No, I don't believe there's a recourse for me to recuperate my legal expenses. That's the problem with the system; you either spend a ton of time fumbling through the halls of power, contact your ombudsman, or hire a lawyer to do the work for you. It's definately skewed against the common folk.. The lawyer in Kitchener was actually pretty helpful and probably spent more than just two hours of his time following up on it.
Please post the CBC link if they pick up on your story. I admire your determination, I wish more people would have the same conviction as you. All the best to you.
BTW, I also wondered if the content you had on your mobile devices was indeed deleted, or perhaps they would have been a way to recover it?
Hey friend, you only have two options: - Internal affairs, after filing a complaint - get a lawyer, but only after trying the first option
You did the right thing. They do need a warrant and they do have to provide their names and/or badge numbers when you request it.
I was stopped once in Kitchener and the guy was giving me grief for no clear reason ("Why are you driving here at 2am? ", after dropping my friend off). I asked for the badge number since I was going to file a complaint, since I didn't appreciate him insinuating that I was doing anything illegal. He got pretty pissed and said that he was going to take me in for being belligerent. I told him that it would be his word against mine, and if he felt the need to arrest me to go ahead, I wasn't going to spend any more time arguing with him (plus I didn't want the guy who beat me senseless in an empty street). He told me to watch my mouth next time and to not to try looking suspicious next time. I got his plate and the vehicle number. Filed a complaint and then used $300 of my OSAP money to get a lawyer to follow up. I got a letter with an apology from the supervisor and the officer who stopped me three weeks later. That's good enough.
I always took my example from dad, he spoke to a cop like any other civil servant. If you're not a criminal there's no reason to fear a cop; they work for us, not the other way around. I don't provoke them, but do try to stand my ground. 99% of the time a cop will back off if they feel you're going to put a spot on their file. Like yourself, it helps to know what a cop can and cannot do.
In Toronto (the city and North York) my experience has been good so far, they seem to be okay towards me. In Markham I haven't had any encounters (yet).
Actually, they could all be against sharing and downloading: nothing in their stance says "we think it's OK for you to download music without paying for it." What they've said is that they think the RIAA lawsuits are wrong, which is a totally separate issue from whether you think downloading music is morally wrong or right in the first place.
I illustrated that a band member had some very strong views (in the past) about people downloading. He equalled in the past with theft. Thiefs get arrested. What would he want now if someone downloaded his whole album?
So the RIAA are crazy from their point of view. I agree. But they don't say what civil lawsuits or criminal charges they approve when someone is caught distributing their songs online. There is copyright legislation in Canada and I'm certain its consequences to the perpetrator can be as bad or worse than the financial losses from a RIAA-style suit. My question about this hypocritical press release, is if they are against RIAA-style lawsuits, are you (the artists) still in favour for the 5 year federal prison term or your ability to launch civil suits? They're just saying, when the RIAA does it over the top, but if we do it then it's cool.
Hypocritical as well, because I don't see them removing themselves from the RIAA oras protest, and not cashing in the checks from all the times their songs get played on the radio. Or smashing the gold or platinum records. No, the RIAA still does them a whole world of good.
Hell, are they giving back the money they received from the CRIA for the CDR-levies? Or removed themselves from the CRIA altogether? That's not clear either.
It's the typical superficial PR response from a group that has already made a few millions from the benefits of the a big-label who wielded a big stick and has been found guilty in price-fixing. It's the big label that they gave them the exposure they're garnered to this. Not the 1 minute at Speakers Corner years ago.
Now before anyone goes apeshit: it's their work and they should defend it. No questions asked. Use or abuse the law as it's written.
Why didn't they speak out 18 months ago at the height of the lawsuits? The RIAA have taken a battering in the media, so now they're easy prey.
From this article. I remember reading this in the Toronto Star as well, which I haven't forgotten since:
The Barenaked Ladies' Ed Robertson also wades in with, "I'm totally fine with people downloading music, as long as they steal everything that they want. If you want pants, go steal them. If you need gas in your car, you should steal it, because you can. As long as people are consistent I don't have a problem. As long as they see themselves as thieves in general then I don't mind if they steal everything that they like. But it irks me that it's only okay to steal music."
So at least one of them is against sharing/downloading.
Their last ("You forgot it in people") album had a limited initial run with the copy protection. When the band found out they put a stop to it. See this link for an interview excerpt. Mind you, they're the biggest act on Arts&Crafts' label so that probably had a huge influence too.
I actually bought the copy-protected one (which wasn't labeled as such) and the label offered to replace it. HMV wouldn't.
Didn't Churchill have nightmares for years for knowing about the impending bombing of Coventry and having to sacrifice those lives in the hopes of changing the tide of war?
Not saying that you're right, but sometimes the costs can be massive for the greater good.
That's a pretty good idea, like a driving moderation system kinda like/.
One hit wouldn't mean anything, but two or more should get the attention of the cops.
Hmmm... heck, just a website were people could complain and enter a license plate would be good enough. If the site sees the same plate several times, they should intervene. Mind you, the complaint needs to be verified to reduce potential abuse.
Not that I'm avid gamer myself, but don't some games need a serial in order to play online or connect to server (RCTW for example)? That's what stopped me a couple of times: how do I know that the guy who sold the used game to the store isn't still playing it and using the key?
But then again, the last game I bought was Medieval Total War. Black/White and NFS: Hot Pursuit were let-downs.
I agree, Rogers is doing for another reason: being chummy with the CRIA.
Rogers needs content. It can only provide it by being friendly with the media industries.
On USENET you can get movies, music, images, tv shows and even comic books!
They do not want to be liable because in Canada, you can download legally (for now). Their tech department does not want to censor the feed or does not know how to.
Bandwidth and/or cost is not a concern. They wish to play nice with the media industry.
The next Lucas box-set will include a 30 minute segment where Picard and Ryker assist a ghostly Anakin (post-ROTJ) in making sure that Ben Kenobi makes it to his Jedi Starfleet Academy Acceptance exam on time(pre-PM). It will feature knee-slapping exchanges between Data and R2D2's circuit board.
And this will be just after the battle on Hoth, before Han Solo and Jar Jar go to the cloud city to seek help from Ming.
I have one of the Namco ones, and I've had it for about a year and play 1-2 hours a week, still with the original batteries (regular energizer). So, it doesn't seem to suck a lot of juice.
I believe by making the C64 and its SID audio chip open source it would benefit a lot of households in the US, Canada, Mexico, and Iceland that do not have a home computer.
With the dedication, foresight, and marketing-savy of the Open Source Developer Community they could create new custom applications for the C64 such as HDTV media centers, 24-track mixers, webmail appliances, state firewalls, and of course bioryhthm generators. These are elusive markets that have escaped Microsoft, OS/2, United Linux and the fairly-sucessful BeOS.
By using the powerful processor and the ability to POKE and PEEK values in the registers directly, highly efficient code could be generated which would allow us to wrestle away from the stranglehold that Gateway and Alienware have on the blade server market.
They probably said the same thing about the American natives in the 1800s. Or the Armenians in Turkey. Or the Jews in Germany. Or the Palestinians in Israel. Or the Christians in East Timor. Or the Muslims in the USA.
I don't think that's what he means. Of course the binaries have (even greater) value.
It just makes distribution/packaging a lot simpler. Sell the DVD with the Win version that contains all the game data, but makes the executable for other OSes free. So if you want to run it on Linux, you can download the binary, but the levels/textures can only be obtained on the DVD.
Otherwise they would have to ship Win, OSX, Linux, Unix, Alpha, etc all with their own packaging. Probably with Linux users, the audience is much smaller that it doesn't warrant the creation of new packaging, etc. Win folks will get their packaging, MacOS will because instructions may differ and this group wants the glossy manuals, but Linux-heads will just want to play the game and will usually be a lot more computer-savyer than the average gamer (my opinion).
It's very impressive and all, but how is this going to benefit me down the line? It's not like they're affordable to small/medium businesses like the Cray or HP's highly valued Alpha DEC workstations.
We are stiffling progress at the lower level by pricing these systems well beyond the reach of the average researcher or multi-national oil conglomerate.
Excellent Risk-knockoff. I remember waiting for midnight so that I could be the first to log in and unleash my newly-adquired armies onto the other players.
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No, I don't believe there's a recourse for me to recuperate my legal expenses. That's the problem with the system; you either spend a ton of time fumbling through the halls of power, contact your ombudsman, or hire a lawyer to do the work for you. It's definately skewed against the common folk.. The lawyer in Kitchener was actually pretty helpful and probably spent more than just two hours of his time following up on it.
Please post the CBC link if they pick up on your story. I admire your determination, I wish more people would have the same conviction as you. All the best to you.
BTW, I also wondered if the content you had on your mobile devices was indeed deleted, or perhaps they would have been a way to recover it?
Hey friend, you only have two options:
- Internal affairs, after filing a complaint
- get a lawyer, but only after trying the first option
You did the right thing. They do need a warrant and they do have to provide their names and/or badge numbers when you request it.
I was stopped once in Kitchener and the guy was giving me grief for no clear reason ("Why are you driving here at 2am? ", after dropping my friend off). I asked for the badge number since I was going to file a complaint, since I didn't appreciate him insinuating that I was doing anything illegal. He got pretty pissed and said that he was going to take me in for being belligerent. I told him that it would be his word against mine, and if he felt the need to arrest me to go ahead, I wasn't going to spend any more time arguing with him (plus I didn't want the guy who beat me senseless in an empty street). He told me to watch my mouth next time and to not to try looking suspicious next time. I got his plate and the vehicle number. Filed a complaint and then used $300 of my OSAP money to get a lawyer to follow up. I got a letter with an apology from the supervisor and the officer who stopped me three weeks later. That's good enough.
I always took my example from dad, he spoke to a cop like any other civil servant. If you're not a criminal there's no reason to fear a cop; they work for us, not the other way around. I don't provoke them, but do try to stand my ground. 99% of the time a cop will back off if they feel you're going to put a spot on their file. Like yourself, it helps to know what a cop can and cannot do.
In Toronto (the city and North York) my experience has been good so far, they seem to be okay towards me. In Markham I haven't had any encounters (yet).
Actually, they could all be against sharing and downloading: nothing in their stance says "we think it's OK for you to download music without paying for it." What they've said is that they think the RIAA lawsuits are wrong, which is a totally separate issue from whether you think downloading music is morally wrong or right in the first place.
I illustrated that a band member had some very strong views (in the past) about people downloading. He equalled in the past with theft. Thiefs get arrested. What would he want now if someone downloaded his whole album?
So the RIAA are crazy from their point of view. I agree. But they don't say what civil lawsuits or criminal charges they approve when someone is caught distributing their songs online. There is copyright legislation in Canada and I'm certain its consequences to the perpetrator can be as bad or worse than the financial losses from a RIAA-style suit. My question about this hypocritical press release, is if they are against RIAA-style lawsuits, are you (the artists) still in favour for the 5 year federal prison term or your ability to launch civil suits? They're just saying, when the RIAA does it over the top, but if we do it then it's cool.
Hypocritical as well, because I don't see them removing themselves from the RIAA oras protest, and not cashing in the checks from all the times their songs get played on the radio. Or smashing the gold or platinum records. No, the RIAA still does them a whole world of good.
Hell, are they giving back the money they received from the CRIA for the CDR-levies? Or removed themselves from the CRIA altogether? That's not clear either.
It's the typical superficial PR response from a group that has already made a few millions from the benefits of the a big-label who wielded a big stick and has been found guilty in price-fixing. It's the big label that they gave them the exposure they're garnered to this. Not the 1 minute at Speakers Corner years ago.
Now before anyone goes apeshit: it's their work and they should defend it. No questions asked. Use or abuse the law as it's written.
Why didn't they speak out 18 months ago at the height of the lawsuits? The RIAA have taken a battering in the media, so now they're easy prey.
From this article. I remember reading this in the Toronto Star as well, which I haven't forgotten since:
The Barenaked Ladies' Ed Robertson also wades in with, "I'm totally fine with people downloading music, as long as they steal everything that they want. If you want pants, go steal them. If you need gas in your car, you should steal it, because you can. As long as people are consistent I don't have a problem. As long as they see themselves as thieves in general then I don't mind if they steal everything that they like. But it irks me that it's only okay to steal music."
So at least one of them is against sharing/downloading.
link
Their last ("You forgot it in people") album had a limited initial run with the copy protection. When the band found out they put a stop to it. See this link for an interview excerpt. Mind you, they're the biggest act on Arts&Crafts' label so that probably had a huge influence too.
I actually bought the copy-protected one (which wasn't labeled as such) and the label offered to replace it. HMV wouldn't.
SUM, sorry, please replace "right" with "wrong" in my post and in your mind.
Didn't Churchill have nightmares for years for knowing about the impending bombing of Coventry and having to sacrifice those lives in the hopes of changing the tide of war?
Not saying that you're right, but sometimes the costs can be massive for the greater good.
Thanks for the info, I'm installing it now. It looks pretty interesting.
That's a pretty good idea, like a driving moderation system kinda like /.
... heck, just a website were people could complain and enter a license plate would be good enough. If the site sees the same plate several times, they should intervene. Mind you, the complaint needs to be verified to reduce potential abuse.
One hit wouldn't mean anything, but two or more should get the attention of the cops.
Hmmm
Not that I'm avid gamer myself, but don't some games need a serial in order to play online or connect to server (RCTW for example)? That's what stopped me a couple of times: how do I know that the guy who sold the used game to the store isn't still playing it and using the key?
But then again, the last game I bought was Medieval Total War. Black/White and NFS: Hot Pursuit were let-downs.
I agree, Rogers is doing for another reason: being chummy with the CRIA.
Rogers needs content. It can only provide it by being friendly with the media industries.
On USENET you can get movies, music, images, tv shows and even comic books!
They do not want to be liable because in Canada, you can download legally (for now). Their tech department does not want to censor the feed or does not know how to.
Bandwidth and/or cost is not a concern. They wish to play nice with the media industry.
I'm switching, because I love USENET.
I hate when people say something is useless but don't offer alternatives. He says it's good for local login, but not remote. Fair enough. Now what?
/.ers wish to chime in?
The man-in-the-middle scenario that he describes has been known for a while and even discussed at RSA conferences.
What other alternatives are there for remote logins? Any
The next Lucas box-set will include a 30 minute segment where Picard and Ryker assist a ghostly Anakin (post-ROTJ) in making sure that Ben Kenobi makes it to his Jedi Starfleet Academy Acceptance exam on time(pre-PM). It will feature knee-slapping exchanges between Data and R2D2's circuit board.
And this will be just after the battle on Hoth, before Han Solo and Jar Jar go to the cloud city to seek help from Ming.
So the parent was right.
AOL also exists in Germany. Heck, they even have a stadium of one the bigger soccer teams named after them.
I find it lidicrous how people making 100000$ or more a year, just canot spell or at least use the spelchecker.
It's a disgracement.
I have one of the Namco ones, and I've had it for about a year and play 1-2 hours a week, still with the original batteries (regular energizer). So, it doesn't seem to suck a lot of juice.
I believe by making the C64 and its SID audio chip open source it would benefit a lot of households in the US, Canada, Mexico, and Iceland that do not have a home computer.
With the dedication, foresight, and marketing-savy of the Open Source Developer Community they could create new custom applications for the C64 such as HDTV media centers, 24-track mixers, webmail appliances, state firewalls, and of course bioryhthm generators. These are elusive markets that have escaped Microsoft, OS/2, United Linux and the fairly-sucessful BeOS.
By using the powerful processor and the ability to POKE and PEEK values in the registers directly, highly efficient code could be generated which would allow us to wrestle away from the stranglehold that Gateway and Alienware have on the blade server market.
Which is nice.
Oh sorry. I switched to decaf yesterday.
Bad time to stop sniffing glue, too.
They probably said the same thing about the American natives in the 1800s. Or the Armenians in Turkey. Or the Jews in Germany. Or the Palestinians in Israel. Or the Christians in East Timor. Or the Muslims in the USA.
Look at your property tax bill (in Ontario) about a third of your taxes go towards the school board. Even if you don't have kids in school or whatnot.
Same with the Healthcare premiums. You may not even have a family doctor or been sick in years, but you gotta shell out for it.
Don't get me started on EI. What a federal sham. They now have a multi-billion dollar surplus.
Not fair. True. Some people always end up paying for other people's stuff. Happens in most places in the world.
I don't think that's what he means. Of course the binaries have (even greater) value.
It just makes distribution/packaging a lot simpler. Sell the DVD with the Win version that contains all the game data, but makes the executable for other OSes free. So if you want to run it on Linux, you can download the binary, but the levels/textures can only be obtained on the DVD.
Otherwise they would have to ship Win, OSX, Linux, Unix, Alpha, etc all with their own packaging. Probably with Linux users, the audience is much smaller that it doesn't warrant the creation of new packaging, etc. Win folks will get their packaging, MacOS will because instructions may differ and this group wants the glossy manuals, but Linux-heads will just want to play the game and will usually be a lot more computer-savyer than the average gamer (my opinion).
It's very impressive and all, but how is this going to benefit me down the line? It's not like they're affordable to small/medium businesses like the Cray or HP's highly valued Alpha DEC workstations.
We are stiffling progress at the lower level by pricing these systems well beyond the reach of the average researcher or multi-national oil conglomerate.
Why is this?
I'm sure Sal wished he was "mirrordotted" right now.
/.ed before. So Sal gets around.
He's been
Excellent Risk-knockoff. I remember waiting for midnight so that I could be the first to log in and unleash my newly-adquired armies onto the other players.
Fun.