I too have built tens of systems, most don't have issues if done right (main issue is heat still, some times due to airflow or dust collection). And a Barton based dualie is on my list of things to built, pending budget allocation, hehehehe. And most of the Socket A ones I've had issues with are older Socket A's and because of that, I've stopped testing my luck with newer ones, even if the issues have been solved (similar to that old saying...).
I'll eventually open my heart....er...wallet back to AMD though the best is to be able to open to both ^_^
actually, the core protection is because OEMs asked for it. They are the ones who have to worry the most about crushed core syndrome since it hits their bottom line.
And if you've ever REALLY looked at the cpu's sponge thingies, some times it can be uneven and since they sponges aren't stiff enough, it acts like independent suspension; it can tilt.
As for the minority crack, try applying that logic to pharmaceuticals or cars for that matter. Sure, maybe ephedra didn't kill too many ppl if you consider 6 billion in the world.
I have had more, including the dead ones. The Slot A and my K6-3 are the only ones that have lived.
The cartridge made the Slot A more rugged and durable and easier to control. It's weird that AMD didn't find an alternative cartridge method to solve the cost issues of the cartridge based cpu's. One possible way is to have a cartridge that takes socket cpus so the consumer has only one cartridge to get and it makes certain that the cpu is protected; no need for the motherboard to have throttling features as the cartridge will do it. Plus if cartridges can be customized, more cache, dual socket, etc. And added benefit is dust protection (or pet hair).
I don't overclock. Just don't have the budget to go refrigeration. ^_^
One of the last athlons (XP chip) that died on me, also took the board with it.
And this isn't an isolated issue. I've seen SO many people have issues with AMD's especially with heat. (hell, both the super 7 based K6-x's and the Slot A Athlons are better in terms of reliability) Even people who have their system built professionally or a store bought brand (HP, Dell, Gateway, etc.) have had heat issues.
BTW, my K6-3 computer is still running (it's also slightly underclocked), 24/7 and I love it (the board's got 2MB of L3 cache). Now that's something that Intel never did. See, it's not that AMD's technical stuff is bad and neither is Intel, it's just the bureacracy that makes things bad.
sorry, I don't overclock. (not even with my new P4). I have had 6 Athlons and a Duron, from Slot A to Socket A (Tbird and XP). The only ones still alive are my Slot A's (which I think r0x) and my XP, due in part because the retailer I got it from was the one who issued the warranty. And I mostly buy boxed versions (except for one of my Slot A's and the XP that came with 3yrs of retailer warranty) and for the record, the socket A's had stock heatsinks while the Slot A, I used one of those huge alpha 7125.
too bad that the damage has been done before AMD finally released a more promising cpu with an integrated heatspreader (to prevent crushed core syndrome). That and AMD's not so good track record with warranty (I've been burned twice for several cpus; once for each cpu and twice for each time I had the hair-pulling warranty experience), I've become what I call the fallen one for I have gone to the darkside.....gone to P4's. And man, I've thrown just about everything except the kitchen sink at it and it's still tickin'.
As for the newer warranty bullcrap about thermal grease, that's like adding concrete to AMD's already nailed up coffin. The last GOOD athlon was the slot A, I still have a few that run just fine.
Now, before ppl start trying to kill me, just remind yourselves, how many AMD cpus have you killed? And yes, performance per clock cycle wise, AMD's kick arse and then some but what good is performance if it's more fragile than a paper chain tethering a bull in a china shop? If it's dead, performance....well... is non-existent. And the warranty policy about thermal grease and non-stock heatsinks, well...that's just bs.
Besides, I like my P4 that has thermal throttling that works and responds fast to the temp.
Of course, I don't plan to abandon AMD cpus forever; I'm just more cautious and less enthused about new products. (I still have my dual athlon XP->MP (Barton core) project in the works but it's been slow).
All this coming from who my friends called the AMD nut. Well...not any more. It's all fair game now (maybe except Via's). Hell, I've love to have that P4 3.2 with the 2MB of L2 cache.
It's all about the benjamins. Consumers don't want to spend that much and Microsoft, like always overcharging.
Why can't these manufacturers do what Sharp did to their Zaurius line; use Linux. It kills 2 birds with one stone; affordable tablets and stiffs microsoft.
if there ever was a committee to investigate soft-money/politican corruption, guess which three ppl will be first?
Well, I'm gonna need to re-sharpen my pitchfork and refuel my flaming torch, heavy use on SCO has worn it down a bit. Good thing is...it won't rust if I keep using it like this. Bad thing is, I'll have a pitch-stick and a smoldering hand.
so in essence, I was still correct in stating that this tzero-whatever wasn't the fastest electric car in the world. (maybe for the "consumer" market though the price tag makes it so only a select few can afford it)
well....it's kinda hypocritical.....since SCO's own tactic IS a form of terrorism so in essence, SCO is a terrorist organization funded by another big terrorist organization, M$.
Hell, just ask any of the variou companies that sell Linux based products. SCO is attempting to bestow fear among their customers in order to disrupt normal economic growth and it's funded by an organization that fears Linux.
The last movie I actually watched that starred her was Leon (aka The Professional). She's beautiful, smart, and best of all, a brunette and not a blonde.
(And no...I didn't watch any of the new Star Wars...and I think I'm lucky).
reminds me of the Iraqi "Information" Minister. "What Americans? There are no American troops on Iraqi soil"
Also good to note that Linux patches have been kicking more ass than Windows EVER will, from back in the day with the port 139 "bug" (Linux patch was out within hours, Windows, took ALOT longer for obvious reasons) to any in the unforeseen future.
Hell...I think Ol' Gatesy is mistaken; bugs that are intentionally placed in software in order to patch and call it an upgrade, well....they don't count.
In essence, since the Recording Industry Ass. of America and it's partner in crime....er...film, the Motion Picture Ass. of America are against P2P, that would make 'em a terrorist organization (not that we didn't know this already).
Hopefully, Ashcroft will beat the snot out of the RIAA and MPAA for being pro-terrorism since for hell sure he ain't gonna do it for them being the latest, next-generation mafia families (techno-mob).
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Hope that was a general remark.
I too have built tens of systems, most don't have issues if done right (main issue is heat still, some times due to airflow or dust collection). And a Barton based dualie is on my list of things to built, pending budget allocation, hehehehe.
And most of the Socket A ones I've had issues with are older Socket A's and because of that, I've stopped testing my luck with newer ones, even if the issues have been solved (similar to that old saying...).
I'll eventually open my heart....er...wallet back to AMD though the best is to be able to open to both ^_^
that with the stock heatsink?
(as for the 64bit thing, I do agree....just not stoked about it)
actually, the core protection is because OEMs asked for it. They are the ones who have to worry the most about crushed core syndrome since it hits their bottom line.
And if you've ever REALLY looked at the cpu's sponge thingies, some times it can be uneven and since they sponges aren't stiff enough, it acts like independent suspension; it can tilt.
As for the minority crack, try applying that logic to pharmaceuticals or cars for that matter. Sure, maybe ephedra didn't kill too many ppl if you consider 6 billion in the world.
Words to think about.
I have had more, including the dead ones.
The Slot A and my K6-3 are the only ones that have lived.
The cartridge made the Slot A more rugged and durable and easier to control. It's weird that AMD didn't find an alternative cartridge method to solve the cost issues of the cartridge based cpu's. One possible way is to have a cartridge that takes socket cpus so the consumer has only one cartridge to get and it makes certain that the cpu is protected; no need for the motherboard to have throttling features as the cartridge will do it. Plus if cartridges can be customized, more cache, dual socket, etc. And added benefit is dust protection (or pet hair).
I don't overclock. Just don't have the budget to go refrigeration. ^_^
One of the last athlons (XP chip) that died on me, also took the board with it.
And this isn't an isolated issue. I've seen SO many people have issues with AMD's especially with heat. (hell, both the super 7 based K6-x's and the Slot A Athlons are better in terms of reliability) Even people who have their system built professionally or a store bought brand (HP, Dell, Gateway, etc.) have had heat issues.
BTW, my K6-3 computer is still running (it's also slightly underclocked), 24/7 and I love it (the board's got 2MB of L3 cache). Now that's something that Intel never did. See, it's not that AMD's technical stuff is bad and neither is Intel, it's just the bureacracy that makes things bad.
sorry, I don't overclock. (not even with my new P4).
I have had 6 Athlons and a Duron, from Slot A to Socket A (Tbird and XP). The only ones still alive are my Slot A's (which I think r0x) and my XP, due in part because the retailer I got it from was the one who issued the warranty. And I mostly buy boxed versions (except for one of my Slot A's and the XP that came with 3yrs of retailer warranty) and for the record, the socket A's had stock heatsinks while the Slot A, I used one of those huge alpha 7125.
too bad that the damage has been done before AMD finally released a more promising cpu with an integrated heatspreader (to prevent crushed core syndrome). That and AMD's not so good track record with warranty (I've been burned twice for several cpus; once for each cpu and twice for each time I had the hair-pulling warranty experience), I've become what I call the fallen one for I have gone to the darkside.....gone to P4's. And man, I've thrown just about everything except the kitchen sink at it and it's still tickin'.
....well... is non-existent.
As for the newer warranty bullcrap about thermal grease, that's like adding concrete to AMD's already nailed up coffin. The last GOOD athlon was the slot A, I still have a few that run just fine.
Now, before ppl start trying to kill me, just remind yourselves, how many AMD cpus have you killed? And yes, performance per clock cycle wise, AMD's kick arse and then some but what good is performance if it's more fragile than a paper chain tethering a bull in a china shop? If it's dead, performance
And the warranty policy about thermal grease and non-stock heatsinks, well...that's just bs.
Besides, I like my P4 that has thermal throttling that works and responds fast to the temp.
Of course, I don't plan to abandon AMD cpus forever; I'm just more cautious and less enthused about new products. (I still have my dual athlon XP->MP (Barton core) project in the works but it's been slow).
All this coming from who my friends called the AMD nut. Well...not any more. It's all fair game now (maybe except Via's). Hell, I've love to have that P4 3.2 with the 2MB of L2 cache.
It's all about the benjamins. Consumers don't want to spend that much and Microsoft, like always overcharging.
Why can't these manufacturers do what Sharp did to their Zaurius line; use Linux. It kills 2 birds with one stone; affordable tablets and stiffs microsoft.
I feel like I just won the lottery, except it might be better since tax code on compensation is different I believe.
the spam cash cow has finally come MY way.
(now I can buy solid gold pitchforks and flaming torches)
too bad they don't have a DVD-ROM version, weighing alot less.
and ppl wonder why California's education system is so crappy.
if u are using aol and u'r reading /., u need to seek medical help immediately.
in essence, the two should never be mixed, like mixing bleach and ammonia in a not-so well-ventilated room.
if there ever was a committee to investigate soft-money/politican corruption, guess which three ppl will be first?
Well, I'm gonna need to re-sharpen my pitchfork and refuel my flaming torch, heavy use on SCO has worn it down a bit. Good thing is...it won't rust if I keep using it like this. Bad thing is, I'll have a pitch-stick and a smoldering hand.
'cuz I'm glad X10 got sued for pop-unders but not glad that the plaintiff is supposedly the "creator" of pop-unders.
The solution? Bring pitchforks and flaming torches to both. 'nuf said.
so in essence, I was still correct in stating that this tzero-whatever wasn't the fastest electric car in the world. (maybe for the "consumer" market though the price tag makes it so only a select few can afford it)
I believe this isn't the fastest.
There was an electric car powered by 1000's of sub-C NiMH batteries called White Lightning II and it hit the mark at just a tad above 245MPH.
here's a linkie http://www.dwra.net/settingrecords.htm
well....if money was no object, u might want to get one of
These UltraTrax 15000 enclosures takes up to 15 IDE drives, RAID's them and u can connect to it like a SCSI device, getting the best of both worlds, with the price of small one.
The enclosure itself (which has the controllers in it) is about 4000$ and the lowest I've seen was in the 3300-3400's range. And that's without the drives. Just imagine sticking in 250GB drives.
well....it's kinda hypocritical.....since SCO's own tactic IS a form of terrorism so in essence, SCO is a terrorist organization funded by another big terrorist organization, M$.
Hell, just ask any of the variou companies that sell Linux based products. SCO is attempting to bestow fear among their customers in order to disrupt normal economic growth and it's funded by an organization that fears Linux.
that is true...but nowandays, the so-called politicians/diapers come pre-soiled.
I guess I have to watch it.
The last movie I actually watched that starred her was Leon (aka The Professional). She's beautiful, smart, and best of all, a brunette and not a blonde.
(And no...I didn't watch any of the new Star Wars...and I think I'm lucky).
The glass is half full....the glass is half empty.
Some many see it as SCO having money to sue IBM, I see it as SCO having money TO BE sued.
Now, we can ALL sue SCO for a piece of that $50 million pie.
the one that'll make even the skinniest person look like the michelin guy?
reminds me of the Iraqi "Information" Minister.
"What Americans? There are no American troops on Iraqi soil"
Also good to note that Linux patches have been kicking more ass than Windows EVER will, from back in the day with the port 139 "bug" (Linux patch was out within hours, Windows, took ALOT longer for obvious reasons) to any in the unforeseen future.
Hell...I think Ol' Gatesy is mistaken; bugs that are intentionally placed in software in order to patch and call it an upgrade, well....they don't count.
ewww, ewww, ewwwwwwww!
MoFoQ stops poking SCO with his pitchfork and starts jabbing dubs.
Though the Natalie Portman portion is making it less heinous. Hell....I'd rather see Natalie fully clothed in a big bulky winter coat than watch dubs.
In essence, since the Recording Industry Ass. of America and it's partner in crime....er...film, the Motion Picture Ass. of America are against P2P, that would make 'em a terrorist organization (not that we didn't know this already).
Hopefully, Ashcroft will beat the snot out of the RIAA and MPAA for being pro-terrorism since for hell sure he ain't gonna do it for them being the latest, next-generation mafia families (techno-mob).