoft's power to abuse its monopoly position on its desktop.
Let's look at what each side has:
Google: Current dominance in the search engine market.
Microsoft: Desktop OS monopoly running on over 95% of the PCs on the planet. A legal system that doesn't have the backbone to stop them from bundling their "search technology" into their OS. Billions of dollars to bribe our corrupt political system with campaign financing.
Score: Google 0, Microsoft 1
Google will be history within five to ten years unless our courts and political system gets taken back from corporate interests.
"The hope is that increased money in the coffers will allow the hiring of more highly skilled engineers to look at technical patents, as well as speed up the sometimes ponderous process of securing a patent. The bill has passed the house with a resounding 379-28 vote, and now goes to the Senate. Given all the discussions about how so many bad patents are being granted, could this be a good thing?"
The rate at which large monopolistic software companies are applying
for software patents is astounding. There have been something
like four million software patents applied for in just the last few
years. At that rate it doesn't matter if there are hundreds of
highly skilled engineers to the payroll. They will still be
unable to give the needed time to make good judgment calls.
The only real solution is to abolish software patents altogether.
I fear that a large company of questionable character who will remain
unnamed but who's initials are "Microsoft" will try to use software
patents to destroy Linux.
Groklaw has a good article
dealing with this subject. Well worth the read if you haven't
read it already.
I have run Mandrake for years. There is an GUI update tool that is point and click.
On the KDE menu:
System | Configuration | Packaging | Mandrake Update
Very easy!
"McBride has done battle before. He compares his fight with Linux supporters to the time when his family caught thieves stealing cattle from their ranch in Utah.
"We brought those guys to justice," he said. "It's very similar to what we are dealing with here."
Because he blatantly lies about owning code in the Linux kernel?
Because he has no respect for other people's copyrights? He is still selling NMap even after his right to do so was revoked.
Because he tries to extort money much like a modern day mobster?
Because he compares Linux users to cattle rustlers?
All of the above things would irritate any rational person but I haven't heard any proof that anyone wants to kill this pathetic little man. Just another lie designed to say "Look at poor me! I'm the victim here! Look at me.... look at me..."
Pathetic really pathetic.
a list of doctors that have been sued. I think I would be interested in knowing if the doctor that was going to cut my chest open had been sued multiple times.
"As a "small part" of that settlement, Barrenechea said, CA got a bunch of UnixWare licenses that it needed to support its UnixWare customers. SCO, he said, had just attached a transparent Linux indemnification to all UnixWare licenses and that is how SCO comes off calling CA a Linux licensee.
But when CA agreed to that settlement, Barrenechea said, "It was not CA's intention to become a Linux licensee. It has nothing to do with CA's product direction or strategic direction," he said.
CA has absolutely no sympathy for what SCO is doing, Barrenechea said, and in fact, he said, reading from a formal statement, it stands in "stark disagreement with SCO's tactics and threats."
Barrenechea and CA's Linux chief Sam Greenblatt are worried that CA will be tarred with the SCO brush and that CA's considerable Linux ambitions will be damaged by a disaffected, if not hostile, open source community when in reality CA has "nothing to do with SCO's strategy and tactics," they said."
So the truth comes out... SCO's "Significant" Linux license taker didn't pay a dime for the Linux licenses but rather had them slipped in uninvited so that SCO could make a misleading claim! Typical of SCO...
"...a document obtained by Cnet reveals some earlier plans by SCO's legal team."
It's good to know that SCO's legal team has a plan and is sticking to it...
I wonder if they have the bankruptcy paperwork already filled out for when the shit really hits the fan?
Here it is, folks, the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is available immediately to club members and later the 3 first CDs of the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Download Edition will be available to everyone, but right now we would like to thank all our supporters, club members and contributors, with this exclusive access.
Check the bittorrent page to download the ISOs.
All the club members have access to the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Download Edition 4 CDs set.
Silver and above members have access to the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Powerpack Edition 5 CDs set.
Moreover a Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community DVD Edition is available at Mandrakestore