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Buy Lindows, Get Fedora and Mandrake Too?
tacarat writes "Lindows has an interesting deal going on right now. If you go to Linuxshootout.com, you can get Linspire/Lindows 4.5, Mandrake 10 and Fedora Core 2 or a mere $29.95 download or $39.95 for the 8 CD set. Yahoo! News covers this story. Quoting Michael Robertson,'Our emphasis on Linspire is ease of use -- making Linux quick and easy to install and use,' he said. 'Other products may have a different focus. That doesn't mean they aren't great products, just that their focus may be different. Every new Linux computer helps the Linux desktop industry, regardless of what company's product you choose'. Also, 'We want to encourage side-by-side comparisons of the latest Linux products.' Interesting strategy. Will their sales go up because people are buying Lindows plus the other two distros, or will it be the other way around?"
Their intentions seem well, and I think it's a great example of how the Linux community, even between 'competing' distros, tries to help the movement as a whole.
I know nothing
If you check my ebay auction, I have sensitive and important information on how to get a FREE download of Fedora Core 2 and Mandrake Linux 10! That's right!
For only $4.99 + $2.00 service charge, I'll email you a very secret link, not found anywhere near www.redhat.com or www.mandrake.com.
Or... something...
I think that anything that furthers Linux deployment on the desktop is a good thing. Whether or not this will have that effect is doubtful.
The preceding message was based on actual events. Only the names, locations and events have been changed.
>Linspire/Lindows 4.5, Mandrake 10 and Fedora Core 2
and extra cheese please.
Andrej
If you "buy" Lindows, you still need to pay $99 per year for "Click-N-Run," which is a proprietary variant of apt-get.
You can download Fedora and Mandrake for free. Don't pay money for software.
Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Software Liberator
...and it works for you, why do you need still more?
--
GNAA
This isn't a terrible plan if you a truly confident in your product. I think we've seen that Robertson is confident in Linspire, and although he may be controversial, I think he's done a lot to promote Linux. Promotion is not a bad thing, and from my experience, Linspire is not a bad introductory distro, so this is probably a good thing.
When you can encourage consumers to compare your product with others of similar caliber, it must mean you feel you're doing some things right yourself. An interesting move, at the very least.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
... if you check their Shootout list their motives seem to be less than friendly towards the other distros...
...biased, aren't they?
$100 for the first visitor of http://www.linuxshootout.com/shootout.php that finds a category in which Linspire does not win/get the highest rating (Hint, hint: Use the "magic eraser").
Bill Claybrook vice president at market research firm Harvard Research Group, said he can't see the point to Lindows' three-in-one packaging. "Who is going to pay money to download three Linux distributions?"
...
Retail-box is also useless because one order mandrake and fedore CD from chapbytes.com and host of other websites for less $$
Looks like lindows is having hard time selling their *own* product
I think Robertson's shooting himself in the foot here. Lindows is stripped down so much that probably only the extreme newbie (as in computer newbie, not so much Linux newbie) will find it suitable. The other two allow a bit more breathing room.
He better hope that the people who buy this package try Lindows first and decide not to install Mandrake or Fedora Core otherwise there won't be too many CNR subscriptions coming his way.
In summary, he's going for the wrong market. Stick to bundling it with cheap Wal-Mart PCs, Michael.
Until Slashdot fixes the funny modifier, use insightful or interesting. The poster knows your intentions.
Moron.
apt-get is still in there. You only need to pay if you WISH to use Click-N-Run.
If you know how to use apt-get, then use it. If not, and want an easy graphical way to install software and see value in the service, then pay for it.
Sheesh.
Ditch the Linshit/spire/whatever, drink the beer, and install the two linux distros. Trust me, you will be happier in the long run.
"This site has no connection or endorsement with Red Hat Inc or MandrakeSoft." I guess that says it all.
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the shootout site shows lindows with all ticks and all stars when Fedora / Mandrake have mostly crosses and 1 star. even when you Mandrake and Fedora can popup block with mozilla firefox. And players are availably for most of the media it talks about the others not supporting ESPECIALLY flash
If you have nothing useful to say post as AC.
The site is produced by Lindows, and the bias is obvious. What makes me laugh even more is the example shootout with the "magic eraser" that makes it clear that they think Lindows is the best distro available. There is no talk about compensating the Fedora and Mandrake products, and there is only minimal support included. If a site doesnt clearly display such an important bias, I normally write it off (just like MartinLutherKing.org ... yet another example of where a (very important ) bias is not discussed)
I agree in that this seems to be a great idea. However, it would be interesting to see the "comprehensive" checklist they've included with that bundle. Notice how the screenshots on the Web site only show pictures for Linspire.
I think it's clear that Michael Robertson believes in Linux. I don't think he intends to compete with other distros in a dishonest fashion. Lindows are clearly entitled to use this bundle to promote Linsipre not only over Windows but over said other distros... I just wonder how are they doing it? (If they are doing that to being with)
In any event, it's a great marketing trick. Hope they manage to attract enough customers with it!
The revolution will not be televised.
The Gentoo folk would have liked to issue a statement but were unavailable when the story went to print because they were too busy compiling.
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From the site: "Pit the best Linux products against each other!" Okay ... so can I get a CD package with Slackware, Debian and Gentoo on it? /runs away from inevitable distro war
Seriously, I wonder why there's no comparison of other desktop/newbie oriented distros, such as Xandros and Lycoris? Seems like that's the real competition to Linspire.
Then there's the supposed comparisons in their "shootout", which are just opinion in the top section, while the middle and bottom section are just outright lies.
Kinda scummy, in my opinion.
Can anyone explain to me why I would want to give someone a distro that runs the root user as the system default (a.k.a. windows baggage).
In fact, I went to Frye's the other day, saw the Lindows demo, brought a manager over and showed him how to foobar the entire distro in 10 seconds by changing the /etc/passwd file (with the default root environment)
"Buy Encarta for $29.99 and get Windows XP, .NET Studio, and Office 2003 free"
1. Hardcore geeks on dialup, a set that's getting smaller all the time, or
2. A corporate IT center who wants to elvaluate multiple distros for a production environment, and it's just easier to buy three distros from a single source.
Moreover, this would seem to be exactly the opposite of Lindows/Linspire's current target market, i.e. people who want a computer that sorta/kinda works like Windows, but is cheaper than paying the Microsoft tax. Joe Blow picking up his $299 Lindows box at Walmart is the last person who needs multiple distros (or, for that matter, even knows what a "distro" is).
What am I missing? Who's the market for this package?
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
To me it seems like three diffrent levels of distros in userfrendlyness, to the new linux user.
- Lindows for the newbie
- Mandrake for the more novice
- Fedora for the more expreienced and experimenting
This could be the package for people new to linux wanting to try it out.. And ready to blow their machine up some times.
Lindows is indeed a soft switch for those migrating to linux from windows. But somewhat locked into that position.
This would perhaps mean that the user buys at least one CnR license, then realizes he doesn't realy have to pay anything and switches to the one with the cutest penguin(mandrake?).
Perhaps better for Linux in general than for the Lindows distro.
Mohahah!
I actually see this as good/evil marketing.
:)
If you go through the site it seems to be a pathetic means of pointing out Lindows as a better distro.
By pointing out the fact that Fedora takes WAY TOO F'ING LONG to install, and that mandrake and fedora are "harder to use" and lack things like flash, support, and effective auto device finding (I still can't get my prism2 based wi-fi card to work under mandrake 10)
True things like apt, urmpi are freaking easy to use, but they have to be configured, and lindows is a "newbie" os.
The target market for this is newbies, and press/tech editors who don't know any better.
For a real Shootout may I recomend modified fedora and mandrake distros like
Blag Linux - A live Fedora based distro with the stuff you really need, and is only on 1 cd.
PClinuxOs- a live mandrake distro with synaptic, a front for Apt-get
Knopix- A debian based live cd, that has tons of great stuff, and dosn't use the root acount for everything like linspire (which is debian based)
PS. Someone AIM-daphreak07, icq -17654783 if they can help me get my wi-fi card working so i can be free of winblows XP once again... Help a poor college student
come comment on the madness at http://slashdot.org/~phreak03/journal/
Sometimes cdrom set is more convenient than an .iso. But even then, it makes little sense to pay more than a pittance for a distro if you aren't planning on exploiting the support that comes bundled in with boxed versions.
Who's gonna INSTALL the other distros? If you're paying to ship/download Lindows, Fedora, and Mandrake ... chances are, you're doing so because you want to install Lindows. Otherwise you'd just go get Fedora or Mandrake.
Who doesn't like free music?
In my opinion...
I think that is much more clever than including a installable distro...
That does not say that the intention is very well indeed...
Slackware and Debian do not run as root by default. Check your facts before posting next time.
Am I the only one who doesn't think 40 bucks for 8 CDs is really cheap. I just bought for half that money FC2, Mandrake 10 and a third distro (Arch Linux) just for fun. In total 10 CDs for 22 bucks with free shipping. Sites like linuxcentral.com or osdisc.com usually charge 2-3 dollar per CD. So, especially since this a shootout deal, you would expect it to be a bargain. And it isn't.
Of course downloading is even cheaper. YMMV, but when I can get a CD set in my mailbox for only a few dollars more than downloading and burning one myself, that has always had my preference.
Browsers shouldn't have a back button!! It's all about going forward...
This seems like a pretty clever plan to get people to try their distro. They give the user the "comfort" of being able to thing "Oh, this is good... at least if I don't like Linspire I can try out the others... there's bound to be one distro I'll like," and even if that person does end up choosing one of the others, at least they made a profit.
Were I a newbie looking to try out Linux, I would probably test drive Mandrake or Fedore before giving Linspire a spin, so this seems like a clever way to profit off that tendency.
a mere $29.95 download or $39.95 for the 8 CD set
Ummm, I thought Linux was FREE?!?!
Lindows doesn't learn from others errors, is not the fact of pushing cds bundles to sell linux....
Industry still doesn't see linux professionals seriously, there are already unix admins that can take the linux administration in a snap.
Lindows should focus on selling pc's with lindows installed and live from the licensing.
"Pornography web filtering available?: Yes ( Linspire ) No ( Mandrake ) No ( Fedora )"
I'm thinking a big no on Linspire.
Slashdot sucks
you're essentially paying them to do package management for you. Once you've downloaded the software, you're free to back up and use the packages to you're hearts content. From the email:
"You can backup your programs to your hearts content. Just so you know, once you download a program, you will have access to that file forever. Under Click-N-RUn, on the Left, My Products -> All Categories. You will always be able to get these even after your subscription expires."
Oh, and if you want legal DVD playback, they've gone to the trouble to buy the licenses. For home users this isn't really an issue (yet). For system builders, you can't just go bundling libdecss with you're machines (it's also illegal to tell them to download libdecss on their own, btw).
So, no, Lindows isn't Microsoft in the making.
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I wonder how long it takes before our beloved mr Gates gets the same idea and offers a couple of linux CDs with every Windows to "try them out"...
That'll be the day!
I have tried all these distributions, and here is what I think of them.
Lindows. I got this back at an Osnews promotion a while ago. While it was easy to install, the software selection was limited and if you wanted more you had to pay for click and run. It was just a spiffed up KDE and a few flash demos. Didn't stay on my system for long
Mandrake. The best out of the three, very easy to use, large software selection. I used the cooker for a while but I got bored of Mandrake and tried Fedora Core 2 instead.
Fedora Core 2. Easy to installm but takes a long time. Uses GNOME by default but a castrated GNOME. KDE was screwed too. The Nvidia drivers on it sucked so out it went.
I now use SuSE 9.1, which in my opinion is the best Linux yet. It so easy to use, with a massive software collection, including loads of GAMES, the NVIDIA patch makes it easy to set up, so this is the distribution that has won the shootout.
I have also tried Debian (too hard), Gentoo (too easy to smash the portage tree), Ark (weird), Xandros Open Circulation (Too strange), Windows XP (worst of all, uninstalled in less than an hour).
found here
To me, this doesn't seem to be helping the others... Anyone can sell a copy of these distros, and make a profit. Your only costs are the CD you need to burn it on. To me, this isn't a way for Lindows/Linspire to help the other distrubitions, it's another way to make a buck. It's not against the rules, but, it certainly isn't helping Mandrake or Red Hat, if anything its taking money out of their pockets.
WANNAWIKI Wannawiki WannaWiki WANNAWIKI!
1. Take software which is available for free all over the net, and which requires that source code remains open an all times.
:)
2. Add a few bits and pieces to make it more like certain other commercial software
3. Give away free copies of your "competitor's" product with your own.
4. ??
5. Profit!
Sounds crazy written down, but I bet it works
Not only is this a good idea because it helps to spread Linux as a whole, but it gives a nice taste of the various distros, and gives those who feel they are ready to dive a little deeper two solid distros to try out. I can see a user purchasing the set, starting with Lindows for a while, then eventually switching to Fedora or Mandrake once they are a little more comfortable with their environement... However, both Fedora and Mandrake are fairly easy to use on their own (and Mandrake 10 is just flat out awesome, made the switch from Slack, for now at least), so maybe it really won't matter in that aspect.
and seriouly, I can't believe what i've been missing (Linux in general). I studied Linux briefly as part of a course I did, but the lecturer failed to inspire me to take it any further.
The quality and speed of the OS has been great, and I even found I hesitated to boot into Windows when wanting to play the odd game. As soon as I set up my Radeon properly (3D Accel not working properly) then i'll be looking to make a permanent change.
My browser rendered the article writeup with the following line breaks, and I parsed it totally wrong:
...leading me to ask, a) what news organization is covering the story, and b) why is the submitter so darn excited about it?
If you go to Linuxshootout.com, you can get
Linspire/Lindows 4.5, Mandrake 10 and Fedora Core 2 or a mere $29.95 download or $39.95 for the 8 CD set. Yahoo!
News covers this story.
Funny thing about that checklist is, they claim fedora plays mp3's. For the average linspire user, it wouldn't.
First off lets just point out that Lindows has a DVD Player available that was built for Lindows. Hrm my 90 dollar copy of SuSE 9.1 does not and it's a pain to get it installed.
Lindows has many packages that provide features that WindowsXP provided such as a pictures organizer and other stuff available to the users.
Other distro's who want to target the desktop enviroment would do well by taking a look at how Lindows/Linspire, Xandros, and Lycoris are pushing their wares.
Slap a cheaper-brand label on the same hardware and sell it at a reduced price.
...
Slightly OT. I miss the boxed RedHat Professional Server. Nice box, although they got smaller and thinner after 6.2. Never mind that I only used what was on the first few CDs. Never mind that I could just about as easily downloaded what I was using for free. I can't really blame RedHat. Those boxes were profitable but not lucrative. RedHat's main asset is its name, and they aren't selling it so cheaply anymore. CheapBytes may well have the same bits and bytes, but it doesn't have the same name.
Looks like lindows is having hard time selling their *own* product
I wouldn't read it that way. Selling your competitors' product, at a steep discount no less, shows a lot of guts (which will be remembered) and is one way of creating "excitement". It also helps shift the question from "Whether Linux" to "Which Linux". This is a strategy you can only get from a savvy principal, never from a hired-hand consultant.
into oblivion when they had the chance, if for no other reason but for Lindows trying to pimp linux in a whore house full of ugly, fat, skinny, tall and short distributions, but FREE nonetheless.
This or last month, one of the english Linux rags came with Lindows (along a few other distros, and as they do every month) on their front cover DVD.
-1, Dumbass
Is there anything original in Lindows or are they just copying someone elses work?
Some years ago (IIRC something around '96-'98) SuSE regularly produced a multi-CD set with several popular distributions (SuSE certainly, Redhat, and perhaps Slackware and something else, too long ago to remember). Was also not too expensive, something around 25 EUR for six or seven CDs. Back then it came quite handy as downloading a whole distro via dialup was not really fun.
I was under the impression that Linux was free, you just had to publicly release anything you made in a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" sorta way...
--- [Insert intresting Sig here]
It's not like trying to con people into clicking a Last Measure link in one's sig counted as real Linux knowledge credentials ;)
Since Lindows is'nt worth buying,or using,then Mandrake is just another empty can,in this pile of garbage.
Well, were I to try a stunt like this, I too would pick the biggest, and most buggy competitors I had, as it would help to make my own offering look much better by comparison.
I'm not saying that Mandrake or Fedora are hard to install, but man are they fat and of low quality.
What the Linux world needs to succed in the desktop market is something like Slackware, but easy to install and use, or a completely open source/free system like Xandros.
..so how does this affect me? Just curious.
> Just because its FOSS doesn't mean you shouldn't pay
Why not? If they are licensing it free then that EXACTLY means I shouldn't pay.
If I feel like I *want* to donate, that's fine. But that goes without saying. I may want to donate new helmets to my local fire department or blood to the local blood bank. But if I walk into Costingtons and they are giving away some widget I shouldn't feel obligated to tip anyone because of some BS guilt trip you think we all should be sharing.
What Lindows is doing is ethical and within the licensing agreements of the software it offers. The wrong mindset is "Well, I'll release this FOSS and then bitch about how stingy everyone is. Or I'll release this FOSS and expect it to be treated like proprietary software without any investment in marketing, support, etc."
it may be that they are using a 2.4 kernel (i couldn't find the info on their site) to make it more stable.
to be sincere, if a newbie boots Fedora Core 2 and gnome he is going to bail out fast. they should have used FC1 in the comparison since FC2 was a step backwards.
I remember that, our local Linux group used to give it out for free at meetings to the noobs. I got a copy and installed Slackware from it back in 1995, IIRC. It also had a full Linux FTP site on a few CD disks of applications.
All Linspire/Lindows is doing is what InfoMagik used to do, only without the Linux FTP site on a few CD disks.
I wonder if they can include a Linux version of the OpenCD or some other OSS installer disk?
Linspire/Lindows has some customized code to run the same data and media files as a Windows workstation, too bad they did not make the code for that as GPL to share it with other distros.
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I don't care how the distro's get into peoples hands once they have a taste of linux they will want choice. This will lead them to other. Albeit, maybe only a small percentage will continue trying other distro's. It is better than not having them trying nothing and staying with M$.
You can still use apt-get in Linspire/Lindows. Go to /etc/apt/sources.lst and take out the comments, those "#" signs and then apt-get works as it should.
/var/lib/rpm/ was missing so I created it, ran apt-get install rpm and then rpm --initdb and rpm --rebuilddb and it fixed the problem of not being able to load RPMs with Linspire.
apt-get install gcc
apt-get install man
apt-get install mozilla
No need to run the CNR program at all. Just watch out for KDE updates that can corrupt the Linspire/Lindows code.
Also they crippled RPM too.
Once you get apt-get and rpm working properly, you are able to get good luvin' OSS installs working like a champ!
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If you want to add value to a product you can't sell it for $20 like this. You need a special edition with incredibly good reviews and charge an arm and a leg. Redhat AS almost did it right, except it lost a community and a half when their management can't figure to be a pal or be a foe for Fedora.
They can charge you for the distribution of the Linux software. Also Linspire/Lindows contains commercial code that does not fall under the GPL. Sort of like CrossOver Office being based on WINE. While you can download WINE for free, CrossOver Office is only available if you pay for it. Such is the same deal for Linspire/Lindows.
;)
Finally a Linux company with a workable business plan, find a way to make Linux pay off besides just charging for support and Tux Dolls.
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I dunno, but it occures to me that the Lindows/Linspire folks, after having been pursued and hounded by Microsoft in courtrooms around the world, MAYBE have other motives for this marketing campaign.
...Just as long as it isn't to MSWindows.
:o)
I'm sure they want their distro to be the one folks choose. And for newbies, why NOT give some choices? Lots of potential newbies don't even know there ARE other choices.
Maybe, in the end, if they can't convince a new customer to install Lindows, they really don't care which other software they lose a sale to...
Personally, I think this is a smart idea and hope it works nicely for them.
And yes, I know...being an anonymouse coward lowers the value of my 2 cents worth of opinion considerably, but what the hell...there it is.
Okay - I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get Fedora Core 2 to boot. I've tried it several times on the two spare machines I have - it's installed just fine but *every single time* it's locked up when it tries to boot from the hard drive. The last thing I see is the text "GRUB" - and the machine apparently hangs.
I gather that's a bootloader - I've tried not using it (it didn't boot), I've tried randomly messing with the options on install (the "use LBA32" option looked promising but didn't help), tried not touching anything and doing the 100% default install, letting it completely take over the machine - but not once have I managed to get the fucking thing to boot. I'm fairly computer literate - and Linux seems to be *far* from easy to set up.
Any suggestions as to what I can try? I'm about ready to give up and try another distro - or maybe even re-install Windows NT on those old machines - at least I know that works.
CNR is NOT $99.
CNR is free for 14 days (so you can add any of the programs you feel might be missing at no cost). If you want to continue with the SERVICE, it's only $4.95 a month or $49.95 a year. It's an OPTIONAL SERVICE, you don't "have" to have it.
CNR is like paying someone to change the oil in your car. Sure, you can do it yourself, but for many people their time is more valuable to them, and they'd rather pay to have the service provided for them.
If you think it's some sort of sin to pay for services, I'm assuming you also never pay to have the oil changed in your car, pay to have someone cook your food at a restraunt, pay to have someone baby sit your children, pay to have your hair cut, etc...all things that can be done for free, but we often prefer to pay someone to do this for us.
Kevin
I am so sick and tired of this FUD. I run Lindows and run it just fine as a user. When you install it, it has a VERY EASY TO USE tool for adding users.
Enough BS already!
WTF?
a GNAA troll modded Insightful?
(no, I'm not new here)
Spent the weekend at Mom & Dad's house trying to get Linspire (nee Lindows) to print a test page on his Epson inkjet (connected via LPR/LPD on a DLink print server). Started: 4pm; Finished: 9am the next morning. Next I loaded RedHat 9 -- same thing.
Stuff like this is why OSS software will have a tough time displacing software from Redmond.
Chip H.
Linspire is not a bad introductory distro
You are kidding, right?
I noticed that they want users to compair their product with versions that are downloadable from other distros like Mandrake.
Not only that but the version of Mandrake that they give out is 10.0 Community which is the bleeding edge version that came out before the polished Official version.
If I want to compair versions I can just download them myself... Oh Wait... Lindows doesn't have a downloadable binary version does it?
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
When Lindows was first announced, I signed up for the Insider program. Recently I received a coupon for a free copy of Linspire 4.5 and a 5 month full membership to their warehouse feature. Quite simply an offer I couldn't refuse. I downloaded Linspire 4.5 and checked it out, and I'd have to say it's pretty tight. My hardware all worked out of the box with no configuration (other than switching the network settings away from DHCP), and the click-n-run feature is drop-dead simple. In no time I had a queue of software waiting to be installed, downloading and installing using Debian's apt-get utility in the background.
Overall I'd say it's a really good introduction to Linux for less-than-computer-savvy users, as well as a solid operating system for someone who really doesn't care what's running their computer -- just that it works. I think it would work especially well in an office environment for people who just need to use their standard office applications to get their work done.
That said, I remain a die-hard Mandrake devotee.
I tried Lindows from a cover disk recently, and was unimpressed.
The much-praised easy installer failed to detect any ISA hardware (tomsrtbt does a better job), useability and eye-candy is no better than any other mainstream distro out there, and it has an outrageous license that makes me think perhaps "mere aggregation" should be prohibited under the GPL. They even have the audacity to say during installation (I'm paraphrasing), "With Lindows you get the benefits of all this great GPL'd software, now sign this EULA."
Bundling this shambles with a couple of real distros sounds like Corel's last-ditch effort to flog Word Perfect by bundling it with Debian.
True enough. I could have sex with the fat older lady that lives in the apartment below mine, but I prefer to pay a hot young call girl.
It was great for people who could not download the ISOs, or did not have access to a CD Burner to make them if they did. IIRC they also had a subscription to their CD set for newer CDs.
Ah, well at least I still have my memories of them.
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In the past I've had a lot of respect for this guy. But in the last year, it's been nearly completely eroded. He seems to think that it's still the 1990s, and you can run a business by jumping from one buzzword to another every couple of months.
Michael, here's a clue: concentrate on one thing until it's done, before you jump on to the next thing. And keep your personality out of it!
I've drunk the Lindows/Linspire Kool-Aid. It seems like a worthwhile project. I actually went out and bought copies, and I've installed them on friend's and family's machines. It's a nice distro, as far as it goes. Few Slashdotters would be happy with it, but for someone whose whole world has been Windows-based, it's perfect. And CNR is darn near brilliant.
For a couple of months, a lot of the Lindows developers' focus was going into one of Michael's pet projects, NVU, which was going to be a free, open-source replacement for MS FrontPage. Great idea, right? Well, it got to version 0.2, which almost-works but appears to be completely stalled. The announced 1st-quarter release date has long since come and gone.
This month his focus seems to have shifted over to this silly "shootout" between distros. Hey Mike, another clue: Lindows is a pretty nice thing, but you haven't got a chance in Hell of competing with Fedora or Mandrake. They're aimed at a much different target audience, and that audience doesn't need a pre-installed GUI. And your average Lindows user is going to take a look at Mandrake and run away fast.
Last month it was his VOIP startup, SIP-phone or whatever it's called. It sounds like a great idea, but I'm not buying it, because I don't know if his focus is going to shift to something else while this one falls by the wayside in a month or two, half finished.
Companies can actually charge for distribution costs, the cost of making media, manuals, etc. Red Hat does this, apparently.
Windows is free, to the Internet Pirates, just that the security updates for Windows are locked out on pirated copies. This allows worms and viruses to spread faster when critical service packs cannot be installed on the Pirated Windows workstations.
BTW Microsoft was toying with a subscription model for Windows Updates not too long ago.
Keep XP and Longhorn, free the other versions of Windows, and charge for support of older versions if they must.
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29.95? Where? lol
Not sure if it's your intention.
But are you saying that 'apt-get' is that fat older lady that lives downstairs and that 'Click-n-Run' is the hot young call girl ?
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When I first read this, I read "Yahoo! as an exclamation by the original poster at first (starting and ending at Yahoo!), and then continued reading the next sentence. Then, I understood that this entire fragment was one sentence ("Yahoo! News covers this story..."), with "Yahoo! News" being the subject, despite the exclamation mark. I had to break my normal reading habits to understand this sentence. This may be in fact what Yahoo wants in order to draw attention to itself, and also because its logo includes the exclamation mark. Regardless, companies should not be allowed to usurp the meaning of everday symbols in language in print and text, and this sentence is one such example of how Yahoo's abuse of the exclamation mark corrupts our language.
Also, even though I'm a native speaker of English, I can imagine this makes the language more difficult for non-native speakers to understand. People should not respect Yahoo's abuse of the exclamation mark, which has a more important task of placing emphasis on certain sentences!
If you try all 3 and decide you like the free ones better, they've already got your money.
"If you go to Linuxshootout.com, you can get Linspire/Lindows 4.5, Mandrake 10 and Fedora Core 2 or a mere $29.95 download or $39.95 for the 8 CD set."
Isn't it great that Linux is ending the fragmentation that plagued Unix in the past?
You dont get out much, do you?
Well, you can buy a *BSD sampler at www.cheapbytes.com/
I don't know if they sell Linux samplers.
Won't the comparison effort be thrown off a little due to the fact that Fedora will fUX0r
the dual-boot or tri-boot setup?
Slackware recommends that you create a regular user. It doesn't FORCE you to do so, but it makes it clear that you should. Does Lindows^H^H^H^Hspire?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
are the competition even if they have low marketshare, because they aim for the kinds of user Linspire aims for, and have many similarities feature-wise.
However, in my personal comparison of all three, Xandros with integrated Crossover Office is the only real competition (Lycoris had quite a few issues, and a very limited selection of software, not being debian-based).
Advantages of Xandros were auto-run of Windows install CDs with easy integration of Windows apps (at least those that work under Crossover Office), and the Xandros file manager (with integrated CD ripping and burning, which is really cool and nicer than Windows XPs).
Disadvantages of Xandros were, it hung when a Dell Axim PocketPC was plugged in (during KDE startup), and it couldn't get through my corporate firewall to download updates (though browsing through the firewall works fine).
Long story short: Xandros was slightly easier to use (when it works) but Linspire's CNR is nicer, has a wider selection of software (yes, this could change), and works through a firewall (though it had some hassle getting that set up as well).
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