You're right. For investgatve purposes, torture doesn't work, because the subject will not tell you the truth; he'll tell you whatever you want to hear. However, real investigation is rarely the motive for torture. My comment was in response to a stupid statement by its parent, which I quote:
Between acting out of spite and acting out of self-interest, spite almost always wins. That's why torture never works. Between not having them jab a spike into your balls, and making the jerk who wants to do that feel like he's bad at torture, you go with making the guy feel bad.
Says who? I'm serious. Most people expect privacy in a dark theater (just watch how many of them make out in one). But you say it isn't so with great authority, so I'm assuming theres a law somewhere, or at least a volume of precedents to sustain your point. I eagerly await your answer (I hope it's not "because I know so").
You have seen too many Chuck Norris films and too little of real life. Torture ALWAYS works. Always. Every single time. Because torture is a really terrifying affair, and having seen it on film does not make you an expert. I have met and interviewed torture victims. There's nothing glamorous about it, and I really wish you didn't trivialize it so.
Change "theater" for "hotel room". Your sentence still parses, but is less obviously right (in fact, it becomes clearly wrong). Not saying you're wrong, only that it's not as cut and dried as you make it to be.
Sure there is a use for overrated. Factually wrong information. Often, I have found posts with outright lies (I'm not talking opinions, I'm talking idiots spouting technobabble) that has been modded as Informative. Often, they're refuted clearly in later posts, but they obviously do not deserve a +5. Yet, I can't in good faith hit the with "Troll" or "Flamebait". So, overrated. Until the good folks at Slashdot see fit to include a (badly needed, in my opinion) -1, Wrong.
Wow. I've always been amazed by that kind of nationalism, based on a flawed silogism. -The Internet/Slashdot/whatever was made by americans. - I'm an american. - So, I have a right to be proud of the accomplishments of others.
On the other hand, I'm sure Tim Berners-Lee, Yuri Gagarin, Alan Turing, Charles Babbage and a hell of a lot of other people (plus Laika the dog) would be really amused at your comment. Or pissed off.
Well, it's just my opinion. However, allow me to pull out a cliché. "In 1965, Professor Challis A. Hall Jr. read the term paper Fred Smith had submitted for his Economics class. It described a delivery system using a hub topology. Hall graded it a C, because altough it was original, it would never work in the real world. A couple of years later, Smith founded Federal Express."
All I'm saying is, considering where Linux is today, Tennenbaum's assertions that Linus "should have paid more attention in class" sounds to me like what Hall would say.
You're both right. Mom and Pop stores serve a niche. And, whether you realize it or not, you are part of a niche. I realized that when I saw your last paragraph, and noticed it didn't sound appealing at all to me, or most of my acquaintances. Most people don't care enough about music to take the time to chat about it at a store. So, you're the niche, and the mom and pop store caters to you. QED
There it is. The old "you are not with me, so you are against me" fanatical mindset that is impossible to reason with. I hate what some jews are doing to the palestinians, and I hate what some palestinian do to the jews. It's all stupid. Pro-Arab coverage in the US? You gotta be kidding me. I mean, really. And, oh yeah, mass killing of palestinians is fictional all right. And that's only yesterday, mind you.
That's how I interpreted it. Seeing the general tone of his responses, Alaa came through as affable, intelligent and nice. When confronted with a silly question, he expresses mild outrage in a "you dumbass" friendly kinda way, and takes pains to explain the meaning of his egyptian expression. So, I took it as a friendly jab. Silly question? Let's consider it. The question was, why are there no women in your event? Answer, yes there were, and there are 36 pictures in the site showing women. So, the asker obviously didn't VTFS (Visit... Site). I think Alaa's mock outrage was more that justified.
Back in 89, I was very active in the BITNET Relay. A lot of Americans (and a few Europeans), after being told I was in Mexico, started to ask about my horse, and assumed I was in some kind of backwater hacienda. I think the funniest was an American girl, asking "Do you have computers in Mexico?".
I'm sure you don't hate Jews. But do you realize that the logical result of disbanding the state of Israel would be a displacement and perhaps mass-killing of so many of those Jews whom you do not hate?
Yep. And that would be SO much worst than the displacement and mass-killing of so many of those Palestinians who used to live there. It's perfectly possible to be against those policies without hating jews, you know.
They could become buddhists. Only religion I know that never killed or tried to convert anyone. Just for that, I'd consider it. If I needed a religion, that is.
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You're right. For investgatve purposes, torture doesn't work, because the subject will not tell you the truth; he'll tell you whatever you want to hear. However, real investigation is rarely the motive for torture.
My comment was in response to a stupid statement by its parent, which I quote:
Between acting out of spite and acting out of self-interest, spite almost always wins. That's why torture never works. Between not having them jab a spike into your balls, and making the jerk who wants to do that feel like he's bad at torture, you go with making the guy feel bad.
This sounded so idiotic, I really had to respond.
Says who?
I'm serious. Most people expect privacy in a dark theater (just watch how many of them make out in one). But you say it isn't so with great authority, so I'm assuming theres a law somewhere, or at least a volume of precedents to sustain your point. I eagerly await your answer (I hope it's not "because I know so").
You have seen too many Chuck Norris films and too little of real life.
Torture ALWAYS works. Always. Every single time. Because torture is a really terrifying affair, and having seen it on film does not make you an expert.
I have met and interviewed torture victims. There's nothing glamorous about it, and I really wish you didn't trivialize it so.
Change "theater" for "hotel room". Your sentence still parses, but is less obviously right (in fact, it becomes clearly wrong).
Not saying you're wrong, only that it's not as cut and dried as you make it to be.
Sure there is a use for overrated. Factually wrong information.
Often, I have found posts with outright lies (I'm not talking opinions, I'm talking idiots spouting technobabble) that has been modded as Informative. Often, they're refuted clearly in later posts, but they obviously do not deserve a +5. Yet, I can't in good faith hit the with "Troll" or "Flamebait". So, overrated. Until the good folks at Slashdot see fit to include a (badly needed, in my opinion) -1, Wrong.
Actually... the name is Iñigo Montoya. Iñigo is an actual (somewhat common in fact) spanish name. The pronunciation is somewhere near Inyigo.
but the Curia came down on his hard ...
There really has to be a Top Ten for bad typos... this one would be there...
...of a 17 million dollares check made to "Cash".
Nah, he should have asked for all of it in coins. Pennies, preferably.
Wow. I've always been amazed by that kind of nationalism, based on a flawed silogism.
-The Internet/Slashdot/whatever was made by americans.
- I'm an american.
- So, I have a right to be proud of the accomplishments of others.
On the other hand, I'm sure Tim Berners-Lee, Yuri Gagarin, Alan Turing, Charles Babbage and a hell of a lot of other people (plus Laika the dog) would be really amused at your comment. Or pissed off.
Ever played Crimson Skies? So, what would you call those zeppelins? Hanger hangars, or hangar hangers?
HA! I kill myself!
As long as its not Dfox ;)
I just had to say, I hope you didn't go to all that "my surname" problem to hide the surname "Fox".
Right, jdfox?
Well, it's just my opinion. However, allow me to pull out a cliché.
"In 1965, Professor Challis A. Hall Jr. read the term paper Fred Smith had submitted for his Economics class. It described a delivery system using a hub topology. Hall graded it a C, because altough it was original, it would never work in the real world.
A couple of years later, Smith founded Federal Express."
All I'm saying is, considering where Linux is today, Tennenbaum's assertions that Linus "should have paid more attention in class" sounds to me like what Hall would say.
Think someone is still sore about Minix's destiny compared to Linux's?
All it has to do is give me an environment where I'm willing to suspend my disbelief. Nothing will come close to Star Wars. Nothing.
That's really all you needed to say. Freaking fanboy. You're the reason Lucas can keep shoveling out shit and laughing all the way to the bank.
Yeah, yeah, troll, whatever. I needed to say it.
Not everything belongs on the web. Email is one of those things.
Mr.Quayle? Is that you?
You're both right.
Mom and Pop stores serve a niche. And, whether you realize it or not, you are part of a niche.
I realized that when I saw your last paragraph, and noticed it didn't sound appealing at all to me, or most of my acquaintances.
Most people don't care enough about music to take the time to chat about it at a store. So, you're the niche, and the mom and pop store caters to you.
QED
There it is. The old "you are not with me, so you are against me" fanatical mindset that is impossible to reason with.
I hate what some jews are doing to the palestinians, and I hate what some palestinian do to the jews. It's all stupid.
Pro-Arab coverage in the US? You gotta be kidding me. I mean, really.
And, oh yeah, mass killing of palestinians is fictional all right. And that's only yesterday, mind you.
That's how I interpreted it. Seeing the general tone of his responses, Alaa came through as affable, intelligent and nice. When confronted with a silly question, he expresses mild outrage in a "you dumbass" friendly kinda way, and takes pains to explain the meaning of his egyptian expression. So, I took it as a friendly jab.
Silly question? Let's consider it. The question was, why are there no women in your event? Answer, yes there were, and there are 36 pictures in the site showing women. So, the asker obviously didn't VTFS (Visit... Site). I think Alaa's mock outrage was more that justified.
So, he treated us as friends. We're all geeks here. What else did you expect?
Imagine how hard oriental kids have it. I mean, they all now martial arts, don't they?
Back in 89, I was very active in the BITNET Relay. A lot of Americans (and a few Europeans), after being told I was in Mexico, started to ask about my horse, and assumed I was in some kind of backwater hacienda.
I think the funniest was an American girl, asking "Do you have computers in Mexico?".
I'm sure you don't hate Jews. But do you realize that the logical result of disbanding the state of Israel would be a displacement and perhaps mass-killing of so many of those Jews whom you do not hate?
Yep. And that would be SO much worst than the displacement and mass-killing of so many of those Palestinians who used to live there.
It's perfectly possible to be against those policies without hating jews, you know.
They could become buddhists. Only religion I know that never killed or tried to convert anyone.
Just for that, I'd consider it. If I needed a religion, that is.
Sure they will. Just ask Junis
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