Actually, I don't consider it bad not to have flown the flag. I don't consider it bad to stand with your fellow citizens. If flying their flag is how they choose to do it, then so be it.
However, I do consider it bad to blindly follow a flag like Roman soldiers following a Roman standard. You really need to look at who is waving that flag before you run off and lynch someone, or kill someone, or help ship them off to Cuba, or invade someone else's country.
Read Stephen King's "Through the Eyes of the Dragon" and "The Stand" if you want to know what he thinks of the Grand Ol' (Randall) Flag (Flagg)
If you want to call him Dubija, you can. "Dubija" is a texas-slang "W", which is how he can be identified from his father. But it also carries the connotation of "dubious".
But he isn't dumb, and it's inappropriate to call him Dumbya. If you want a different title, I suggest you use his actual title, based upon the succession:
Just a note, that Arnold does not talk politics when he's promoting a movie.
Rather than have another Kennedy politician (well, by marriage) I think T4 is an excellent idea.
Suppose, during the acceleration phase, that they didn't have 3-foot-wide belts, but rather lots of 1-cm-wide belts, all moving at slightly different speeds? Now, things might seem to be more unstable that way, but if you do do things that way you can have a much lower acceleration. For example, initially 80% of the belts are fixed, and 20% move at 1 kph. Then you phase out another 20% of the fixed belts, and phase in more 1 kph belts. Then, since the accelerations are now microaccelerations, you'd be supposed to walk on. Or they could even have chairs on there. you take a chair, slide it around to the start point, and sit down on it (which puts its weight on the belts, causing it to begin accelerating.) -
Microsoft would do what? Break up the company, and for each share of M$ you owned, you'd get 1 share each of MicroEnter, MicroOS, MicroCE, MicroPDA, MicroHardware?
Of course, when they mail it to you, guess what you'll see? All 5 shares in a single package, covered by a shrink-wrap EULA requiring you to agree to only buy and sell shares of these new companies in equal amounts...
This has not been done before, as far as I know. It probably has been published in one form or another, but I'm making sure it gets published.
Here goes:
I claim for public domain [that is, published as of now, at least] the following methods:
1. Translating from the user language into a meta language and transmitting the meta language.
2. Translating from the meta language into the second user language.
3. Said meta language contains all the information in both user languages, including but not limited to: connotation as implied by phrases and surrounding words, parts of speech as implied by word forms and word order, word importance as impliled by word forms and positions, secondary meanings as applicable.
4. Translation to meta language independently operates on each word in the context of surrounding words, in order to indentify phrases meanings, and possible parts of speech.
5. Translation accepts only those meanings which can cause the whole sentence to be valid. If no meaning is completely valid, then it accepts the best meanings.
6. Translation makes use of multiple "specialist" dictionaries, arranged in tree format, to help identify special meanings (such as dining, or whatnot.)
7. Translators can update themselves against a website. They also accept corrections from the user. That is, if a user recieves a message that is not quite correct, he corrects it. Translator program deduces proper meaning of correction (grammar, or wrong meaning), and updates website information.
8. Translation is used on websites, text submission, instant messaging, local computer lookup, or any other electronic means of communication available.
9. Dictionaries use database-style lookup in order to allow faster reference, and save space.
10. Where mobile devices are involved, translations happen in both directions on landlocked machines (such as scalable architecture distributed virtual webservers) in order to save bandwidth, processing power, battery power, and memory.
11. Where mobile devices are not involved, translations happen to and from the meta language at the local sites, in order to reduce bandwidth usage.
There. That about covers it. I've actually written translation programs before [Apple ][+], and they worked fairly well. But I've had a lot more time to think about it. A lot of times, meta languages can be quite useful, because one language has word forms that another does not. Example: Lithuanian has locative (Latin does not), while Latin has ablative (lithuanian does not: Lithuanian uses genitive for its ablative).
Anyone want to start up a project on sourceforge, please do. But copy this post and its date over, as proof of publication. In fact, republish it on paper, if you can, as well.
Okay, you said that the servers should be outside the NATted zone. I've been asking my ISP (which NATs us) to give me an ipchain rule that will allow my computer to function as a server. That way, I can run and test out my koha (www.koha.org) library card catalog system, and make sure everything runs properly.
Can you tell me *why* the servers should be outside the NATted zone? And if so, what would we need to do so that my server would properly be outside it?
I should also note that Allstate is Sears is the company that back in 1995 was sued by its own middle-level executives, because top-level management sent them to Scientologist "training" that said "cheat the customer", and they quit the training and were fired.
You can google for that one... but it's out there, and it was in the newspapers at the time. So if you buy Allstate, expect to be cheated.
But for me, what really caught my notice is that they think I'm a dog. Okay. But keep your spam away too.
- . - . -.
I should also note, while I'm at it, that Allstate is by no means the only dishonest/evil insurance company. You have to be careful. For example: do not become a partner of Lloyds of London. Lloyds was discovering that all their asbestos insurance was a huge liability, so they suddenly opened their insurance to new "partners", who were relatively new multimillionaire Americans, and then switched the documentation so the asbestos liability went to them. When the Americans sued (there were about 8 of them), they were all mysteriously murdered within a year. The last I heard was that the heirs of one of them continued the suit, but the law offices of their lawyers, one of them in James City County, were all mysteriously burgled, and the documents stolen. So... umm... realize that Lloyds is owned by murderers before you do business with them. [That was from the Daily Press of Newport News, about 1996].
(1) What is wrong with NATs? For example, our ISP uses NAT to deliver service to our computers. Ideally, I'd also like them to IPTable ports 80,8000 on one website prefix (say, usr. instead of www.) to my computer. How does this compromise the system?
(2) Which packages do you use to check for open ports? Which packages do you use to *eliminate* root kits? [Or do you just have to floppy-boot, know where to search, and delete/restore a file?]
(3) What's a DMZ? It sounds like Demilitarized Zone.
(4) Assuming I'm going to get on the web sometime soon, where should I begin with network security for my Debian box? I'm not one of those geniuses who can instantly absorb all concepts, all speciallized information, and install all network security updates. Indeed, I don't know a lot about networking, much less network security -- but I'd like to get started.
(it's nearly impossible to find something with absolutely no plastic in it whatsoever)
Banana / Apple / Carrot / Orange, OFF THE TREE. Admittedly, those waxes they use could possibly qualify as a plastic. [oh yes... carrots come out of the ground.]
Construction materials: Wood. Concrete [many kinds, though not waterproof]. Bricks. Nails. (not CC's, though: they have thermoplastic cement]
A GOOD white starch shirt from Lancaster, PA.
Dirt. Water. Air.
Philosophy. Mathematics. A Thanksgiving Day lecture from your mother about writing more often. A down-to-earth reality check.
I just thought I'd bring this up. People have actually forgotten about Godwin's law, and it really no longer applies in general.
I think that we need a new corrallary, or an overriding law. I mean, this is about as significant as Mercury's too-slow orbital speed, helping Einstein determine general relativity.
I just hacked the system. Click on this link to get ten free IQ points!
You will see that you have successfully donated -10 IQ points, which now means that you can solve math problems you could not solve before.
Please do not take more than your share, though. Dave Berry of the Miami Herald is already reporting that some people down there have suffered from... well, explosions.
First of all, you'd need to keep records of all email receipts for two days, and then records of where it came from, according to which physical connection the email came through.
Then, if someone gets spam, they send it to their ISP within the same day. The ISP first compares the headers with the actual receipt on the email (that is, where our own computers say it came from is actually where it came from). If forged, the computer does two things: (1) send an email to the forging computer's ADMIN (2) chalk up a tally for "forged header".
If not forged, it (1) sends a report to the spam sourcing computer "this is a spam", and lets the spam-source computer deal with it similarly (2) chalks up a tally for "spam".
Then, when prioritizing emails, the computer handles it according to probability for trustworthiness: the most trustworthy computers get their email handled first; the least trustworthy computers have to wait. The ISP admin sets the numbers according to what he wants. Some ISPs will allow spam through, but slowly. Other ISPs will kill everything. My guess is that most ISPs will say "kill 99.44% for forgeries; allow server speed (1 - fractionspam)^4 for spam."
If there is a major spam server, within a day its spam going to start getting heavily rejected. That is, its emails will simply go unserviced. Then its up the server admin to straighten things out.
By their article, it seems to me that they are saying this only is the case long-term. In other words, the cutting edge of Linux is much rougher than the cutting edge of Windows or Adobe Photoshop; but in the end it works better and more reliably, because the programmers rework it forever until it just works well.
Two points: (1) fortune seekers already do this, and will do this
But without proper indexing it will make it harder for fortune seekers.
But the goal for an anti-patent database shouldn't be to prevent them from making money, or taking it from gullible companies/investors. That's not worth my time or anyone else's. The goal should be to open up paths for free software to successfully develop.
Ahh. Now I see where we disagree.
PADB was never meant for opening paths for free software, but to avoid
others closing the paths for free software. It seems you think that ideas
are better collected in a large pile no matter how different they may be,
whereas I believe it is better to exchange the ideas in specialized forums
where the people interested in the subject is anyway. I believe it is
highly unlikely that crypto experts would like to read about ideas for
vacuum cleaners and loud speakers. I am pretty sure they would much rather
read about bad crypto ideas than genius vacuum cleaner ideas.
The ideas should be submitted to PADB only to avoid closing the path - not
to inspire others to follow it as there are much better ways for doing
this.
Finally, you'll get the fastest growth of patent-free ideas if it is well published.
Yeah - for what? I know no developers that would like to read about every
subject imaginable - they tend to focus on they speciality. I believe the
only one that will gain from this is fortune seekers who will find "holes"
in the ideas that are patentable.
So I really think that publication should occur.
I can't stop you. But I will not help you either.
The way ideas should be spread is not through PADB but through specialized mailinglists/forums such as the Linux Kernel Mailing List.
That is closed-source at its worst.
Actually no. That is how free software is developed today.
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That is where it stands at this point. Sorry, I forgot to do this as anonymous coward for PADB, and the formatting isn't the best. But I did clarify who was who with the subject lines.
I kindof felt like I should post this conversation, because it does clarify what PADB is. I disagree with it stopping where it does, but not everyone will, and if you agree with it, well, maybe it will still do some good.
I still don't know whether they can get the support of the FSF. I don't know if it will actually protect anything. But I think that this is a good thing to post, since I did find out the answers to the questions that I posted. Well, some of them, anyhow.
Submission should be possible to set up: A magic-mailaddress could simply add the mail to CVS. Anyone with CVS access can do this. It is not feasible to do the search engine. The reason is that fortune seekers will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the database.
Two points: (1) fortune seekers already do this, and will do this
(2) It isn't a problem, and is less a problem if more people can access the
database. You have to remember that fortune seekers make their money
doing this, so this can be a career for them. Once they stumble on your
site, if they are able to read it [that is, if it is really published], then they will
have every incentive to spend the effort to get all the information.
But the goal for an anti-patent database shouldn't be to prevent them from
making money, or taking it from gullible companies/investors. That's not
worth my time or anyone else's. The goal should be to open up paths for
free software to successfully develop. Indeed, you want development then
to proceed along those paths, to be sure that your software is patent-free.
For that, you want things to be better known [thus becoming a standard],
not worse known. If, for example, ogg-vorbis predated mp3, then there would
have been little incentive to pick the closed-source mp3 standard.
Moreover, you never know when one developer's solution may help another
developer in what he's doing. For example, suppose that someone found a
way to use video cards [yeah, just turn off the monitor] to improve sound-processing
music programs for live sound compression?
Finally, you'll get the fastest growth of patent-free ideas if it is well published.
We want to outstrip the forces of darkness, because that is the strength of
open-* systems.
So I really think that publication should occur.
You may say: The harder it is to read the database the better.
In that case, the publication could be said to not really be published, which
presents a legal weakness.
This [item #4, to set up a subscription form] would also not be a great idea: The reason is that fortune seekers
will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the
database. Also it would be classifying the ideas which would defy the idea
of PADB which is to publish but not order the ideas.
The way ideas should be spread is not through PADB but through specialized
mailinglists/forums such as the Linux Kernel Mailing List.
That is closed-source at its worst. Open source should be more open,
not less open. Let's not make this a version of "your version of closed
versus my version of closed" [paraquote: if you keep shooting your feet
off, I'll have to retaliate by shooting one of our workers' feet off, so there!]
but rather "open is better, and we'll outstrip your closed. You can be closed,
but you'll never be able to stop or block our development".
P.S. Please do reply to this, as long as you disagree. I really think this is
important. If you have other responsibilities, then simply reply less often,
but please do reply.
(1) *CAN* you get FSF verification (and better, support: a link from GNU or the FSF)?
Your fear on/. is unfounded. It seems you do not know how the patent
system works: If something is published then you cannot patent it (and if
it - by mistake - is patented after the publishing date you can invalidate
the patent with prior art). So let us assume that Mr. Bad reads PADB then
he will not be able to patent the ideas described here.
(2) Does Denmark have a national library where paper copy can be submitted and registered?
I believe so. Feel free to contact kb.dk (Danish national Library).
(3) Can you set up an easy web search / submission engine?
Submission should be possible to set up: A magic-mailaddress could simply
add the mail to CVS. Anyone with CVS access can do this.
It is not feasible to do the search engine. The reason is that fortune
seekers will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the
database.
You may say: The harder it is to read the database the better.
(4) Can you also set up an "area of interest" subscription form, where people can sign up to recieve e- or paper- copy?
This would also not be a great idea: The reason is that fortune seekers
will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the
database. Also it would be classifying the ideas which would defy the idea
of PADB which is to publish but not order the ideas.
The way ideas should be spread is not through PADB but through specialized
mailinglists/forums such as the Linux Kernel Mailing List.
I contacted PADB; here's the conversation. I'm going to be posting their responses as "Anonymous Coward" to help clarify who wrote what. Just follow the thread of first posts along (probably only posts).
Here was my first email:
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Hi,
To reference this, I posted this on slashdot:
[reference to this thread above]
A few quick questions:
(1) *CAN* you get FSF verification (and better, support: a link from GNU or the FSF)?
(2) Does Denmark have a national library where paper copy can be submitted and registered?
(3) Can you set up an easy web search / submission engine?
(4) Can you also set up an "area of interest" subscription form, where people can sign up to
recieve e- or paper- copy?
If you think you can do these things, and if you think you want me on the prepublishing end,
we are located in Silute, Lithuania. Our labor costs are probably cheaper than elsewhere. We
also have a US business (that is, we have a US business and a Lithuanian business), and I would
be interested in possibly helping to prepublish all this if it can be made to pay our expenses.
I suspect that businesses and developers would like and pay for targeted mailings or paper-copy
indexes to CD-copy information, within their specific range of development.
Anyhow, if you're interested, let me know. If there is a specific roadmap to becoming profitable,
and it is not too long or expensive [looks feasible], and you have FSF verification and support,
I would also be willing to donate some amount of time ahead of time to get things going.
Thanks for your reply. It's good to know, because that implies that there will be peace for a while, anyhow. When, not if, can still happen later rather than sooner.
Hmmm... so it sounds as if the Hansiatic League is in full effect. No joke, our european bank is "Hansabank". That's ours, as in we use it, not ours, as in we own it.
I'm glad to hear that people are a bit drowsy, specifically because I *don't* want war of one kind or another to happen.
It's one thing to say that violence comes from ignoring the power of the people. That's a political science theorem. It might be right, it might be wrong.
It's entirely another thing to advocate violence. Be very careful what you say, therefore. Don't advocate violence.
For one thing, violence is a kind of war as are many others, including terrorism, nuclear war, cold war, insurrection, revolution, and civil unrest. Not one war has ever had a winner. Everyone loses in a war, but some lose more than others. It's much better to just skip war entirely, even if it means leaving your homeland.
For another thing, advocating violence is a great way to get labeled a terrorist. At which point you can then say "I'm getting to the end of my rope and patience" as you make a short 3-foot drop on the docks.
Much better than that is to not horriblize, find the best ways for OSS to duck and adapt to the new "biznis" climate, and keep on trying to make ends meet.
I should note that if that is true, then that implies that money has bypassed the popular power already, before the EU has even gotten its constitution.
In such a case, that doesn't mean that the people are without power -- far from it, it means that the people have more power (it isn't reigned in by governmental process), but only with the power modes that are normal to popular voice.
Typically, that's ended up being Russian or French revolution. That's bad; very, very bad.
On the other hand, let us consider: if popular power, not given a voice in the government, becomes more powerful within its realm, then what should we do about the power of money, which is overthrowing the other forms of power (wise counsel/courts, charismatic leader/president, popular power/lower house, ethnic group/Senate)?
I would suggest that if this is the case, the EU's parliament needs to give an official voice to money, but in a way that reigns in it's unsettling characteristics. For example, allow a third house that has *only* bought seats, sold at auction to the highest bidder [365 seats, 1 sold per day, good for 1 year], that has the power to block new law, but not to write or introduce new law.
Of course, they don't have to. But a government's modes of failure depend on its structure. So if they don't, my advice would be to stay out of the population centers (cities, for example) when [not if] civil unrest begins. It's bound to be bloody.
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Actually, I don't consider it bad not to have flown the flag. I don't consider it bad to stand with your fellow citizens. If flying their flag is how they choose to do it, then so be it.
However, I do consider it bad to blindly follow a flag like Roman soldiers following a Roman standard. You really need to look at who is waving that flag before you run off and lynch someone, or kill someone, or help ship them off to Cuba, or invade someone else's country.
Read Stephen King's "Through the Eyes of the Dragon" and "The Stand" if you want to know what he thinks of the Grand Ol' (Randall) Flag (Flagg)
If you want to call him Dubija, you can. "Dubija" is a texas-slang "W", which is how he can be identified from his father. But it also carries the connotation of "dubious".
But he isn't dumb, and it's inappropriate to call him Dumbya. If you want a different title, I suggest you use his actual title, based upon the succession:
George III.
So you're trying to tell me that I'd get more done if I didn't have my mob (well, we call them handies)?
That's ridiculous. Next you'd tell me I'd be more productive without my Microsoft Productivity Package!!!
Or... *gasp* my computer.
WITH INTERNET?!??
That does it. I'm headed off to a different Slashdot forum.
Just a note, that Arnold does not talk politics when he's promoting a movie. Rather than have another Kennedy politician (well, by marriage) I think T4 is an excellent idea.
Suppose, during the acceleration phase, that they didn't have 3-foot-wide belts, but rather lots of 1-cm-wide belts, all moving at slightly different speeds? Now, things might seem to be more unstable that way, but if you do do things that way you can have a much lower acceleration. For example, initially 80% of the belts are fixed, and 20% move at 1 kph. Then you phase out another 20% of the fixed belts, and phase in more 1 kph belts. Then, since the accelerations are now microaccelerations, you'd be supposed to walk on. Or they could even have chairs on there. you take a chair, slide it around to the start point, and sit down on it (which puts its weight on the belts, causing it to begin accelerating.) -
I dunno. Probably just another one of my ideas...
Microsoft would do what? Break up the company, and for each share of M$ you owned, you'd get 1 share each of MicroEnter, MicroOS, MicroCE, MicroPDA, MicroHardware?
Of course, when they mail it to you, guess what you'll see? All 5 shares in a single package, covered by a shrink-wrap EULA requiring you to agree to only buy and sell shares of these new companies in equal amounts...
This has not been done before, as far as I know. It probably has been published in one form or another, but I'm making sure it gets published.
Here goes:
I claim for public domain [that is, published as of now, at least] the following methods:
1. Translating from the user language into a meta language and transmitting the meta language.
2. Translating from the meta language into the second user language.
3. Said meta language contains all the information in both user languages, including but not limited to: connotation as implied by phrases and surrounding words, parts of speech as implied by word forms and word order, word importance as impliled by word forms and positions, secondary meanings as applicable.
4. Translation to meta language independently operates on each word in the context of surrounding words, in order to indentify phrases meanings, and possible parts of speech.
5. Translation accepts only those meanings which can cause the whole sentence to be valid. If no meaning is completely valid, then it accepts the best meanings.
6. Translation makes use of multiple "specialist" dictionaries, arranged in tree format, to help identify special meanings (such as dining, or whatnot.)
7. Translators can update themselves against a website. They also accept corrections from the user. That is, if a user recieves a message that is not quite correct, he corrects it. Translator program deduces proper meaning of correction (grammar, or wrong meaning), and updates website information.
8. Translation is used on websites, text submission, instant messaging, local computer lookup, or any other electronic means of communication available.
9. Dictionaries use database-style lookup in order to allow faster reference, and save space.
10. Where mobile devices are involved, translations happen in both directions on landlocked machines (such as scalable architecture distributed virtual webservers) in order to save bandwidth, processing power, battery power, and memory.
11. Where mobile devices are not involved, translations happen to and from the meta language at the local sites, in order to reduce bandwidth usage.
There. That about covers it. I've actually written translation programs before [Apple ][+], and they worked fairly well. But I've had a lot more time to think about it. A lot of times, meta languages can be quite useful, because one language has word forms that another does not. Example: Lithuanian has locative (Latin does not), while Latin has ablative (lithuanian does not: Lithuanian uses genitive for its ablative).
Anyone want to start up a project on sourceforge, please do. But copy this post and its date over, as proof of publication. In fact, republish it on paper, if you can, as well.
Okay, you said that the servers should be outside the NATted zone. I've been asking my ISP (which NATs us) to give me an ipchain rule that will allow my computer to function as a server. That way, I can run and test out my koha (www.koha.org) library card catalog system, and make sure everything runs properly. Can you tell me *why* the servers should be outside the NATted zone? And if so, what would we need to do so that my server would properly be outside it?
I should also note that Allstate is Sears is the company that back in 1995 was sued by its own middle-level executives, because top-level management sent them to Scientologist "training" that said "cheat the customer", and they quit the training and were fired.
.
You can google for that one... but it's out there, and it was in the newspapers at the time. So if you buy Allstate, expect to be cheated.
But for me, what really caught my notice is that they think I'm a dog. Okay. But keep your spam away too.
- . - . -
I should also note, while I'm at it, that Allstate is by no means the only dishonest/evil insurance company. You have to be careful. For example: do not become a partner of Lloyds of London. Lloyds was discovering that all their asbestos insurance was a huge liability, so they suddenly opened their insurance to new "partners", who were relatively new multimillionaire Americans, and then switched the documentation so the asbestos liability went to them. When the Americans sued (there were about 8 of them), they were all mysteriously murdered within a year. The last I heard was that the heirs of one of them continued the suit, but the law offices of their lawyers, one of them in James City County, were all mysteriously burgled, and the documents stolen. So... umm... realize that Lloyds is owned by murderers before you do business with them. [That was from the Daily Press of Newport News, about 1996].
Okay, please explain a bunch of stuff to me.
(1) What is wrong with NATs? For example, our ISP uses NAT to deliver service to our computers. Ideally, I'd also like them to IPTable ports 80,8000 on one website prefix (say, usr. instead of www.) to my computer. How does this compromise the system?
(2) Which packages do you use to check for open ports? Which packages do you use to *eliminate* root kits? [Or do you just have to floppy-boot, know where to search, and delete/restore a file?]
(3) What's a DMZ? It sounds like Demilitarized Zone.
(4) Assuming I'm going to get on the web sometime soon, where should I begin with network security for my Debian box? I'm not one of those geniuses who can instantly absorb all concepts, all speciallized information, and install all network security updates. Indeed, I don't know a lot about networking, much less network security -- but I'd like to get started.
(it's nearly impossible to find something with absolutely no plastic in it whatsoever)
Banana / Apple / Carrot / Orange, OFF THE TREE. Admittedly, those waxes they use could possibly qualify as a plastic. [oh yes... carrots come out of the ground.]
Construction materials: Wood. Concrete [many kinds, though not waterproof]. Bricks. Nails. (not CC's, though: they have thermoplastic cement]
A GOOD white starch shirt from Lancaster, PA.
Dirt. Water. Air.
Philosophy. Mathematics. A Thanksgiving Day lecture from your mother about writing more often. A down-to-earth reality check.
I just thought I'd bring this up. People have actually forgotten about Godwin's law, and it really no longer applies in general.
I think that we need a new corrallary, or an overriding law. I mean, this is about as significant as Mercury's too-slow orbital speed, helping Einstein determine general relativity.
Re: your sig (donate IQ points)
... well, explosions.
I just hacked the system. Click on this link to get ten free IQ points!
You will see that you have successfully donated -10 IQ points, which now means that you can solve math problems you could not solve before.
Please do not take more than your share, though. Dave Berry of the Miami Herald is already reporting that some people down there have suffered from
First of all, you'd need to keep records of all email receipts for two days, and then records of where it came from, according to which physical connection the email came through.
Then, if someone gets spam, they send it to their ISP within the same day. The ISP first compares the headers with the actual receipt on the email (that is, where our own computers say it came from is actually where it came from). If forged, the computer does two things: (1) send an email to the forging computer's ADMIN (2) chalk up a tally for "forged header".
If not forged, it (1) sends a report to the spam sourcing computer "this is a spam", and lets the spam-source computer deal with it similarly (2) chalks up a tally for "spam".
Then, when prioritizing emails, the computer handles it according to probability for trustworthiness: the most trustworthy computers get their email handled first; the least trustworthy computers have to wait. The ISP admin sets the numbers according to what he wants. Some ISPs will allow spam through, but slowly. Other ISPs will kill everything. My guess is that most ISPs will say "kill 99.44% for forgeries; allow server speed (1 - fractionspam)^4 for spam."
If there is a major spam server, within a day its spam going to start getting heavily rejected. That is, its emails will simply go unserviced. Then its up the server admin to straighten things out.
You can look at
www.zedcor.com
www.futurebasic.org
or
http://www.stazsoftware.com
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Th- eff - t
There! Ta Da! I did it!
By their article, it seems to me that they are saying this only is the case long-term. In other words, the cutting edge of Linux is much rougher than the cutting edge of Windows or Adobe Photoshop; but in the end it works better and more reliably, because the programmers rework it forever until it just works well.
But without proper indexing it will make it harder for fortune seekers.
But the goal for an anti-patent database shouldn't be to prevent them from making money, or taking it from gullible companies/investors. That's not worth my time or anyone else's. The goal should be to open up paths for free software to successfully develop.
Ahh. Now I see where we disagree.
PADB was never meant for opening paths for free software, but to avoid others closing the paths for free software. It seems you think that ideas are better collected in a large pile no matter how different they may be, whereas I believe it is better to exchange the ideas in specialized forums where the people interested in the subject is anyway. I believe it is highly unlikely that crypto experts would like to read about ideas for vacuum cleaners and loud speakers. I am pretty sure they would much rather read about bad crypto ideas than genius vacuum cleaner ideas.
The ideas should be submitted to PADB only to avoid closing the path - not to inspire others to follow it as there are much better ways for doing this.
Finally, you'll get the fastest growth of patent-free ideas if it is well published.
Yeah - for what? I know no developers that would like to read about every subject imaginable - they tend to focus on they speciality. I believe the only one that will gain from this is fortune seekers who will find "holes" in the ideas that are patentable.
So I really think that publication should occur.
I can't stop you. But I will not help you either.
The way ideas should be spread is not through PADB but through specialized mailinglists/forums such as the Linux Kernel Mailing List.
That is closed-source at its worst.
Actually no. That is how free software is developed today.
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That is where it stands at this point. Sorry, I forgot to do this as anonymous coward for PADB, and the formatting isn't the best. But I did clarify who was who with the subject lines.
I kindof felt like I should post this conversation, because it does clarify what PADB is. I disagree with it stopping where it does, but not everyone will, and if you agree with it, well, maybe it will still do some good.
I still don't know whether they can get the support of the FSF. I don't know if it will actually protect anything. But I think that this is a good thing to post, since I did find out the answers to the questions that I posted. Well, some of them, anyhow.
Submission should be possible to set up: A magic-mailaddress could simply add the mail to CVS. Anyone with CVS access can do this. It is not feasible to do the search engine. The reason is that fortune seekers will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the database.
Two points: (1) fortune seekers already do this, and will do this
(2) It isn't a problem, and is less a problem if more people can access the database. You have to remember that fortune seekers make their money doing this, so this can be a career for them. Once they stumble on your site, if they are able to read it [that is, if it is really published], then they will have every incentive to spend the effort to get all the information.
But the goal for an anti-patent database shouldn't be to prevent them from making money, or taking it from gullible companies/investors. That's not worth my time or anyone else's. The goal should be to open up paths for free software to successfully develop. Indeed, you want development then to proceed along those paths, to be sure that your software is patent-free. For that, you want things to be better known [thus becoming a standard], not worse known. If, for example, ogg-vorbis predated mp3, then there would have been little incentive to pick the closed-source mp3 standard.
Moreover, you never know when one developer's solution may help another developer in what he's doing. For example, suppose that someone found a way to use video cards [yeah, just turn off the monitor] to improve sound-processing music programs for live sound compression?
Finally, you'll get the fastest growth of patent-free ideas if it is well published. We want to outstrip the forces of darkness, because that is the strength of open-* systems.
So I really think that publication should occur.
You may say: The harder it is to read the database the better.
In that case, the publication could be said to not really be published, which presents a legal weakness.
This [item #4, to set up a subscription form] would also not be a great idea: The reason is that fortune seekers will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the database. Also it would be classifying the ideas which would defy the idea of PADB which is to publish but not order the ideas.
The way ideas should be spread is not through PADB but through specialized mailinglists/forums such as the Linux Kernel Mailing List.
That is closed-source at its worst. Open source should be more open, not less open. Let's not make this a version of "your version of closed versus my version of closed" [paraquote: if you keep shooting your feet off, I'll have to retaliate by shooting one of our workers' feet off, so there!] but rather "open is better, and we'll outstrip your closed. You can be closed, but you'll never be able to stop or block our development".
P.S. Please do reply to this, as long as you disagree. I really think this is important. If you have other responsibilities, then simply reply less often, but please do reply.
(1) *CAN* you get FSF verification (and better, support: a link from GNU or the FSF)?
Your fear on /. is unfounded. It seems you do not know how the patent
system works: If something is published then you cannot patent it (and if
it - by mistake - is patented after the publishing date you can invalidate
the patent with prior art). So let us assume that Mr. Bad reads PADB then
he will not be able to patent the ideas described here.
(2) Does Denmark have a national library where paper copy can be submitted and registered?
I believe so. Feel free to contact kb.dk (Danish national Library).
(3) Can you set up an easy web search / submission engine?
Submission should be possible to set up: A magic-mailaddress could simply add the mail to CVS. Anyone with CVS access can do this. It is not feasible to do the search engine. The reason is that fortune seekers will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the database. You may say: The harder it is to read the database the better.
(4) Can you also set up an "area of interest" subscription form, where people can sign up to recieve e- or paper- copy?
This would also not be a great idea: The reason is that fortune seekers will look for new ideas and patent variations of the ideas in the database. Also it would be classifying the ideas which would defy the idea of PADB which is to publish but not order the ideas.
The way ideas should be spread is not through PADB but through specialized mailinglists/forums such as the Linux Kernel Mailing List.
(1) *CAN* you get FSF verification (and better, support: a link from GNU or the FSF)?
(2) Does Denmark have a national library where paper copy can be submitted and registered?
(3) Can you set up an easy web search / submission engine?
(4) Can you also set up an "area of interest" subscription form, where people can sign up to recieve e- or paper- copy?
If you think you can do these things, and if you think you want me on the prepublishing end, we are located in Silute, Lithuania. Our labor costs are probably cheaper than elsewhere. We also have a US business (that is, we have a US business and a Lithuanian business), and I would be interested in possibly helping to prepublish all this if it can be made to pay our expenses.
I suspect that businesses and developers would like and pay for targeted mailings or paper-copy indexes to CD-copy information, within their specific range of development.
Anyhow, if you're interested, let me know. If there is a specific roadmap to becoming profitable, and it is not too long or expensive [looks feasible], and you have FSF verification and support, I would also be willing to donate some amount of time ahead of time to get things going.
Thanks for your reply. It's good to know, because that implies that there will be peace for a while, anyhow. When, not if, can still happen later rather than sooner.
Hmmm... so it sounds as if the Hansiatic League is in full effect. No joke, our european bank is "Hansabank". That's ours, as in we use it, not ours, as in we own it.
I'm glad to hear that people are a bit drowsy, specifically because I *don't* want war of one kind or another to happen.
... probably it is the credit card company who should enforce it; let them sue the negligent company.
Does anyone know if there are VSA/MC policies on notifying them?
It's one thing to say that violence comes from ignoring the power of the people. That's a political science theorem. It might be right, it might be wrong.
It's entirely another thing to advocate violence. Be very careful what you say, therefore. Don't advocate violence.
For one thing, violence is a kind of war as are many others, including terrorism, nuclear war, cold war, insurrection, revolution, and civil unrest. Not one war has ever had a winner. Everyone loses in a war, but some lose more than others. It's much better to just skip war entirely, even if it means leaving your homeland.
For another thing, advocating violence is a great way to get labeled a terrorist. At which point you can then say "I'm getting to the end of my rope and patience" as you make a short 3-foot drop on the docks.
Much better than that is to not horriblize, find the best ways for OSS to duck and adapt to the new "biznis" climate, and keep on trying to make ends meet.
I should note that if that is true, then that implies that money has bypassed the popular power already, before the EU has even gotten its constitution.
In such a case, that doesn't mean that the people are without power -- far from it, it means that the people have more power (it isn't reigned in by governmental process), but only with the power modes that are normal to popular voice.
Typically, that's ended up being Russian or French revolution. That's bad; very, very bad.
On the other hand, let us consider: if popular power, not given a voice in the government, becomes more powerful within its realm, then what should we do about the power of money, which is overthrowing the other forms of power (wise counsel/courts, charismatic leader/president, popular power/lower house, ethnic group/Senate)?
I would suggest that if this is the case, the EU's parliament needs to give an official voice to money, but in a way that reigns in it's unsettling characteristics. For example, allow a third house that has *only* bought seats, sold at auction to the highest bidder [365 seats, 1 sold per day, good for 1 year], that has the power to block new law, but not to write or introduce new law.
Of course, they don't have to. But a government's modes of failure depend on its structure. So if they don't, my advice would be to stay out of the population centers (cities, for example) when [not if] civil unrest begins. It's bound to be bloody.