Hehe... I know this probably isn't the right forum to suggest this BUT... if you want to avoid data-mining, just use flash!!!!! Apparently it's the most search unfriendly format there is;-p
What did they revolt against? Parents who took the time to give them the option of good food? Maybe your cousins parents tied to 'enforce' something which is of course stupid.
The parents probably ate crap while telling the kids they had to eat granola... which never works. You have to eat the food too, and enjoy it and make it seem effortless like it's 'just the way things are done' and when they go over to other kids houses and find junk and messy kitchens and fridges full of crap, they'll be slightly embarrassed a little uncomfortable and will make a note to invite their friends over to YOUR house next time, which if you're a good parent is exactly what you want to happen.
Oh AND order Pizza and Chinese takeout every once in a while... and take your kids to GOOD restaurants when they're old enough to appreciate it.
Even in High School. If you're a parent and you eat junk or have junk in your home, ie: buy it for your kids or have it around for 'snacking' then you're responsible for your child's bad eating habits. You want your kids to eat right? Keep good healthy food in your home...
Fresh vegetables and fruit.... once a week buy fresh stuff and put it out where it can be seen... fruits in a bowl and vegetables on display, both in fridge and on counter in a nice container or basket. Pre-make good salads... don't keep them in the pre-mixed bag you buy them in.. put them in a nice salad bowl that has a freshness feature (clay to keep moist but also has holes in bottom and sides to let extra moisture out... and add in some extras, carrot slivers, almonds, cranberries, etc. make them look tasty... if you eat meat add some hard-boiled egg white slices and turkey chunks
Make good meals and stick them in the fridge as instant left-overs. These will be cheaper and better than a frozen dinner (less preservatives, etc.) and your teen will actually eat them, cause they can grab them late at night or whenever and heat them up on their own schedule, instead of grabbing a bag of chips or something.
Easy pre-made meals: Lasagna or any Pasta dish, Stir-Fry, Burritos, Taco ingredients, Pre-made sandwiches and wraps, Roasts that can be sliced into cold-cuts (teen-age boys love cutting stuff and they'll just slice off a hunk and grab some cheese and bread), hard-boiled eggs (peeled or not), sliced up veggies (carrot sticks, cucumbers, brockley, etc.) with a good dip (humus or veggie/cream cheese is great).
This might not sound like health-food but compared to the crap they'd stuff their faces with (think any fast-food or junk from convenience store) it's completely healthy and they'll eat it if it's made convenient for them.
In the end you'll find that they will end up looking for similar foods when they are out of the house too. They might even end up taking their lunches to school because the food that's available at home is so much better than the crap at school... but let them keep their 'lunch money' as a reward or else they'll stop taking their lunch just to get the money so they can spend it on other things... who cares what,
Point is they'll be healthier and it will only take a few hours a week on your part to make the food available in a appetizing form that's also convenient.
BTW same thing applies to drinks... get rid of the canned sodas.. just put some pitchers of old-fahioned lemonade (cut the sugar down) and Iced tea and juice and plenty of water bottles.
They'll still have some junk in their diet when out with friends but they won't be creating a habit while at home and the reality is that we all really spend the longest part of our 24 hour day at home... so make it a healthy one and you'll have healthy kids.
For a more gentle way to motivate your laptop, get one with an ambient lighrt sensor in it, like the MBP... then you can simply wave a finger over the sensor using morse code like commands instead of smacking it....
Here's an example where the guy turns on and off a 'shelf' terminal app...
Microsoft should have released a Migration tool for anyone who wanted to "Go Legit" and should have used a big ad campaign to let everyone know about it....
This tool should be available for $50 or less... should be a bootable disk with a new Genuine Serial Number on it and should simply be able to reset the computer to using that new serial.... without a backup, without a reformat, etc. etc.
They would have seen a huge demand for this and would have made a ton of money....
How about putting the driver on the board with a ROM chip , use hardware encryption or some other hardware DRM to protect it, which could be flashed to update it, etc. this happens on occasion for hardware devices.... then expose the driver through a standard API that anyone could implement, whether commercial or OSS... don't need to disclose how it works... just how to trigger it.
Ya know I was thinking the same thing about TV... why even broadcast it when there are like books and magazines that serve the same purpose? Let's not stop there though... get rid of video games too, I mean can't we all just play boardgames again...or paper/pencil and dice games???? and forget cars and bikes and other forms of transportation... we can all just walk. Also, who needs all this fancy technology and education... the species will continue without it...
Down with progress and innovation... long live the lowest common denominator!!!!!
Ha.. that show was kind of dumb/cool/lame/awesome... for a 3d cartoon that is.... but hey they've got it and it's free... if you are on windows with IE that is...
I want to put in keywords an give them relative importance to each other and then I want to see filtered results instantly..... So let me put in three keywords, hit submit.. get results... okay 65,056 results... now let me make keyword number 2 3 times more important than the rest... preferably using a slider widget with 100 tick marks on it and a dragging marker to indicate the number... and... the results refactor before my eyes without a refresh so i can see how this has impacted the results list...
For instance, I often look for code examples... now I usually want them in a specific language... lets say ruby which should narrow down my results to just pages that talk about ruby, but my second keyword is xml... and it's much more important to me because I'm looking for a xml processing function, not just a mention that xml is handled by ruby and finally I'm looking for examples but it's not as important as xml to my search because It may filter it too much in favor of just tutorials when an api reference may have what I'm lookig for.
So i get a results list and voila... yep lots of tutorials on ruby xml processing... but lots of books in that list... so I give xml a weight of 30 to see if it brings up a more rigorous set of results with more about xml and less about examples, but still on the topic of ruby... well I would do this if it existed.
Just for reference I am a professional web developer, producer and interactive director actually.
I completely understand and agree with what you have said. I am of the set of professionals who use the most appropriate methodology for the task at hand. I'll use PERL to do large regular expression string manipulations if it's a requirement but I won't insist upon it to do simple form validation routines where a PHP library on the server and javascript client side will do the job 100%. I'll require that my html and css coders avoid classes if possible, sticking to id's and tags and helping them think through organizing their content semantically so that when we have to distribute the work load everyone can get up to speed on the stylesheets and layouts quickly. I protoype with wireframes and content for the clients before any design has even been started, asking questions about the relationships between the content areas, navigation, etc. to help determine functional requirements well in advance of final design approval... etc. etc.
In the end however, politics and egos will get in the way of a perfectly thought out IA and UI concept which also has a rocking design, engaging user interaction features, etc. because the head of the department at the client whose budget is paying for the project (I'm talking to you Toyota Parts and Service, and Panasonic I haven't forgotten you either...) has a very specific agenda about their marketing strategy and the fact that they've already invested too much in some poorly thought out strategy and simply MUST include a huge graphic for some dumb concert series in a key market region that will be over two weeks after the site launch and won't be replace by anything nearly as important after... and they won't consider a separate micro-site just for that event... gah... short-sighted to say the least.
Anyways... it's not all fun and games but there are some parts where inspiration meets elegance and all is good in the world... and it just really chaps my hide when people who get to work a whole month on getting one website to be perfect feel like they can make other people feel bad about doing their job.
I'd love to talk to the clients about how they should completely rethink how design works... unfortunately all of them really only have experience with print, tv and or radio creative, all of which rely upon constrained and 'final' formats.
I mean how do you tell a guy who's been looking at TV storyboards for the last 20 years and magazine ad layouts... wait, this design you're looking at.. well it could look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT if the user drags open the browser window... that messaging you care so much about.. yes the one you spent $80,000 of market research on and $10,000 of copy writing budget to come up with not to mention legal, focus groups, etc.... well......it might just be a tiny piece of text over there in the right hand corner of the page when the user is viewing it on a wide screen (yes, just like the one you have on your laptop) or we could make it so it always looks like someone is yelling it, especially on over 50% of users montors... or we could use the niced fixed design here which has some drawbacks but will always present your message in this context and at this level of visual importance.
I've read some people statements that the above situation calls for a PDF.... ha... nobody likes opening PDFs unless it's something they want to save to read later or to print... PDFs are not a part of the web, they are like a take away brochure which usually goes directly into the trash as soon as you walk away./rant over/
You and all your friends in the "content must be free to be viewed however a user wants" camp are not and never will be Professional Web developers. You're academics. Get used to it. The web is not about free communication.... it's about marketing, advertising, commerce, etc The internet would be email and crappy pages of text that look like undergraduate thesis papers otherwise... get used to it.
When a company pays $250,000 for a website they want it to look the way they want it to look... end of story. If OTOH they required the website to look great for everyone in every situation, then they would specify that and a much less demanding design would be approved, one which would be liquid or 'elastic' or browser/resolution/os agnostic.. so get over yourselves, cause not all websites are meant to work at a lowest common denominator level but often they do need to work with a certain minimum browser spec list, which is where the issues with browser deficiencies come into play... and where the difference is between a professional who gets paid to make things work within the requirements WHILE meeting project objectives and an Academic who insists on web development dogma DESPITE it's inabiiity to meet those same objectives.
This is my favorite thing about the English language... some other languages can't be coaxed into meaning many completely different things by context... they are what they are and you can count on a usage being unique and self-descriptive... luckily we have a system that allows for creative usage which in turn fosters a creative mindset which is what keeps us at the top of the economical food-chain.... see there, see how I did that? I mixed terms up to create a metaphor of sorts, I mean all you have to do is imagine the world's varied populations as a bunch of hungry beasts eating each other up according to their ability and/or preference to dominate and you get a decent idea of how creativity impacts our world.;-p
Our biggest problem is that the tech we have was developed for non-organic processes.... ie linear thought or progressive or procedural.... what is needed is interrupting thought with fuzzy statistical decision making which then leads to a solution set of options with a feedback loop to cross-compare the initial purpose with the available solutions to make a final absolute choice.
The interrupting part is the most complicated aspect. It requires having all possible options available at all times and ready to coordinate what needs to happen in order to limit destruction of just prior decisions or at least to mitigate the consequences to an acceptable level... ie: if I choose to go left right now, how will that impact the results of my decision to go straight 5 minutes ago (will it cause me to tip over? go over a cliff? run into a wall?), rather than simply taking new input into the equation and re-processing everything again to be ready for the next decision... NOW let's do that for thousands of other options (like drop to a squat and sing a lullaby, or spit a loogie into the wind - which I might do but only after deciding to turn left immediately after).
We humans call this 'anticipation' and 'hindsight' respectively, though on second thought;-p those may not be the most accurate terms.
"MySpace is simply doing this to gain valuable insight into the "popular" things teenagers think about. To do so is to "know your market," which in the ends gains them dollars. They don't give a damn about competing with *the internet* - this is simply free focus group fodder. If they even get a few million users to post a few blog posts with useful marketing information, they'll be happy."
It's okay.... breathe, breathe.... yes the generation after you will adopt technologies that you found to be novel or at least somewhat new, at an alarming rate. At least there was no mention of MySpace in the article.
Google themselves used to advertise (maybe they still do) job listings for people to write "Provocative Text for Advertising Placement and Marketing". It looks like our friends at OSTG may have a similar position.... whose sole job is to rewrite summaries to include SEO links to paying customers??? I'm sure I've seen ads for that freelancer site on here before and wouldn't be surprise to see the others as advertisers... though because they don't have a familiar brand... going with an inline text link is probably a great strategy.
Wish I had this service back in High School... forget magazine and newspaper clippings for my Political Science reports.. here comes full on Video presentations via iMovie/iDVD damn that would have been fun/impressive.
Which means that this may make it into OS X 10.5;-p Hurray! Which potentially means that we Mac users 'could' run Windows dual boot AND use Parallels/VMWare with the same install of Windows AFAIK.... ???
Huh? Never thought to simply put in an extra drive? You can dual boot off two separate hard drives.... Just put your fancy new NTFS reading Linux drive as master.... and use a standard Linux dual boot app to pick windows when you want it.
Hello, I am a representative from Yahoo! Inc. - you have utilized our Trademarked name without prior consent, As damages we seek to acquire your recent windfall of RAM, along with that of any persons who have participated in this breach of our intellectual property rights. Thank you and good day.
There are many actions that a viewer can take besides purchasing or giving away personal info.
A survey is easy. Just don't collect emails and anyone who likes the site will take it....
Becoming a member is harder but if it's free, not so bad... "Sign up Now, help support this site simply be becoming a part of it"
Newsletter sign ups are much more difficult... you're asking people to let you into their home.
Clicking on an additional link or button would be okay and if it was a specific button that couldn't be detected by a robot but could be read by a human, certainly harder to quantify as a favorable response....
Get creative about forms or offers... maybe you could get people to 'buy' something... how about a free downloadable product? A brochure or photo or desktop picture....
Slashdot Mirror
Hehe... I know this probably isn't the right forum to suggest this BUT... if you want to avoid data-mining, just use flash!!!!! Apparently it's the most search unfriendly format there is ;-p
What did they revolt against? Parents who took the time to give them the option of good food? Maybe your cousins parents tied to 'enforce' something which is of course stupid.
The parents probably ate crap while telling the kids they had to eat granola... which never works. You have to eat the food too, and enjoy it and make it seem effortless like it's 'just the way things are done' and when they go over to other kids houses and find junk and messy kitchens and fridges full of crap, they'll be slightly embarrassed a little uncomfortable and will make a note to invite their friends over to YOUR house next time, which if you're a good parent is exactly what you want to happen.
Oh AND order Pizza and Chinese takeout every once in a while... and take your kids to GOOD restaurants when they're old enough to appreciate it.
Even in High School. If you're a parent and you eat junk or have junk in your home, ie: buy it for your kids or have it around for 'snacking' then you're responsible for your child's bad eating habits. You want your kids to eat right? Keep good healthy food in your home...
Fresh vegetables and fruit.... once a week buy fresh stuff and put it out where it can be seen... fruits in a bowl and vegetables on display, both in fridge and on counter in a nice container or basket. Pre-make good salads... don't keep them in the pre-mixed bag you buy them in.. put them in a nice salad bowl that has a freshness feature (clay to keep moist but also has holes in bottom and sides to let extra moisture out... and add in some extras, carrot slivers, almonds, cranberries, etc. make them look tasty... if you eat meat add some hard-boiled egg white slices and turkey chunks
Make good meals and stick them in the fridge as instant left-overs. These will be cheaper and better than a frozen dinner (less preservatives, etc.) and your teen will actually eat them, cause they can grab them late at night or whenever and heat them up on their own schedule, instead of grabbing a bag of chips or something.
Easy pre-made meals: Lasagna or any Pasta dish, Stir-Fry, Burritos, Taco ingredients, Pre-made sandwiches and wraps, Roasts that can be sliced into cold-cuts (teen-age boys love cutting stuff and they'll just slice off a hunk and grab some cheese and bread), hard-boiled eggs (peeled or not), sliced up veggies (carrot sticks, cucumbers, brockley, etc.) with a good dip (humus or veggie/cream cheese is great).
This might not sound like health-food but compared to the crap they'd stuff their faces with (think any fast-food or junk from convenience store) it's completely healthy and they'll eat it if it's made convenient for them.
In the end you'll find that they will end up looking for similar foods when they are out of the house too. They might even end up taking their lunches to school because the food that's available at home is so much better than the crap at school... but let them keep their 'lunch money' as a reward or else they'll stop taking their lunch just to get the money so they can spend it on other things... who cares what,
Point is they'll be healthier and it will only take a few hours a week on your part to make the food available in a appetizing form that's also convenient.
BTW same thing applies to drinks... get rid of the canned sodas.. just put some pitchers of old-fahioned lemonade (cut the sugar down) and Iced tea and juice and plenty of water bottles.
They'll still have some junk in their diet when out with friends but they won't be creating a habit while at home and the reality is that we all really spend the longest part of our 24 hour day at home... so make it a healthy one and you'll have healthy kids.
For a more gentle way to motivate your laptop, get one with an ambient lighrt sensor in it, like the MBP... then you can simply wave a finger over the sensor using morse code like commands instead of smacking it....
Here's an example where the guy turns on and off a 'shelf' terminal app...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZDN7zeMWI&c
Microsoft should have released a Migration tool for anyone who wanted to "Go Legit" and should have used a big ad campaign to let everyone know about it....
This tool should be available for $50 or less... should be a bootable disk with a new Genuine Serial Number on it and should simply be able to reset the computer to using that new serial.... without a backup, without a reformat, etc. etc.
They would have seen a huge demand for this and would have made a ton of money....
Idiots.
How about putting the driver on the board with a ROM chip , use hardware encryption or some other hardware DRM to protect it, which could be flashed to update it, etc. this happens on occasion for hardware devices.... then expose the driver through a standard API that anyone could implement, whether commercial or OSS... don't need to disclose how it works... just how to trigger it.
Hey you insensitive clod.... maybe his Mom IS his Aunt... I mean he could be from Alabama or something...
Ya know I was thinking the same thing about TV... why even broadcast it when there are like books and magazines that serve the same purpose? Let's not stop there though... get rid of video games too, I mean can't we all just play boardgames again...or paper/pencil and dice games???? and forget cars and bikes and other forms of transportation... we can all just walk. Also, who needs all this fancy technology and education... the species will continue without it...
Down with progress and innovation... long live the lowest common denominator!!!!!
Actually that's the exact behavior which *proves* their innocence and that you have lost yours... ie: when did nakedness become something taboo?
hmmm personally I was thinking maybe he meant Thundercats! Liono was great of course and important but I'm much more intrigued by Cheetara!
Ha.. that show was kind of dumb/cool/lame/awesome... for a 3d cartoon that is.... but hey they've got it and it's free... if you are on windows with IE that is...
I want to put in keywords an give them relative importance to each other and then I want to see filtered results instantly..... So let me put in three keywords, hit submit.. get results... okay 65,056 results... now let me make keyword number 2 3 times more important than the rest... preferably using a slider widget with 100 tick marks on it and a dragging marker to indicate the number... and... the results refactor before my eyes without a refresh so i can see how this has impacted the results list...
For instance, I often look for code examples... now I usually want them in a specific language... lets say ruby which should narrow down my results to just pages that talk about ruby, but my second keyword is xml... and it's much more important to me because I'm looking for a xml processing function, not just a mention that xml is handled by ruby and finally I'm looking for examples but it's not as important as xml to my search because It may filter it too much in favor of just tutorials when an api reference may have what I'm lookig for.
So i get a results list and voila... yep lots of tutorials on ruby xml processing... but lots of books in that list... so I give xml a weight of 30 to see if it brings up a more rigorous set of results with more about xml and less about examples, but still on the topic of ruby... well I would do this if it existed.
Okay, ready set CODE!
Just for reference I am a professional web developer, producer and interactive director actually.
...it might just be a tiny piece of text over there in the right hand corner of the page when the user is viewing it on a wide screen (yes, just like the one you have on your laptop) or we could make it so it always looks like someone is yelling it, especially on over 50% of users montors... or we could use the niced fixed design here which has some drawbacks but will always present your message in this context and at this level of visual importance.
/rant over/
I completely understand and agree with what you have said. I am of the set of professionals who use the most appropriate methodology for the task at hand. I'll use PERL to do large regular expression string manipulations if it's a requirement but I won't insist upon it to do simple form validation routines where a PHP library on the server and javascript client side will do the job 100%. I'll require that my html and css coders avoid classes if possible, sticking to id's and tags and helping them think through organizing their content semantically so that when we have to distribute the work load everyone can get up to speed on the stylesheets and layouts quickly. I protoype with wireframes and content for the clients before any design has even been started, asking questions about the relationships between the content areas, navigation, etc. to help determine functional requirements well in advance of final design approval... etc. etc.
In the end however, politics and egos will get in the way of a perfectly thought out IA and UI concept which also has a rocking design, engaging user interaction features, etc. because the head of the department at the client whose budget is paying for the project (I'm talking to you Toyota Parts and Service, and Panasonic I haven't forgotten you either...) has a very specific agenda about their marketing strategy and the fact that they've already invested too much in some poorly thought out strategy and simply MUST include a huge graphic for some dumb concert series in a key market region that will be over two weeks after the site launch and won't be replace by anything nearly as important after... and they won't consider a separate micro-site just for that event... gah... short-sighted to say the least.
Anyways... it's not all fun and games but there are some parts where inspiration meets elegance and all is good in the world... and it just really chaps my hide when people who get to work a whole month on getting one website to be perfect feel like they can make other people feel bad about doing their job.
I'd love to talk to the clients about how they should completely rethink how design works... unfortunately all of them really only have experience with print, tv and or radio creative, all of which rely upon constrained and 'final' formats.
I mean how do you tell a guy who's been looking at TV storyboards for the last 20 years and magazine ad layouts... wait, this design you're looking at.. well it could look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT if the user drags open the browser window... that messaging you care so much about.. yes the one you spent $80,000 of market research on and $10,000 of copy writing budget to come up with not to mention legal, focus groups, etc.... well...
I've read some people statements that the above situation calls for a PDF.... ha... nobody likes opening PDFs unless it's something they want to save to read later or to print... PDFs are not a part of the web, they are like a take away brochure which usually goes directly into the trash as soon as you walk away.
You and all your friends in the "content must be free to be viewed however a user wants" camp are not and never will be Professional Web developers. You're academics. Get used to it. The web is not about free communication.... it's about marketing, advertising, commerce, etc The internet would be email and crappy pages of text that look like undergraduate thesis papers otherwise... get used to it.
When a company pays $250,000 for a website they want it to look the way they want it to look... end of story. If OTOH they required the website to look great for everyone in every situation, then they would specify that and a much less demanding design would be approved, one which would be liquid or 'elastic' or browser/resolution/os agnostic.. so get over yourselves, cause not all websites are meant to work at a lowest common denominator level but often they do need to work with a certain minimum browser spec list, which is where the issues with browser deficiencies come into play... and where the difference is between a professional who gets paid to make things work within the requirements WHILE meeting project objectives and an Academic who insists on web development dogma DESPITE it's inabiiity to meet those same objectives.
This is my favorite thing about the English language... some other languages can't be coaxed into meaning many completely different things by context... they are what they are and you can count on a usage being unique and self-descriptive... luckily we have a system that allows for creative usage which in turn fosters a creative mindset which is what keeps us at the top of the economical food-chain.... see there, see how I did that? I mixed terms up to create a metaphor of sorts, I mean all you have to do is imagine the world's varied populations as a bunch of hungry beasts eating each other up according to their ability and/or preference to dominate and you get a decent idea of how creativity impacts our world. ;-p
Our biggest problem is that the tech we have was developed for non-organic processes.... ie linear thought or progressive or procedural.... what is needed is interrupting thought with fuzzy statistical decision making which then leads to a solution set of options with a feedback loop to cross-compare the initial purpose with the available solutions to make a final absolute choice.
;-p those may not be the most accurate terms.
The interrupting part is the most complicated aspect. It requires having all possible options available at all times and ready to coordinate what needs to happen in order to limit destruction of just prior decisions or at least to mitigate the consequences to an acceptable level... ie: if I choose to go left right now, how will that impact the results of my decision to go straight 5 minutes ago (will it cause me to tip over? go over a cliff? run into a wall?), rather than simply taking new input into the equation and re-processing everything again to be ready for the next decision... NOW let's do that for thousands of other options (like drop to a squat and sing a lullaby, or spit a loogie into the wind - which I might do but only after deciding to turn left immediately after).
We humans call this 'anticipation' and 'hindsight' respectively, though on second thought
As opposed to MySpace?
"MySpace is simply doing this to gain valuable insight into the "popular" things teenagers think about. To do so is to "know your market," which in the ends gains them dollars. They don't give a damn about competing with *the internet* - this is simply free focus group fodder. If they even get a few million users to post a few blog posts with useful marketing information, they'll be happy."
It's okay.... breathe, breathe.... yes the generation after you will adopt technologies that you found to be novel or at least somewhat new, at an alarming rate. At least there was no mention of MySpace in the article.
Google themselves used to advertise (maybe they still do) job listings for people to write "Provocative Text for Advertising Placement and Marketing". It looks like our friends at OSTG may have a similar position.... whose sole job is to rewrite summaries to include SEO links to paying customers??? I'm sure I've seen ads for that freelancer site on here before and wouldn't be surprise to see the others as advertisers... though because they don't have a familiar brand... going with an inline text link is probably a great strategy.
It's modded "Funny" but maybe just maybe it's really a cry for help...... = yes 2 ellipses...
Wish I had this service back in High School... forget magazine and newspaper clippings for my Political Science reports.. here comes full on Video presentations via iMovie/iDVD damn that would have been fun/impressive.
Which means that this may make it into OS X 10.5 ;-p Hurray! Which potentially means that we Mac users 'could' run Windows dual boot AND use Parallels/VMWare with the same install of Windows AFAIK.... ???
Huh? Never thought to simply put in an extra drive? You can dual boot off two separate hard drives.... Just put your fancy new NTFS reading Linux drive as master.... and use a standard Linux dual boot app to pick windows when you want it.
Hello, I am a representative from Yahoo! Inc. - you have utilized our Trademarked name without prior consent, As damages we seek to acquire your recent windfall of RAM, along with that of any persons who have participated in this breach of our intellectual property rights. Thank you and good day.
There are many actions that a viewer can take besides purchasing or giving away personal info.
A survey is easy. Just don't collect emails and anyone who likes the site will take it....
Becoming a member is harder but if it's free, not so bad... "Sign up Now, help support this site simply be becoming a part of it"
Newsletter sign ups are much more difficult... you're asking people to let you into their home.
Clicking on an additional link or button would be okay and if it was a specific button that couldn't be detected by a robot but could be read by a human, certainly harder to quantify as a favorable response....
Get creative about forms or offers... maybe you could get people to 'buy' something... how about a free downloadable product? A brochure or photo or desktop picture....