Why does it have to be a public corporation? Why not start a non-profit corp with only your friends/acquaintances. Everyone who joins the 'partnership' sells their CDs to it, and in return gets access to all of the CDs that the corp owns. You don't need to go public to try to acquire capital, everyone just contributes assests they already own. Only actual money needed would be for a little bit of computer hardware and some bandwidth.
You set up some kind of server that contains all of the music, and only allows one person to have any particular track "checked out" at a time. (Officially. If you're the type of person who really wanted to 'bypass' the one copy limit, you're not likely to be called on it because it's not a multi-national organization with millions of file-sharers. Just a couple dozen people who all kinda know each other. But 'one copy in use at a time' is the "understanding" everyone has of how it's setup.)
In all honesty, you don't really need THAT many people in your group to cover most of your music needs. In this type of setup, having one million people all contributing the same Britney Spears CD doesn't benefit you in any way, so you might as well not have them. You'd form your group with people who have similar tastes in music (or widely disparate tastes, if you want to broaden your horizons), and when a new CD came out that many people wanted, only 1 person actually has to buy it.
I guess this is kind of the Gnutella version of the article's Napster idea... decentralized, only members join the servers, which are run by the members themselves. Would work out better in my opinion.
Although i do think that as humans we should try to search any money we put into a project like this is as good as gone and in finacial hard times like this we cant afford to throw around much.
'Good as gone'?? The money is going into mainly jobs for people in the US... money that will keep circulating and helping the economy. It's also doing research, which has the potential to materially benefit our society and world as a whole. There is no 'waste' in this scenario.
The only time you can really waste money is by putting it into something that is destroyed. Like say, putting hundreds of Billions of dollars into making bombs... The bombs themselves explode, so you can't salvage anything out of that. And whatever is nearby, is also mostly destroyed, meaning you need to use more money to rebuild it. That's how you throw money away...
I disagree that interest levels should be a determinant of funding levels. One of the things that, IMO, the goverment must do is fund activities that are worthy endeavors regardless of the public interest in them or their potential profitability.
He said it "should match public interest", not profitability. You added the part about profitability yourself. Government funds SHOULD match the public interest. Government (in a capitalist society) should be funding things that the people are interested in and want, but that can't be supplied by the private sector because it is not profitable.
The last thing we want to do is to encourage government to spend money on things that the people do NOT want. That's where you get 'hideous wastes of money' from...
Think about it until it makes sense. In a representative government system, the government should be executing the will of the people. If the government is actively avoiding the activities that it's citizens want, and doing things that they don't want, then it's time to get rid of that government...
(Your example of the prescription drugs for elderly/poor/jobless demonstrates this perfectly. Why would the government provide free medical service to such people? Because a LOT of people are interested in it, and it's not profitable for corporations to do it (so they don't).)
Not sure why someone would write an article about SETI with that many links without puting a link the the actual SETI@Home web site.
Maybe because "Seti@Home" isn't getting the funding. S.E.T.I. is an acronym, and there are hundreds of organizations and thousands of people who are actively pursuing it.
The "Seti Institute" is getting the funding, and it's not going to be used for funding seti@home projects. That's why there was no link to it.
ARIN did notify the public. ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, etc are often announcing allocations to groups like NANOG. I don't see how much louder they could be. If you're filtering based on their reserved lists, it's your responsibility to keep up with their allocation updates.
They used to have a link on the home page of their web site clearly showing new blocks that were previously unassigned that were now in use. It was quite useful, I checked it often. Then at some point, they decided that was too useful or something, and redesigned their site, removing that update page.
They may have since put that feature back on their site, but for a long time (months at least) that information was no longer available in that form. You had to manually check each address range in their WHOIS. (I checked over their extensively for it, googling it and even wget'ing their whole site and grep'ing for changes I knew were listed before.)
So they may have put such an (easy to check) update page back on their site, but the end result of their 'redesign' is that I stopped checking it a long time ago. And apparently, so have many other people.
We get complaints every once in a great while from cablemodem users who can't access one of the public servers, and then we'll find out what address they're coming from and see if it's currently filtered, and then remove those restrictions on all servers/firewalls. Has happened twice in the last 2 years I believe.
ehhh, it's late.... shoulda read more carefully. (135, not 139/etc)
RPC (135) has always been running on any NT box I've ever seen, even on systems where you try to eliminate every unnecessary processes. I think there are some services that require it for some god-awful reason, so disabling it would probably cause crazy unforseen problems. A fun time is to be expected!
The only fix is to firewall off the server? WTH kind of a fix is that? That's one step away from keeping the network cable unplugged!
Anyone who doesn't firewall off SMB packets to keep them from escaping out to/from the internet SHOULD have their network cables unplugged...:)
However, for medium to large sized companies/networks, the threat of a hostile attacker being inside the firewall is just as great or greater than outside, and you're absolutely right, they're saying "fuck off, you're on your own on this one."
for i in a b c d e f g h i j; do ping $i.root-servers.net; done
WTF does that accomplish?? You just ping Verisign's server until you Ctrl-C it, and then it pings the next server. Why not at least 'ping -f' it?? Do something useful at least....
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The day a seach engine uses "pay for placement"... is the day I stop using them.
Then I guess your search options are pretty limited, huh? Every major search engine now is either hooked up with Overture/Ah-ha/etc, or has their own fee for submitting. Except Google, but some of google's ads appear as lines that look very similar to their regular search results, and are directly above the search results (just like Overture's). The only major difference between how Google places theirs and how Overture et. al does theirs, is Google has a different background color for the ad text, making it a little more obvious that they are ads.
But it's not a huge mental leap to go from "background color" to "no background color", especially under pressure from advertisers, with in an increasingly smaller number of search engines to advertise with.
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Yeah, I know there are more search engines popping up every day. And _you_ know that nobody ever goes to them either. When was the last time you used one of those other 15,000 search engines that all those spammers tell you they'll submit your site to for 50 bucks??
Apparently the sleeping quarters... has several layers of high strength fabric separated by quite a bit of empty volume in order to soak up the kinetic energy of space debris as it will inevitably hit the station.
Ahhh yes, the good old "bed sheet deflector shield"... I've used those before in the past. Kept those high-velocity monsters from my closet at bay quite well!
A space elevator is by far the ideal method for launching satellites. One thing that people forget is that not only do you get the object into orbit (just walk it up, and poof! off it goes) since the cable needs to extend PAST GEO, you can continue past GEO, at which point you're moving at superorbital velocity for that point. If you continue far enough, and then just let go, you will actually continue on with a ridiculously high velocity, without ANY use of boosters, rockets, anything like that. Obviously this is true for any launch vehicle, but most of them do this in a second stage while in orbit, because they barely make orbit.
This doesn't make sense to me. If there has to be a counterweight 'station' at the other end of the string, and it extends beyond geo-sync orbit, what's keeping it moving faster than the orbital speed for that distance??
Why should the cable remain taut if the weight at the end of it keeps wanting to slide backwards relative to the spot on the earth where the other end of it is connected? Wouldn't it slide backward, and then the fact that its tied to a single point on the Earth means that it would be pulled closer to the Earth's surface the farther it fell back (ie. wrapping around the earth until it finally plunges into the ocean)?
Wouldn't you need rockets or some other kind of thrusters to keep the weight at the end in its desired orbit? Or are you talking about building a structure that is completely rigid and handles all the stresses that are placed on it while always pointing straight out into the sky? Are you really suggesting building a 23,000+ mile building? A skyscraper 78,000 times taller than any other building ever built? If so, why would you want a weight at the end, it would just be extra stress for your structure to have to handle?
And how are you going to get equal weights moving up and down the cable at the same time? You would basically be accomplishing absolutely nothing if you had to move the same mass up and down every time you travelled. (ie. Where can your satellite/ship go if you need the weight of it to carry up the next load? And how did you get the initial weight up there that you brought back down while moving your satellite up there in the first place? Seems like a chicken/egg thing, unless you plan on slowly moving an initial weight 'car' up the pole as it was being constructed, and no future loads could be heavier than that one.)
Unless you plan on mining asteroids or something so that you always have a supply of rocks to be trucking back down to the surface or something. Is that part of your plan, because I didn't see any mention of anything like that. Or am I totally missing something here? Please explain.
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Sure enough, Mr. Gettys works for Hewlett Packard now, in the HP Labs division.
Branches have a lot of leaves at the end. They are normally green because they are still connected to the plant. They are quite flat and can sort of be used like a fire blanket to smother the fire.
Well yeah, I've seen that effect being used on a tiny campfire before. But he's talking about an enormous brush fire with "30 foot high flames".... I don't care how many leaves are on the end of the stick, i'm not charging into a forest fire that's consumed most of his community armed with a handful of twigs...
The only photos that really stuck out, at least to my mind, were photos where cross hair patterns, placed on a plate between the shutter and the film om the astronauts cameras disappear behind the astronauts or other objects.
The crosshairs were supposedly etched on the lens of the camera, to better help measure objects in the pictures. So what's more likely? That a couple pure white overexposed surfaces bled thru on the film and filled in the tiny black areas, a phenomenon known to occur on overexposed pictures here on Earth which is reproducible by you or anyone else (hell, a similar effect even works on digital cameras too).... OR for some unknown reason, NASA didn't actually etch the crosshairs on the lens but instead went around painting little black X's all over their fake movie set in California and mistakenly had their "actors" walk around in the wrong spot and cover up X's that they weren't supposed to??
And then, after they went through all this trouble of faking a whole moon landing set and doctoring the photos, they forgot to fill in the little black X's, which is about the easiest kind of object to Photoshop into an existing picture I can think of.... Hmmm, I dunno, I'm definitely leaning towards conspiracy on that one!
Yeah, like a story about a Beowulf cluster is going to end all the jokes about Beowulf clusters... If that were true, a story like this one mentioning "profit" would have ended all the Step: 1,2,3 jokes long ago.
If anything, I think it will have the reverse effect... bringing Beowulf clusters back into everyone's mind will lead us to a dawn of a new Beowulf cluster joke Era... This is merely the beginning!
They're not even subtle about it anymore. They just stroll in to a geek news web site, and carpet bomb everyone who might enjoy all of the main geek fantasy worlds, while making only a humorously pathetic effort in feigning it as a "reality public service announcement".
Maybe all this work in silencing the subtlest of the trolls has been counter-productive. Now only the boldest and most blunt of the troll species have survived... only to be modded up as "insightful"! What is that shit? Should we just raise the white flags and surrender Slashdot forums to the galactically stupid?
Those that have read the books...
and those that will read the books.
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Oh yeah?? Well I've read all the books, and I plan to read them again in the future. Wrap that little paradox into your precious little either-or divisioned world!:)
You may be going to hell, but you're also going to the Slashdot Top 10 Comments of the Year!...if they ever get around to putting something like that up. hehehe you killed me with that one man
If you have already moderated on a story, you have to "Log out" in order to post anonymously without having your mods un-done. It's stupid I know, but I've reported it along with several other people and they don't seem to consider it a bug. So yeah, just log out and it will work. More of a pain in the ass, but it actually works.
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"We can't do that, Dude. Fucks up the plan!"
Why does it have to be a public corporation? Why not start a non-profit corp with only your friends/acquaintances. Everyone who joins the 'partnership' sells their CDs to it, and in return gets access to all of the CDs that the corp owns. You don't need to go public to try to acquire capital, everyone just contributes assests they already own. Only actual money needed would be for a little bit of computer hardware and some bandwidth.
You set up some kind of server that contains all of the music, and only allows one person to have any particular track "checked out" at a time. (Officially. If you're the type of person who really wanted to 'bypass' the one copy limit, you're not likely to be called on it because it's not a multi-national organization with millions of file-sharers. Just a couple dozen people who all kinda know each other. But 'one copy in use at a time' is the "understanding" everyone has of how it's setup.)
In all honesty, you don't really need THAT many people in your group to cover most of your music needs. In this type of setup, having one million people all contributing the same Britney Spears CD doesn't benefit you in any way, so you might as well not have them. You'd form your group with people who have similar tastes in music (or widely disparate tastes, if you want to broaden your horizons), and when a new CD came out that many people wanted, only 1 person actually has to buy it.
I guess this is kind of the Gnutella version of the article's Napster idea... decentralized, only members join the servers, which are run by the members themselves. Would work out better in my opinion.
Although i do think that as humans we should try to search any money we put into a project like this is as good as gone and in finacial hard times like this we cant afford to throw around much.
'Good as gone'?? The money is going into mainly jobs for people in the US... money that will keep circulating and helping the economy. It's also doing research, which has the potential to materially benefit our society and world as a whole. There is no 'waste' in this scenario.
The only time you can really waste money is by putting it into something that is destroyed. Like say, putting hundreds of Billions of dollars into making bombs... The bombs themselves explode, so you can't salvage anything out of that. And whatever is nearby, is also mostly destroyed, meaning you need to use more money to rebuild it. That's how you throw money away...
I disagree that interest levels should be a determinant of funding levels. One of the things that, IMO, the goverment must do is fund activities that are worthy endeavors regardless of the public interest in them or their potential profitability.
He said it "should match public interest", not profitability. You added the part about profitability yourself. Government funds SHOULD match the public interest. Government (in a capitalist society) should be funding things that the people are interested in and want, but that can't be supplied by the private sector because it is not profitable.
The last thing we want to do is to encourage government to spend money on things that the people do NOT want. That's where you get 'hideous wastes of money' from...
Think about it until it makes sense. In a representative government system, the government should be executing the will of the people. If the government is actively avoiding the activities that it's citizens want, and doing things that they don't want, then it's time to get rid of that government...
(Your example of the prescription drugs for elderly/poor/jobless demonstrates this perfectly. Why would the government provide free medical service to such people? Because a LOT of people are interested in it, and it's not profitable for corporations to do it (so they don't).)
Not sure why someone would write an article about SETI with that many links without puting a link the the actual SETI@Home web site.
Maybe because "Seti@Home" isn't getting the funding. S.E.T.I. is an acronym, and there are hundreds of organizations and thousands of people who are actively pursuing it.
The "Seti Institute" is getting the funding, and it's not going to be used for funding seti@home projects. That's why there was no link to it.
ARIN did notify the public. ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, etc are often announcing allocations to groups like NANOG. I don't see how much louder they could be. If you're filtering based on their reserved lists, it's your responsibility to keep up with their allocation updates.
They used to have a link on the home page of their web site clearly showing new blocks that were previously unassigned that were now in use. It was quite useful, I checked it often. Then at some point, they decided that was too useful or something, and redesigned their site, removing that update page.
They may have since put that feature back on their site, but for a long time (months at least) that information was no longer available in that form. You had to manually check each address range in their WHOIS. (I checked over their extensively for it, googling it and even wget'ing their whole site and grep'ing for changes I knew were listed before.)
So they may have put such an (easy to check) update page back on their site, but the end result of their 'redesign' is that I stopped checking it a long time ago. And apparently, so have many other people.
We get complaints every once in a great while from cablemodem users who can't access one of the public servers, and then we'll find out what address they're coming from and see if it's currently filtered, and then remove those restrictions on all servers/firewalls. Has happened twice in the last 2 years I believe.
ehhh, it's late.... shoulda read more carefully. (135, not 139/etc)
RPC (135) has always been running on any NT box I've ever seen, even on systems where you try to eliminate every unnecessary processes. I think there are some services that require it for some god-awful reason, so disabling it would probably cause crazy unforseen problems. A fun time is to be expected!
The only fix is to firewall off the server? WTH kind of a fix is that? That's one step away from keeping the network cable unplugged!
Anyone who doesn't firewall off SMB packets to keep them from escaping out to/from the internet SHOULD have their network cables unplugged... :)
However, for medium to large sized companies/networks, the threat of a hostile attacker being inside the firewall is just as great or greater than outside, and you're absolutely right, they're saying "fuck off, you're on your own on this one."
Yes Scientist?
I know this isn't your responsibility, but mop the rest of this shit up.
for i in a b c d e f g h i j; do ping $i.root-servers.net; done
WTF does that accomplish?? You just ping Verisign's server until you Ctrl-C it, and then it pings the next server. Why not at least 'ping -f' it?? Do something useful at least....
The day a seach engine uses "pay for placement"... is the day I stop using them.
Then I guess your search options are pretty limited, huh? Every major search engine now is either hooked up with Overture/Ah-ha/etc, or has their own fee for submitting. Except Google, but some of google's ads appear as lines that look very similar to their regular search results, and are directly above the search results (just like Overture's). The only major difference between how Google places theirs and how Overture et. al does theirs, is Google has a different background color for the ad text, making it a little more obvious that they are ads.
But it's not a huge mental leap to go from "background color" to "no background color", especially under pressure from advertisers, with in an increasingly smaller number of search engines to advertise with.
----Yeah, I know there are more search engines popping up every day. And _you_ know that nobody ever goes to them either. When was the last time you used one of those other 15,000 search engines that all those spammers tell you they'll submit your site to for 50 bucks??
Apparently the sleeping quarters ... has several layers of high strength fabric separated by quite a bit of empty volume in order to soak up the kinetic energy of space debris as it will inevitably hit the station.
Ahhh yes, the good old "bed sheet deflector shield"... I've used those before in the past. Kept those high-velocity monsters from my closet at bay quite well!
A space elevator is by far the ideal method for launching satellites. One thing that people forget is that not only do you get the object into orbit (just walk it up, and poof! off it goes) since the cable needs to extend PAST GEO, you can continue past GEO, at which point you're moving at superorbital velocity for that point. If you continue far enough, and then just let go, you will actually continue on with a ridiculously high velocity, without ANY use of boosters, rockets, anything like that. Obviously this is true for any launch vehicle, but most of them do this in a second stage while in orbit, because they barely make orbit.
This doesn't make sense to me. If there has to be a counterweight 'station' at the other end of the string, and it extends beyond geo-sync orbit, what's keeping it moving faster than the orbital speed for that distance??
Why should the cable remain taut if the weight at the end of it keeps wanting to slide backwards relative to the spot on the earth where the other end of it is connected? Wouldn't it slide backward, and then the fact that its tied to a single point on the Earth means that it would be pulled closer to the Earth's surface the farther it fell back (ie. wrapping around the earth until it finally plunges into the ocean)?
Wouldn't you need rockets or some other kind of thrusters to keep the weight at the end in its desired orbit? Or are you talking about building a structure that is completely rigid and handles all the stresses that are placed on it while always pointing straight out into the sky? Are you really suggesting building a 23,000+ mile building? A skyscraper 78,000 times taller than any other building ever built? If so, why would you want a weight at the end, it would just be extra stress for your structure to have to handle?
And how are you going to get equal weights moving up and down the cable at the same time? You would basically be accomplishing absolutely nothing if you had to move the same mass up and down every time you travelled. (ie. Where can your satellite/ship go if you need the weight of it to carry up the next load? And how did you get the initial weight up there that you brought back down while moving your satellite up there in the first place? Seems like a chicken/egg thing, unless you plan on slowly moving an initial weight 'car' up the pole as it was being constructed, and no future loads could be heavier than that one.)
Unless you plan on mining asteroids or something so that you always have a supply of rocks to be trucking back down to the surface or something. Is that part of your plan, because I didn't see any mention of anything like that. Or am I totally missing something here? Please explain.
Sure enough, Mr. Gettys works for Hewlett Packard now, in the HP Labs division.
Yeah, and he's got a squishy head too... heheh.
The robots are here to PROTECT US! Protect us from the Terrible Secret of Space!
They will Push and Shove us out of the way of danger... just please don't go stand by the stairs, if you know what I mean.
PAK CHOOIE UNF
Branches have a lot of leaves at the end. They are normally green because they are still connected to the plant. They are quite flat and can sort of be used like a fire blanket to smother the fire.
Well yeah, I've seen that effect being used on a tiny campfire before. But he's talking about an enormous brush fire with "30 foot high flames".... I don't care how many leaves are on the end of the stick, i'm not charging into a forest fire that's consumed most of his community armed with a handful of twigs...Some people had buckets of water and the rest used branches ripped off nearby trees.
What did you do, taunt the flames??
"Put yourselves out or we will POKE YOU WITH THESE STICKS!!"
heheh seriously, good job with your heroic effort and all. I just still don't know what the hell you did with the branches...
"Also destroyed were a number of student houses and workshops."
Just wanted to make sure everyone heard that part...The only photos that really stuck out, at least to my mind, were photos where cross hair patterns, placed on a plate between the shutter and the film om the astronauts cameras disappear behind the astronauts or other objects.
The crosshairs were supposedly etched on the lens of the camera, to better help measure objects in the pictures. So what's more likely? That a couple pure white overexposed surfaces bled thru on the film and filled in the tiny black areas, a phenomenon known to occur on overexposed pictures here on Earth which is reproducible by you or anyone else (hell, a similar effect even works on digital cameras too).... OR for some unknown reason, NASA didn't actually etch the crosshairs on the lens but instead went around painting little black X's all over their fake movie set in California and mistakenly had their "actors" walk around in the wrong spot and cover up X's that they weren't supposed to??
And then, after they went through all this trouble of faking a whole moon landing set and doctoring the photos, they forgot to fill in the little black X's, which is about the easiest kind of object to Photoshop into an existing picture I can think of.... Hmmm, I dunno, I'm definitely leaning towards conspiracy on that one!
Yeah, like a story about a Beowulf cluster is going to end all the jokes about Beowulf clusters... If that were true, a story like this one mentioning "profit" would have ended all the Step: 1,2,3 jokes long ago.
If anything, I think it will have the reverse effect... bringing Beowulf clusters back into everyone's mind will lead us to a dawn of a new Beowulf cluster joke Era... This is merely the beginning!
Nice try at reverse psychology though...
They're not even subtle about it anymore. They just stroll in to a geek news web site, and carpet bomb everyone who might enjoy all of the main geek fantasy worlds, while making only a humorously pathetic effort in feigning it as a "reality public service announcement".
Maybe all this work in silencing the subtlest of the trolls has been counter-productive. Now only the boldest and most blunt of the troll species have survived... only to be modded up as "insightful"! What is that shit? Should we just raise the white flags and surrender Slashdot forums to the galactically stupid?
Oh yeah?? Well I've read all the books, and I plan to read them again in the future. Wrap that little paradox into your precious little either-or divisioned world!
(Going to hell for that one...)
You may be going to hell, but you're also going to the Slashdot Top 10 Comments of the Year! ...if they ever get around to putting something like that up. hehehe you killed me with that one man
hmm, I guess the anon thing doesn't work anymore
If you have already moderated on a story, you have to "Log out" in order to post anonymously without having your mods un-done. It's stupid I know, but I've reported it along with several other people and they don't seem to consider it a bug. So yeah, just log out and it will work. More of a pain in the ass, but it actually works.
seriously dude... I don't know what we would do without you here to save the day.