No, the analogy is not messed up, you are just going off on a tangent. The analogy is just illustrating the idea of stability, not security. No analogy is exactly the same as the thing it is compared to, or else it would just a description and not an analogy. You could also say that "removing the locks means you'll need to buy energy-wasting power tools and also create more trash when you have to dispose of the locks, thus creating a burden on the environment", which is also ridiculous because we aren't talking about the environment. It's clear that we are talking about stability here.
I have no idea how this got modded insightful. Saying that opening a system makes it unstable is like saying that removed locks from the doors of a house will make it fall down. The stability of a system is correlated with its quality, not whether it is open or not.
That's quite a broad brush you use to paint "Asian women". I've lived in China for over 3 years, and I can tell you there are PLENTY of selfish and cruel women in asia. And while we are stereotyping large groups of people, the women of each country here in asia have vastly different habits and ways of dealing with men.
Can't you be a fucking APE just for once? Do you really think you are something other than an APE? Get over your religious bullshit for once a fuck the girl!
What happened to thermal depolymerization by the way? There was all this hullabaloo a few years back about how it was going to change everything, but now I never hear about it...
Verizon is not blocking access to newsgroups in general. They are just no longer providing servers to host newsgroups themselves. You can still connect to other newsgroup services which exist in multitudes. What's the big deal? I see no problem here...
why the term "singularity" though? we can't predict things NOW let alone when the super smart machines are here. Why does their presence warrant the usage of this term?
what makes you and all the other singularity believers think that the AI would design a smart, faster version of itself, into a continues loop? perhaps this AI which is one step beyond human intelligence will have goals that we do not understand, which may not include making a smarter version of itself. It may also not even know how to make a smarter version of itself.
Not as much of a joke as it sounds.... When the signature of everyone's face is in a facial recognition database, and cameras are ubiquitous, you might get an automated law enforcement response when you approach an underage child.
Not sure how I got marked troll. I was dead serious with my statements.
Anyway, how does a hadrosaur compare to advanced human civilization in any way? Perhaps tundras and deserts drive migrations. Grassy plains support large amounts of crops. Cold dry northern climes drive civilizations to build advanced systems of agriculture and storage to even survive through a winter. How many rainforest-based civilizations survive today? None. The human mind thrives and develops in adversity. You only need the tiny brain of a hadrosaur to survive in the vegetative overabundance of a carbon rich environment.
A living planet needs carbon. Ours was almost dead until we started releasing the carbon back into the ecosystem.
What a bunch of nonsense! Or planet is no where near dead. What do you constitute as the distinction between dead and alive?
Perhaps this "desert-like" planet is precisely what is needed for advanced human civilization to survive. Pumping more carbon into the atmosphere might make our planet more lush and green, but it may very well no longer be suitable for advanced civilization.
Quit coming up with bullshit non-scientific arguments to justify your greedy status-quo energy wasting lifestyle.
The "singularity" will always be somewhere beyond the horizon of our predictive abilities. The flaw with the concept is that somehow this event will hit, like a sonic boom. But as we advance, our connectivity and knowledge advance, and our understanding of the world and ability to predict our future also advance (especially if we start augmenting our minds), so that singularity will always be ahead of us.
From another angle, this is really no different from predictions of rayguns and flying cars decades ago. Have you seen the state of AI and nanotech? It hasn't progressed qualitatively for quite some time. We've got microscopic gears and shitty speech recognition. What makes everyone think that we aren't going to hit some serious physical limits, or that human civilization is stable enough to support this kind of continued advance?
It's just religion. Nerd religion, but still religion.
Your point is a good one, and one that I've thought about, but what is your meaning? That scientifically derived models of reality aren't real in some way and shouldn't be used for decision making? As long as all known factors are taken into account, I don't see a problem with reductionism. It's the basis of science, and programmers do it frequently when debugging at a high-level doesn't provide enough information, and the machine code must be directly investigated.
You state the truth, but seem to fear and deny it. Ownership is not an inherent part of reality, but actually just a set of implicit and explicit contracts between people. And people are to some degree defined by the arrangement of neuronal connections in their heads.
Once we've established the concept of ownership, what you do to those atoms considered to be in the realm of your ownership is your business, including the atoms in your body. Which is why I'm against drug laws.
Taking it one step further, we create all kinds of ideals, concepts, and symbol structures to model our reality (freedom, rights, ownership, nations, laws, etc). But they are once again just implicit contracts between groups of neuronal structures, and they only maintain their integrity when enough power and incentive is in place to assert enforcement in control, and not whether they are "right" or "wrong". You can see the illusory nature of these mental constructs during revolutions and wars. You've just lived in the nuclear era where large-scale and quick revolutionary change hasn't happened in your own lifetime so you somehow think these concepts are inherent in reality, as most people do, and fear the alternative.
Humans are just as subject to natural selection and pack/herd behavior as any other animal, and you could get selected out tomorrow by a car on the street. And you will find that your body is no ideal sphere of light, but a group of atoms in a temporary stable arrangement that is about to lose coherence, and you will momentarily awaken and realize that you, just like most everyone else in society, is under layer after layer of illusion and abstraction about what is really happening.
Working at a high-level (or human level as you call it) makes things easier and quicker to discuss, but sometimes you have to go to a low-level (or reductionist level as you call it) to clear up ambiguity and apparent contradiction.
So you can decide to insult your own intelligence by making it personal and calling me stupid, or you can provide a well thought out response, as I by no means believe that I have all the right answers.
Whenever a dispute arises regarding intellectual property, it is usually, though not always, rooted in physical property. For instance, disks, books, or other material holding that property. The laws surrounding intellectual property limit use of your own physical property. For instance, you can purchase a hard disk with the bits set randomly, but once you re-arrange the magnetic charges in a specific fashion, you are infringing upon someone else's rights. This goes to show that intellectual property is indeed an illusion. Shouldn't you be able to do what ever you'd like with that chunk of metal in your room?
You can also look at ideas akin to something like fire. You take a candle and light another candle, and nothing was taking from the first candle. Ideas are the same - they are not a limited resource and thus should not be analogized to physical property.
I live in China right now, and the concept of intellectual property is relatively new here. It's a more natural part of Chinese culture to take ideas from each other. Instead of innovating into uncharted territory, Chinese innovate in place, creating immense depth within a single discipline, for instance martial arts, tea drinking, and calligraphy. This is because there are no intellectual property laws retarding development of these disciplines, and people have been copying and improving upon each others' techniques for thousands of years, spreading across a huge nation.
Chinese culture's reputation for the mysterious and secretive also comes out of this. With no protection of intellectual property laws, valuable ideas are kept secret through guilds and lineages.
Anyway just a few thoughts.
LS
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This "nerd" moniker is just a lighthearted way to describe the site's content, and not a damn religion or species. I'm sick of everyone creating a specific "nerd" classification that every reader of Slashdot must be part of otherwise they have no right to an opinion. Humans are more complex and varied than that. There is no such think as a "true nerd", so go shove it.
I have a computer science degree, been reading slashdot since the mid-90s, and run an internet company - I have several characteristics that you would probably call "nerdy", but I do not believe myself to be a "nerd". I also have a hot girlfriend, go out partying regularly, play sports, have lots of friends that know nothing of tech.
This is a very valid point. Once any type of material is censored (yes, I said censored - not only the government is capable of censorship), you've lost your ideals and are pandering. People say that porn and other shock video would ruin youtube, but why couldn't they just add a "safe search" or default safe mode to the site just like they do with their web search engine?
Perhaps there is a market niche for an unfiltered site or site with selectable filter levels. Youtube reminds me a little too much of the real boob tube with all of its rules.
What a bunch of random bullshit! You apparently pulled a bunch of guesses based on misconceptions out of your ass, and the moderators appear to have agreed.
I've lived in China for over 3 years, using the same SSH tunnel the entire time. In addition, there are too many people in China to monitor their browsing habits. What they actually care about is what you are saying (e.g. on blogs), and then only if your words get more than a certain amount of traffic.
Enough with the misinformation. Just because you speculate that something is done because it would be the "smart" thing to do, doesn't mean it's happening.
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No, the analogy is not messed up, you are just going off on a tangent. The analogy is just illustrating the idea of stability, not security. No analogy is exactly the same as the thing it is compared to, or else it would just a description and not an analogy. You could also say that "removing the locks means you'll need to buy energy-wasting power tools and also create more trash when you have to dispose of the locks, thus creating a burden on the environment", which is also ridiculous because we aren't talking about the environment. It's clear that we are talking about stability here.
LS
I have no idea how this got modded insightful. Saying that opening a system makes it unstable is like saying that removed locks from the doors of a house will make it fall down. The stability of a system is correlated with its quality, not whether it is open or not.
LS
That's quite a broad brush you use to paint "Asian women". I've lived in China for over 3 years, and I can tell you there are PLENTY of selfish and cruel women in asia. And while we are stereotyping large groups of people, the women of each country here in asia have vastly different habits and ways of dealing with men.
Where in this "dark triad" of self-obsession, irresponsibility, and deceitfulness do you see physical attractiveness?
Can't you be a fucking APE just for once? Do you really think you are something other than an APE? Get over your religious bullshit for once a fuck the girl!
Sorry you've been so scarred by politically correct thought. I hope you get laid one day.
What happened to thermal depolymerization by the way? There was all this hullabaloo a few years back about how it was going to change everything, but now I never hear about it...
Verizon is not blocking access to newsgroups in general. They are just no longer providing servers to host newsgroups themselves. You can still connect to other newsgroup services which exist in multitudes. What's the big deal? I see no problem here...
Apparently you are the intended market for this cable...
You gotta understand how something works before you make a better version of it....
why the term "singularity" though? we can't predict things NOW let alone when the super smart machines are here. Why does their presence warrant the usage of this term?
what makes you and all the other singularity believers think that the AI would design a smart, faster version of itself, into a continues loop? perhaps this AI which is one step beyond human intelligence will have goals that we do not understand, which may not include making a smarter version of itself. It may also not even know how to make a smarter version of itself.
Not as much of a joke as it sounds.... When the signature of everyone's face is in a facial recognition database, and cameras are ubiquitous, you might get an automated law enforcement response when you approach an underage child.
Not sure how I got marked troll. I was dead serious with my statements.
Anyway, how does a hadrosaur compare to advanced human civilization in any way? Perhaps tundras and deserts drive migrations. Grassy plains support large amounts of crops. Cold dry northern climes drive civilizations to build advanced systems of agriculture and storage to even survive through a winter. How many rainforest-based civilizations survive today? None. The human mind thrives and develops in adversity. You only need the tiny brain of a hadrosaur to survive in the vegetative overabundance of a carbon rich environment.
LS
A living planet needs carbon. Ours was almost dead until we started releasing the carbon back into the ecosystem.
What a bunch of nonsense! Or planet is no where near dead. What do you constitute as the distinction between dead and alive?
Perhaps this "desert-like" planet is precisely what is needed for advanced human civilization to survive. Pumping more carbon into the atmosphere might make our planet more lush and green, but it may very well no longer be suitable for advanced civilization.
Quit coming up with bullshit non-scientific arguments to justify your greedy status-quo energy wasting lifestyle.
The "singularity" will always be somewhere beyond the horizon of our predictive abilities. The flaw with the concept is that somehow this event will hit, like a sonic boom. But as we advance, our connectivity and knowledge advance, and our understanding of the world and ability to predict our future also advance (especially if we start augmenting our minds), so that singularity will always be ahead of us.
From another angle, this is really no different from predictions of rayguns and flying cars decades ago. Have you seen the state of AI and nanotech? It hasn't progressed qualitatively for quite some time. We've got microscopic gears and shitty speech recognition. What makes everyone think that we aren't going to hit some serious physical limits, or that human civilization is stable enough to support this kind of continued advance?
It's just religion. Nerd religion, but still religion.
LS
Thank you for being the only one to respond with any sort of intelligence
Your point is a good one, and one that I've thought about, but what is your meaning? That scientifically derived models of reality aren't real in some way and shouldn't be used for decision making? As long as all known factors are taken into account, I don't see a problem with reductionism. It's the basis of science, and programmers do it frequently when debugging at a high-level doesn't provide enough information, and the machine code must be directly investigated.
You state the truth, but seem to fear and deny it. Ownership is not an inherent part of reality, but actually just a set of implicit and explicit contracts between people. And people are to some degree defined by the arrangement of neuronal connections in their heads.
Once we've established the concept of ownership, what you do to those atoms considered to be in the realm of your ownership is your business, including the atoms in your body. Which is why I'm against drug laws.
Taking it one step further, we create all kinds of ideals, concepts, and symbol structures to model our reality (freedom, rights, ownership, nations, laws, etc). But they are once again just implicit contracts between groups of neuronal structures, and they only maintain their integrity when enough power and incentive is in place to assert enforcement in control, and not whether they are "right" or "wrong". You can see the illusory nature of these mental constructs during revolutions and wars. You've just lived in the nuclear era where large-scale and quick revolutionary change hasn't happened in your own lifetime so you somehow think these concepts are inherent in reality, as most people do, and fear the alternative.
Humans are just as subject to natural selection and pack/herd behavior as any other animal, and you could get selected out tomorrow by a car on the street. And you will find that your body is no ideal sphere of light, but a group of atoms in a temporary stable arrangement that is about to lose coherence, and you will momentarily awaken and realize that you, just like most everyone else in society, is under layer after layer of illusion and abstraction about what is really happening.
Working at a high-level (or human level as you call it) makes things easier and quicker to discuss, but sometimes you have to go to a low-level (or reductionist level as you call it) to clear up ambiguity and apparent contradiction.
So you can decide to insult your own intelligence by making it personal and calling me stupid, or you can provide a well thought out response, as I by no means believe that I have all the right answers.
Whenever a dispute arises regarding intellectual property, it is usually, though not always, rooted in physical property. For instance, disks, books, or other material holding that property. The laws surrounding intellectual property limit use of your own physical property. For instance, you can purchase a hard disk with the bits set randomly, but once you re-arrange the magnetic charges in a specific fashion, you are infringing upon someone else's rights. This goes to show that intellectual property is indeed an illusion. Shouldn't you be able to do what ever you'd like with that chunk of metal in your room?
You can also look at ideas akin to something like fire. You take a candle and light another candle, and nothing was taking from the first candle. Ideas are the same - they are not a limited resource and thus should not be analogized to physical property.
I live in China right now, and the concept of intellectual property is relatively new here. It's a more natural part of Chinese culture to take ideas from each other. Instead of innovating into uncharted territory, Chinese innovate in place, creating immense depth within a single discipline, for instance martial arts, tea drinking, and calligraphy. This is because there are no intellectual property laws retarding development of these disciplines, and people have been copying and improving upon each others' techniques for thousands of years, spreading across a huge nation.
Chinese culture's reputation for the mysterious and secretive also comes out of this. With no protection of intellectual property laws, valuable ideas are kept secret through guilds and lineages.
Anyway just a few thoughts.
LS
This "nerd" moniker is just a lighthearted way to describe the site's content, and not a damn religion or species. I'm sick of everyone creating a specific "nerd" classification that every reader of Slashdot must be part of otherwise they have no right to an opinion. Humans are more complex and varied than that. There is no such think as a "true nerd", so go shove it.
I have a computer science degree, been reading slashdot since the mid-90s, and run an internet company - I have several characteristics that you would probably call "nerdy", but I do not believe myself to be a "nerd". I also have a hot girlfriend, go out partying regularly, play sports, have lots of friends that know nothing of tech.
By the way this video is stupid as hell.
LS
This is a very valid point. Once any type of material is censored (yes, I said censored - not only the government is capable of censorship), you've lost your ideals and are pandering. People say that porn and other shock video would ruin youtube, but why couldn't they just add a "safe search" or default safe mode to the site just like they do with their web search engine?
Perhaps there is a market niche for an unfiltered site or site with selectable filter levels. Youtube reminds me a little too much of the real boob tube with all of its rules.
LS
FYI:
Youtube is currently NOT bocked in China.
What a bunch of random bullshit! You apparently pulled a bunch of guesses based on misconceptions out of your ass, and the moderators appear to have agreed.
I've lived in China for over 3 years, using the same SSH tunnel the entire time. In addition, there are too many people in China to monitor their browsing habits. What they actually care about is what you are saying (e.g. on blogs), and then only if your words get more than a certain amount of traffic.
Enough with the misinformation. Just because you speculate that something is done because it would be the "smart" thing to do, doesn't mean it's happening.
LS
...faggot.... Fuck you .... PHP sucks dick
Unlike the grandparent poster, you have clearly made the point that indeed it is YOU who are the clear and rational one.
How exactly is this insightful?
How about rebutting his points? They are actually quite valid in contrast with the the sea of PHP haters.
PHP has it's problems but it's quite well suited for a certain set of tasks.