I'll give the crays and enigma machines as a concession. Other than that, what would computer history be made of? I've got a 486SX somewhere that I call Nessie (I figured it was ancient and half the people I talk to don't believe it could actually exist). Would that be history?
Parallel ports, 300 baud modems, an "Internet In A Box" package with Mosaic, a directory of BBS phone numbers, a "pre-tables" website. Does that count as history too?
"you've had your desktop for over a week? throw that junk away, man, it's an antique!"
The whole point is so that Joe User can device a workaround until a fix happens.
If someone knew that my systems had the potential of being screwed over, I'd want to know so that I can do something about it...or at least watch out for it instead of being blindsided while waiting for a patch to something I didn't even know I had a problem with.
Also, in some cases, alerting the vendor does nothing. They figure they could take their sweet time creating patches. Of course when the vulnerabilities are fully disclosed, there's extra pressure to come up with a solution.
1) vulns that can be exploited remotely 2) vulns that get you 0wn3d 3) vulns that get you DoS'ed 4) minor annoyances
Sure, a bug is a bug...but severity has to count. I doub't you'd disagree that a bug in XMMS's ability to play.ogg files shouldn't count the same as a bug that enables remote control of a SQL Server...or a Media Player buffer overrun that can allow code execution.
71 REM Program Edited on 7/16/03 72 REM Looked a bit like BASIC but if it doesn't compile 73 REM Then whoops. 75 if $vendor==$microsoft then GOSUB 100
100 REM Rip Vendor A New Hole...Implementation Pending 110 Print "Send Vulns to bugtraq with proof of concept code" 120 Print "Send MS a link to bugtraq article" 130 RETURN
I see this as a cross between trustworthy computing and homeland security. Now that the deal has been set, I figure there's not much else to be said there.
We now need on ensure that our homeland is trustworthy. Whether that means full disclosure and a decrease in FUD, I don't know. (political implications intended)
As for operating systems and security vulnerabilities, holding back information regarding possible security threats until they're fixed (knowingly exposing systems in the meantime) DEFINITELY isn't trustworthy.
In a world where the mighty browsers sleep...this tranquil city is about to experience an awakening.
[show pic of giant Mozilla eye]
"Oh no, Mozilla has gotten loose, it will run amok in the city!" [Mozilla roars and tramples over a Time-Warner-AOL building]
The Government had one chance to stop it, but it was too late.
[Control-center with lots of flashing lights and buttons]
"Damn it, get Gates on the phone. Tell him we need a supply of BSODS to help freeze this monster. And we'll need detonators -- a thousand Internet Exploders should do the trick"
This well-kept secret has been revealed to the masses.
[CNN interview soundbytes] Stallman: "It cannot survive without the GPL!!!"
ESR: "I said this from the beginning...with many eyes, all bugs can see better. No wait, that's not how it goes."
Tux's agent: "My client refuses to do an interview unless there's some serious herring involved."
They stopped innovating. They denied it existed. They were foolish. The revolution is now!
[Mozilla stomps on Microsoft sign] "Mozilla...IEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! !!!!!"
Yup, here we have quite a few machines -- with NT and Office 2000 courtesy of "The Foundation." The place offers free basic computer literacy classes and all of the promo flyers have "made possible by a grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation"
I suppose it's nice when the library couldn't have sprung for neither hardware nor software on their own...but the machines are aging and NT support is going bye-bye. Will there be an eventual "forced" upgrade to XP? On these machines? Ha!
Yes, I see it as a way to introduce MS Software to those who don't yet have a computer. For people who don't know any better, that's all there is. I've had people ask where they can get MS Word or Excel...and they're somewhat shocked by the pricetag. (of course I let them know about OSS alternatives like every good geek)
I'm sure it does help promote computer literacy in some ways. With MS Office being the "standard" in the workplace, it's decent training. In the long run, however, there's no doubt about it -- the whole donation bit has been rigged to act like a giant MS commercial. A few additions to the scripted lesson plan should add a bit more truth to their advertising.:)
After all the "don't eat the MS Lunch" posts, I want to add my own personal twist to it. If they GPL the lunch, then any derrivative work done from the lunch should be given back to the community.
In short, this is an example of Microsoft using the Open Source community for testing its iLoo
Sometimes it's not how loud it is...
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Sure, you can torture folks with how loud a piece of music is played. However, as with most things, it's the content that annoys. For me, for example, a barely audible Michael Bolton would be enough to infuriate.
OTOH, there's also music out there that does sound great...but loses its meaning when played too loudly.
Ok, sure, I suppose between nmap, nessus, and a few zero-day exploitz this stuff could generate a bit of a tee-hee among the script kiddies.
Why not raise the stakes a bit...oh, say, by targeting/posting personal info from CA residents where companies would then be required to publicly disclose the breach. A system gets 0wn3d and a company gets a public caning.
Blah blah blah illegal blah against the law blah don't do any of this blah blah.
Slashdot Mirror
C'mon, we all know that the correct way to say this statement is:
"now that's getting borken"
(with mad props and shout outs to the Opera folks)
I knew it, God is a blogger!!!
Wait, cowboyneal uses Movable Type. Hmmmmmm.
I'll give the crays and enigma machines as a concession. Other than that, what would computer history be made of? I've got a 486SX somewhere that I call Nessie (I figured it was ancient and half the people I talk to don't believe it could actually exist). Would that be history?
Parallel ports, 300 baud modems, an "Internet In A Box" package with Mosaic, a directory of BBS phone numbers, a "pre-tables" website. Does that count as history too?
"you've had your desktop for over a week?
throw that junk away, man, it's an antique!"
-- Yankovic (It's All About The Pentiums)
I see you're trying to watch CNN.
Would you like help getting to MSNBC?
Seriously, though, is this where X-Box was supposed to go? Or how does this eventually integrate with the Media PC (I think that's what it's called.)
Hmmm, wonder what kind of privacy anomalies this introduces in the future. Think of all the tv viewing data it could phone home with!
Now it's not cool until it's a one-stop-shop for sharks with frickin' lasers!!!
Alas, we may see Darth Vader controlling farming equipment with his tractor beam.
:)
Man, I can't wait until they use this to make a bigger version of Robot Wars.
Awww crap, you've done it now!
McBride just scanned SCO code and it seems he's found those three lines in their code. Litigation could follow.
(just getting my SCO fix for the morning)
The whole point is so that Joe User can device a workaround until a fix happens.
If someone knew that my systems had the potential of being screwed over, I'd want to know so that I can do something about it...or at least watch out for it instead of being blindsided while waiting for a patch to something I didn't even know I had a problem with.
Also, in some cases, alerting the vendor does nothing. They figure they could take their sweet time creating patches. Of course when the vulnerabilities are fully disclosed, there's extra pressure to come up with a solution.
I guess a fair breakdown would be:
.ogg files shouldn't count the same as a bug that enables remote control of a SQL Server...or a Media Player buffer overrun that can allow code execution.
1) vulns that can be exploited remotely
2) vulns that get you 0wn3d
3) vulns that get you DoS'ed
4) minor annoyances
Sure, a bug is a bug...but severity has to count. I doub't you'd disagree that a bug in XMMS's ability to play
71 REM Program Edited on 7/16/03
72 REM Looked a bit like BASIC but if it doesn't compile
73 REM Then whoops.
75 if $vendor==$microsoft then GOSUB 100
100 REM Rip Vendor A New Hole...Implementation Pending
110 Print "Send Vulns to bugtraq with proof of concept code"
120 Print "Send MS a link to bugtraq article"
130 RETURN
I see this as a cross between trustworthy computing and homeland security. Now that the deal has been set, I figure there's not much else to be said there.
We now need on ensure that our homeland is trustworthy. Whether that means full disclosure and a decrease in FUD, I don't know. (political implications intended)
As for operating systems and security vulnerabilities, holding back information regarding possible security threats until they're fixed (knowingly exposing systems in the meantime) DEFINITELY isn't trustworthy.
Will it be able to open quark and/or MS Publisher files for compatibility?
Actually, is there an existing (native) open-source linux program that can open MS Pub files?
In a world where the mighty browsers sleep...this tranquil city is about to experience an awakening.
! !!!!!"
[show pic of giant Mozilla eye]
"Oh no, Mozilla has gotten loose, it will run amok in the city!" [Mozilla roars and tramples over a Time-Warner-AOL building]
The Government had one chance to stop it, but it was too late.
[Control-center with lots of flashing lights and buttons]
"Damn it, get Gates on the phone. Tell him we need a supply of BSODS to help freeze this monster. And we'll need detonators -- a thousand Internet Exploders should do the trick"
This well-kept secret has been revealed to the masses.
[CNN interview soundbytes]
Stallman: "It cannot survive without the GPL!!!"
ESR: "I said this from the beginning...with many eyes, all bugs can see better. No wait, that's not how it goes."
Tux's agent: "My client refuses to do an interview unless there's some serious herring involved."
They stopped innovating. They denied it existed. They were foolish. The revolution is now!
[Mozilla stomps on Microsoft sign]
"Mozilla...IEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
(Cue Kashmir riff...no puffy this time...please)
Hey, you too?
:)
Yup, here we have quite a few machines -- with NT and Office 2000 courtesy of "The Foundation." The place offers free basic computer literacy classes and all of the promo flyers have "made possible by a grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation"
I suppose it's nice when the library couldn't have sprung for neither hardware nor software on their own...but the machines are aging and NT support is going bye-bye. Will there be an eventual "forced" upgrade to XP? On these machines? Ha!
Yes, I see it as a way to introduce MS Software to those who don't yet have a computer. For people who don't know any better, that's all there is. I've had people ask where they can get MS Word or Excel...and they're somewhat shocked by the pricetag. (of course I let them know about OSS alternatives like every good geek)
I'm sure it does help promote computer literacy in some ways. With MS Office being the "standard" in the workplace, it's decent training. In the long run, however, there's no doubt about it -- the whole donation bit has been rigged to act like a giant MS commercial. A few additions to the scripted lesson plan should add a bit more truth to their advertising.
Jah, mon! We got the bobsled team feelin' irie after jammin' on tuxracer a few times.
Besides, mon, lemme tell you -- after they said that Linux had superior rastability, we were sold.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." (Redemption Song)
or better yet, I don't own a cellphone you insensitive clod!
No, wait...this isn't the survey area! I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque
Someone explain that to Macromedia and the Allaire brothers.
CFTRY not. Do or do not. There is no CFTRY
Maybe we'll be in track to make hoverboards after all. Here I was all disappointed because I was promised flying cars by the year 2000.
Now, can someone help Dr. Brown with that Flux Capacitor project already? Thanks.
After all the "don't eat the MS Lunch" posts, I want to add my own personal twist to it. If they GPL the lunch, then any derrivative work done from the lunch should be given back to the community.
In short, this is an example of Microsoft using the Open Source community for testing its iLoo
Sure, you can torture folks with how loud a piece of music is played. However, as with most things, it's the content that annoys. For me, for example, a barely audible Michael Bolton would be enough to infuriate.
OTOH, there's also music out there that does sound great...but loses its meaning when played too loudly.
Ok, sure, I suppose between nmap, nessus, and a few zero-day exploitz this stuff could generate a bit of a tee-hee among the script kiddies.
Why not raise the stakes a bit...oh, say, by targeting/posting personal info from CA residents where companies would then be required to publicly disclose the breach. A system gets 0wn3d and a company gets a public caning.
Blah blah blah illegal blah against the law blah don't do any of this blah blah.
Anyone else all for sending all these rich people into space (preferrably never to return)?
Wait, let's make them pay for R&D on something to shoot them with when they're up there before we launch any of 'em.
1st Guy: "Aye matey?"
3rd Guy: "Come on! Follow me!"
2nd/4th Guy: "We're ready, master...I'm not ready!"
Vivendi Universal: "Help Me!"
4th Guy: "Time to Die!!!"
Vivendi Universal: "uh...oops! Forgive me!"
All 4 Guys: "Die!"
These guys are getting too good at imitating the competition!
Relax, it was supposed to be funny.
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