Mandrakelinux 10 Now Available To All

EvilAlien writes "Mandrakelinux has released the ISOs for Mandrakelinux 10.0. Mandrakelinux 10 is one of the first commercially available Linux distributions to feature the 2.6 kernel by default. As always, you can download the release via FTP or Bittorrent. Remember, if you use Mandrakelinux, join the club or buy a box to support them."

Comments

Excellent Distro!!!

[drsmack1]

I have upgraded from Mandrake 9.2 and I can say that this is the finest Linux distro made today. I bought Suse 9.1 and checked it out for a while; but went back to Mandrake. I am a club member and as such can easily install realplayer, flash, and Java right from pre-compiled rpms. URPMI keeps me coming back!

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[nocomment]

nooooo! I hadn't finished downloading it, great, there goes my downlaod speeds. Hey people! the swedish mirror is the fastest one! Go download from them, er I mean from here.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[MoonBuggy]

apt-get install foo

urpmi foo

So it looks like the Mandrake way takes less time to type, and is therefore easier :-P

Debian is superior in some ways, but for now I'm sticking with Mandrake and if you're going to shout the virtues of Debian I'd say you're best off sticking to things that Mandrake doesn't do in nearly the exact same way.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[nocomment]

With debian its even easier to install things with apt-get.

how is it easier to type 'apt-get install gnome' (as an example) over 'urpmi gnome'? It's just as easy. A little less typing the urpmi way. The cool thing with urpmi is rpm's are already compatible with it. urpmi checks the dependencies and then downloads those also.

I like debian, but it's no easier.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Spetiam]

...but does it have a Live CD sampler? I'd like to make sure Mandrakes inclusion of kernel 2.6 will work on my hardware before I go and download 3 CDs worth of data.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[MoonBuggy]

Use the torrents - lots of geeks on expensive synchronous connections are waiting to donate bandwidth to you :-)

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[zoloto]

too bad I'm not getting those "reaping rewards"

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[PReDiToR]

Use the torrents - lots of geeks on expensive synchronous connections are waiting to donate bandwidth to you :-)

Are there any geeks on expensive synchronous connections that can keep a tracker up long enough for us to use the Torrents?

I'm trying to grab them, but tracker down is the usual message.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Bullard]

how is it easier to type 'apt-get install gnome' (as an example) over 'urpmi gnome'?

Well typing-wise urpmi clearly wins (by about a second), but I'm afraid you picked somewhat poor example in Gnome since 1) Mandrake ships with Gnome so there's no need to go urpmi'ing it, and 2) I can not ever recall Mandrake releasing an upgrade for the Gnome they ship. My last info is that at Mandrake Gnome is still a one-man operation.

Debian unstable/testing OTOH gets a lot of up-to-date Gnome pumped around the network... ;-)

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[eltoyoboyo]

The pclinuxonline folks have, IMHO, a really good Mandrake live CD put together. You can find it here. They are currently working on the next release which is due...anytime... (They had put an ISO out on the mirrors, but then yanked it right away.)

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[croddy]

gnome 2.6 is still in experimental, isn't it?

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[wemgadge]

urpmi.addmedia waschk http://wwwra.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/Man drake/10.0 with hdlist.cz

to add Gnome 2.6 to Mandrakelinux 10

http://www.thebrix.org.uk/

is a site that lists all of the "nonofficial" RPM packager sites for Mandrakelinux

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[jd142]

but does it have a Live CD sampler?

Yes. Yes, it does. Mandrakemove is a cd distribution designed to specifically to run from a cd. Buy the boxed edition and it stores your settings on the included usb key.

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/mandrakemove/

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Use the torrents - lots of geeks on expensive synchronous connections are waiting to donate bandwidth to you :-)

Dude, I've been reading slashdot and its soviet russia jokes for too long. I read that as: ...lots of geeks on expensive synchronous connections are waiting to bandwidth you :-)

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Piquan]

Are there any geeks on expensive synchronous connections that can keep a tracker up long enough for us to use the Torrents?

I'm having no trouble with the tracker. I've got the download running as we speak. Not to sound condescending, but are you sure everything's okay on your end?

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Spetiam]

Unfortunately, it looks like that one is based on Mandrake 9.2, which, I'm guessing, doesn't have the same 2.6.?-?? kernel version that Mandrake 10.0 does, which is what I would need to test.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[TwinkieStix]

alias d='apt-get install'
alias m='urpmi'

There. Now they are the same length. Can't we all just get along?

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[alienw]

If you want a bleeding-edge, unsupported version of gnome, you can add a Cooker source and then you pretty much just do "urpmi gnome" to install the latest version of it.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Debian's package manager is bigger then some distros.

If you want the stardestroyer of package managers, then enjoy.

you apt-pinning, dselecting, aptituding, synapticing, pinnochio looking mother fuckers.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

But 'm' is stil faster to type than 'd' (m is closer to the space key which you need to type afterwards, you can do it by just taping m+space by one wet finger), so mandrake is light-years ahead of debian...

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[AhBeeDoi]

Use the torrents - lots of geeks on expensive synchronous connections are waiting to donate bandwidth to you

Apparently, I'm one of the few because my d/l rate is a fraction of my u/l rate.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[theshowmecanuck]

KDE

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[chocolatei]

The isos might be available on LimeWire. I say "might" because of the firewall you might have.
They might be called "Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download*"

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Feztaa]

I agree, I'm getting 160k/s down as we speak, which is really pushing the limits of my piddly little cable connection.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

But Mandrake is french, and "m" and "d" are at the same distance of the space bar on the french keyboard.
Ergo, In France, keyboards makes go along YOU :)
...
* hides behind his keyboard *

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[dementedWabbit]

Ok, this is slightly OT; but the last time I installed Mandrake (9.0 IIRC); it was too slow on the Celeron600 (only machine I have!), so I decided to reinstall Windows2000 (yes, yes, evil, wooooo, etc, etc) which (having been the previous OS) I found was a _hell_ of a lot faster than XFree. Yes, maybe my install was crap. Maybe I should disable this and that. [btw, the reinstallation totally fried the partitions - creating a gazillion partitions of about 1mb each. Got that fixed, but that's not what I wanted to make the point about]. The point I was wanting to make is that the installation (using defaults, mind) resulted in a very slow system, _very_ noticably slower than Windows2000. Is this version faster than 9.0?

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Synchronous or symmetric?

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

No

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[PReDiToR]

It is now that I have the official Torrent that uses torrent.mandrakesoft.com as the tracker.

This is the link for the official Torrent, but think about joining the Club if you use Mandrake.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Fred_A]

Um, I've run several flavours of Mandrake on a 400MHz PII and they run just fine (better since I upgraded from 64MiB to 192MiB). And that's with a laptop's slow HD.

So I'd say there's definitely something wrong with your setup. On anything faster than a 150MHz machine, pretty much any distribution should be very comfortable to use as long as it has enough memory.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[fuzzix]

Use the torrents - lots of geeks on expensive synchronous connections are waiting to donate bandwidth to you :-)

Remember to open ports on your firewalls/forwards ports on your NATs or you'll find your dl speed lacking:
6881-6889 (one port is used for each instance of bt - this is merely a recommended range), 6969, 7070.

Also, limit your upload speed *a little* to help the client make connections between hosts.
IIRC:
$ btdownloadedcurses.py --max_upload_rate [K/sec] [file.torrent]

So, on 512/128 DSL You would set K/Sec to 10-11.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[kdriedge]

What's this package 'foo' that everyone keeps talking about? I can't find it anywhere :!

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[EvilAlien]

I love urpmi. The suite of tools for package management in Mandrake impresses me far more than Debian. I still find myself occasionally trying to emerge something on my Mandrake box, though ;)

For more urpmi goodness, check out Urpmi.org and the Easy Urpmi tool.

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[JCholewa]

> But 'm' is stil faster to type than 'd' (m is closer to the space key which you need to type afterwards, you
> can do it by just taping m+space by one wet finger), so mandrake is light-years ahead of debian...

No. 'd' is on the home row. To type 'm', you'd have to move your right index finger before pushing down. Pushing 'd' required no such movement.

That said, I am a proud participant of Mandrake's new index finger exercise program....

--
-JC
http://www.jc-news.com/coding/freedom/

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[krewemaynard]

someone please mod parent up...i thought bittorrent sucked it until i opened ports 6881-6889 on my router (didnt mess with the other 2 ports). once i did, i got excellent dl speeds-i think it topped around 150 or 160 (not bad for my cable modem, which tops out around 220)! didnt choke my upload either, since my ISP already throttles it at 15k :(

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, there is a 2.6 kernel that can be easily used and there is KDE 3.2.2 which MDK DOESN'T have

Re:Excellent Distro!!!

[sumdumass]

Isn't the bleeding edge gnome in cooker, one that is developed form mandrake specificaly (by the mandrake team) rather then the regular version from the gnome distibution site? I would think it might still be a little outdated by maybe a few weeks or somethign but it should run better on mandrake then if it wasn't.

Damn

[Stevyn]

I just spent two days downloading each file from FTP!

Actually, I think the ftp install is more efficient. It allows you do skip the source RPMs and the contrib directory if you don't want it. You can also do a more unattended install because you don't have to keep switching out the cds. And...I'm pretty sure there was a script that made the ISOs for you. Damn, I just invalidated this whole story. Sorry slashdot.

Re:Damn

[Siniset]

10.0 is the first release I did the ftp install for and I'm really happy about it. I used gentoo for a while, and loved the fact that i could go to the command line, type emerge foobar and in a couple of minutes (or hours) have foobar on my computer. I loved my gentoo box, but found myself playing with it too much to get it to work just right, which is why I went back to Mandrake, because it's pretty amazing how much they are able to make work just by default. Also, their control center is the best one that I've used, better than fedoras, imo.

Anyways, I recommend people using it if they are interested in begining on linux, because it gives the ease of use that a beginner needs, but its pretty powerful under the hood.

Re:Damn

[Anonymous Coward]

It took you 2 days to download each file? I downloaded the 3 ISO images last night (long before /. effect) in under 4 hours from the FTP site.

Re:Damn

[linzeal]

I'm sharing them on Emule right now, getting about 50k/sec down total on a 1.5 mb/s line. Sharing at max of 15-16k.

Re:Damn

[CanadianCrackPot]

True that Mandrake is nice enough to provide the MakeCD script. However when I tried the CDs on my testbed I noticed a couple of missing(??) rpms. The only thing I didn't download was the RPMS.cooker dir since I didn't want the in progress stuff. Hefty bugger too 11 cds compared to the paltry 3 that you get with the official download isos.

Re:Damn

[Stevyn]

I have "slow broadband" from my cable company. It's the best I can get in my area so I'm happy, but one way cable modem that maxes up at 600kbps and down at 33.6kbps isn't exactly lightning. I know it sounds odd when I said two days cause it's quicker than modem and not nearly as fast as my comcast at school.

Re:Damn

[ViolentGreen]

Anyways, I recommend people using it if they are interested in begining on linux, because it gives the ease of use that a beginner needs, but its pretty powerful under the hood.

I will agree with that statement. There is very little configuration needed to get it up and running and none from the command line.

I started there but eventually moved to slack and gentoo. There's something about Mandrake that I don't care for much but I can't put my finger on it. I tried the previous release because of the hype but I just went back to slackware. Going back to gentoo after I get broadband.

/. Effect to the Extreme

[bobhagopian]

It becomes impossible to open a 100k HTML file once it gets slashdotted... god help that poor soul that is trying to download those huge ISO files right now.

Re:/. Effect to the Extreme

[jomas1]

The /. effect should help the bittorent along greatly though. The more people who get http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/Mandrakelinux-1 0.0-Official-Download.torrent the faster it goes right?

Re:/. Effect to the Extreme

[magefile]

Until the tracker itself becomes overloaded, which happened a few times with my FC2. OTOH, BitTorrent has very nice, very automatic auto-resume capabilities.

Re:/. Effect to the Extreme

[Steve Ballmer's Fat]

I'm getting 350k/sec down and 390k/sec upload speed with bittorrent right now... so, speed is not an issue at the moment! :D

Re:/. Effect to the Extreme

[Lord Kano]

The /. effect should help the bittorent along greatly though.

In theory sure, but have you ever tried to download a hugely popular file that only has a few seeds?

I have, it sucks.

LK

Re:/. Effect to the Extreme

[jomas1]

My experience has been that your dl speed sucks at first and then picks up a few hours later. If we are talking about a file greater than 700 megs, 5 or 6 hours is better than a 2k/s download from an overtaxed ftp.

Re:/. Effect to the Extreme

[pseudochaotic]

But you really only need to hit the tracker once to get started, and if it fails at some point during your dl, you hardly even notice.

Community Edition

[Xshare]

I've been using the v.10 Community Edition on one of my older PCs for my little sister. It's easy enough for her, but powerful enough to run what I throw at it. I'll definately be upgrading to the Official Version now.

Re:Community Edition

[Croaker]

Heh... reminds me of that deoderant commercial... "Mandrake: strong enough for a man, but made for a woman"

Re:Community Edition

[Anonymous Coward]

Hardy fuckin har! Nice one, matey!

Re:Community Edition

[BigGerman]

Make sure youall do upgrade.
in my case, the difference between "community" and "official" was the difference between "what the fsck was that?" and "rock on!".

SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[attemptedgoalie]

It comes with 2.6.4-54 (off the top of my head, so I may be wrong about the sub-revision)

Re:SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[Spetiam]

Do you happen to know if Mandrake has a Live CD to test this out? The latest Knoppix with 2.6.?-?? doesn't work on my machine, and I'd like to test it out before downloading three CDs only to find it doesn't work.

Re:SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[attemptedgoalie]

I don't know about Mandrake, but hasn't SuSe had their live version for a while now?

Checking...

Yes.

LinuxISO's SuSe directory

You can get the LiveEval for 9.1 (w/ 2.6.4...)

Re:SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[SKPhoton]

So you say you wanted to grab a copy of the Mandrake LiveCD?

Re:SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[nocomment]

MandrakeMove is what you're looking for. You can even use a USB key to save files on. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#move --Bryan

Re:SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks!

Re:SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store

[Anonymous Coward]

It's also backordered into oblivion. I'm still waiting for my box, so maybe I'll download Mandrake while I wait...

Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[osewa77]

I started learning Linux with Mandrake Linux and it really made things very easy. Then I moved to RedHat by accident (I lost my Mandrake CDs, couldn't get a replacement and thought, 'well, Mandrake is based on Redhat...'). After reading the previous slashdot stories about Mandrakesoft's financial challenges, I am happy to hear that things are progressing. However, I'm sticking to Fedora since most of my Linux work is server-side; Redhat and Debian happen to be the standards these days and lots of free online support (via google!)is available for them. I have written this personal stuff because I think there are many people in my shoes. 'We like them, but we really can't use them'
_______
by the way I Am A Fantasia Barrino fan

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[BiggerIsBetter]

RedHat *was* the standard back in the day, but others have cought up, and they pretty much blew any other advantage off with their Fedora vs Enterprise debarkle. RedHat users faced the choice of a distro in continuous state of Beta, or paying large fees for updates. Not good. I've been through Debian, MkLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, Adamantix, and a few others, and I'll say that these days Mandrake and SuSE are the real players. Mandrake has got the desktop figured out, and SuSE has got the Novell juggernaut behind them. Aside from "only RedHat supported" 3rd party apps, and maybe business folks who want the well-known name when first move to Linux, I just can't see much room for RedHat anymore... It's certainly been ousted from this office and replaced with alternatives.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[osewa77]

I tried Debian for some weeks on my web server; I experienced all sorts of probs related to the fact that the only stable Debian is an outdated Debian so here I am, using Fedora once more. Any attempt to use recent packages made my Debian system unstable. Fedora works exactly like RedHat, and is now managed by RedHat.
________________
go fantasia, this is your night

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[BiggerIsBetter]

I'll agree about Debian. If you want new-ish software, it's not the distro for you. However, backports.org is a good resource for recent packages for Woody.

FWIW, I found RedHat 9 to be relatively unstable compared to SuSE on our server here. We're currently running a super-stable and more secure Debian spinoff called Adamantix. Yes, it's a complete PITA to get working initially, but solid as a rock once sorted. The upcoming 1.0.4 release has a lot of more current stuff in it.

Still, if Fedora meets your needs then go with it. Personally, I think putting anything as bleeding-edge as Fedora on a server is very brave, but to each their own. One difference though... I don't recall beta-testing for RedHat's pay-for software when running RH8 or 9...

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[homer_ca]

If you want a good RPM based server distro, try Trustix. It's like Redhat but without the bloat. They seem to be following Redhat's lead though. The next version after the current 2.1 won't be free.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[irix]

There is so much uninformed RedHat FUD on Slashdot I seriously wonder if it is astroturfing.

they pretty much blew any other advantage off with their Fedora vs Enterprise debarkle

What "debarkle" is that? The one where they announced that RH9 support would only last one year at the time it was released? Or the one where they announced the Fedora/RHEL strategy nine months before RH9 support expired? The only debacles occurred in the heads of uninformed Slashdot commentators, or those who were too lazy to follow the goings-on of the distro that they run. We had our post RH9 strategy in place 6 months ago!

RedHat users faced the choice of a distro in continuous state of Beta, or paying large fees for updates.

Yeah, a continuous state of Beta, right. Didn't FC2 go though three beta releases before final release? And let's look at some of the major components in the final release of FC2:

• Kernel 2.6
• Gnome 2.6
• KDE 3.2
• Mozilla 1.6
• OpenOffice 1.1

Hmmm, where have I seen that before ... oh right, the same stuff that is in SuSE 9.1 and MDK 10! (ok, Gnome 2.4 in the MDK case). So how is Fedora Core a "beta" distro and SuSE/MDK not?

You know what, I'm glad to see RedHat have some quality competition. But Mandrake is just out of bankruptcy protection and the "Novell juggernaut" is the same Novell that many observers had written off for dead in recent years. No question that both distros are gaining popularity, but I'd hardly say that they have made RedHat irrelevant quite yet.

Oh, and to counter your anecdotal evidence ... RH9/FC1/FC2 is the preferred Linux install at my office. So if it is happening to me it must be true for everyone else!

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[irix]

One difference though... I don't recall beta-testing for RedHat's pay-for software when running RH8 or 9...

I guess you weren't paying attention then, since RedHat has been selling a higher priced and better supported version since back in the RedHat 7.X days, first as RedHat "Advanced" and then RedHat "Enterprise".

If you insist on looking at using Fedora as beta testing for RHEL, then please let us know how this is different than Debian testing/unstable, the Mandrake community releases or SuSE (as compared to SuSE Enterprise).

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[BiggerIsBetter]

Good point, although I thought part of the Advanced Server thing was packaging. I guess that goes a way to explaining RedHat's occasional flakiness over the years...

Debian/etc are different because there is still a free stable branch. You can use Mandrake Official for $0, and you can use Debian Stable for $0. SuSE 9.x is a rather stable release too, not a rolling baseline line Fedora appears to be. A better comparison would have been Mandrake Cooker, or Debian Unstable.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate you fucking RedHat apoligists. I bet you own RHAT stock too, you 'unbiased' wanker.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[Anonymous Coward]

RedHat and Debian *may* be the standards these days. However, I don't agree. I don't have much experience with Redhat, I've used Debian, Slackware, and more recently Gentoo. I once used Suse in work so I know that commercial distributions are pretty different.
If you ask me, what distributions would be standard, I would say all distributions whose way of configuring apps, even though it may change a little from one to another, still share the same logic.
In GNU/Linux, methods may change, but the logic is always the same. It was annoying that after you changed a setting by manually editing a text file in /etc/* your changes were reverted by their trademark configuration manager (I don't know if this has changed). I often come across the net with redhat howto's, and reading them I used them to fix my problems on Slackware, so I believe that there's no segregation in this aspect.
I agree with you in the "free online support (via google!)" but I just wanted to point out that so far you are using a sane distro, chances are you can use this online support even if redhat-specific on another distro.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[Anonymous Coward]

MandrakeSoft is in France. RedHat is in North Carolina and Novell is in New England (though they may still have some stuff left in Utah). Call me crazy, but this actually matters to me. I'm glad you brought-up RedHat stock --I should buy some.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[irix]

Debian/etc are different because there is still a free stable branch.

Fedora is the free RedHat stable branch. How hard is this to comprehend?

SuSE 9.x is a rather stable release too, not a rolling baseline line Fedora appears to be.

Go ahead, compare the versions of packages in the SuSE 9.X releases to Fedora core 1 and 2. They use the same major versions of the Kernel, Gnome, KDE, etc. etc. etc. How is SuSE 9.X a "stable release" while Fedora is "a rolling baseline"? This is just plain FUD, with nothing to back it up.

You can directly compare the SuSE commerical releases and SuSE enterprise with Fedora and RHEL respectively. The major difference is that you can get support from SuSE for their commercial releases, while RedHat does not officially support Fedora. If that vendor support is important to you then this is a distinction, but otherwise your RedHat bashing is nothing more than uninformed nonsense.

A better comparison would have been Mandrake Cooker

No, it wouldn't be. Cooker was created my Mandrake as a copy of RedHat Rawhide, to which it directly compares.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[Anonymous Coward]

...and SuSE has got the Novell juggernaut behind them.

Im not sure if Novell is a juggernaut anymore...

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[BiggerIsBetter]

Calm down and get back to your bug hunting.

Fedora is the free RedHat stable branch. How hard is this to comprehend?

Fedora is the free RedHat TESTING branch. There is NO stable and free RedHat anymore. Get that? Stable is the WS/ES/AS line.

They use the same major versions of the Kernel, Gnome, KDE, etc. etc. etc. How is SuSE 9.X a "stable release" while Fedora is "a rolling baseline"?

Fedora says they schedule releases 2-3 times a year. That is a joke for any system that actually gets used in the real world. The current versioning is nice timing for your argument, but 3 months from now it'll be a new release with new bugs and new holes. 3 months from now SuSE and Mandrake will be that much more secure and stable, and a year or two from now you might want to think about updating. As you've posted already, you're a keen RedHat fanboy from way back and you use RH9/FC1/FC2 in your office, but wailing about how equal you think your favourite distro is won't accomplish anything. And no, I don't expect you to agree with my opinion or admit you made a mistake deploying it in a production environment.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[swv3752]

Fedora is directly comparable to Mandrake Community. There is no free version of RH that compares to Mandrake Official.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[irix]

Fedora is the free RedHat TESTING branch. There is NO stable and free RedHat anymore. Get that?

Go ahead and cite a source for that ... you can't. You are absolutely dead wrong - the RedHat testing branch is Rawhide. Fedora is its own distro with its own release schedule. Does technology that ends up in RHEL start in Fedora? Sure, the same way that technology start starts in SuSE linux ends up in Suse Enterprise linux.

Fedora says they schedule releases 2-3 times a year. That is a joke for any system that actually gets used in the real world. The current versioning is nice timing for your argument, but 3 months from now it'll be a new release with new bugs and new holes. 3 months from now SuSE and Mandrake will be that much more secure and stable, and a year or two from now you might want to think about updating.

As I have already stated, RedHat doesn't oficially support Fedora. However, you can get updates for about a year and half if you want to continue running an older Fedora release. Mandrake seems to be supported for about the same amount of time. I can't find product lifetimes for SuSE, but I suspect you'll find that their commercial release is 2 years or less, while the enterprise version will give you longer (~5 years, like RedHat) lifetime.

...you're a keen RedHat fanboy from way back... <snip the rest of the ad-homenim attacks>

I won't dignify this with a response. Suffice it to say that I actually run a couple of distributions for work on a day-to-day basis. Unlike yourself, I don't go around spreading FUD and half-truths about any of them though.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[irix]

Fedora is directly comparable to Mandrake Community. There is no free version of RH that compares to Mandrake Official.

This is quite true from the perspective of support - Fedora is not supported by RedHat, but Mandrake Official is supportted by Mandrakesoft.

From the perspective of "stability" I don't see much external difference (i.e. versions of major components) between Mandrake Official and Fedora. I've never run them side by side for a long time to compare, so I could be wrong.

Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks.

[BiggerIsBetter]

You really are in love with RedHat aren't you? To use the Debian analogy, the RedHat unstable branch is Rawhide. Fedora is testing.

Big claps to Mandrake ...

[nomad63]

It is very heartwarming to see some major Linux vendor is interested in the individual home Linux user after RedHat dumped them like yesterday's trash.

On a side note, I am wondering where they are getting their currency exchange rates. Wish I could buy Euros from this rate and trade on the free market :)

[quote on]
For comparison, the Mandrake Linux PowerPack contains more than 2300 high-quality applications including a complete Office Suite of programs, plus installation support, for approximately 75 Euros ($69 US); whereby the equivalent Microsoft Windows + MS Office costs approximately 750 Euros ($685 US) without any technical support.
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Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[0x0d0a]

It is very heartwarming to see some major Linux vendor is interested in the individual home Linux user after RedHat dumped them like yesterday's trash.

What are you talking about?

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[Limburgher]

How is Fedora dumping the home user? It's fantastic! What's more, yum and apt are much better that up2date, and moving out from RedHat (the company) has allowed them to migrate.

Please, try Fedora before you bash it. And, since when is the quality of a distro tied to the support of a corporation? Wouldn't that mean that Debian and Slackware suck? Odd, since they don't.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[harikiri]

He's probably referring to the fact that for a home user today, to get a well-integrated desktop Linux system (like what many of us used RedHat for), we have very, very limited options.

Today, if you want a freely available desktop-oriented Linux distribution, you have to hunt far and wide. If you looked a week ago, you would have Fedora Core 2, which suffers from this major bug, Mandrake 10 Community - which is a pain to update. Knoppix is good but it's not really meant for installation though it can be done. A quick look on SuSe's downloads page shows that they do offer it free (minus commercial components), but it's either in LiveCD format or has to be installed via FTP.

So, unfortunately today, we don't have the luxury we used to of being able to simply grab the 3 iso's for RedHat and installing them onto our system. Sure we could use Debian, or Gentoo, or even go out on a limb and try FreeBSD - but none of these are desktop-oriented, though you can achieve a nice desktop system if you work at it.

I think that's what he's talking about. :)

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[ZaMoose]

Plus, Fedora Tracker now lets you see what's in EVERY apt/yum repo for Fedora out there. It will even autogenerate yum and apt config files from your selected sites. Very cool.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[0x0d0a]

He's probably referring to the fact that for a home user today, to get a well-integrated desktop Linux system (like what many of us used RedHat for), we have very, very limited options.

I don't think so -- it seemed to be a direct criticism of Red Hat for home use, which definitely confuses me. I can see complaints about Red Hat -- they're too tied up in making things "free" (second only to Debian, IMHO), they've done a poor job of managing Fedora PR, etc, but them not being usable as a home machine is an entirely new complaint to me. Most distributions, except for specialized ones, would seem to be quite good for home use.

If you looked a week ago, you would have Fedora Core 2, which suffers from this major bug

That's a bug, though, not a fundamental distribution problem. I'm not too familiar with this aside from the Slashdot article, but I would be surprised if there isn't an update issued to fix it. Plus, the poster is comparing Red Hat to Mandrake -- and Mandrake 10 suffers from the same bug, according to your link.

WRT the Mandrake update procedures, I would think that this is not so much a problem for home users as it is for people that have been doing beta testing. Whatever the "Community Edition" is (it sounds something vaguely like the Red Hat FC test releases).

A quick look on SuSe's downloads page shows that they do offer it free (minus commercial components), but it's either in LiveCD format or has to be installed via FTP.

I agree with you that SuSE is about the least free of all the distributions that currently exist (Caldera tended to push a couple of non-free buttons as well). I certainly wouldn't use SuSE myself. However it's still affordable and usable by a home user.

Sure we could use Debian, or Gentoo, or even go out on a limb and try FreeBSD - but none of these are desktop-oriented, though you can achieve a nice desktop system if you work at it.

I'm not sure why one would say that Debian and Gentoo are not desktop-oriented. I guess that I cannot speak with as much knowledge when talking about Gentoo, but I remember synaptic being made for Debian -- surely that is an example of a desktop-oriented administration tool?

I have only a little experience with the BSDs, and none admining a BSD box, but surely FreeBSD would be the BSD most oriented at desktop use?

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[Anonymous Coward]

I refuse to install a distro that as default comes with all the games installed but not GCC.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[mAineAc]

You forgot the best one -- slackware :)

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[Anonymous Coward]

heh. i thougt the same thing and then i noticed two replies that both mentioned slackware as the best.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[mehaiku]

"Sure we could use Debian [debian.org], or Gentoo [gentoo.org], or even go out on a limb and try FreeBSD [freebsd.org] - but none of these are desktop-oriented, though you can achieve a nice desktop system if you work at it."

How very odd. I used to use Mandrake as a desktop system. I got tired of "working at it," by having to install it twice a year, on each new release. Now I just emerge -uDp world and I never have to reinstall.

When I did install Mandrake twice a year, in order to keep current, I always had to procure the physical media. With Gentoo, should I ever need to reinstall, I can boot Knoppix and chroot from there. You don't have to have the media with Gentoo.

When I used Mandrake, it never failed that a new version of program foo would be released. Unfortunately, Mandrake was not necessarily quick to build mdk-rpms for new program foo. Of course, you could not configure, make and make install it on Mandrake, due to having unmet dependencies in the aged Mandrake release. Now I just emerge foo and I am done. Even if this didn't always work, like say with qtparted at this very moment, the source has always built without fail. This was never guaranteed with Mandrake or Redhat. With Gentoo it does not matter if a major release of KDE or GNOME happens. You will be able to install it. This is not true with the rpm based distros, especially if new app foo has many updated dependencies not present in your rpm distro.

When I used Mandrake & Redhat, I had no idea what a pure, unmodified KDE looked or felt like. Gentoo let me know and now I prefer my Linux distributor not mess around with KDE. Redhat & Mandrake both modify KDE.

When I used Mandrake and installed KDE, it installed every single app that each KDE package includes. For instance, you install kdenetwork and you get krdc, whether you will ever use it nor not. With Gentoo, my DO_NOT_COMPILE list is in my make.conf, so the only KDE apps built are those I specify. This was not possible with Mandrake or Redhat

Maybe you are correct that Mandrake is an easy desktop, particularly if you like reading those reviews that focus on installation. But over time, as with all rpm based distros, Gentoo was much easier to maintain and configure as I wished. For these reasons, for me, Gentoo is far MORE desktop oriented, than Mandrake, Redhat or any other rpm based distro.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[Chris Siegler]

How is Fedora dumping the home user? It's fantastic! What's more, yum and apt are much better that up2date, and moving out from RedHat (the company) has allowed them to migrate.

fantastic? It trashes Windows partition maps, breaks NVIDIA drivers, screws up X configuration files, has missing popular packages (XCDroast), and NO firewire support! And that's just what I personally experienced! It's the biggest piece of horsesh*t distribution that has ever shown it's head and it's a RELEASE for goodness sake. I would rank it as the worst test release ever, never mind comparing it to something normal users are supposed to use. What's staggering is that they're blaming everybody but themselves for the problems, like people's time is free and they've got nothing better to do than learn about Grub and the fun details of recovering a partition map.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[Anonymous Coward]

It trashes Windows partition maps

So does Mandrake

missing popular packages (XCDroast)

Bullshit

NO firewire support

Bullshit

And that's just what I personally experienced!

Perhaps you should get daddy to install it properly for you.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[harikiri]

I'm a big fan of Gentoo personally (installed it onto an Ultra 10 at home last weekend), but when discussing Linux with less-savvy workmates, I usually steer them towards the more 'user-friendly' distributions. My current method of advocacy is to hand out Knoppix CD's around the office, which has received a lot of interest. Especially when I show them that they can access their corporate email, terminal services, and routers (these are network engineers) with ease. Openoffice still runs like a dog though..

I even have a few guys who are going so far as to asking which "version" of Linux to run at home. So for the moment I'm recommending Mandrake.

But I totally agree with the problem (that was also present with RedHat) of 6-month reinstall's to get everything up to scratch. And don't even get me started on RPM dependency issues or issues between RPM's built for Mandrake vs those for RedHat.

Ideally I'd like to get a copy of Xandros to show these guys. Unfortunately, it too falls into the commercial category. Where's my try before I buy!? :(

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[marsu_k]

Mandrake 10 Community - which is a pain to update

I'm typing this on 10.0 Official (at least that's what it says when I boot), and I updated from Community simply by getting new urpmi sources for Official from Easy Urpmi and running urpmi --auto-select

Now, I can't tell if I've installed just the right packages so they don't conflict or what, but so far I've had no problems with this setup. Actually, it's even better now - when running /etc/init.d/network (re)start it used fail on bringing up eth0 (it still worked though just fine). I've read some other people have had the same problem with MDK as well, and they remedied it by turning off network hotplugging; but this never worked for me. Now it just works.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[0x0d0a]

Thanks for the link. That is a great resource.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[irix]

It trashes Windows partition maps

Before you open your piehole, you might want to notice that this problem is kernel 2.6 related and affects Mandrake 10 and SuSE 9.1 as well.

breaks NVIDIA drivers

New kernel version breaks closed-source kernel module. Film at 11! Want to place a wager on how long it takes NVIDIA to fix their problem anyway?

has missing popular packages (XCDroast)

You name one package, and it isn't even missing from FC2. Nice.

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[Krafty Koder]

same deal here changed my urpmi sources to 10 Official , then did: urpmi --auto-select followed by urpmi --kernel how hard is that?

Re:Big claps to Mandrake ...

[swv3752]

The Community edition is directly comparable to the Fedora Core Release. It is the same as previous Mandrake releases. The Official release is basically community and several months of bugfixes. If one was updating regularly the Community release, then it should be identical to the Official release.

MandrakeMove

[vigilology]

When will they release a MandrakeMove 10? I want to see if and how well Mandrake 10 will perform on a certain set-up, but can't without commiting to a full install.

What's the diff? as they would say

[Anonymous Coward]

Can somebody inform me on which is the difference versus community and official releases?

in soviet russia mandrake releases you!
bad ok its long enough now ...

Re:What's the diff? as they would say

[Technonotice_Dom]

A colleague had huge problems installing the Community version - and apparently so did quite a few people out there. It trashed his partition tables, MBR or something like that.

This one should have been beta tested hopefully!

Re:What's the diff? as they would say

[__aadhrk6380]

I had quite a few problems with the community version involving hardware issues (NIC's, HD and partition tables, etc). I will be taking some time this weekend to slap the official release on my test box. Mandrake is a great distro, but they might have jumped the gun a bit on their community release.

Re:What's the diff? as they would say

[Cro Magnon]

Community is the late beta. They release it to the fools^H^H^H^H^Hbrave souls, and when they scream that it's destroying their hardware, they fix it (hopefully) and release the Official 10.0.

Buy a Box

[beatleadam]

Remember, if you use Mandrakelinux, join the club or buy a box to support them...

Heh...Heh...You said "Buy a Box"...

The Good Ole Days

[YodaToo]

With BitTorrents of CD & DVD ISO's transporting data over all these fancy high speed lines, do you ever long for the good ole days of having to install distros like Slackware on 3.5 floppy or sending off in the mail for a Walnut Creek CD to load up linux via your fancy new 1x cartridge based CDROM?

Re:The Good Ole Days

[gphinch]

Nope :P

Re:The Good Ole Days

[/dev/trash]

Good Ole Days? Hell I still do it that way!

Re:The Good Ole Days

[TeknoHog]

No, but I PINE for the good old days of text-only email.

Re:The Good Ole Days

[globalar]

That was a decade ago. 65+ floppies to enjoy Slackware 2.1 with a 1.1.59 kernel in 1994. I think I remember 1.0 coming on 24 diskettes.

Small historical Slackware archive.

Re:The Good Ole Days

[Anonymous Coward]

My introduction to Linux was Slackware back in 1995. I worked a computer lab at my university, and when I closed up one night, I put a floppy in each of the machines and went to downloading all the packages. That was the start of a beautiful relationship, really. Loved it so much, I bought Slackware '96 from Walnut Creek.

Anyone know where I can find and download old versions of Slackware like the one I first used (and put them on floppies)?

Re:The Good Ole Days

[AhBeeDoi]

I still use pine. Must be the nostaglic streak in me.

Yay Linux!

[Anonymous Coward]

Great, so does this have the Linux kernel that destroys my Windows XP partition?

Hmm, nobody really knows... Who caused that bug? Nobody is sure... Isn't open source fun!

Uh oh... here come the Linux apologists! (Runs and hides)

Re:Yay Linux!

[technomanceraus]

If you check in previous /. stories Fedora Core Doesn't Like to Dual Boot? you'll find its to do with the way disk geometry is being interpreted differently in 2.6 to the way the BIOS interprets it. I'm guessing Mandrake 10 has a 2.6 kernel option.

Re:Yay Linux!

[ChiaKemp]

Mandrake 10 Official plays just fine with a Windows partition. I've been using it for a while no with no issues booting to Windows. Also it was my understanding that it wasn't the 2.6 kernel that caused the issue but something to do with Fedora Core 2's installer.

Re:Yay Linux!

[LnxAddct]

Actually, it only caused a problem when Windows was on a seperate drive. If Windows was one the same drive but different partition then its fine. The problem occurs because Windows, as usual, didn't follow the standard for the partion indexes(not sure if thats the right word), Fedora saw a screwed up index and fixed it. All the sudden windows is broke because your computer was fixed. Kinda like, w3c compliant HTML will render fine under Firefox, but IE may sometimes screw it up.
Regards,
Steve

Re:Yay Linux!

[Kyouryuu]

But I assume that even if Windows and Mandrake are on seperate drives, Mandrake won't succumb to this same problem?

Re:Yay Linux!

[LnxAddct]

Not to my knowledge. At least it shouldn't.

oops replied to the wrong post

[Anonymous Coward]

oops replied to the wrong post

2.6 kernel

[SKPhoton]

"One of the first commercially available Linux distributions to feature the 2.6 kernel by default."

Yep, SuSE 9.1 has already been released on CD/DVD, complete with kernel 2.6.4-54 I believe. However, Mandrake 10 is already available for download while SuSE isn't available for download until June 4th.

Personally I prefer SuSE over Mandrake, but if you really really want a prebuilt 2.6 kernel based system NOW, you can go ahead and grab a copy from Mandrake.

Re:2.6 kernel

[masterQba]

i would download Mandrake gladly since FC2 doesn't want to install on my P4P800 MB, but they use the evil XFree so i'm propably going to wait for another 2.6 distro. maybe slackware, or maybe fedora will come up with a solution to my MB problem.

Re:2.6 kernel

[tkittel]

Mandrake doesnt use the "evil XFree". They use the ~4.3 XFree version without the new annoying license.

And they were one of the 4 (i think) linux companies that stood up and made a point of not using XFree 4.4 due to the new licences.

Re:2.6 kernel

[masterQba]

yeah I double checked that one after posting and of corse your right.

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Already tried it.

[bmo]

Every so often, I pit one OS against another. I picked up a copy of Mandrake 10 from Linux Format. Of course it was the download version, but I saw it and I had to check it out.

The French and the Germans battled it out yet again on my PC. As usual, the Maginot line crumbled instantly as the Germans, with their technical superority *from LAST OCTOBER* (SuSE 9.0), totally cleaned the floor with Mandrake 10.

And thusly, I cleaned Mandrake off the drive.

Hello SuSE 9.1

This again proves that you should get your food from France, technology from Germany, and women from Poland.

--
BMO

Re:Already tried it.

[Limburgher]

And your world domination from Amerika.

(ducks)

Re:Already tried it.

[bakes]

This again proves that you should get your food from France, technology from Germany, and women from Poland.

D'oh! And all this time I've been getting my technology from France, my women from Germany, and my food from Poland!

Re:Already tried it.

[wan-fu]

What joke is that based on? I remember hearing a joke like that, but I can't remember the exact details. Care to refresh my memory? Thanks.

Re:Already tried it.

[Cornelius Chesterfie]

It was about Canadians. The joke went something like:

"The sad thing about Canada is that they could've gotten british culture, french cooking and american technology. Instead they got french technology, british cooking and american culture."

Re:Already tried it.

[linzeal]

I like my women from england, got to love those gum jobs.

Re:Already tried it.

[Anonymous Coward]

why do the French have trees lining their streets?

the Germans like to march in the shade.

Re:Already tried it.

[physicsphairy]

This again proves that you should get your food from France, technology from Germany, and women from Poland.

They have women in Poland?

Re:Already tried it.

[Anonymous Coward]

I think so but why would _you_ care about women ?

Re:Already tried it.

[smithmc]

D'oh! And all this time I've been getting my technology from France, my women from Germany, and my food from Poland!

Mmmmm... pirogi... <drool>

Re:Already tried it.

[Anonymous Coward]

Ha, ha, ha. That's was really funny you cock sucker.

Re:Already tried it.

[BenjyD]

I have to say I agree. I tried Mdk 10 for a fortnight. While it had plenty of great features and very good hardware support (even auto-detected and configured my HP laserjet 1000), it was just too unreliable for me to use it for work. SuSE 9.1 seems much more stable to me so far.

Re:Already tried it.

[Anonymous Coward]

You'll be telling me please again about these Polish women?

Re:Already tried it.

[imr]

As usual, the Maginot line crumbled instantly
Actually, it never had to crumble since they forgot to extend it till the sea. Germans just had to drive safely through belgium.

Re:Already tried it.

[brysnot]

...and women from Poland.

mail order or download?

Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[astrosmash]

Does Mandrake 10 suffer from the same MBR corruption bug that currently plagues Red Hat Fedora? Apparently it's caused by some of the changes to the 2.6 kernel and is affecting other 2.6 distros.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[lokem]

I think it still is according to this . But somehow the bug is marked as FIXED. More info here. Only a temp solution is provided :(

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[B5_geek]

No.

I have installed Drake v10 Official on 4 different PC's (3 laptop's and a desktop) and XP (NTFS & FAT32) and all dual-boot ok.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[Technonotice_Dom]

I believe the previous Community edition did (was withdrawn shortly after), but that should be resolved in the Official version.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[helixcode123]

Does Mandrake 10 suffer from the same MBR corruption bug that currently plagues Red Hat Fedora?

It may depend on the hardware. I encountered this problem last weekend on my new HP desktop system.

This particular computer has two windows boot option. I can boot into the first (the "HP Restore" system), but not into the second (the normal "XP" boot).

Note that another poster is not seeing this problem on his computer.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[Bachus9000]

The second beta and first release candidate exhibited this problem on my PC, but Community was fine (I didn't bother with RC2). I'm assuming that I'll not have problems with 10.0 Official. *Crosses fingers.*

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[r_cerq]

Lucky you. I installed 3 FC2s, 2 dual-booting (to XP) laptops and one triple booting destkop (to XP and 2k3): all went OK. That doesn't mean the problem isn't there. (Lucky me, I guess). The fact that I always set the hard-drives to LBA (and the Windozes were installed that way, one of them nearly 2 years ago) might have something to do with it.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[B5_geek]

Yes. That does make a lot of sense. Considering these were all systems that I had setup before (and I usually do the same config for all my systems.

2GB boot
10GB OS/Apps
xxxxGB storage and variable data /me crosses fingers & toes that I stay lucky.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[Nailer]

Yes.

See bugzilla bug.

To make the problem apparent, you must partition whilst using kernel 2.6. Not upgrade an existing system to 2.6 after having already partitioned.

Also, the bug only appears on particular drive geometries.

But you can fix it with sfdisk, writing out a new partition table with a different geometry.

See the parent posts link.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[Anonymous Coward]

I used FC2 and reneder my windoze (ME) ioperable. I went back to Mandrake 10 Community Ed, and was able to the MBR restored.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[Mr_Silver]

But you can fix it with sfdisk, writing out a new partition table with a different geometry.

*shudder* No thanks. I don't care how easy it is to do, I'll wait for them to produce a fix.

I don't care whose fault it is, but speaking as an average joe user, if you want to crowbar that copy of Windows XP from me, then I want to be able to install Linux without having to faff around repairing/rebuilding stuff that I know very little about in the first place.

When you're the underdog, or up against something which is established, in any industry, you have to accept that sometimes you may need to "fix" something that wasn't really your fault in the first place.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[gr8_phk]

What if I want to install Linux on a second drive and leave Windoze on the primary one? Does this bug occur? The dual boot configuration will need to modify the MBR (only?) on the main drive. Can a backup/restore of the MBR fix it and save all my Winhozed data if this thing goes wrong?

Thanks for any info on this.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[Anonymous Coward]

For what it's worth, I just set up a dual boot with xp... it ended in tragedy with lilo, but a switch the to GRUB bootloader on my second try cleared up all problems.

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[grepistan]

> reneder my windoze (ME) ioperable
How could you tell? :)

Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug?

[a_peckover]

Does this problem occur if you partition your disk using a third party tool like Partition Magic ?

CD4

[MysteriousMystery]

I remember some (though not all) of the FTP sites had CD 4 available with the community release (it was later taken down). Has anyone else come across it?

Re:CD4

[linzeal]

It is on EMule, along with CD 5.

Re:CD4

[amishdisco]

...for discs four and five, try emule (or amule). That's where I got them. Be sure and join the club if you end up sticking with Mandrake!

Bittorrent...

[Roguelazer]

Get on that bittorrent people! I'm only getting 1KiB/s, so the Slashdot effect can't have hit the bittorrent. I know it's hard, but you can all use BT instead of the FTP download. It's inverse slashdot effect, really. The more of us there are, the faster the site is. So hop to!

Re:Bittorrent...

[lessthanjakejohn]

I got on the torrent a day after the official was released and downloaded it overnight!

Still haven't installed it, but hey I've got it...

Re:Bittorrent...

[PReDiToR]

Can you post a Torrent then?

The ones that I have all have "tracker down" problems.

Re:Bittorrent...

[Anonymous Coward]

Go to bed. Bittorrent speeds up while you are sleeping.

Re:Bittorrent...

[Chapium]

Seriously.. I'm on cable and uploading 4x faster than I'm downloading. Thats unheard of here!

open proxy installed by default?

[SethJohnson]

I'm running Mandrake 9.2 at work and home. In both cases, the default Apache config runs an open http proxy on port 80. This is a pretty bad security model. It also prevents you from posting to Slashdot. Is this a problem in Mandrake 10?

Here's how you fix this.

Re:open proxy installed by default?

[j1m 5n0w]

I'm running Mandrake 9.2 at work and home. In both cases, the default Apache config runs an open http proxy on port 80. This is a pretty bad security model. It also prevents you from posting to Slashdot. Is this a problem in Mandrake 10?

Well, I'm running Mandrake 10.0, httpd is running, and I can still post to slashdot, so apparently it must be fixed.

-jim

Re:open proxy installed by default?

[brian728s]

If you get any replies from people running mandrake 10, the problem must have been fixed at some point. ;)

2.6 kernel

[Anonymous Coward]

One of the first to offer the 2.6 kernel, but not the first.
Therefore, one of many who are not the first.

As much as I'd like to recommend Mandrake ...

[Anonymous Coward]

The ridiculous song and dance one has to go through to actually *find* the files for download is just too much. I haven't even managed to figure it out myself, much less recommend others try it. Can I find the files consistently, legitimately from an official source, to try their distro for free. Or do I *have* to pay the 'club' fee (i.e. buy the distro...)? Anyone know? Is Mandrake a free distro or not?

Re:As much as I'd like to recommend Mandrake ...

[The Master Control P]

Finding the download is elegantly simple, as I discovered. Google is your friend: search for "mandrake linux download." The first result is to their download page.

Nope

[NineNine]

That story was saying that the Official release was available to payign Mandrake Club members. Now it's freely available to anyone.

Re:Nope

[kidgenius]

Well, Mandrake released it, but then they pulled it off the servers. So it is now back up and should be up for good.

Why is this offtopic?

[0x0d0a]

I cannot figure out why my post is offtopic.

This is the second "offtopic" modded posts I've seen today (the other post was not mine) that I don't think is reasonable.

In general, people seem to be at least reasonable with "Troll" and "Flamebait" tags. Even "Overrated" is somewhat sane, if someone just wants something modded down for a non-mentioned reason. I cannot tell why on earth my post would be considered "Offtopic", though. It was a direct, relevant response to an on-topic post.

Re:Why is this offtopic?

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess the idiot moderators got tired of marking everything "redundant".

WOW!!!

[shaitand]

Check out that features page, it says it includes ATI, NVIDIA and Matrox video cards. Just what I needed, a linux distro that comes with free video cards! woot!

Re:WOW!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Nice, but is it included in *download* version as well? If so, I am going to bit-torrent it now. The problem is, I have only one AGP slot...

Re:WOW!!!

[shaitand]

Dunno, I think I've found the right files, just can't figure out how to extract the cards from the pc...

sure

[mrsev]

Community is like a final release candidate. They consider is stable enought to release but not to sell. All the bugfixes from community go into the official release. The official is the one in the boxes in the shops and is considered stable.

Re:sure

[swv3752]

Community is the same thing as the previous final releases, ie 9.2 or earlier. Official is community plus a couple of months of bugfixes. Otherwise you are correct.

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What are the exact versions of KDE and OpenOffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

The features-page only says 3.2 and 1.1 but KDE 3.2.1 had some (IMHO) critical bugfixes so I'd like to know before downloading... Does anybody know?

yay!

[neko9]

at last! the wait is over. downloading right now. soon all my boxes are belong to Mandy 10 :-)

Re:yay!

[rogabean]

OMG I need mod points cuz that was the absolute funniest thing I have read all day!

Mandrake = Mandy hahahaha

hahahaha

Where is the CD #4?

[Anonymous Coward]

I am a SuSE believer and thus I am not a Mandrake club member. I like however to play with other distributions and compare them with SuSE (SuSE is ALWAYS the best). I used Mandrake for a while in 98-99 ( v. 5.1,5.3, 6.0); back then it was just Red Hat+KDE.

About one month ago I downloaded Mandrake 10 official by using a bootleg torrent. I got 4 CDs. The currrent official download Mandrake 10 edition has only three CDs. The md5 sums of the current isos are the same as the md5 sums of the first three bootleg isos I downloaded a month ago. The CD #4,

1a85f42a5d25a8336ddb45fa8e8c50a3 Mandrakelinux10.0-Official-Download-CD4.i586.iso

is missing, it is not even mentioned in the md5sum file! What happened with this fourth CD?

Re:Where is the CD #4?

[opkool]

CD4 is only available for MDK Club members. If you are not a member, you will not have aces to the ISO.

Although, don't worry. All the contents are accessible through urpmi/rpmdrake (Mandrake's YasT/apt-get/yum software installation rpogram) . Just add the "main" and "contrib" sources to urpmi from the Easy URPMI page here:

http://www.urpmi.org/easyurpmi/

See? All nice and easy.

Peace

Re:Where is the CD #4?

[Anonymous Coward]

First you acknowledge that you're not a Club member. Then you say that Suse is always the best, implying that you'll never become a Club member. Finally, you say you downloaded a bootleg torrent (ie, one made for Club members).

Why should the Club additions be made available to someone who has no intention of supporting or switching to Mandrake?

Re:Dupe?

[thatnerdguy]

not quite...this one is available to every one, where as before it was only available to club members.

Damn it!

[makoffee]

Why did I install community on this box last night!?

Shit

[fsterman]

I have been downloading the Suprnova torrent for a fuking week.

Still an absence of widescreen monitor drivers?

[Angry Black Man]

I was previously unsuccessful at installing MandrakeLinux because I couldn't find a driver for widescreen monitors. My laptop is widescreen and all the resolutions looked like crap on it.

If Mandrake really wants to be user-friendly, it needs to at least compete with Windows XP (which automatically found the perfect resolution) in terms of video ability. Let's face it, 2D video code is so arcane that any software developer should be able to manipulate it perfectly.

Re:Still an absence of widescreen monitor drivers?

[AKnightCowboy]

Let's face it, 2D video code is so arcane that any software developer should be able to manipulate it perfectly.

They can, in 640x480x16 colors. Anything higher (including your funky widescreen laptop) requires tracking hundreds, if not thousands of different video card and monitor types. The video card industry really needs to get back together and come to a standard like they did with VGA. Everything since has been a proprietary hack.

Re:Still an absence of widescreen monitor drivers?

[freedom1776]

Funny... I'm using Mandrake 9.1 on my Dell Inspiron 8500. Resloution is 1680x1050. This isn't a driver setup it is just some mods to XFree86. At home it's on some generic Sony connected to an SGI superwide screen(1600x1024). I just added the right modeline for the resolution and it works. Wide Screens are beautiful.

Hmm..

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe I'm confused, but I'm not a paying member of Mandrake anymore (supported 'em a few years ago, but stopped) and I'm pretty sure I installed Mandrake 10 about 3 weeks ago (but then about 2 weeks ago I threw it away and installed Gentoo on the same machine instead). It was a ftp install, though, not CD. So perhaps it's just the ISOs that are new today?

what in the name of our christian god?!

[Anonymous Coward]

mandy?
MANDY?!!
congratulations sir, you win the dork prize.

woohoo

[Anonymous Coward]

Glad I grabbed them off one of the US ftp mirrors a few hours before this was posted.

Great release, I just finished upgrading 9.2 to 10.0.

Re:Dupe?

[Lord Kano]

Dupe?

No. That was about the official release, but to MandrakeClub members. This is about the free release of the ISOs.

LK

Easy way out

[dark-br]

Just update mandrake-release-10.0-1mdk then:

urpi.removemedia -a
urpmi.addmedia --update updates ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrakelinux/o fficial/updates/10.0/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia main ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/i586/Mandrake/ RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/contrib/i586 with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz

and finaly

urpi --update --auto-select

Doesn't work for me

[yamla]

[sigh] All I get is complaints about QM_MODULES. None of my modules install which makes my system entirely useless. This is on a supposedly clean install, though I also tried an upgrade. I tried with kernel 2.4.x and 2.6.x, no go in any case.

It's a shame. I paid $160 to Mandrake for this and it doesn't work. I was a happy Mandrake 9.2 customer but 10.0 just doesn't work.

Re:Doesn't work for me

[AKnightCowboy]

It's a shame. I paid $160 to Mandrake for this and it doesn't work.

You paid $160 for a free operating system!? P.T. Barnum was dead on.

/runs Debian GNU/Linux

Re:Doesn't work for me

[yamla]

I also run Debian. Different tools for different jobs.

Re:Doesn't work for me

[AhBeeDoi]

You paid $160 for a free operating system!? P.T. Barnum was dead on. Free? Nothing's free. Even this d/l is costing me something. Then I've gotta burn it on disks that aren't free.

Re:Doesn't work for me

[Anonymous Coward]

Free? Nothing's free. Even this d/l is costing me something. Then I've gotta burn it on disks that aren't free.

I install all my Debian Woody boxes from the same 40 meg boot CD-R image of bf24 I made about 2 years ago and the rest installs over FTP using my normal home DSL line. Do you have to pay per megabyte or something? I pay the same price whether I'm pulling 6 Mbps or 0 bps so bandwidth costs are pretty irrelevent to me and it's not like I'm burning CDs all the time of the distribution. Since I run unstable usually it'd be pretty pointless since I'd be downloading 300+ megs of files a week and burning them to CD. ;-)

There have been many, many variations...

[Anonymous Coward]

Here's one:

In Heaven: All the police are British, all the mechanics are German, all the lovers are French, all the chefs are Italian and everything is run by the Swiss.

In Hell: All the police are German, all the mechanics are French, all the lovers are Swiss, all the chefs are British and everything is run by the Italians.

(Fished from http://www.1jma.dk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=607&whichpag e=6)

The first time I heard a joke like this was in reference to European unification about 15 years ago. One guy says to another, something like, "My hope is that unification will mean all the police will be...". After which some other guy says something like, "Yes, but my fear is, all the police will be..."

Re:There have been many, many variations...

[Anonymous Coward]

You have the Italians and French reversed. (i.e., Italians are stereotypically better lovers than the French, and the French are, stereotypically, the best chefs).

Before you dispute this, consider that the joke must work for both genders - i.e., the nationality you pick a best lovers must appeal to both men and women. I think most women would go for the Italian lover over the French one. Most men would be very happy with either.

Corrected:

Heaven
Police: English
Mechanics: German
Lovers: Italian
Chefs: French
Adminstration: Swiss

Hell
Police: German
Mechanics: French
Lovers: Swiss
Chefs: English
Adminstration: Italian

do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[Edmund Blackadder]

I have been a bit slow on developments in consumer computers (having not purchased a new computer in about 6 years). Anyway, can one buy an OS-less PC nowadays? Of course i am looking for one whose price reflects the fact that you are not paying for windows. Or is it possible to buy a pc with linux preinstalled, that would be even better!

Since i no longer have time for games i see no reason in dual booting.

So if I can buy a OS-free pc or a linux PC, could you guys recomend a good reliable place to get it from?

And please do not say "build one yourself". I am not a college kid anymore (unfortunately) and dont have the time/patience to build my own pc.

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[randomErr]

Check out Walmart.com. They have OS'less PC's. The use to have Linux and BSD PC's as well.

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[Anonymous Coward]

Like the other comment, try Wal-Mart, but online, their stores don't have them.

Have a nice day!

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[desiderius7]

PenguinComputing Workstations - very powerful workstations, linux preinstalled, guaranteed compatibility

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[Green Light]

Absolutely! I bought a Dell PowerEdge 400SC without an OS. This is an excellent machine, their "low end" server. Sometimes they have sales on these things & ship 'em out for under 300 USD. Look into it.

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[Tezkah]

Nope! I was just in a local computer shop, and they say that they build their laptops themselves, and although they come with Windows, I asked them if I could get a discount for no OS being installed, and they said they'd get me $100 (Canadian) off.

I'm thinking of getting a cheap Linux laptop after I sell my eMac (a low end Apple, not an emachine).

ANYWAYS, just looking on Linux-Laptop.com, any tips and traps anyone can give me on what distros/models of laptop/ are good for Linux? (does gentoo has some power consumption problems of some sort?) Thanks!

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[marsu_k]

Well, if you would ever do something like upgrade your memory or change a hard drive, and don't consider it "building one yourself", a Shuttle XPC would be my bet. Yes, it's a barebone PC. Yes, you do have to install the processor, memory and hard drives (plus the obligatory DVD-+RW - who needs floppies anymore). But if as you said you don't do gaming, everything basic you'll need from a PC is already there. NIC (on some models two), sound, USB/Firewire and graphics; some models even feature an in-built GF4 MX with two VGA-outs, very nice for an integrated chip.

On the downside, there's only one free PCI slot and one AGP slot should you wan't to install a better graphics card. But on the upside (and surprisingly related to the discussion), all Shuttle XPC models should be shipping with Mandrake - here 's one review of the combination, there are many others to be found, just google for "shuttle mandrake".

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[Tepar]

If you want a laptop, go to http://www.powernotebooks.com. They sell OS-less laptops and laptops with Mandrake (and Xig's X server) preloaded.

Re:do we still have to pay the ms tax?

[toddestan]

You could go to www.retrobox.com - they sell OS-less used computers for cheap. You won't get something blazing fast, but high end P-III systems sell for under $200.

10, 11, 12?

[rattler14]

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else wonder what software companies are going to do to compensate for version numbers that are already at version 10 and up? I know numbering is by far the easiest system for engineer types, but will people start to get annoyed or confused about the difference between mandrake 15 vs suse 12... do these releases actually warrant a whole new number?

And frankly, can't we just call it something new and start from 1 again?

just a thought

Re:10, 11, 12?

[r_cerq]

And frankly, can't we just call it something new and start from 1 again?

Sure!

Re:10, 11, 12?

[r_cerq]

And frankly, can't we just call it something new and start from 1 again?

Sure! (bad link in previous post, spolied the fun)

Re:10, 11, 12?

[Anonymous Coward]

The best version system I know of is the a.b.c system, where a is the major release, b is the minor release, and c is the bugfix release. This keeps the numbers small and descriptive. An example of this convention is the linux kernel.

Re:10, 11, 12?

[bigdavex]

And frankly, can't we just call it something new and start from 1 again?

I hope not. It seems a lot easier to me if releases for anything proceed sequentially. Then there's no question which is newer than which. (E.g., Is Windows ME before or after Windows 98? Solaris vs. Sun OS and such.)

Just my $0.02.

Re:10, 11, 12?

[JeffTL]

Easy, you switch to Roman numerals, like Apple (Mac OS X) or ATI (Radeon X800).

Re:10, 11, 12?

[The Phantom Buffalo]

As long as nobody else goes from 4.9 to 4.10, that's just wrong.

Re:10, 11, 12?

[Halfbaked Plan]

Well, Apple doesn't seem to be scrambling to come out with Mac OS XI. And it's common knowledge that they've had some subtantial upgrades in recent history (big enough to charge people a bunch of money for them, anyway)

Really, they were just copping on the 'mystical X marketing thing.' Which Microsoft did a few years earlier with Active X.

Actually, the only true X is the X Window System.

Accept no substitutes or products that pimp on it's moniker.

Re:10, 11, 12?

[craigmarshall]

You mean like Redhat 8 -> Redhat 9 -> Fedora Core 1?

Torrent

[Anonymous Coward]

4k down, 12k up :(. I hope it picks up soon.

Re:Torrent

[Piquan]

I'm getting 28k down, 23k up. Did you remember to cap your upload speed? That's a common problem with bittorrent on asymmetric links; you've got to cap your u/l speed or your downloads will suck.

You can also use bandwidth shaping to make sure that the outbound ACKs are getting enough of a chunk of the pipe. That's what I do here. It keeps my web and ssh at good speeds, and gets the ACKs out so my d/l doesn't suck.

Piece of crap

[Anonymous Coward]

What the hell is this piece of crap? I cannot get the thing to install unless I tell it not to use dma for my hard drives. Great, slow ass install. Then when it finally finishes, all I get is complaints about QM_MODULE. The thing doesn't even boot properly! I've used lots of other Linux systems on this computer and never had a problem.

Suprnova torrent

[Anonymous Coward]

For me it worked better - I got all 4 CDs in about 6 hours.

Yes but I solved it

[Anonymous Coward]

I noticed that this "problem" did indeed "corrupt" my system. The solution was quite trivial. I simply removed the offending partition and formatted it as ext3.

they weren't talking about fedora

[olorinpc]

RedHat did dump the home user when they discontinued they home os and when to just enterprise distros.

Fedora is an spinoff that core redhat devs use to test things for their enterprise releases.

They weren't bashing fedora, just the redhat company, there is a difference.

(and yes i use fedora for my server os)

Re:they weren't talking about fedora

[Anonymous Coward]

you are aware that fedora is specifically designed to NOT be used as a server os? Don't believe an Anonymous Coward though; ask redhat.

I suspect you're doing something wrong

[jbellis]

I've installed Mandrake 10 official on 3 systems and it works fine.

UTF-8 locales

[egy]

I've tried Community Edition recently, and I wonder when will they make UTF-8 locales work right. While I'm using KOI8-R locale (I am from Ukraine) it's fine, but there is a lot of troubles with Unicode locales - complete mess in logs, broken fonts in mc (BTW, why doesn't it installs by default ?) and some other apps, to name a few. I mean Unicode is good , but in its current state it useless as for me.

P.S. It seems like Mandrake CE is slightly slower than my Slackware - one more reason to stay with Slack :)

Good for Mom and Dad?

[Piquan]

My dad has a box that's no good for any Windows past 98, and now that it's EOL'd, I'm thinking about recommending he move to Linux. (I'm a FreeBSD guy myself, but it looks like a lot of the Linux distros are more friendly to the Windows emigrant.)

All he uses the box for is email, web, and reading his digital camera.

Can anybody comment on Mandrake 10's suitability for such a user? Ease of use (particuarly when the geek is four states away)? Any anecdotes about Mandrake's support?

I'm going to install it here on a VMware box to evaluate myself, but would like some opinions from longer-term users.

Re:Good for Mom and Dad?

[flokemon]

If your dad's box is hardly good enough for Win98, I very much doubt it will have enough resources for Mandrake 10.

Mandrake 10 hardware recommendations

Other than that I would definitely recommend it, although I haven't tried reading my digital camera on it yet.

Re:Good for Mom and Dad?

[sheeny]

I think what's more important is what window manager he uses. I would recommend throwing a little more RAM in the machine and using ICE or XFCE which should do the trick.

RAM is dead cheap these days and any distro should do - just use a light window manager and he should be A-OK.

Good luck.

Mandrake Cooker

[gregeth]

I've been running Mandrake Cooker(10.1?) now for a couple of months, and it's great. I think I just like the feeling of being so bleeding edge that my laptop gets a little soaked sometimes. I mean, Mandrake 10! Come on, that's so last month.
I thought the /. crowd only liked a distro if you have to recompile your test kernel to even get it to boot.

What are we coming to...before you know it we'll be saying that Linus didn't come up with Linux.

Oh, wait...

ok who the fuck cares

[Anonymous Coward]

RTFS..

Re:I run Windows.

[Anonymous Coward]

Run along now son, let the adults handle this.

MOD UP -- not a "fedora" bug... its a kernel bug

[Anonymous Coward]

but slashdot just loves to slam anything redhat related...

Slackware - drink the nectar of the gods.

[inertialmatrix]

Woah there cowboy.. you're forgetting the _*best_ linux distro available.

Ahemm...

(sound of thunder crashing - deep voice of God)

SlackWare Linux

Now forget mandrake, be a man and get out there and pick yourself up some slack.
Mr. Dobbs loves you.

;)

* Actually I take that back.. feel free to reply with what you think is good or not good with slack.

Re:Slackware - drink the nectar of the gods.

[harikiri]

No offense to slack users, I just haven't touched it since I first got started with Linux, almost 8 years ago. ;)

I still have memories of trying to find 6 (?) non-dodgy floppies to store it on, heheh.

Re:Slackware - drink the nectar of the gods.

[Anonymous Coward]

No offense to you, but how the hell do you get modded +5 for saying that you last touched slack 8 years ago/smilie-wink

"hehhe, I have memories of old floppies - I get modded +5"

I mean damn, the grand parent was interesting and the parent was funny with the dobs reference but this ipost is just boring.

Re:Slackware - drink the nectar of the gods.

[DMadCat]

* Actually I take that back.. feel free to reply with what you think is good or not good with slack. There are bad things about Slackware? I wanted to learn linux about a year and half ago. The first distro I'd picked up (the one you heard most about) was Redhat. The install was easy enough and everything was very Windows-like which surprised me not knowing what to expect from this linux animal. Then after about a week my display suddenly went south. I logged in to find there was no gui in my gui.

So after a bit of tooling around and a couple of reinstalls which always resulted in the same problem (fonts, buttons, toolbars all failing to show up) I gave up and tried Mandrake. It was nice and all but still way too much like Redhat and Windows for my liking. Besides that I wasn't learning anything about the infamous command-line everyone's so hyped about.

At that point (about a month in) I ditched linux for a while and went with FreeBSD which worked really great! At the same time I still found a lot of programs that I couldn't use with it so I once again began a search for another distro.

I found Slackware after reading an article about Linux in the workplace wherein the author got a new job and immediately ditched windows for his favorite linux distro, Slackware. Intrigued (ya gotta admit the name is cool) I sought it out and found out (by reading reviews) that it was difficult to install and had a steep learning curve which made it even more appealing to me.

I have to say, Slackware was just as easy (if not easier) to install than any of the previous three OS's and the dreaded "steep learning curve" is really more of a gentle slope. Slack uses not only its own packaging system but also has an RPM installer as well as the ability to convert RPMs to TGZs. As for a gui, you can install Gnome with a minimum of fuss using Dropline Gnome.

With the recent addition of Swaret to keep your distro current, Slackware really has the advantage of being an easy to use, EXTREMELY stable linux distro that is not only functional but also serves as a gentle introduction to the command line.

You know what they say... once you go Slack, you never go back!

unencrypted pen drive?

[poptones]

I wonder if they fixed this version? Because I've been futzing around with the 10.0 "community version" that was released earlier and I've never been able to get it to actually mount an encrypted drive - home or otherwise. I've scoured newsgroups for help and found nothing but years old howtos on using loopback support with the older kernels. I'm told there's a bug in modloop (I think it was) but because the "update your system" wizard also cannot seem to get through to some server in de (no matter which server I try initially) I can never get any insight into what packages actually need patching.

I tried mandrake 7 and 8 and they were both a bit wanting but overall pretty good - at least I was able to connect and pull in system updates. But I've reinstalled this goddamned OS at least thirty times (yes, literally) on two different machines and it's always broken roughly the same way. Since I get no error messages and the discs checkout fine with the disc checking tool I can only assume this is another example of why .0 releases are bad news.

That said, tomorrow it's off to the library to fetch the new fedora core.

Still looking for that linux release that will let me confidently wipe my windows partition for good...

AMD64?

[alexandre]

Anyone knows when it will be released? :)

Re:AMD64?

[ChiaKemp]

Mandrake 10 Official for AMD 64 was released on May 4th. Looks like it'll cost you about $129.00 (U.S.) unless your a club memeber then you get a discount or a pony or something.

Re:AMD64?

[boy_afraid]

Or you could FTP it from the mirrors. It's in the DEV directories, but they were last updated today, May 5, 2004. I'm going to put it ALL on a DVD, but I need to learn how to make a Linux distro bootable on a DVD/CDROM.

Re:AMD64?

[stock]

Mandrake 10 Official for AMD 64 was released on May 4th. Looks like it'll cost you about $129.00 (U.S.) unless your a club memeber then you get a discount or a pony or something.
I took a Mandrakeclub Silver Bullet star account some time ago, which costed me EU 120,= for 1 year. Oh and what a silver bullet it has been!

If have BitTorrent Downloaded the following stuff since then :

Mandrake 9.1 i586 Bamboo 3cd-set (off. ed.)
Mandrake 9.2 i586 Fivestar 3cd-set (off. ed.)
Mandrake 9.2RC1 AMD64 Fivestar 3cd-set (Beta)
Mandrake 9.2.1 i586 Fivestar SpecialClub ed. 3cd-set
Mandrake 9.2.1 i586 SpecialClub PowerPack 3cd-set
Mandrake Linux 9.2 FiveStar-AMD64 (Official Download) 4cd-set
Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official-download-i586 4cd-set
Mandrake linux 10.0RC1 AMD64 3cd-set

Only one missing here would be : Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official-download-AMD64 4cd-set. But they charge EU 119,= for that. Well give me a break! Mandrake has done the efforts which most have seen impossible on the Linux Desktop Platform. So if i am to purchase a dual Opteron hotrod, i certainly not only want to make sure Tyan stays around, but also Mandrake.

HOWTO CREATE A BOOTABLE DVD-R iso from 3 or 4 seperate Mandrake iso sets :

# mkdir /cd1 /cd2 /cd3 /cd4
#
# losetup /dev/loop1 /mnt/mdk100/mdk100-cd1.iso
# losetup /dev/loop2 /mnt/mdk100/mdk100-cd2.iso
# losetup /dev/loop3 /mnt/mdk100/mdk100-cd3.iso
# losetup /dev/loop4 /mnt/mdk100/mdk100-cd4.iso
#
# mount -t iso9660 /dev/loop1 /cd1
# mount -t iso9660 /dev/loop2 /cd2
# mount -t iso9660 /dev/loop3 /cd3
# mount -t iso9660 /dev/loop4 /cd4
# cd /cd1
# cp -a * /mnt/data/mdk100-dvd
# cd ../cd2
# cp -a * /mnt/data/mdk100-dvd
# cd ../cd3
# cp -a * /mnt/data/mdk100-dvd
# cd ../cd4
# cp -a * /mnt/data/mdk100-dvd
#
# cd /mnt/data/
# ./make-mdk100-dvd
# cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -dao mdk100-dvd.iso

make-mdk100-dvd :
#!/bin/sh

cd /mnt/data

/usr/bin/mkisofs -o /mnt/data/mdk100-dvd.iso \
-b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat \
-no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table \
-hide-joliet-trans-tbl \
-l -r -L -J -V "Mandrake 10.0 i586 DVD" -P "STOCK-2004052001" \
-p "stock" -A "Mandrake 10.0 i586 DVD" "/mnt/data/mdk100"

echo " Done!"
exit 0

How's the wireless support?

[penginkun]

One thing that's holding me back on linux is the less-than-stellar wireless support. Keeps my PC on Windows XP when I'd rather be using linux.

How is Mandrake 10's wireless support? Can it work with a D-Link DWL-G510 card? Can it be made to work?

Re:How's the wireless support?

[Akai]

I just did a raw install of MDK 10 official last week (I'm a silver member) on my work laptop since I get so frustrated using windows I want to hit things.

Anyways, I was at a conference and borrowed an Orinoco wireless card, slammed it in the side and powered up the laptop. It detected a new wireless card, asked me for SSID type stuff and came right up.

Mandrake also supports hotplugging of network interfaces, so if there's no carrier on your built-in-ethernet it doesn't try to bring it up.

As for the dlink card, you might want to check here and see if they list it.

good luck

Re:How's the wireless support?

[l0ss]

I've been fighting with Mandrake 10 (Comm. Ed.) for a couple of weeks now to get my Linksys WUSB 12 interface working. No dice. I'm getting closer, but not there yet. Apparently the Prism 2 chipset has proved problematic for many Mandrake users. USB hotswapping is also apparently a problem with some USB Wi-Fi adapters. Ugh...

Re:How's the wireless support?

[penginkun]

Thanks. I can't seem to get anything to come up on their hardware support search. I put in "d-link" in the free search box and it just brought me back to the main search page with no results.

Any suggestions?

Re:How's the wireless support?

[Anonymous Coward]

try ndiswrapper (I'm told there is support for it in mdk 10.0 out of the box, but just in case: http://ndiswrapper.sf.net ). Took me 3 minutes and 3 command lines to get my Intel 2200BG 802.11g up and running. It's still in development and lacking any sort of gui, but it works nicely. Just had to put WIRELESS_ESSID and WIRELESS_MODE in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0.

Re:How's the wireless support?

[Anonymous Coward]

I loaded up Mandrake 10 last nite on an Acer Travelmate 525TXV Laptop. After the install and reboot, i stuck in my Linksys WPC-11 card and pow - I was surfing the web. No configing, no hassles, it just worked.

I guess I should also mention that the same laptop/wireless card also works great with Slack :)

Bad pricing..

[Anonymous Coward]

Remember, if you use Mandrakelinux, join the club or buy a box to support them

Yeah at 379.90 dollars? Looks like someone is a wee bit overpriced.

Re:Bad pricing..

[Akai]

RTFS Assmonkey, the club is as little as $66, any only $132 for silver which gets you the "powerpack" versions of the ISOs.

The boxes start at $50 for the "Discovery" version, $85 for the powerpack, and $230 for the powerpack plus

The more expensive ones ($380 for PowerPackPlus subscription) entitle you two CD sets for the next two releases as well (10,10.1 and 10.2 for example, assuming version inflation doesn't happen)

Re:Bad pricing..

[Anonymous Coward]

$380 is $380 you fat fucking moron. I really wonder how shitwits like you end up on here. Take your crippled fat fucking girlfriend and your fat ass and go out for a god damn jog before you reply to me you monkey. Just remember fatass, the only reason you work in computer hardware is because it's SIMPLE. It's what the morons in the IT world do. The real men are programmers.

give it a while for it to connect to other people

[cyrax777]

Ive found my download speed will soon catch up as Bittorrent connects to more and more people im currently getting 26kbs and climbing

Re:Can I have a non-existent SARIN shell, please?

[Anonymous Coward]

You wouldn't happen to be refering to this , would you?

I used to be a club member

[vlad_petric]

For two years, as a matter of fact. I joined for three reasons - 1. I could give back to MDK without paying the 2. Duval's March call (2 years ago) 3. Subscription is the way to go for Linux, IMHO (because of the very rapid movement in the Opensource World)

Once thing I was promised was my voice to be heard. Another one - to get some benefits.

My voice was heard, but only by other members. I asked once - "are we gonna get a dvd iso as well ? (regarding 9.2)". Not a single answer from MDK. When 9.2 was released, Gold members were given an ISO download, but not bronze/silver (I can't really afford a Gold membership, I'm just a student). What I really disliked is that they didn't tell me anything. And nobody can really argue that they didn't notice my message, since the traffic on MDK club is very small.

The benefits - well, the package system is reasonably good. Other than that ... it certainly doesn't feel like a subscription service. There are many products (like the x86-64 distro) that are not available for club members at all. For the main distro itself, it felt that I was paying to be a betatester more than a priviledged downloader.

I think that the way to go for MDK is to convert the club into a true subscription model (not the very ambiguous hafl charity, half business thing that the club currently is). Until then I'll be happily using MDK on my laptops without being a member, but won't be too sorry if I have to switch to Debian.

Re:I used to be a club member

[mrscorpio]

Well, they just hired or are looking to hire someone to be dedicated to the Club, so hopefully it's going to get better soon.

I have three months left on my year...only time will tell if I renew.

Chris

Re:I used to be a club member

[sasha328]

A couple of years ago, I purchased Mandrake (8 I think, just before they were about to go broke) from Mandrake's online store. I did not receive the package on the date it was supposed to be delivered. I waited a few more days, and then I contacted them. They did not reply to my emails.
I had to send several emails, and the last one was a very angry email, asking them for a refund and really complaining about their lack of service. It was a really frustrating time, and from then on, I am not surprised that they have a problem with customer communications.

Re:I used to be a club member

[Anonymous Coward]

I use Mandrake 9.1 on my laptop and Gentoo for fun on test machines. Having used free ISOs of Mandrake for a while, I decided last year that I'd like to offer some kind of financial support, so I tried to enquire about the Club benefits, but got no reply at all to my email. I've also emailed Mandrake with a couple of product enquiries and never heard a word back. In the end I just bought a boxed set of 9.1 PowerPack.

Is the communication problem a language issue? I've never been game to try my schoolboy French on them to see if that helps. Do any French-speakers have stories about Mandrake repsonse times?

You have to admire Mandrake as a major player for sticking with users, in contrast to Red Hat, and offering genuinely free ISO downloads, in contrast to SUSE. Googling for Linux help also turns up a load of Mandrake pages - available for free and better than the SUSE information that I pay for in my Openexchange maintenance.

If Mandrake could just sort out its customer response problems it would take on a new air of professionalism that might inspire more confidence from those of us using Linux in the enterprise. It's hard to pay for support, maintenance or a subscription from a company that doesn't respond to enquiries.

why do I have disable-ware then

[Dot_Killer]

I really love my Mandrake installation, I think it is 8.x.

I've downloaded some 9.x distro and 10 before but cannot use them. You install all the packages then you get some disabled version that only has a few applications and that it unless you join the club. Is that what Linux is about, limited OS unless you pay licensing fees.

Re:why do I have disable-ware then

[iapetus]

Try removing the crack-smoking package.

There's no disable-ware on Mandrake that I've ever come across. I'm currently unable to join the club, and I'm able to run a full version of 9.2 at home.

Re:why do I have disable-ware then

[opkool]

Mmmm,

Maybe having more than 8,000 (eight thousand) packages available to everybody, is not enough for you.

And no cripple-ware found at all.
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Ma in/Rel easesHistory

Peace

Re:why do I have disable-ware then

[ErixTr]

The problem is between the computer and the chair.

Hate to say it...

[Anonymous Coward]

but I've been using Mandrake 10 after upgrading from Mandrake 9.2 for one week and frankly it's been a freaking nightmare.

Now, everytime KDE starts I have to run alsaconf to get my sound back. Not to mention that after finishing a session, KDE dies miserably and takes me down to shell mode. Also, file associations for Openoffice were lost and don't even think about running drakconf or I'll have to reboot.

I wish I hadn't tried to upgrade but I guess I'll be pushing for a better next release....

Weeks ago on eBay

[Halfbaked Plan]

I got my copy of Mandrake 10.0 on ebay weeks ago.

Funny thing. I paid for it immediately with PayPal, and it arrived a few days later. But then eBay followed up with a letter telling me I didn't have to follow through on my end (the buyers end) of the deal because the seller's account had been deleted.

Kinda sucked, because I was all ready to give the dude positive feedback for shipping it so fast.

Re: First

[dmitrygr]

Hello, Mr. Gates. Welcome to slashdot, and thank you for your informative comment.

SpeedTouch modems

[sparkz]

And please remember that the Alcatel/Thomson SpeedTouch modem is not yet supported for this kernel version.

Hassle the http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ team for this, not the http://speedtouchconf.sourceforge.net "team" (ie, me) for it.

Re:SpeedTouch modems

[Anonymous Coward]

not releated to the thread, but thanks.
I just used speedtouchconf to get my pipex adsl set up a couple of days ago. It worked flawlessly.

Re:SpeedTouch modems

[Anonymous Coward]

I use an Alcaltel speedtouch right now with Mandrake v10, I've been using it since Mandrake 9.1

Not only me, but several other people I know as well.

I have no idea what your problem is, works fine for me...

one thing I *DO* know, is that it's NOT Mandrake's fault (or any other distro for that matter), its Thompsons fault...

I think I had the issue you mention way back around Mandrake v7.x (7.2? 7.5? I cant remember), but then I couldn't get the Alcatel to work with ANYTHING, not windows, even tried 3 different ISPs, and it didn't work with 2 of them, but 1 of them did.

Luckily I happened to go to a seminar put on by Thompson and the VP was there, so I railed on them a bit, and found out the answer - turned out to be a bad setting in the modem itself. Though these days I forget what that was. Haven't had the problem since.

there was also an issue around 9.1 or 9.2 where the /etc/default/pppoe file had a typoe in it during the script auto-configure for pppoe, but that was easy to fix as well. And this was fixed in the final 9.2 release not that you couldnt do it yourself in 2 seconds...

Turned out to be a simple typoe in the modem config way back then (dont you hate those) - but I'm sure they've fixed this now because even my friends with new modems work just fine....

Re:SpeedTouch modems

[sparkz]

Pleased to hear it. Could you tell http://speedtouch.sf.net/ the secret? They've not got it working yet.

If you're using the speedtch driver, could you provide details? (ie, how to configure, etc, as well as SMP support?)

Cheers,

Steve.

Worked for me.

[matrix0f8h]

Thanks.

Mod parent up.

a review of various distros

[RouterSlayer]

First of all, I've used just about every distro out there, and even some you've never heard of...

Way back since the slackware days, even kernel 1.0 days and before that... Yes floppies were great.

Mandrake has had its troubles, not the least of which has been the financial stuff that it's now finally out of...

But even before Red Hat 7.0 it was a better distro. Its always had better package management.

I see people whine that Debian is better JUST because of "apt get", well guess what? Mandrake has that too! so get a clue...

and RPM? well it does that... and it does it all better. I have yet to see a better packager than URPMI... ever.

also, through all my testing over the years, I have never, EVER seen a distro support all my hardware "out of the box", I mean, it JUST WORKS. On all the wierd laptops I've owned, it installs and runs like a charm, every time, supporting all the whacky devices without me having to do a thing. ever...

wireless? yep, it was there, done and work, weird ass DSL setups, it worked. and it detected it all and set it up right, the first time... during install.

Package support? it has soo many different packages, for desktops, for servers, for whatever you want, even if you want everything. Me, of course, I experiment, so I literally install EVERYTHING, and it still works!

Today, for newbies I always point them at Mandrake, its dirt simple to install, and it gets it all correct, the first time, no weird questions, no BS, ever. it just works. period. and thats what people want.

for the hardcore people, I still recommend it, for servers, I still recommend it. always.

no matter what you are trying to do, it'll support it, no matter what your hardware, it'll work.

if it doesn't, you did something wrong. I hate people who say "Well I just installed it and it doesn't work" well guess what, it is STILL possible to do "something wrong" even then.

I watched friends do this, and they complain that whatever doesnt work afterwards, and I noticed during install they didnt select those packages... well, guess what? it wont work... duhhhh... and they even claim they selected "everything"... uh, no, I was watching bubba, you missed more than half of it. hello...

if you have a specific use, need a specific package, and specifically DONT choose it during install, of course it wont be there... jeez, get a clue...

I dont know of a better distro, I've been supporting them since way back when, and always will, I pay support, I buy extra stuff, you name it.

right now on the market there aren't many choices...

Debian - forget it.
Fedora - this thing is a joke
SUSE - I hate Yast with a passion
slackware - they ruined it after 7.0
nuff said.

Re:a review of various distros

[j1m 5n0w]

and RPM? well it does that... and it does it all better. I have yet to see a better packager than URPMI... ever.

I won't say it's better, because I haven't used it much, but fedora's yum seems quite similar to urpmi, and is easy to set up to get stuff from local mirrors.

Me, of course, I experiment, so I literally install EVERYTHING, and it still works!

I installed Mandrake today and was disappointed by the lack of a simple "install everything" option. What's the point of all those CDs if most stuff has to be manually selected?

Another minor gripe: it asks for the CDs again after installation. Why aren't all the packages for network configuration installed by default? Don't almost all users connect their boxes to the network these days? Argh!

(Note: despite my whining, I really do like Mandrake, I just felt obligated to add some diversity to the hundreds of "yay Mandrake" posts)

-jim

Re:a review of various distros

[Anonymous Coward]

Really? It'll support all my hardware? You guarantee it will? Wow! How fantastic, that they've written drivers for all this hardware I have that doesn't work in any other distribution, but.. Well, you just said it'll work, so it must! Thanks!

Jackass.

Re:a review of various distros

[cpghost]

My ideal distro would install a huge tarball with all usual stuff (X, KDE, GNOME), plus a system like Portage to update or install new stuff easily. Unfortunately, nothing like this is in sight yet. Gentoo may be a step in the right direction, but their installation procedure is horrible (for newbies). If they streamlined and automated the initial install process, it would be a fairly decent distro.

Re:a review of various distros

[skiman1979]

I just installed Gentoo recently on my home system. I was overwhelmed at first with the 100+ page installation handbook. I agree that Mandrake's near-automated installation is MUCH easier, but I don't think we'll be seeing an automated install for Gentoo anytime soon. As far as using Portage, how is that much better than urpmi? I haven't really used Portage much yet, being new to Gentoo, but from what I've read about it, it seems similar to urpmi, at least on the surface. In mandrake, you want to update everything? "urpmi --update --auto-select". In Gentoo, update everything? "emerge -up world". The latter is a little shorter to type, but that's not really an issue. Or "urpmi "

Re:a review of various distros

[evilviper]

also, through all my testing over the years, I have never, EVER seen a distro support all my hardware "out of the box"

Me either, and I've tried Mandrake...

Last machine I tried it on, it couldn't handle the soundcard to save it's life.

What bothered me much more though, was how terribly it handled network config. The network card's drivers were loaded, and the IP address had been typed-in where it should have been, but it wouldn't work at boot-up. You had to launch one of Mandrake's half-dozen config tools, and visit the network section, then click the button, and it would load the IP settings... It had all the settings pre-set in it's config file, it just didn't apply them until you started that program and clicked apply/okay/test or whatever that button was called.

While I'm ranting, all of the dozen configuration tools have some overlaping functionality. Worst of all they all have a completely different interface, and no rhyme or reason as to which one handles which aspects of system configuration.

slackware - they ruined it after 7.0

What did they ruin? I still love slackware. Slackware is the only distro where you can still compile any program you want from source. All other Linux distros are not installing -dev packages by default, and make it quite difficult to select that option. Gentoo is the exception, but portage is absolutely a complete mess (explained below).

Slackware's package manager is really nice. Packages are just a tar-ball with custom text files. Even if you don't have slackware's package manager, you just untar the packages in your root directory, then run the single script (eg. "sh install/doinstall.sh"). They always have the devel portions with the binary portion (which is damn nice, and doesn't take up much space) and it doesn't go ape-shit when I have installed dependencies of that package, from source or any other way that doesn't go through the package manager. rpm has --nodeps, but even forcing that stuff doesn't always work, and if it does, you can still find you have problems with them working together. I've never had any real problems with Slackware.

Portage has the potential to be nice, but it's just a mess. The only way to live with portage is to never sync with the latest tree, and to do a lot of editing of the .ebuild files. For most ebuilds, there are several unnecessary dependencies that just can't be disabled without editing the ebuilds, and trust me, the ebuild files are not easy to edit, they really are a mess with massive complexity, wraping lines, no formatting to speak of, etc. This would be taken care of if Gentoo force people to use the USE flags properly, but since they accept all these thousands of poorly-made ebuilds, it has become a mess. Just to install something simple like PHP, you'll find that the whole of the GNOME desktop is getting built, which is incredibly unnecessary, and it's a hell of a pain to trace down the ebuilds of all dependencies, and dependencies of dependencies, and check and edit the e-builds manually, one-by-one.

The other problem is emerge sync. First of all, I should say that there are dozens of Linux projects that just can't be compiled from source because Gentoo is custom enough that building from source won't work properly. LIRC is one I dealt with just recently. It has a minor problem, but others have much more significant ones. So, when you want to build a newer version of a package than the version your inital emerge came with, you have to sync.

When you sync, you get all the latest packages available. Sounds good right? Wrong. You find that, although you have a package installed, portage doesn't like that version of the package, and now that a newer version is available, it MUST install that never version. So, basically, every time you run an emerge sync, you have to rebuild absolutely every program you have installed on your system, just so you can get on

Better, faster, more

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux is just waaaaay ahead man. I just love it when a new release is faster and has better functionality than the previous.

the version i heard was:

[Anonymous Coward]

in heaven, the music is british, the cooking is french, and the beer is german

in hell, the cooking is british, the beer is french, and the music is german

Re:the version i heard was:

[Nasarius]

in hell...the music is german

Strange. Some of the greatest composers of all time were German (Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Schumann, etc). Even a lot of their modern music isn't bad.
But I suspect the joke was referring to the silly Oktoberfest style bands :)

never take tips from gay vegetarians

[Anonymous Coward]

I dont know where you travel but Ill take a german fraulein any day. I was at the LoveParade the past few years and it was simply amazing. I worked in a few bavarians towns before settling for a few months of travel between Munich, Koln and Stuttgart and the german female shot putter prejudice is somewhat akin to a european watching Oprah, Roseanne and others and thinking that US women are all blimps. (that said, you will see more morbidly obese women in any small US town in one day than you will see in Europe in a month....has to be the junk food)

As for food, Im a meat and potatoes kind of guy ... I dont need 18 sauces to hide the taste of what I eat. Im also a big boy and those fancy foods are usually served just enough to feed some anorexic Hollywood stick.
The Poles have the best delis anywhere. Their hams, sausages and other artery cloggers are simply unreal. And portions....Texas sized.!

OP

Pricing

[Rick Zeman]

I use Mandrake....9.2 with some cooker stuff added (newer postfix, mailman and a 2.6.6 kernel). Before that, I used 3 different versions of Caldera (3.0, 2.x and 1.3) before they became the evil SCOmpire.
I used to support Caldera by buying a box set of whichever version it was. I could usually pick it up at my neighborhood Costco for under 30 bucks. It was a good deal for me and it put some money in Caldera's coffers. TANSTAAFL. Everyone was happy.

rant
With Mandrake, I want to do the same thing and I'm continually astounded by HOW FUCKING EXPENSIVE it is...$50USD for the 2 CD set (which gives less than the download) and $90 for the full-featured 8 CD set.
So then I say, well, let me see what it costs to join the Mandrake Club: $66...and you don't seem to get anything other than the ability to download the ISOs earlier than anyone else for that level.
I'm a Mac user. I'm used to paying for software, but this is ridiculous, especially since a distro is current for only ~6 months and support's for 2 years. /rant

Re:Pricing

[Anonymous Coward]

I use Mandrake because it is so reasonable in price. I buy the power pack CD's for only $65 and I get a stable OS, Word (OO Write), Photoshop (GIMP), Corel Draw (OO Draw), firewall, and antivirus (linux) for only about the price that windows users pay for their antivirus. I also get compilers and other goodies that I can't afford.

Most all of my co-workers have solved the price problem by stealling MSoft and other windows software.

I'm a teacher so I have unlimited financial resources (;-}) and the $65 is only a slight dent in my vast wealth. People who are not on my economic rung can get it for free.

Why its a Joke

[Anonymous Coward]

why its a joke :

CANADA stand for :

C ourageous
A merican
N oble
A merican
D efender
A merica ( Of )

Canadian have Canadian Culture its superior to the French , British , and Etat-Unians , because in part its a mix of all of them with some other too added to the mix.

Whe have "all" the cooking of the world as to do with freedom , you cant have freedom without choice , In Canada whe earned our Country and our freedom and whe Canadian value freedom.

American technology ? Ho , thats right stupid Etat-Unians think that they build technology and that Canadian are not the Real americans , lol.

You always make fun of people you cant beat.

The French beat the British
The British beat the French
The US of A beat the British.
Canada Beat the US of A

Everyone make fun of Canada , Canada like laughing ;-), whe always have the last laugh.

Enough Said

[Nom du Keyboard]

Before downloading our products, we ask for your support by joining the Mandrakelinux Users Club. The Club was created to fund the development of the Mandrakelinux distribution and to pay the salaries of employees who are dedicated to "external" Free Software projects such as the Linux

'Nuf said.

Re:MBR Problems

[Anonymous Coward]

with the MDK 10c Release you can have the issue not being able to boot up a windows install. Anyway, that can be fixed and there's a workaround described in the FAQ on the mandrake site.

Review of the MDK 10 PowerPack

[stewartj]

I bought the Powerpack last week and reviewed it:

Mandrake 10.0 Official Powerpack Review

On the whole, I love it.

drakx sucks (usability)

[goon]

I've got a mandrake 10 (com. ed.) running now. for a commodity box. it does the job. but the drakx (system config tool) installer sucks. I thought I had a (real - guts) problem with it. It was interesting to use mandrake 5.3 (with the redhat installer) to get the network card to install. It turned out to be a raid problem and ripping it out solved it.

from there, drakx was a usability (lipstick) problem. option selection is the biggest problem. not a showstopper but a PIA.

Faster than downloading?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're stuck at 1K/sec, try getting it on a cd from one of the many free-cd vendors. Might actually end up arriving faster than it would download!

Problems with kdevelop

[Chris_Jefferson]

Just on little note in case you are a fan of kdevelop. Lots of mandrake 10.0 users are having problems with projects of any complexity in kdevelop. The current recommended fix for the brave is to recompile from source. Personally I'm just going somewhere else till .1

Re:Problems with kdevelop

[BenjyD]

I found that problem too - the workaround is to switch off the file selector plugin for now.

Mirror, Europe

[Yenya]

For those who do not have bittorrent client, my mirror has still plenty of unused bandwidth. So feel free to use it, especially if you are in Europe.

-Yenya

How's the wireless speed?

[haeger]

I've had some trouble with wireless devices and speed. It seems like whenever I add a linux-box to my wireless network the accesspoint drops to 10mbit or something since this is the only speed that those Linuxes support (Mdk9.2 for one).
Highly annoying.
Yes it works, but it doesn't work well.

That said, MDK is still my favourite distro and I gladly run it. I'm just hoping for the AMD64 version to come out.

.haeger

Re:How's the wireless speed?

[Akai]

Actually now that you mention it I did have to do the following:
iwconifg eth1 rate auto

and it went from 1mb/s to 11mb/s.

I noticed if you go into the Mandrake GUI config stuff there's a blank to put the rate in, which makes it boot-time.

Dispelling the stereotype...

[perly-king-69]

With British police like this, and chefs like this I know which I'd prefer.

The rest of it's about right though...

why is this modded up 5?

[Anonymous Coward]

i agree

MD5 Checksums

[MyNameIsMok]

hi, I downloaded the Mandrake ISOs yesterday (twice! just to be sure), and neither time did the md5sum's of the files match those listed on their web site. Is it me? Or have others noticed this as well?
sTc

almost right

[G�tz]

Thanks for referring to my page, but the URL is wrong: right URL.

Warning: these packages aren't updated anymore, they've been merged into Cooker, which will become 10.1.

The university's admins must hate me for linking my page on /. :-)

Re:almost right

[wemgadge]

everytime I post a URL on slashdot, a space gets added in the middle! Doh!

(I REALLY have to learn to type)

Re:almost right

[wemgadge]

and I didn't realize there was a separate repository just for the cooker RPMS...doh!

I'm getting outta here while the karma is still good!

Re:almost right

[Anonymous Coward]

That's because you're supposed to make it a link, fool.

Re:almost right

[Anonymous Coward]

If you bothered to learn how to make a proper link, you wouldn't have that problem.

I'm a German Mandrakelinux contributor

[G�tz]

While MandrakeSoft is a French company, the distribution community has members from all over the world. I'm from Germany, others are from Canada, China, South Africa and other countries. So I wouldn't call mdk a French distribution.

custom distro?

[golgafrincham]

yeah, a bit offtopic, but nevermind. a friend of mine lives in a house where a lot of other students live and they're running their own lan (yeah, still mostly used for quakeworld) but also use it for this funny internet/intranet thingy. since most of the students are, erm, not that geekish, he came up with the idea to build a custom distro that includes all they need for their net activities. they all use standard, well supported hardware (like old geforces and stuff). since i like this kinda thing, what would be a good starting point for that? debian? lfs? i mean, i crossinstall hurd once a month (i know, i'm sooo brave), so i'm a bit biased in terms of usability.

Stop complaining about the download times

[beforewisdom]

You can go to a big comptuer store and probally buy Mandrake in less time and support Mandrake in the process.

If you can wait about a week you can get Mandrake for about $4 from

http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/index.p hp

I have also seen some impressive prices on linux, even Suse on ebay.

Steve

Already downloaded it two nights ago

[trigggl]

Why didn't I let Slashdot know?

Because I wanted to be able to download it. A forum user named only "Bruno of Amsterdam" let a few of us know before it was posted anywhere.

You know it will be impossible to download now that it's on Slashdot. That's probably why it took a full day for Slashdot to post it. I'm sure there are some anonymous cowards out there who did the same thing.

Re:Already downloaded it two nights ago

[boy_afraid]

Same here. Currently, I'm secretly ftping Mandrake 10.0 Official AMD64. Good thing I have a DVD burner. The last update to the AMD64 code base was yesterday, the same day the 32-bit version was released.

You probably got Mandrake 10.0 "Community"

[trigggl]

That is not the same thing as 10.0 "Official".

The guy probably disappeared before you figured out the difference. I don't think the CD's where available weeks ago.

Re:You probably got Mandrake 10.0 "Community"

[Halfbaked Plan]

Nope, these are not 'Community' CDs. This was shortly after I'd visited the Mandrake site and noticed how much they were charging to get the no-Community CD set.

I've bought other quasi-legal CDs on eBay, like a CD set of HP-UX, one of AIX, one of IRIX. It's a good place to track down software you'd otherwise have to spend a heap of money for.

For Windows 98 SE

[trigggl]

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>uname --help
Usage: C:\USR\LOCAL\WBIN\UNAME.EXE [OPTION]...

-a, --all print all information
-m, --machine print the machine (hardware) type
-n, --nodename print the machine's network node hostname
-r, --release print the operating system release
-s, --sysname print the operating system name
-v print the operating system version
--help display this help and exit
--version output version information and exit

Without any OPTION, assume -s.

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>uname -s
Windows

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>uname -v
4

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>uname -r
10

Windows was at 10 already in the 98 SE days, which I'm still using at work. I don't hear anyone complaining about that, though. Well, perhaps this would be better interpreted as 4.10 in *nix terms. But, my point is, Windows is up there also.

Nope

[jm.one]

This isn`t a dupe at all. Don`t listen to the answers already given, there was a "Community" release in April, thats what the stora you linked to is about. Now its`s "Offical and there are boxes with CDs/DVDs now ,too (since a week actually.) Read this for full information about the difference between "Offical" and "Community"

my favorite distro is....

[in4mation]

surprise surprise, i don't have a favorite distro and i can't seem to pick one to standardize on. At home i recently did an ftp install of Mandrake 10 for my desktop and Gentoo on my f-wall router. At work I have gentoo on my desktop, old RedHat & Mandrake 9.1 on the servers, debian on another desktop. Plus one Knoppix to show off to freinds. The truth is that everytime i hate something about a distro i try a new one. And the result is that i end up hating something else about that distro too. Example, Mandrake drove me crazy with the 3cd download every time there was a new version. So i gave debian and gentoo a shot. Debian seemed fine until i somehow started having package dependency problems and it started feeling like RedHat and Mdk (probably my fault). Then Gentoo came in. Other than the long compile times and the changed /etc config files!!!! i love it ;-) RedHat doesn't appeal to me anymore cause of the Fedora thingy, i felt back stabbed by that. Knoppix is cool and can be extremely handy....thats it. I even tried Knoppix's HD install...reminded me of Debian, probably cause it is ;-) If Mdk has one thing going for them, its that they have a pretty polished free distro thats easier on the newbie but doesn't limit the experienced user. So for now i'm mostly playin around with Gentoo.

Everybody says this is Free!

[qwerty75]

"Remember, if you use Mandrakelinux, join the club or buy a box to support them." And "Before downloading our products, we ask for your support by joining the Mandrakelinux Users Club. The Club was created to fund the development of the Mandrakelinux distribution and to pay the salaries of employees who are dedicated to "external" Free Software projects such as the Linux" I always hear so much talk about Linux being FREE. FREE to download FREE to use, FREE FREE FREE. Well, if you have to pay for the boxed edition or join the club and pay to download then it is not exactly FREE now is it. Then Mandrake says that the club Fees pay the cost of developers and employees dedicated to providing FREE Software. WTF I just thought you said it was FREE and now I have to pay to support the developers. I thought they were doing this for FREE and were independantly wealty and did not need an income source. Or I thought they were doing this in their spare time because they loved doing it so much. So really, what is the difference now between Microsoft and Linux. Sure, Microsoft Products cost more but at least their Users and developers don't lie to you about the cost of the product. Can you imagine your outrage if Microsoft suddenly said, Use our product, it is FREE. Oh, sorry, but you have to join our CLUB and give us your personal information and PAY club dues in order to use it. What a bunch of BS. Admittedly I am a MS user, admin, developer. But I always download and evaluate the latest Linux product. I spent a few hours or days playing with it trying to learn so new things and see if it is ready to replace any of my Microsoft products. Thus far it has not. What I find hilarious is how all Linux users were so proud of their FREE software and how they bash anybody that has to PAY for software. Now that the companies that produce it (Red Hat, Mandrake, etc) realize that there is no supportable business model when they offer FREE software and that they will ultimately fail unless they charge something, their users complain about HOW MUCH IT COSTS! Guess what fellas, NOTHING IS FREE!!!! It costs somebody something to make it. Be it time or money, somebody has to pay for it. At least Microsoft does not Lie to you about that.

Re:Everybody says this is Free!

[haeger]

Wow! That was long and uninsightful.
You don't have to pay to download and use. Also, don't confuse freedom and no-cost. Linux is free as in freedom.

.haeger

1394 support

[Anonymous Coward]

It looks like Mandrake actually includes FireWire IEEE1394. What a concept! I was extremely disappointed that Fedora Core 2 is shipping with FireWire missing by default.

poor moderation

[SethJohnson]

How in the crap is this a troll post? I'm referencing a real issue that affected earlier mandrake releases and simply asking if it continues to exist. Obviously I'm a Mandrake supporter, I'm using the OS on two of my computers.

-1 geekish

[Anonymous Coward]

What's the point in writing a technical report for a joke?

You need to update your bin utils

[paperclip2003]

You need to update your bin utils. I had that problem as well... It can't load the kernel modules because 2.4 kernel used different modules than 2.6. 9.2 used a 2.4 kernel and Mandrake 10 uses 2.6. When you did your install you did not check the package that included the bin utils. System --> Configuration --> Packaging --> Browse Available Software and do a search in the package manager.

Or type rpmdrake from your favorite terminal ;)

-Ron

Re:You need to update your bin utils

[yamla]

Thanks, I'll try that out. I don't know why Mandrake 10 would install (_not_ update) without installing a required tool like binutils, but I'll certainly check that out. I'd very much like to be running Mandrake 10.

I may try scrubbing my hard drive and reinstalling on a clean system. I have a suspicion that Mandrake 10 ignored my request for a clean installation/reformat.

I'll post my results here when I have some.

Re:You need to update your bin utils

[yamla]

Thanks, Ron. I reformatted my machine last night and Mandrake 10 worked this time. I checked, binutils was definitely _not_ the problem, it was installed by default and was plenty up-to-date enough. This time through, I made sure my root wasn't on a RAID partition (I had /boot in a non-raid) and also, I erased EVERYTHING off my hard drives. And it just worked.

I obviously could not have used rpmdrake in a terminal during my prior attempts as the complete lack of any modules meant I had no net access and no CD-ROM access.

Re:You need to update your bin utils

[paperclip2003]

No problem... I had to put mine on a cd. For some reason it was keeping the old version of bin utils. I got the rpm from the internet. Wierd.

Mandrake and SuSE - SuSE SUX for Me

[Anonymous Coward]

I can not get through the drive access/permissions problems with SuSE.

I can not access the drives.

Their desktop is a pile of rocks. I do not have another 40 hours to spend on their pile of rocks.

Mandrake has the courtesy of making a set of wheels that rollllll.

Can I get a big DUH?

mtamas-at-linuxmail.org

One more major problem

[JonTurner]

FC won't run under Virtual PC, at least as recently as FC RC3.

For those of us who run several OSs simultaneously on once machine (e.g. client-server development on a laptop), this is another showstopper in addition to all the items mentioned in the parent.

Kernel

[MicroBerto]

Been using Mandrake since 6.1... all the way from the beginning! I've seen some other distros, but none match the friendliness of the distro AND of the community.

With 10.0, my only recommendation is to get Cooker's 2.6.6 kernel, install it (and the kernel-source package if you wish), and fix up your /boot/ files and /etc/lilo.conf file (and run 'lilo') so that you can have both kernels.

2.6.3 seems a bit raw for me, and 2.6.6 helped with a couple of drivers.

I'm probably going to go to new gnome/evolution/etc before 10.1 comes out too. Too tempting not to try!

no version 1 products

[goon]

the reason I'm not using redhat is stability. M10 is nice and stable as a desktop. I'm not going to waste my time using a V1.0 (fedora) product.

I've got to agree M10 has done a good job on the desktop. it just works. plus theres a decent supply of documentation