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New P2P Battle is Heating Up
Digital Dharma writes "News.com has an article about a new P2P war just getting underway in congress. With Senator Hollings retiring, the RIAA and MPAA have found suitable replacement hosts in three key members of the House of Representatives. Lamar Smith, R-Texas; Howard Berman, D-Calif; and John Conyers, D-Mich are taking up arms against P2P networks with a bizarre new bill that would require companies that create certain types of software such as web browsers, instant messaging clients and e-mail utilities to add a warning that it 'could create a security and privacy risk.' How this would deter P2P activity is a bit of a mystery. The article also talks about putting software company executives in jail for failing to correctly label said software, empowering the FBI to release anti-P2P propaganda and other typical RIAA/MPAA sponsored oddities." A network application can create a security risk? Best firewall off every port!
Whose going to buy Interent Explorer when it becomes correctly labeled. Woudl you buy an application labled as "utter shit"?
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
I believe p2p is the future. Copyright issues aside, I doubt I'm the only one that's noticed that there are some downloads that are getting extremely large. Maybe it's a game demo, a movie trailer, or a software upgrade. How often has it happened that some thing comes out like, say, a Matrix trailer or a new game mod and people swamp the main server and mirrors alike to download it? Why else would recent Slashdot articles on popular downloads be linking .torrent files?
The problem is further escalated by the fact that the ranks of broadband users are growning every day. I hear that Verizon is wanting to dump somewhere around 11 billion dollars into their network to ensure that all of their customers are able to get DSL, and they have lowered their prices across the board...You can now get 1.5 down/128 up for a flat $30/mo, similar to what SBC's been offering. With all this broadband around, popular web sites will not be able to keep up, expecially if they have downloadable goodies. The answer is distributed computing. p2p represents the infancy of the inevitibility of distributed storage, processing, and bandwidth.
You can bet you sweet patootie that there's an exclusion for M$!!!!!!!!!!
I Am Currently Broadcasting An Internet IP Address!
/me shoots computer
"People are violating copyright on the internet?"
"Pass a law banning Collies and Yorkshire Terriers from public areas!"
Stupid gits.
We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
I BETTER see one of these warnings on the outside of a M$ OS box!!
Web browsers, instant messengers, and basically every other thing you use to do anything on the internet is going to give you one of those warnings. So pretty much everyone is going to be constantly assaulted by these messages and therefore get used to them and start to ignore every message like that they see. Not only will this NOT deter people from using P2P programs (since they'll just ignore the message anyways), it's DANGEROUS since they'll ignore warning messages that actually have some meaning behind them.
Yeah, this sounds like a great idea.
-- Dr. Eldarion --
People in (government) power usually have very little idea as to what there doing when they make legislature about technology. For example, most slashdotters could have told them the DMCA was a bad idea, especially the way it was written. But the legislatures only listened to what the big corporations wanted.
M$ Lawyer: But `gcc
...firewall off the entire United States, like they've done with Red China? I live outside the US and the odds of my complying with this asinine request are about...zero!
America we hardly new ye!
You're using her as bait, Master!
I wonder how many useful things these senators could get done if they didn't have to worry about this PESKY, EVIL p2p menace.
Go pass a bill that outlaws Disneyland or something, how many people must suffer in heated mouse suits? FREEEEEDOM!
and this warning of security risk / privacy concern is accepted, will this give a free ticket for those in the industry, so strongly opposed to p2p usage, the ability to enter into those poorly protected machines to seek evidence of illegaly p2p usage?
Wow! Stop the presses, this is a big shock. In 2004 here's the synopsis on how much milk each of these candidates sucked from the Entertainment titty. (They open in a new window).
Lamar Smith received a little over $21,000 from the TV/Music/Music lobbies in 2004
In 2002 he received almost $25,000
Howard Berman received a little over $4,000 from the TV/Music/Music lobbies in 2004
In 2002 he received almost (can you believe this?) $223,000!
John Conyers received almost $5,000 from the TV/Music/Music lobbies in 2004
In 2002 he received almost $50,000!
The ROI on congressional payoffs is insanely high..
Don't laugh -- many incompetent managers think this way. I am sitting behind a firewall that blocks all outbound traffic, with the exception of ports 80 and 21. This, I am told, will help prevent viruses from entering the network. Moreso, I might add, than any kind of coherent patching strategy.
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Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
How about forcing companies to add this warning to, say, ANY software that could, you know, create a security and privacy risk?
No, that's just crazy talk.
Heh, is this some kind of guerilla warfare?
maybe the congress should fine Darpa for funding the creation of TCP/IP too.
These kind of laws are showing how the government has always treated citizens, with mistrust. They are doing more for copyright protection then they are for things like healthcare, it really shows their prorities.
-Seriv
Now, give people free content without restrictions and you have something that everyone wants. Why are search engines the most popular websites? because the user types in what they want and gets it. From a users point of view, kazaa is the same as google except you can get everything that you cant get on google - its like the too hot for google channel. Are you seriously telling me that people dont want to be able to download all the music, films, porn, software, games, books and southpark they want for free!?!?! get real!
The only things that might kill p2p filesharing as we know it are:
Governments (well in the UK anyway) are pushing broadband for all sorts of PHB reasons like "education" and obviously the ISPs - AOL etc are gonna try and sell it. Sen. Hollings is even for it. The absolute irony here is that the very same people who are pushing broadband so they can sell content are the same ones who will be fucked out of their money by filesharing! its brilliant, serves them right for their evil DRM plans.
...and John Conyers...
Have you seen this boy?
It's a good thing the senate doesn't apply this warning to every piece of technology. Pretty soon we might wind up putting warning stickers on telephones and whatnot
That'll help, what do you think a firewall is?
I'd think that firewall's would fall into this same category.
No Comment.
The way it would create a security and privacy risk is that you would be at risk because your privacy would be interrupted by Ashcroft's stormtroopers weilding the DMCA in their hand. They would put your personal security at risk by opening a can of Patriot Act whoop ass. That's how.
No trees were harmed in the composition of this; however, numerous electrons were inconvenienced.
And what else floats on water ?
A Duck..."A DUCK!"
"Exactly! Soooo . . . "
" . . . If she weighs . . . as much as . . . a duck . . . "
"Yes?"
"Then she's made out of wood . . . "
"And therefore . . . ?"
" . . . . A WITCH!"
"A WITCH!"
"BURN THE WITCH!"
"BURN HER!"
"To the scales!"
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
Most software already comes with various warnings attached, so I don't see the fundamental problem of showing them more prominently. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that a web browser (or any network-related software for consumers) exists for which this warning is unjustified.
(Obviously, there is no P2P connection at all. That is just Slashdot spinning.)
... that fail to label "copy protected" CD's properly. It's simple fraud (you're not buying a "CD" per se), plus, with some schemes, it's outright vandalism.
I believe it is our fate to be here. It is our destiny. I believe this night holds for each and every one of use, the very meaning of our lives. This is a war and we are soldiers. What if the Prophecy is true? What if tomorrow the war could be over, isn't that worth fighting for? Isn't that worth dying for?
I have over 70 freaks, do you?
Since this measure would apply to all developer-provided software dealing with network traffic, I'd be less likely to write my own network-enabled (read: internet-enabled) software.
Perhaps this is the point of the bill: to keep software writing in the hands of those rich enough to hire a group of lawyers who can keep away other lawyers.
Please, do keep in mind that this IS America. You know, that place that has safety labels on laundry detergent that say "Not for oral consumption."
Of course, then again, we all know that thousands of people still die every year from a nice warm class of bleach. Don't quite see how Internet Explorer can cause people to die. Well, on second thought...
Trent Polack
www.polycat.net
That'll teach 'em!
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
Trying to get enforcement on privacy and security warning "stickers" seems a great legal maneuver, for them. The MPAA and RIAA have already expressed a great desire to freely snoop on our P2P activity and the contents of our hard drives. This measure is a step toward getting the Feds to recognize these actions as legitimate. Or, at least to get laws in place that don't allow the MPAA and RIAA to be sued over violating our security and privacy in their attempts to big brother the P2P networks.
Same goes for IM. THe only port they can connect on is through the secure port 443. Of course none of the employees have quite figured this out so I am the only one that can IM with outside people. Rendevous only works on the internal network so they can only chat with other employees.
I guess I may be one of those "Pointy Haired Bosses", but we're a small shop and cannot afford to have someone download a warezed application then get busted by the software wannabe police & music police. One employee had about 6GB of mp3's they had downloaded on company time. Plus we're not paying people to chat with friends. Funny how project completion times went up after I disabled the port.
If we were not in graphics & printing, then I would have Linux thin clients that would give empolyees access to only what they need.
With such a warning, maybe some would heed it. I don't think many would, but some might think twice about it
Yes I am an ass about our technology policy, but coming from a technology security background, I am not going to take stupid risks when things can be made reasonably secure.
"The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
as a safety precaution as soon as I'm done with this post I will smash my network card, router, and cable modem.
Goodbye Internet I am now safe from you.
It would set 1,000-year mandatory jail sentences for members of congress who become pawns for multi-national mega-corps, spouting out ignorant and inflamatory propaganda to please their campaign-financing Masters.
Anyone care to sponsor?
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Gee, and just when I thougth the *AAs were finally going to stop this kind of point less and dangerous crap.
Maybe they could have put that money to better use, like suing file traiders.
A network application can create a security risk? Best firewall off every port!
Whoa, and a firewall is a network application too! Better shut that one down at once.
That bill sounds like horseshit, horseshit, horseshit, and horseshit.
For those of you who don't know, that's shit that comes from a horse!
Not a mystery to me!
By saying that this product that you're willfully installing has a "privacy risk", you're saying you don't mind if the product compromises your privacy.
It's a legal loophole that could allow the RIAA/MPAA to install plugins that will monitor you at your machine. After all - you agreed to it when you installed the software. You said you didn't mind if your privacy was compromised.
This one is very sneaky. I'd never install anything that told me it might compromise my privacy.
Weaselmancer
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
How this would deter P2P activity is a bit of a mystery.
Is it any more of a mystery than the belief that spying on every American citizen will deter terrorism?
Forget the RIAA and MPAA, it's the sticker companies that are lobbying for this. They are bound to make millions of dollars off of a contract with M$.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." [Thomas Jefferson]
they also want your guns. Then again, so does George I'll sign the "assault weapons" ban Bush.
>> utilities to add a warning that it 'could
>> create a security and privacy risk.'
The only way that will be accurate is if it is placed on the Windows splash screen.
poorly written network software creates security risks. The only vector, aside from infected floppy's, cds, and dvds, for trojans, worms and viruses is network applications...
l8,
AC
i love how michigan, the state of nothing.. loves to jump in on this shit
They are not going to be happy in the US until we legislate innovation away and give all the technology jobs to asia.
Then the question will be "Why do they have all that cool stuff in India" (should one actually hear about it on the murdoch monopoly press) and the answer will be "Well, it is illegal here. That stuff is dangerous anyhow, you don't want any of that! Here, use our products."
When Smith, Berman, and Conyers are up for re-election, ballots papers should give a warning against them:
This is what happens when there is no incentive whatsoever for legislators to understand technology
But a very high incentive for legislators to "do things" related to technology
Reefer Madness! Stop the P2P insanity before your children become godless open source socialists! FIrst free music, then free love. Then, before you know it, they will be rejecting the corporate values that make our society great! The values of profit and greed! Anything for a buck, reality is what I say it is and to hell with the rest of the world! Just like God intended!
(for those of you a little slow today and before I get accused of being flame bait, this is sort of a 'toungue in cheek' rant).
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
Now if we can just give P2P software the equivalent of Canadian cigarette warning labels everyone will understand what a terrible thing copyright infringement is.
From the Article
Mitch Glazier, the RIAA's senior vice president and lobbyist, says "notice is a good idea, and quite frankly, P2P services ought to be doing it voluntarily...So, we support the chairman, we like the concept--but agree that it is overly broad in its current form."
How bad does it have to be for the RIAA to think it's too broad? That's like Rush Limbaugh saying [insert name here] is too conservative.
People's desire to believe they are right is much stronger than their desire to be right.
A network application can create a security risk? Best firewall off every port!
Aside from ports 80, 443, 25 and 993, that's what I do. And use a statefull firewall for all outgoing traffic.
If we would simply produce a P2P app. that was easy to use and popular, then this would be a non-issue. This would ensure our privacy and rights. Additionally, how could P2P be regulated if no-one knew the content of transfers? Without entrapment or illegal snooping it couldn't. It's time for a good encrypted P2P client so we can maintain our privacy.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - The Celtic - =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Looking at the big picture, I'm wondering if this is the first step in making it so that the RIAA has the legal authority to break into your system?
Weren't they talking about this a while back?
'could create a security and privacy risk.'
In other words, don't be surprised when someone (read: RIAA) has been snooping on your activities in said program.
Who doesn't like free music?
This would be funny if they were not going to debate and try to implement this with public money. It also assumes that most people read the EULA and other text when instaling, as opposed to Next,Next,Next,Next,...Finish! On the plus side it does stop them doing anything more dangerous or stupid. It infact is a good distraction for the ".gov". Does anyone think that at the end we will have enough law to not need anymore?
You only have yourselves to blame for this. The only greedy and evil person here is you with your "fr33 WARZ33!!!!1111" and no respect for the law or copy rights. You chosed to abuse this technology and look at what it is leading to and had lead to: DRM in your computer, DRM with HDTV, DRM with other devices, DRM with music, software that needs to be activated and traced by their owners, the DMCA, having even less control over software, etc.
So continue downloading your Matrix, Half-Life 2, and full albums from your favorite artists because it is too late to fix the damages you have caused.
Require Microsoft to allow users to control each executable image's access to networking.
Application XYZ has requested permission to use TCP/IP on port 80. Do you accept? [Yes] [No] [Never allow this application's networking requests]
Let's post a similar warning in front of Capitol Hill.
Anyone know if this bill has a name yet? The article doesn't mention it, just that they've drafted the bill. I want to write my congresscritter and complain but I'd rather have a specific bill to refer to rather than "that one bill those three stupid guys came up with" since that doesn't narrow it down much.
that Distopian crap the Hollings wanted to push through.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
I had a few extra minutes on my hands today so I snuck a peek at the website in question. Wow. I've got to agree with the anonymous coward. The problem wasn't so much horrendous spelling -- just the most awkward business writing I've ever seen.
From the company's website:
This would be an ethical company that offered great service at a reasonable price and made the services of competition seem as worthless overpriced ash.
Uhhh... WTF!?! Seriously, man, the page is riddled with shit like this. I am totally in favor of cutting of IM'ing at work. Except in the case of your company. It looks like they could stand to re-learn how people ACTUALLY WRITE.
Support independent artists and boycott RIAA products!
As far as file sharing, I have no problem with my household teenage unit enjoying free music. Given the typical bitrate of the tunes she's downloading, there's very little difference between P2P music & taping off the FM radio. OTOH, all that garbage that her favorite P2P software installs with itself is EVIL.
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
Nice darko reference.
Even better because the bribe numbers are from 2004.
fnord
The key word here is not "security", it's "privacy". Here's what this bill really means:
In the current 9 year-old suing world of the RIAA, victims are found by firing up Kazaa (or Grokster or [insert your favorite gnutella-like p2p client here]) and seeing who is sharing and who is downloading. The "who" is given by the IP address of the P2P client computer. Now.. that doesn't really do the RIAA any good because they cannot sue an IP address. So they bully smaller, weaker ISP's into giving out their private customer information. Thus an IP address leads to a name.
Here comes the problem. Some ISP's aren't buying it. Some are saying "our customer privacy is more important than your rampage". This bill makes it so that the clients have "agreed" that they are not annonymous, and that the federal government has the right to grab your personal information and hand it over to the RIAA as they see fit (or just allow the RIAA to grab the now-non-private personal information directly from the ISP). What's more, you cannot counter-sue for privacy infringment because you've agreed to this (since you're using this software that has these statements embedded, and it's all part of the EULA).
At least two of them make sense...
Howard Berman, D-Calif; = Movie Industry Lackey
John Conyers, D-Mich = Recording Industry Lackey
But who's paying for this guy?
Lamar Smith, R-Texas;
Guys, I know we love to bash MS here, but lets keep in mind that most linux distribs are download only, and therefore will also carry the label. Redhat's update software...thats a risk, gentoo's emerge process...thats a risk. Lets not turn this into a MS bash, that's not what its about.
If you think $ companys like MS are gonna let this go through, you are dead wrong. MSs contribution to the GNP last year is about 10x the contribution the entire RIAA made to the GNP. MS alone has deeper pockets than the RIAA, and there is no way this will pass.
More than one entity can lobby their cause. You may want to bash MS, but in the end of this one, and HR2572, you have companies like MS to thank for your privacy.
Too bad redhat, or gentoo, or any other linux company couldn't support the cause eh? It doesn't matter how open-source you are if you can't support your own cause.
No way this one passes...ever.
p.s. The linux bash was just a counter to the M$ bash, I don't actually believe that.
Ah screw it, you're not paying attention anyway.
Many people here are angry that our Congress can enact legislation such as this when it is completely outside of its power to do so. They are angry that "big business" is controlling politics, but what these slashdotters don't see is that they are just as responsible for this tilt in the balance of power as "big business."
First of all, when you ask government to intervene in any issue, you will have to expect unintended consequences of that action. Most of the time those consequences happen years if not decades later. Why are you against the DMCA, but for government intervention of Microsoft? Why are you against the lengthening of copyright owners protection, but for unconstitutional policies such as the Civil Right acts and the Americans with Disabilities Act? Government doesn't protect any individual -- all of these policies are to do one of two things: to restrict the rights of certain individuals at great expense (in order to gain votes from certain fewer individuals), or to compensate a small group at the financial expense of a larger group.
No law that either liberal or conservative slashdotters tend to support will really help the country as a whole -- it will only support those who have their hands in politics. Even the McCain-Feingold laws that restrict campaign financing only go to hurt the independent parties, and help the duocracy that exists today in our two party system.
Both parties hate you. Both parties will never help you. Both parties cater to huge political groups of people who care about one issue alone, even if the much larger population cares little about that one issue.
Stop voting Democrat or Republican! They're both trying to control you by taxation, restricting what you can do, and by increasing the costs of goods you buy. They both are inflating our currency to the point of devaluation (our dollar is worth 98% less than it was 80 years ago). They are both eating more and more of our income in hidden ways so that we're poorer than our parents were at the same age.
Any group that supports government internvention in ANY issue is guilty of destroying the power of individuals to make choices. The Democrats, the Republicans, the Greens. Whether its social issues, moral issues, or just sound-bite issues, you're losing more and more of your ability to vote with your buying power, and gaining more and more responsibilities for other people who you have no reason to support.
Why can't we just start voting NO to each and every politician who wants to solve some problem? Vote for a politician who wants to downsize government. Programs such as Downsize DC are great ways to start.
You've made your bed, and you've made my bed. You chose to sleep in it, but why do I have to? You sowed your seeds of responsibility-for-others, why do I have to reap what I don't want?
a bizarre new bill that would require companies that create certain types of software such as web browsers, instant messaging clients and e-mail utilities to add a warning that it 'could create a security and privacy risk.' How this would deter P2P activity is a bit of a mystery.
It is possible that this is meant in part to help RIAA attack users' machines through the P2P medium... if everyone accepts the risk, the RIAA could claim that this is a sort of consent to allow projected electronic damage by those running the software, or at least an acknowledgement that it may happen. I know it is a stretch, but why else would the RIAA push for this?
This seems to be a very rare issue where Democrats and Republicans are all over the map. Republicans traditionally are rabid about property rights, but in this case they hate Hollywood, while Democrats who normally support the little guy, get a lot of support from Hollywood and believe in some "intellectual-property economy" crap. But I would venture that most politicians have no fucking clue how they feel about stuff like this and unless we get to them before the money does, laws like will happen (DMCA anybody?). Or we can just take the money out of the system: Boycott RIAA Lawsuits and tell them to shut up.
Isn't MS's Groove a P2p app? do they really want to risk loosing MS lobby money?
Don't Tread on OpenSource
in a.d. 2003
new p2p war was beginning
[DIGITAL DHARMA] we get link
[SLASHDOT] what !!
[COWBOYNEAL] main screen turn on
[LAMAR SMITH, R-TEXAS] how are you gentlemen !!
[LAMAR SMITH, R-TEXAS] all your network application are a security and privacy risk.
[LAMAR SMITH, R-TEXAS] you are on your way to a warning label.
[SLASHDOT] what you say !!
[LAMAR SMITH, R-TEXAS] you have no chance to get this into the mainstream press make your time.
[LAMAR SMITH, R-TEXAS] ha ha ha ha
[SLASHDOT] take off every "online petition"
[SLASHDOT] boycott "riaa"
[SLASHDOT] for great justice
The larger problem is that I can't find any authority for Congress to do this. Until the federal government stops usurping and centralizing power, there will always be the threat of these types of shenanigans.
Don't vote for the lesser of two evils. Vote third party; vote the Dems/Reps out. But by all means get out and vote - don't stay home! That's exactly what the incumbents want.
Constitutionally Correct
That will be all.
From the language of the article this seems like an odd bill. Basically they are forcing you to give a warning that things may be insecure, while allocating large amounts of funding for advertisements to make you afraid of things that "may be insecure."
It's easy to see how this could be used as a tool against unpopular sites much in the same way that the DMCA's takedown notices are used now. Even if you have a warning you could always be attacked for not warning someone "enough."
What intrigues me more are the educational provisions. That represents something new in the sense that the bill hopes to attack the culture of filesharing rather than the filesharers themselves. Perhaps they've concluded that threatening peple with lawsuits won't work unless those people already live in fear of such things. In some ways that worries me as much as the notice provision.
Given that the portfolio is "Coming Soon", the fact that the "Proofreading Services" paragraph had three typos, and the utterly brilliant meaningless name of "problem-solution.biz" (could we be more 1998?), I had to assume this was an impressive parody.
If not, I'm very, very sad that these idiots managed to get their hands on enough money to start a business.
All's true that is mistrusted
I'm surprised that the candidates aren't all Republican.
Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your whole life. Something's wrong with the world. You don't know what, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.
For those of you who's network admins disallow P2P software or who just like the smell of fresh ink on a CD insert, try this. It's a web site that lets you create an office-wide music, movie, and book library. It keeps track of who owns what and who borrows what. We've been using it at my work for awhile now, mostly for technical books, DVDs, and PS2 games.
Agreed, firewall off every port. I'm sick of all the worms that crawl through irresponsibly managed computers. Apps with security holes are setting up PCs on broadband as spam relays, DoS drones, and other blended threat tools.
Many current P2P, email, and instant messaging apps are security risks, and cause problems for naive Internet users (i.e., the vaste majority). Those insecure apps, quite simply, pose a risk to network security, privacy of the end-user, etc. They should be behind firewalls. I find no rational reason to disagree with those stated intentions for the bill, aside from FUD relating to the RIAA's intentions and long-term goals for their puppets.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
add a warning that it 'could create a security and privacy risk
Hell, they should stick that on every bootable windows cd.
slashdot, news for crazed liberal socialist zealots
this is scary stuff!
Man, I'm going to block all my ports right now, starting with port eigh
Error!
No route to host on Port 80
Connection timed out
For those of you who haven't noticed yet, the way to get a crazy ass bill like this passed is to make the first draft lean insanely toward your side. Then as you make changes and cuts to please your opponents, what's left over is what you intended in the first place.
You look like the good guy for "fixing" the bill while still getting exactly what you wanted. How many times have we seen people say things like "I'm so glad so-and-so grew a brain and fixed that crazy bill/policy/rule/whatever" and then later realized it was still a piece of crap when finished?
I believe that this warning if is the first step in allowing the MPAA/RIAA to prosecute users without due process.
"Mr. User... you clicked 'ok' on the warning pop up implying that you consent to our bots snooping around you rcomputer. In addition, this consent also implies that you give your ISP permission to provide us with your account information. We'll send you more info in the mail. You will recognize it because it will look like a subpoena."
XOXO,
RIAA/MPAA
You'll go over my writing with a "fine toothcomb"?
What the hell is a "toothcomb"? Do you have hairy teeth?
Uh, just because you are communicating over 443 does not mean that your data is encrypted or secure in any way. You can set up a telnet server on 443, and it is no more secure than using the default port 23)
If you are running an unencrypted IM client over 443, then you will be running an unencrypted IM client over 443. There's nothing secure about it. You are a dumbass and a retarded admin.
Somebody mod the parent down, he ain't interesting or informative...
Now it is much harder for normal people to donate large amounts of money. PACs are not effected that much.
"Corporate, in their infinate stupidity decided that e-mailint EXE files, in any direction through our servers should not be allowed. Ok, so it stops a lot of the Outlook viruses, but it also stops us sending new builds of software between people in house, "
I don't understand. If your truly being stopped from mailing EXE files, why don't you just ZIP up the EXE files and then email them? Are ZIP files blocked as well or for some strange reason(Ie your software can filter through them and see the EXE's inside) or has nobody in the company heard or ZIP files?
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
You might want to spell/grammer check your website.
: //www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=w eb1913&Query=Coming
http://www.problem-solution.biz/port.html
http
Legal issues aside, p2p eats bandwidth for breakfast, and it never loses its appetite.
The burden of transfer may have been shifted from central servers to individual users, but it's still there. With p2p, the providers don't pay a cost, so they get lazy or greedy and start distributing bigger and bigger files, and the end users don't see the cost, because they pay a flat rate. The ISPs get hammered by this unbridled, unrestricted, unprofitable use, as people find newer and better ways to exploit their "endless" bandwidth. Unfortunately for everyone, they tend to try to "solve" this problem with litigation and intimidation rather than placing explicit limits or billing by use.
It's like roads. If you build more roads, that are bigger, and faster, and don't cost anything to run on, it doesn't ease traffic for long because pretty soon more people will be driving on them, more often and for longer distances, for free, until it's at the barely tolerable point and requiring lots of tax dollars just to keep it moving.
Don't believe me? Typical streaming video kps for files has ballooned from 30 to 500kps in a matter of years, with your typical 25minute anime episode being 175mb in size - regular tv episodes are even larger, and movies are generally about 700mb each. Imagine how that will be as people start demanding HD quality and start recording them onto DVD-R instead of CD-R. 320kps mp3s are commonly distributed, and non-lossy but poor-compression formats are being embraced. Companies are encouraging video mail and chat. Games are going increasingly online.
Right now we're in a pre-commercial stage of video on demand, and it's already become painfully obvious how ill-prepared even the fastest broadband ISPs are to support the cost of transferring all that data. Colleges are increasingly unwilling to put up with the endless and expensive tide of non-academic traffic eating up literally all of the bandwidth, and are capping and closing ports right and left.
Know this: there will NEVER be bandwidth too cheap to measure. Media files will simply get larger to accomodate greater resolution, and services will communicate more traffic.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
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(This is part of the new M3 Moderation system, for people who can't M or M2 Moderate.)
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Funny, because he didn't even win the first term. I wonder how he'll pull that off a second time.
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I think I can safely say that this one will get the message out about as effectively as the government's drug ads. Lord knows all my friends stop passing the bong around when a drug PSA comes on. So I can't wait to see the throngs of kids who suddenly stop (or start) doing P2P because the government feels the need to release a "The More You Know" ad in the middle of Saturday morning cartoons.
The big problem with giving your citizens freedom is - you cant control what they'll actually do with it
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You know, they might create a decentralized p2p network or something
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
Making all programs tell people there is a security risk will allow them to put backdoors in the programs to delete illegal/pirated material.
It's kind of a nice way to say that using this product has no garantee that your data is safe from RIAA.
Well that's my paranoid opinion.
I'd be curious to find out how much money has been deposited into the re-election accounts for these three. Maybe the people in each state affected should write and find out. It's a sad thing to acknowledge the death of a democracy...especially when it's being replaced by government by the highest bidder.
Well, when you see that the supporters of this bill span parties the natural reaction is to become "suspicious". Glad to see that our lawmakers have better things to do than balance the budget or find ways to keep people from bringing knives onboard planes.
At least we know prostitution is legal at the Federal level!
"Best firewall off every port!"
Captain: Take off every 'zig'
BenBoy
I want a *Secured* P2P client. What I mean by secure is that it searchs only the 5 or 6 computers that I tell it to. Think friends and family only plus six degrees of freedom outlook. I want to only let my direct family or friends search or download by box. This would be a very very short list for me under 20 boxs computers. But I wouldn't have to worry about copyright and who was searching because every single person searching or downloading my machine, I know. The same would apply the other way as well. I might have only 20 contacts, but my brothers would have about 100 each. My mom most likly only 5 or so. Anyone that searchs the box that hasn't been expressly granted permission is hacking and is a terrorist that needs to be jailed and fined for every attempt to gain access to my or a family members box! Ok. I could see that working against me as well. The big threat to P2P is that you don't know who is searching your machine and downloading files. Actually, I'd be happy to burn family members CD's rather than P2P. At home, I'm on a 56K line. (Only option which really sucks.) It would be nice of having very very limited extended family or extended friends search. I would not want anyone downloading though from my machine with out my express permission. Maybe a system that I search one hop away through friends and family, but any downloads have to be downloaded by the family memeber or friend that they *trust.* O.k. maybe it would be a download request on my part that my friends and family could look at. If they want to download or introduce me to the person that has the information that I want ok.
Is there a system already like this?
Perhaps if I was a cattle rancher I might need a program that could log cow shit and udder status. Oh you said "utter?" - Well then never mind.
Because I don't want to spend minutes each day clicking away nasty popup-menu's as a citizen of Europe. Leave us out of your nasty DMCA-rules please :=)
So....I guess they have to build in some code which checks the regional settings of your country: "if uRegionalSetting == UNITED_STATES { doPopup(); }"
And now for something completely different (R): did anyone know you can change your regional settings to match the country you are in ?
Slashdot: stuff for news, nerds that matter, matter for news, stuff that nerd
"...empowering the FBI to release anti-P2P propaganda and other typical RIAA/MPAA sponsored oddities."
Why should the FBI doing the RIAA/MPAA's job? Aren't they supposed to be working for the people, not the companies? All of the money the gov ends up spending trying to police / regulate Joe Sixpack is going to cost the rest of us more in the end.... And I do mean "in the end!" They are bending us over left and right, and at this rate, I think we are all starting to enjoy the penetration.
This P2P war is a lost cause, like the war on drugs and the war on terrorism. Knock it off!!! Why didn't the FBI start policing the RIAA/MPAA when they started setting up their price schemes? Why is it ok to steal from Joe Sixpack, but it's not ok for Joe to get his?
s a m @ s a m m o r r i s o n . com
Dropdown bookmark toolbar as well as sidebar,
built-in Google (or other) search bar,
automatic popup blocking with whitelist,
tabbed browsing (plus advanced tabs extension should you desire it)
Perhaps you've given Firebird a shot already, but if not I'd recommend it. I'm running 0.6 (Phoenity Neo theme - cleanest look out there), and the only downside is Flash/SHockwave & possibly Java can be a pain to plug in, which you might not even consider to be a drawback.
Your brain is not a computer.
Will slashdot ever drag itself into the year 2003 and provide the ability to edit posts?
This isn't going to happen. It would be far too easy for the trolls to drag us all into the depths of -1. For example:
1. Post a genuinely insightful comment with a link to an interesting website.
2. Wait for the comment to be modded to +5.
3. Edit the link so it points to goatse.cx.
They wouldn't even need to edit links - just change the text to something trollish. Also what do you do about m2?
PRODUCTIVITY!
At NeXT(once upon a time) and Apple if you think IIRC and IM, respectively, are disabled you're too dense for light to pass through.
The point of interviews is to hire people with intergrity and passions about what they want to bring to a company, not just technical buzzwords.
Most skills are learned on the job.
Make it a simple rule:
Download MP3s and your As Will Employee Status is terminated.
Offer a Server that runs solely for the purpose of people to store MP3s, locally and for the staff to hear.
Have a rotation, every hour of music that gets piped, in the background, of employees choices.
Let the staff get exposed to a variety of music, legally and internally.
Cap the user account to 100 MB since you have OS X and I presume you are running NetInfo and NFS. Any UNIX system has these capabilities. NetInfo's key/value pairing relational database design allows managing user accounts more easily than grinding away at Terminal.app.
Switch to Postfix for mail services and filter cap attachment sizes requiring special priviledges to have them increased. Purchasing Panther gives you this out-of-the-box.
Monitor your outgoing transmissions daily and look for trends.
But don't be a DICK and make everyone, but yourself, be a slave to your business.
Talent comes out when people know self-discipline and are given the liberties shown that they are respected for their skills whether they be technical and/or social, in general.
Once more, stop being a DICK!
the RIAA and MPAA have found suitable replacement hosts in three key members of the House of Representatives. Lamar Smith, R-Texas; Howard Berman, D-Calif; and John Conyers, D-Mich
Within 2 years tops the public can show their appreciation for these new overlords by voting for the Independent Candidates.
"Paybacks uh motherfucker!" - Wise old proverb
-1 Overrated (Too many big words for me to comprehend)
Since IE is so tightly integrated, won't this mean a big "Installing this software could be a security and privacy risk." whenever you install Windows?
That would be hi-larious.
Then again, any time I apt-get something I'll have to see the same warning.
'could create a security and privacy risk.' OH MY GAWD, the l33t hax0rs are going to steal my credit card off my computer and use it to subscribe to jap scat and hamster pr0n sites!!!!!!1111
This is my signature.
what is a "toungue" and what is it doing in your cheek?
Why is the author trying to claim a bill that forces sw makers to warn people about security and privacy risks in internet products has anything to do with an anti-p2p campaign? He has no evidence to support this claim and fails to understand the connection himself. Therefore, isn't it reasonable to assume that there is no connection between this bill and anti-p2p, and that instead, there is an entirely different sinister agenda to attack software makers.
FREENET
Anyone recommend a good open sourced BT client for Windows? I used to use PTC, but that dosn't work on Win98 anymore. I tried BT++ and while I don't mind taking a cut in download speed, that program ignored my upload speed setting.
It's strange how you were able to measure "project completion times went up after [you] disabled the port." According to the front page of your company's web site, "Frank C. Bailey and Kirk A. Fickert founded this company in October 2003." What the hell kind of projects are you guys working on to have so many completed in the first couple weeks of your company's existence?
and we should also put warnings on keyboards that if the keys are removed they could present a choking hazard. and put warnings on food, that it could be a choking hazard. things that come in cans, of course, would also have to have a warning about dropping them on your toes. and lets not forget, we need to put warnings on all of our blankets too, just in case people thought they couldn't strangle themselves in their sleep.
maybe we should have a window pop up every time you click on a hyperlink that not only tells you that you've just done something, which may or may not change something on your computer, but it also could be logged, and perhaps you might even go to some other website than the one you were just at!! and mice should have warning labels on them, too. You never know when somebody might get a little too enthusiastic with that ol' double-click and go and break a nail or something...
we should put warning labels on our teeth, too. and on trees. every tree needs a warning label that informs people of all the possible damages done by a falling tree. and fences need warning labels, just in case someone thought of riding a motorized scooter into one. and we should label all electronic devices capable of internet access as "terrorist." That would definitely improve the situation....
Stronger cockpit doors would have done NOTHING to prevent 9/11. The captain of the flight opened the door and came out when boxcutter blades were held against the necks of stewardesses. The cabin crew made two fatal errors because there had never been a hijacking like this before. Those errors were:
1. The hijackers wouldn't hurt the pilot or co-pilot because they needed them to fly the plane.
2. They hijackers intended to live through the experience.
We now know that neither of the above assumptions are true anymore, and the next time such a hijacking occurs passengers and crew may be murdered in the flight cabin, but the smart Captain will stay in the cockpit, hope they don't blow the door open, and get the plane down as quickly as possible short of a crash.
As for saying it's all the FBI's fault for not listening well enough that just goes to show that you have no idea of the total volume of tips and leaks the FBI gets. Many are bogus, intentionally false, or even true but never acted upon in the end. There is not the manpower sufficient to fully check them all out, thanks in good part to the demolition of our intelligence services under the previous administration that was more interested in FBI files on political enemies, rather than terrorists.
As for your second comment:
Your desire to implement Stalinist tactics is not a rational response
You, sir, are an idiot, a fool, and an asshole -- not necessarily in that order.
You are in idiot for ever making such a statement in the first place.
You are a fool for not knowing a thing about history and what life in Russia under Stalin in the 1930's and 1940's.
And you are an asshole for being such an idiot and fool in the first place to think that life in the United States today bears any relationship to life under Stalin 65 years ago. You insult the memory of those people who really suffered by claiming what is happening here is equivalently Stalinist.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
if there ever was a committee to investigate soft-money/politican corruption, guess which three ppl will be first?
Well, I'm gonna need to re-sharpen my pitchfork and refuel my flaming torch, heavy use on SCO has worn it down a bit. Good thing is...it won't rust if I keep using it like this. Bad thing is, I'll have a pitch-stick and a smoldering hand.
Kazaa the riaa's #1 target resides outside the United State's Jurisdiction. Software is created and released globally, just not in the United States. I hope kazaa refuses to add the warning message to show the ignorance of the politicians that have choosen to be pawns for the riaa.
No shortage of bootlickers in Congress, both Republican and Democrat. I'd love to see them all fired, and in many cases stuck in jail.
I this law is passed. I would like to be notified when I visit the riaa's website each time my cpu downloads an image from the riaa's web server.
once they ban p2p, the people will run underground nets illegally or start a new way to share.
then that method will get cracked down on, then another medium, then another, then another until you have an internet that isnt interactive anymore.
you'll have an internet that would be verisign's wet dream.
Greed has been rampant, it's the only reason piracy has been on the rise, and these monopolies want us to pay them 40 bucks for a cd no matter what. they dont see ap roblem with overcharging us, the see a problem with overcharging us and us not liking it, and basically they're screaming to the us govt and paying off senators that will make laws to force us into being controlled by the monopolies, thus the rich elite will have all the rights and the people will be stripped of most freedoms and forced to pay up, wouldnt be surprised if we were charged monthly to compensate for the RIAA's "recent losses" the economy is starting to resemble soviet russia's, and the leadership is resembling facism.
Land of the free my ass.
I've been called worse. "Sir" was unnecessary, I felt.
Here's where the lameness of your "spy-on-everyone" proposal shows up:
As for saying it's all the FBI's fault for not listening well enough that just goes to show that you have no idea of the total volume of tips and leaks the FBI gets. Many are bogus, intentionally false, or even true but never acted upon in the end. There is not the manpower sufficient to fully check them all out, thanks in good part to the demolition of our intelligence services under the previous administration that was more interested in FBI files on political enemies, rather than terrorists.
Read your own words, and then explain to me how syping on everyone is a workable option. Take your foot out of your mouth first, though.
While we're insulting each other, you might like to read the famous words of Stalin: "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." You're telling me that's not relevant? You must not live in America.
for selling us out (after trying them in a court of law). Once we publicly hang a few for treason against the people, it will stigmatize corporate sellout, and it will give us better politicians for generations.
eat shiat and bark at the moon
Recently frozen pizzas have gotten the warning: DO NOT EAT UNCOOKED
Some idiot must have tried to eat a pizza right out of the freezer.
John Susek
Hollings: "Me, me, me."
Smith, Hollings, Conyers: "Me too."
Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
The real issue with information society is that it evolves so fast, judges, deputies, lawyers and their kin have no clue about what a computer is and how it works.
It's just beyond their understanding.
So the real question is : is it normal that some people rule and dictate it a field they have no clue about ?
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Fight or flight its all the same
Live to die another day
--Ryan
Simple. If you want to be released from jail before life +90 years (or whatever stupid length US copyright is now) then you'd damn well better reduce the length of copyright! :)
Quizo69
Visceral Psyche Films
This is another thing added to my list of reasons I am glad I don't live in the US. Liberate yourselves and join the Rest of the World (soon to be a division of USA Ltd
-- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
This isn't a troll.
Flamebait maybe, possibly fallacious as an analogy, but troll?????
What a waste of mod points.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
The point is this: it was a sense of complacency on the part of the FBI and other federal agencies that led to gaps in intelligence - that, and outright political power plays characteristic of people more interested in building empires, than maintaining a secure nation. What the Fed has elected to do is to rely on the same kind of false assumptions that you've stated in your post. If you're a terrorist, and you know what's being monitored and how, you fly under the radar - just as they did with 9/11. No amount of TIA-type surveillance will stop (or even detect) someone, for example, from passing a note to someone else. It might slow things down a bit, but as we've seen, a certain degree of patience is not something that is lost on a group whose objectives are long-term and far-reaching.
I maintain that what Americans see isn's an increase in security, but an increase in the perception of security- unfortunately, with a corresponding loss of both their privacy, and their rights. The only way to prevent a similar event is to skip the technical sugar, get down in the trenches, and figure out what's going on.