I can testify to that. I live in Kansas. Its very hard to make it past the primaries if you are a Republican Pro-death, I mean pro-choice.
If any of them ever do, they will never get elected because Pro-Life republicans will vote for the independent candidate that is Pro-Life, even though they know it means a pro-choice Dem will get elected.
Abortion is a serious topic around here. Its more important that taxes to alot of people.
Wow, he got it up to the level of 1984 huh? Well, due to inflation rates that would be about half the size of the defense budget in 1984.
And a huge 3.7% pay raise? Thats almost higher than a yearly cost of living rate... especially in the year 2000. When I get a yearly 3.7% pay raise, I feel screwed, because it means I will be making the same amount as I did last year after the cost of living rises. Nevermind that this wasn't 3.7 every year. That was a one time raise.
I work on Defense contracts. I know first hand that the military diminished over the clinton era. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a left wing Clinton-blindfolded hippie, who only reads the media reports from CNN.
WOw, he got it up to the level of 1984 huh? Well, due to inflation that would be about half the size of the budget in 1984.
And a huge 3.7% pay raise? Thats almost higher than a yearly cost of living rate... especially in the year 2000. When I get a yearly 3.7% pay raise, I feel screwed, because it means I will be making the same amount as I did last year after the cost of living rises. Nevermind that this wasn't 3.7 every year. That was a one time raise.
I work on Defense contracts. I know first hand that the military diminished over the clinton era. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a left wing Clinton-blindfolded hippie, who only reads the media reports from CNN.
I found this on my l7s7a2 mainboard. It is a cheap one as well. I was able to solve the problem by installing a new driver for the NIC. By defualt, the one that WinXP installs has the zero problem.
"During the Clinton era it was acknowledged that Area 51 (Dreamland, Groom Lake, etc) existed. This was about the same time that Area 51 buffs reported a dramatic decrease in activity at and around the base. It was acknowledged in a very generic manner, but was acknowledged none the less.
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Thats because EVERY military base had a decrease in activity (and funds) during the Clinton Era.
In no way is ID a factor in my argument while I was arguing against the Evolution (or more accurately the origin of the universe). I was using the 2nd law of Thermodynamics to disprove your theory based on a closed system.
Then once that theory is discredited, I explained that ID is not a closed system, and therefor would not voilate the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.
Like I said, one has to give EITHER God OR the Big Bang the AUTHORITY over their belief system on origins. If they believed God used the big bang, than God has the authority in their beliefs. I also realize that people believe in a god and not in the bible. Anyone can believe in whatever they want. I can believe my shoe created the universe if I want to, and that the big bang was started by igniting a big odor eater.
Forgive me if I don't jump on the Einstein bandwagon, but I hear alot of what "Einstein believed" that turned out to not be his beliefs. Einstein mentioned alot of his hypotheses that people seem to take the liberty of saying "he believed in". It seems everyone wants Einstein on their side.
And yes, I have read the entire bible, cover to cover (although not in order). I believe that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." If you don't believe in the bible Literally, you don't believe in it PERIOD. It makes no sense to pick and choose which parts you like, and then say those parts are your authority.
For the record, many people who accept the big-bang, including world renowned cosmologist, also believe in a God.
well, I don't argue that most of them believe in a God. I can not respect a fence straggler who could believe in the Bible and believe in evolution. To me, thats like saying 1+1=2 while it also equals 3. They cannot coincide. One has to give either the big bang OR God as the authority over their beliefs.
From what I have read, the "peer review by experts" is highly biased and skewed toward their beliefs, while the data is not convincing by itself.
I think part of the problem is how the big-bang concept is popularized to the masses.
I think the problem is that the big bang concept IS popularized to the masses, when it can't be explained any better than: It just "happened". I realize its easy for me to say in the role of the pessimist.
But that's a pretty big hole to explain away. If all this was supposed to occur naturally, without any intelligent design, its tough to argue that something came from nothing.
How can there be no time before the big bang? Didn't something have to cause it to happen? It seems to me you avoid answering an impossible question by simply saying that you WON'T consider the time before it.
Again, thanks for pointing out my flaws in my arguing. In my mind, evolution is grouped together with the big bang theory, or any such theory where the universe came from. I group these together because they are contrary to my belief that God created the universe.
So when I said that "evolution" violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, what I should have said was this: Whatever "natural" occuring phenomena that is used to describe the origin of the universe (and is grouped with evolution, in my opinion) violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It violates it because it describes the universe suddenly gaining magnitudes of order, from which all the current entropy is occurring.
Yes, thank you for restoring me to my original point: evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
You see, for this closed system (which the universe must be, if there is no God) something would have to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Right now, as you so graciously pointed out, everything as a whole in this big closed system is gaining in entropy (or becoming disorderly).
The universe had to begin with order at some point. I submit, that order could never occur without being created that way.
Let me get this straight... the earth is gaining order, the sun is gaining more entropy than the earth is gaining order. So the entropy of the universe is increasing?
Your universe is pretty small man. Last time I checked the universe was more than just the sun and earth.
Good thing so much entropy is taking place in the universe, that we here on earth were able to evolve into such sophistication without breaking the overall swing of things.
This response is only valid if you are only considering Earth as the system. I am considering the Entire Universe is a closed system.
By the way, Ice crystals, left to themselves, melt, they don't create order. If they are exposed to cold they crystalize, yes, but they are exposed to another entity outside that closed system.
Yes, do you understand the difference between a closed and open system? Do you? I am very clearly arguing that a significant event took place outside the realm of science (created by intelligent design, an open system)
You try to call the Earth the system, however, I am not limiting evolution to earth(or the sun). I want the whole universe in my system. The theory that evelotution brought about the universe by no other cause than its own self can be nothing BUT a closed system (its EVERYTHING, the whole system). To argue that it is an open system leaves holes. If it were open, what is outside that system?
Actually, Mark was determined to be written less than one generation later if I recall correctly.
None of the gospels are thought to have been written after 70AD because they don't mention the fall of the Jewish Temple. Jesus was crucified around 32AD (or was it 36?)
Also, you have to understand that these were not just campfire stories that grandpa told over and over. It is my understanding that these words were memorized by multiple students whose task was to memorize them and pass them on. They spent countless hours doing this. Its not an old folklore kind of situation as you suggest.
Also, these written findings of the Gospels have been found spread all over by people who chose to write them later, and they have very very small discrepencies. When you compare the dozens (if not hundreds) of written accounts they can eliminate the assumption of errors.
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Why don't you give me something for free, and next time I come in the store you don't even have to talk to me.
You act like its a pleasure or something to have you constantly badgering us.
I can testify to that. I live in Kansas. Its very hard to make it past the primaries if you are a Republican Pro-death, I mean pro-choice.
If any of them ever do, they will never get elected because Pro-Life republicans will vote for the independent candidate that is Pro-Life, even though they know it means a pro-choice Dem will get elected.
Abortion is a serious topic around here. Its more important that taxes to alot of people.
If the presidency WERE to change hands, it would STILL not occur until January.
No really, my chair has to have a clear view... Can you please just move over one seat?
Yes, but it IS ebay, so don't forget the $20 shipping price to make up for the loss.
I have a 5504 ReplayTV that was "upgraded" to allow internet video sharing. sending/receiving shows is incredibly easy via www.poopli.com
With all the shows I have downloaded, I simply accept the transfer on my replayTV, and it is there the next day waiting to be watched.
Wow, he got it up to the level of 1984 huh? Well, due to inflation rates that would be about half the size of the defense budget in 1984.
And a huge 3.7% pay raise? Thats almost higher than a yearly cost of living rate... especially in the year 2000. When I get a yearly 3.7% pay raise, I feel screwed, because it means I will be making the same amount as I did last year after the cost of living rises. Nevermind that this wasn't 3.7 every year. That was a one time raise.
I work on Defense contracts. I know first hand that the military diminished over the clinton era. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a left wing Clinton-blindfolded hippie, who only reads the media reports from CNN.
WOw, he got it up to the level of 1984 huh? Well, due to inflation that would be about half the size of the budget in 1984.
And a huge 3.7% pay raise? Thats almost higher than a yearly cost of living rate... especially in the year 2000. When I get a yearly 3.7% pay raise, I feel screwed, because it means I will be making the same amount as I did last year after the cost of living rises. Nevermind that this wasn't 3.7 every year. That was a one time raise.
I work on Defense contracts. I know first hand that the military diminished over the clinton era. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a left wing Clinton-blindfolded hippie, who only reads the media reports from CNN.
I found this on my l7s7a2 mainboard. It is a cheap one as well. I was able to solve the problem by installing a new driver for the NIC. By defualt, the one that WinXP installs has the zero problem.
"During the Clinton era it was acknowledged that Area 51 (Dreamland, Groom Lake, etc) existed. This was about the same time that Area 51 buffs reported a dramatic decrease in activity at and around the base. It was acknowledged in a very generic manner, but was acknowledged none the less. " Thats because EVERY military base had a decrease in activity (and funds) during the Clinton Era.
no, I was still trying to figure out why he had 73 case fans.
I think you misunderstand my points.
In no way is ID a factor in my argument while I was arguing against the Evolution (or more accurately the origin of the universe). I was using the 2nd law of Thermodynamics to disprove your theory based on a closed system.
Then once that theory is discredited, I explained that ID is not a closed system, and therefor would not voilate the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.
If we're talking about evolution, what evidence do we collectively have of evolution anywhere besides the earth?
Good point! But we don't have undisputable evidence on earth either, so I guess we will have to disregard it there too.
Like I said, one has to give EITHER God OR the Big Bang the AUTHORITY over their belief system on origins. If they believed God used the big bang, than God has the authority in their beliefs. I also realize that people believe in a god and not in the bible. Anyone can believe in whatever they want. I can believe my shoe created the universe if I want to, and that the big bang was started by igniting a big odor eater.
Forgive me if I don't jump on the Einstein bandwagon, but I hear alot of what "Einstein believed" that turned out to not be his beliefs. Einstein mentioned alot of his hypotheses that people seem to take the liberty of saying "he believed in". It seems everyone wants Einstein on their side.
And yes, I have read the entire bible, cover to cover (although not in order). I believe that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." If you don't believe in the bible Literally, you don't believe in it PERIOD. It makes no sense to pick and choose which parts you like, and then say those parts are your authority.
For the record, many people who accept the big-bang, including world renowned cosmologist, also believe in a God.
well, I don't argue that most of them believe in a God. I can not respect a fence straggler who could believe in the Bible and believe in evolution. To me, thats like saying 1+1=2 while it also equals 3. They cannot coincide. One has to give either the big bang OR God as the authority over their beliefs.
From what I have read, the "peer review by experts" is highly biased and skewed toward their beliefs, while the data is not convincing by itself.
I think part of the problem is how the big-bang concept is popularized to the masses.
I think the problem is that the big bang concept IS popularized to the masses, when it can't be explained any better than: It just "happened". I realize its easy for me to say in the role of the pessimist.
But that's a pretty big hole to explain away. If all this was supposed to occur naturally, without any intelligent design, its tough to argue that something came from nothing.
How can there be no time before the big bang? Didn't something have to cause it to happen? It seems to me you avoid answering an impossible question by simply saying that you WON'T consider the time before it.
Ahh, ok, thank you. I think you are probably correct. I still don't really understand what the argument was though.
Again, thanks for pointing out my flaws in my arguing. In my mind, evolution is grouped together with the big bang theory, or any such theory where the universe came from. I group these together because they are contrary to my belief that God created the universe.
So when I said that "evolution" violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, what I should have said was this: Whatever "natural" occuring phenomena that is used to describe the origin of the universe (and is grouped with evolution, in my opinion) violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It violates it because it describes the universe suddenly gaining magnitudes of order, from which all the current entropy is occurring.
Yes, thank you for restoring me to my original point: evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
You see, for this closed system (which the universe must be, if there is no God) something would have to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Right now, as you so graciously pointed out, everything as a whole in this big closed system is gaining in entropy (or becoming disorderly).
The universe had to begin with order at some point. I submit, that order could never occur without being created that way.
Let me get this straight...
the earth is gaining order, the sun is gaining more entropy than the earth is gaining order. So the entropy of the universe is increasing?
Your universe is pretty small man. Last time I checked the universe was more than just the sun and earth.
Good thing so much entropy is taking place in the universe, that we here on earth were able to evolve into such sophistication without breaking the overall swing of things.
Who said anything about Earth. I'm talking about the UNIVERSE. It doesn't get more closed system than that.
This response is only valid if you are only considering Earth as the system. I am considering the Entire Universe is a closed system. By the way, Ice crystals, left to themselves, melt, they don't create order. If they are exposed to cold they crystalize, yes, but they are exposed to another entity outside that closed system.
Yes, do you understand the difference between a closed and open system? Do you? I am very clearly arguing that a significant event took place outside the realm of science (created by intelligent design, an open system)
You try to call the Earth the system, however, I am not limiting evolution to earth(or the sun). I want the whole universe in my system. The theory that evelotution brought about the universe by no other cause than its own self can be nothing BUT a closed system (its EVERYTHING, the whole system). To argue that it is an open system leaves holes. If it were open, what is outside that system?
Actually, Mark was determined to be written less than one generation later if I recall correctly.
None of the gospels are thought to have been written after 70AD because they don't mention the fall of the Jewish Temple. Jesus was crucified around 32AD (or was it 36?)
Also, you have to understand that these were not just campfire stories that grandpa told over and over. It is my understanding that these words were memorized by multiple students whose task was to memorize them and pass them on. They spent countless hours doing this. Its not an old folklore kind of situation as you suggest.
Also, these written findings of the Gospels have been found spread all over by people who chose to write them later, and they have very very small discrepencies. When you compare the dozens (if not hundreds) of written accounts they can eliminate the assumption of errors.