All I'm saying is that getting this list is less efficient for telemarketers than using their current strategy. Therefore, it is not logical to assume they would do it. Back to the analogy. You are the Windows salesman, and you have the LUG directory. You also have the white pages. Which would you use?
They already have your number. This is not like email harvesting. And they'd have to be particularly dense to use that strategy. "Let's see, here is a list of people who have specifically and in no uncertain terms stated that they do not like to be called by telemarketers. Let me call them and try to sell them something". Really, like selling Windows licenses at a Linuxfest. Good luck.
However, let's not forget that is a list of numbers whose owners have expressed a desire not to receive calls. It would be somewhat stupid for a telemarketer to use it as a base list of call numbers. Something like taking your local LUG's directory as a base to visit offering Windows licenses.
Disregarg that. It's obvious Slashdot has been hacked, and the story is bogus. How do I know? Read it. Proper grammar, good ortography, even a well-place apostrophe after the word "users". There's no way in hell Taco wrote this.
Example, please. Before calling anyone stupid, make sure you have facts to back up your theory. As far as you are concerned, I guess, I could patent a "substance that finds and destroys all instances of HIV while ignoring anything else, using the chemical interactions of aminoacids", and then wait for someone to invent it. Or perhaps you would contend that Jules Verne did, in, fact, deserve a patent on the submarine, altough he was never even close to building one. You cannot build it, you didn't invent it. Period. Now, if you would provide one, just one example of an invention that was atributable to someone who didn't build a prototype, I might reconsider. Otherwise, I believe the "stupid" tag goes next to your "flamer" one.
If I recall correctly, it was announced a couple of weeks ago. And yet, several posters seem way too keen to include it in this list. Why? Genuinely curious.
Yes, but in your example, you did invent a new flavor. These guys don't even go into the kitchen, they would have files a patent for "a new and tasty flavor", and then sued YOUR ass when you did invent it.
Don't require mass production. But do require a working prototype. Anyone who can't come up with one, probably doesn't know that much about the matter, anyway. For example, if you claim you need a ciclotron to build your prototype but don't have access to one, chances are you don't really know enough about particle physics to invent something relevant.
There are so many concerns about digitizing documents and what format to choose because readers may not be available even five years after the project, let alone 400. Meanwhile, thanks to the ability to handwrite, we have the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hammurabi's Laws, the Rosetta Stone.
Bad examples. Yes, we have a lot of works from ancient times, which were not easy at all to read precisely because no provisions were made to preserve the ability to read them. Yes, there are a lot of Egyptian hyeroglyphics, but translating them was a cryptographic endeavor and no one is really sure, even today, that we are reading them correctly. So, is your argument that writing books in cursive will ensure they will be preserved? I'll take a printed PDF, thank you.
And as the CNN version of this story mentions, which is more significant to you? The handwritten letter that you received from your relative just he or she died, or that quick email saying "Call me" you got and deleted?
Come on. Which is more significant to you? The long, caring email your mother sent you just minutes before dying of a sudden heart attack, or the handwritten note your grandmother left in the fridge reminding you to buy eggs? Loading an argument with emotional stuff is not conductive to a good discusion.
It's Monday, dude. You gotta watch what you say on Mondays;) Actually, sorry, I didn't mean to snap at you. It's just that I read your post after too many "this guy's a wimp, he should throw away his life and become a martir so I can keep swapping music freely" nonsense... again, sorry.:)
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In my 'house,'
Is that where you 'live'?
Does she keep her German Smoking Men in the bed?
That might explain everything...
Dude, there's a recesion in the tech business. Do you have any idea how much the average slashdotter's time is worth right now?
The astronaut dies.
Not to the american indigenous population...
After all, everyone knows you guys make the best TV shows.
Was that irony or sarcasm? I'm confused now...
Irony would be related to semantics, not grammar. :S
Does that make your whole rant ironic? I can't really tell anymore...
"[Consumers] may well be willing to pay for their entertainment -- if the quality is guaranteed and the price is fair."
Still no cure for cancer.
His best thought: "It is becoming unprecedentedly difficult for anyone, anyone at all, to keep a secret."
:)
Check it out--it's worth creating the bogus ID for.
The irony is just delicious...
All I'm saying is that getting this list is less efficient for telemarketers than using their current strategy. Therefore, it is not logical to assume they would do it.
Back to the analogy. You are the Windows salesman, and you have the LUG directory. You also have the white pages. Which would you use?
They already have your number. This is not like email harvesting.
And they'd have to be particularly dense to use that strategy. "Let's see, here is a list of people who have specifically and in no uncertain terms stated that they do not like to be called by telemarketers. Let me call them and try to sell them something".
Really, like selling Windows licenses at a Linuxfest. Good luck.
However, let's not forget that is a list of numbers whose owners have expressed a desire not to receive calls. It would be somewhat stupid for a telemarketer to use it as a base list of call numbers. Something like taking your local LUG's directory as a base to visit offering Windows licenses.
OK. You got me. I'm Taco ;)
He's in Afghanistan, trying to post stories from a C64.
Disregarg that. It's obvious Slashdot has been hacked, and the story is bogus.
How do I know? Read it. Proper grammar, good ortography, even a well-place apostrophe after the word "users". There's no way in hell Taco wrote this.
Nine smells like shit. That is because, you know, seven eight him.
*Ducks and runs for cover*
You mean the US, right?
Example, please.
Before calling anyone stupid, make sure you have facts to back up your theory.
As far as you are concerned, I guess, I could patent a "substance that finds and destroys all instances of HIV while ignoring anything else, using the chemical interactions of aminoacids", and then wait for someone to invent it. Or perhaps you would contend that Jules Verne did, in, fact, deserve a patent on the submarine, altough he was never even close to building one.
You cannot build it, you didn't invent it. Period.
Now, if you would provide one, just one example of an invention that was atributable to someone who didn't build a prototype, I might reconsider. Otherwise, I believe the "stupid" tag goes next to your "flamer" one.
If I recall correctly, it was announced a couple of weeks ago. And yet, several posters seem way too keen to include it in this list. Why?
Genuinely curious.
Yes, but in your example, you did invent a new flavor.
These guys don't even go into the kitchen, they would have files a patent for "a new and tasty flavor", and then sued YOUR ass when you did invent it.
Don't require mass production. But do require a working prototype.
Anyone who can't come up with one, probably doesn't know that much about the matter, anyway. For example, if you claim you need a ciclotron to build your prototype but don't have access to one, chances are you don't really know enough about particle physics to invent something relevant.
Yes, it does. Because when it comes to airplanes, that compiles as "better safe than dead".
There are so many concerns about digitizing documents and what format to choose because readers may not be available even five years after the project, let alone 400.
Meanwhile, thanks to the ability to handwrite, we have the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hammurabi's Laws, the Rosetta Stone.
Bad examples. Yes, we have a lot of works from ancient times, which were not easy at all to read precisely because no provisions were made to preserve the ability to read them. Yes, there are a lot of Egyptian hyeroglyphics, but translating them was a cryptographic endeavor and no one is really sure, even today, that we are reading them correctly.
So, is your argument that writing books in cursive will ensure they will be preserved? I'll take a printed PDF, thank you.
And as the CNN version of this story mentions, which is more significant to you? The handwritten letter that you received from your relative just he or she died, or that quick email saying "Call me" you got and deleted?
Come on. Which is more significant to you? The long, caring email your mother sent you just minutes before dying of a sudden heart attack, or the handwritten note your grandmother left in the fridge reminding you to buy eggs?
Loading an argument with emotional stuff is not conductive to a good discusion.
Source, please.
Seriously, "scientist have demonstrated" doesn't cut the mustard, I'm afraid...
It's Monday, dude. You gotta watch what you say on Mondays ;) :)
Actually, sorry, I didn't mean to snap at you. It's just that I read your post after too many "this guy's a wimp, he should throw away his life and become a martir so I can keep swapping music freely" nonsense... again, sorry.