But it's worse than that. Zuckerberg is keeping control of the voting shares in a way that allows the other investors zero say in how the company is run. He will appoint the directors. He will tell them what to say. He will decide all by himself how much he spends on development and how much on salaries including his own and how much he returns to investors in dividends or stock buybacks.
Good. Companies ran by boards in the interest of shareholders and not the business (not mutually inclusive) typically have a way of fucking over the business, the workers, and the product by driving incredibly hard for cheaper and faster. I think Zuckerberg has done a brilliant move with this. Other than simply retaining control he's also showing shareholders that the direction of the company is stilll in his hands - the same leader that managed to get 10% of the world's population using his product(I read this figure somewhere recently). Love it or hate it - there's something to be said for it.
What is this, 4chan? Despite who/what this person is it doesn't take away from his point that foxconn does in fact produce for many, many other companies - not just apple.
How about a well-written rebuttal/criticism like eldavojohn did below this post?
I was actually writing the same exact thing until I caught your post. I'm pretty sure if the OP's friend doesn't understand this logic then they might as well leave him glued to the tv on fox and go about their life elsewhere.
I'm just going to skip all of these angry comments and suggest a model I'd be happy with:
It'd be a combination of what steam and blizzard have already done. Have a decent single player game experience. That gameplay will be attached to the physical disc. If I want to give that disc to a friend they're able to play the single player campaign of SC2.
Multiplayer, however, should require some sort of a code at a low price ($5-10) - understandably there should be some income for new players as running servers isn't free as we all know here. Traditional used sales don't support the cost of those servers.
The other part - and something that would encourage me to pay full price: make the game entirely downloadable to those who a) bought physical copies or b) paid for the full download online. Xbox 360 is damned close to this model but missed it where it mattered - I don't want to be bound to a physical disc all the friggin time. Wtf was the point of getting that model with the massive harddrive just to still be tethered to physical media? And then not only that they don't have all games available for purchase/download online and as far as I know if my harddrive dies I lose download rights to that software; whereas with Steam/Blizzard I can download indefinitely as it's attached to my account, not device.
I think it'd be interesting to have something like a digital broker who doesnt deal directly with consumers but holds all the licensing for itunes, amazon, and other digital services. Would it be my ideal solution? Not a chance. But it could be more effective than litigating ourselves to death.
However, the only way I think it could be worth a damn is if the consumer could rely on that service lasting "forever" (a lifetime at a minimum) and would thus have to become attached to a government somehow and that opens up another crazy can of worms.
Sometimes I think the world is just too big and too small all at the same time these days with the introduction of the internet in all of these aspects of our lives.
Yet there's something appealing about its outright honesty regarding the issue at hand as opposed to the usual distraction of "Think of the children/country/lawyers/artists/puppies/etc"...
This is more like them saying if you want to join now it'll cost $7300/year (@ $20/day) and that there's no option to go down to $650. There's no "saved money". Both parties may very well want to stream iron 24/7. As for the $10/hour guy - I'd surmise that they wouldn't be the netflix crowd. However, w/ ATT your options are pretty limited with plans and the prices aren't exactly reasonable. And let's not even talk about how I could be paying for a phone to be subsidized without actually having a new one from them... There's a reason I switched to a better company (Virgin Mobile: $25 prepaid for unlimited data/texting + 300 minutes; the plan is only $35/mo now and uses Sprint towers - you just have to buy your own phone from them and trust me when I say don't go for the cheap smartphones ($200)).
7) Geometry Data Types perhaps? There might be some merit to this one if anything. I'm not going to waste any time digging further into the aspects of your feud though.
If I just go home, build a crate of ethernet patch cables, and then use them at work I'm likely to not be directly compensated for it. I have a couple options: 1) build them at work on company time or 2) get authorization from my boss and work out overtime, comp time, or some other variant. The WRONG option is to just hand my boss a bill out of the blue and say "look at all the awesome stuff I did". Had OP worked out something with the boss ahead of time he could have had more favorable results or at least been told before-hand that it's not in the budget, someone else is already working on it, or so on...
As many, many of the other posters have mentioned this guy has this annoying sense of entitlement that I don't quite get. The real world doesn't work the way he expects it to. Welcome to it.
That's pretty much why I put the note about being unfamiliar with the culture there - essentially leaving the door open for an education on London crime.:)
I didn't do anything because this was a very tall bloke, and was probably carrying a knife. I didn't call the police either, since, this being East London, he was no doubt part of a gang and knowing my luck I'd walk into him the following week.
I'm admittedly unfamiliar with London and it's culture but this irks the hell out of me. Maybe it's just the way of life there but here's a relevant movie quote:
"And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."
While I'm ok with this as an end user and I actively use chrome at home so I'm used to this, I can't help but wonder if this is going to either be a godsend or nightmare for the enterprise IT crowd. However, the shop I work in is fairly good about letting go of things such as the infamous IE6 and we've had very little issues with the latest.
Yeah...folding chairs are *so* expensive. As are tables.
Really, if someone wanted to accomodate for a similar number of people it wouldn't require much more money than it would to host DnD - furniture-wise. As for the hardware - have people bring their own. If you want to be fancy about it - take some carpentry classes and see if you could learn how to build a lot of this yourself. I don't see much that was too flashy here that would be out of reach of anyone who didn't mind saving a bit for a year and wouldn't mind learning some new skills.
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But it's worse than that. Zuckerberg is keeping control of the voting shares in a way that allows the other investors zero say in how the company is run. He will appoint the directors. He will tell them what to say. He will decide all by himself how much he spends on development and how much on salaries including his own and how much he returns to investors in dividends or stock buybacks.
Good. Companies ran by boards in the interest of shareholders and not the business (not mutually inclusive) typically have a way of fucking over the business, the workers, and the product by driving incredibly hard for cheaper and faster. I think Zuckerberg has done a brilliant move with this. Other than simply retaining control he's also showing shareholders that the direction of the company is stilll in his hands - the same leader that managed to get 10% of the world's population using his product(I read this figure somewhere recently). Love it or hate it - there's something to be said for it.
Step one would be to log in. :)
Well played, troll. Well played...
What is this, 4chan? Despite who/what this person is it doesn't take away from his point that foxconn does in fact produce for many, many other companies - not just apple.
How about a well-written rebuttal/criticism like eldavojohn did below this post?
http://xkcd.com/678/
I was actually writing the same exact thing until I caught your post. I'm pretty sure if the OP's friend doesn't understand this logic then they might as well leave him glued to the tv on fox and go about their life elsewhere.
Seconded! This is one of the coolest hacks I've heard of on /. for a good while.
I'm just going to skip all of these angry comments and suggest a model I'd be happy with:
It'd be a combination of what steam and blizzard have already done. Have a decent single player game experience. That gameplay will be attached to the physical disc. If I want to give that disc to a friend they're able to play the single player campaign of SC2.
Multiplayer, however, should require some sort of a code at a low price ($5-10) - understandably there should be some income for new players as running servers isn't free as we all know here. Traditional used sales don't support the cost of those servers.
The other part - and something that would encourage me to pay full price: make the game entirely downloadable to those who a) bought physical copies or b) paid for the full download online. Xbox 360 is damned close to this model but missed it where it mattered - I don't want to be bound to a physical disc all the friggin time. Wtf was the point of getting that model with the massive harddrive just to still be tethered to physical media? And then not only that they don't have all games available for purchase/download online and as far as I know if my harddrive dies I lose download rights to that software; whereas with Steam/Blizzard I can download indefinitely as it's attached to my account, not device.
I think it'd be interesting to have something like a digital broker who doesnt deal directly with consumers but holds all the licensing for itunes, amazon, and other digital services. Would it be my ideal solution? Not a chance. But it could be more effective than litigating ourselves to death. However, the only way I think it could be worth a damn is if the consumer could rely on that service lasting "forever" (a lifetime at a minimum) and would thus have to become attached to a government somehow and that opens up another crazy can of worms. Sometimes I think the world is just too big and too small all at the same time these days with the introduction of the internet in all of these aspects of our lives.
it was every congressperson who didn't want alleged terrorists in their local jails that stopped that
FTFY.
Yet there's something appealing about its outright honesty regarding the issue at hand as opposed to the usual distraction of "Think of the children/country/lawyers/artists/puppies/etc"...
This is more like them saying if you want to join now it'll cost $7300/year (@ $20/day) and that there's no option to go down to $650. There's no "saved money". Both parties may very well want to stream iron 24/7. As for the $10/hour guy - I'd surmise that they wouldn't be the netflix crowd. However, w/ ATT your options are pretty limited with plans and the prices aren't exactly reasonable. And let's not even talk about how I could be paying for a phone to be subsidized without actually having a new one from them... There's a reason I switched to a better company (Virgin Mobile: $25 prepaid for unlimited data/texting + 300 minutes; the plan is only $35/mo now and uses Sprint towers - you just have to buy your own phone from them and trust me when I say don't go for the cheap smartphones ($200)).
Oddly enough mother-in-laws are still a pain in your ass regardless of your east/west affiliation.
after they announced they were moving all new drug discovery work to China.
Am I wrong for finding this to be absolutely frightening?
Someone's bound to take a stab at it sooner or later...
7) Geometry Data Types perhaps? There might be some merit to this one if anything. I'm not going to waste any time digging further into the aspects of your feud though.
Oh wow - thanks for the info. I often find myself amazed at the diversity of the people on slashdot and the random things I learn from them.
"I can walk. And I can see. But I can't walk and see at the same time."
Ok, I'm curious. I've never heard of this. Mind sharing details?
I cared. Don't speak for me.
That was really his own choice.
If I just go home, build a crate of ethernet patch cables, and then use them at work I'm likely to not be directly compensated for it. I have a couple options: 1) build them at work on company time or 2) get authorization from my boss and work out overtime, comp time, or some other variant. The WRONG option is to just hand my boss a bill out of the blue and say "look at all the awesome stuff I did". Had OP worked out something with the boss ahead of time he could have had more favorable results or at least been told before-hand that it's not in the budget, someone else is already working on it, or so on...
As many, many of the other posters have mentioned this guy has this annoying sense of entitlement that I don't quite get. The real world doesn't work the way he expects it to. Welcome to it.
That's pretty much why I put the note about being unfamiliar with the culture there - essentially leaving the door open for an education on London crime. :)
Boondock Saints. I actually had no idea it was a reference to a real event. Thanks for the info!
I didn't do anything because this was a very tall bloke, and was probably carrying a knife. I didn't call the police either, since, this being East London, he was no doubt part of a gang and knowing my luck I'd walk into him the following week.
I'm admittedly unfamiliar with London and it's culture but this irks the hell out of me. Maybe it's just the way of life there but here's a relevant movie quote:
"And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."
While I'm ok with this as an end user and I actively use chrome at home so I'm used to this, I can't help but wonder if this is going to either be a godsend or nightmare for the enterprise IT crowd. However, the shop I work in is fairly good about letting go of things such as the infamous IE6 and we've had very little issues with the latest.
Yeah...folding chairs are *so* expensive. As are tables.
Really, if someone wanted to accomodate for a similar number of people it wouldn't require much more money than it would to host DnD - furniture-wise. As for the hardware - have people bring their own. If you want to be fancy about it - take some carpentry classes and see if you could learn how to build a lot of this yourself. I don't see much that was too flashy here that would be out of reach of anyone who didn't mind saving a bit for a year and wouldn't mind learning some new skills.