Either way, the argument seemed to be that Windows was inferior to FC because the FC installation included all sorts of other stuff during exactly the same process.
I thought we were arguing which offering, MS's or Fedora's, was easier to take a computer from blank to fully ready for use.:-)
Yes, Fedora's a distribution which means OS+Apps, while Windows is mostly OS with very few (arguably zero) Apps. But I doubt many people use a Windows system without additional software.
I do see value in having a distribution managed by a single source; especially when it comes time to update all those apps. With Windows on my main PC, I am the person who needs to keep track of the latest releases and bugfixes in every random app on my computer. With Fedora, it's managed for me, though I can still exclude updates I don't want.
The argument was that while you can download Open Office and Firefox for Windows, it's easier to have it available to you when you first install the OS+Apps onto your new computer, and it's even easier when you need to update them.
>No, it's the latest Fedora distro and the latest OS from Microsoft. Please understand the difference.
I do understand. That's why I tried to include other MS products.
But here's a revision: "It's perfectly reasonable to compare the two, since they are the latest consumer desktop solutions offerings from Fedora and Microsoft." In any case, they're competing products for the title of "What's the first thing you install on a newly built computer to start using it."
If you're talking about how easy it is to execute and get through the Win XP setup program vs. how easy it is to execute and get through the Fedora setup program, then, even disregarding the fact that a clean and updated Win XP install is much less complete than a clean and updated Fedora install, Fedora's still easier in that it has a fully graphical UI for the install program, unlike windows which uses command line stuff for partition and EULA.
Specifically, Jackson determined that Microsoft violated the Sherman Antitrust Act by unlawfully "tying" its Web browser to its operating system, and by a series of other anti-competitive acts that included foregoing millions of dollars in revenue through its practice of giving away the browser for free, and applying extreme pressure on Internet service providers and hardware retailers. Jackson also declared that Microsoft's creation of a version of the Java programming language incompatible with Sun Microsystems' Java fit into the same pattern of abusive practices.
>bitching about Microsoft shipping Windows with even basic utility software
Bundling Firefox with a distro is not the same as integrating IE into Windows. You can un-check the Firefox box when installing Fedora. You can't uninstall Internet Explorer from Windows.
As its internal contemporaneous documents and licensing practices reveal, Microsoft decided to bind Internet Explorer to Windows in order to prevent Navigator from weakening the applications barrier to entry, rather than for any pro-competitive purpose.
One's an operating system, first released several years ago, while the other is a distribution, first released a few days ago?
That's hardly a fair comparison.
If I asked Microsoft TODAY to sell me their latest released Desktop OS, what would they sell me? Windows XP SP2, with their bundled apps MS Wordpad, Paint, Notepad, WMP. And if I wanted a MS Distribution comparable to a Linux distro in terms of bundled apps, they'd also offer me MS Office, Windows Movie Maker (free), and MS PLUS for themes, for an additional price.
If I asked the Fedora project TODAY for their latest OS release, I'd get FC4, complete with all their bundled apps.
Competition isn't always fair. MS hasn't released a new OS for a while, but they still want to compete, so Win XP is what they have to offer. It's perfectly reasonable to compare the two, since they're the two latest OS's from Fedora and Microsoft.
>So what am I supposed to do? I have student loans through Citibank, and my only choice to sever my ties with them is to pay off my loan in full, which I can't do at this time.
Any chance you could consolidate to another lender?
In America, the ratings for movies and games are done by industry groups, not the government, and stores follow them at their own discretion. There is no law that says a movie theater can't sell tickets to a minor for an R-rated movie, it's just a general industry practice.
Now if there were rampant problems of movie theaters letting in 8 year olds to R-rated movies, I'm sure the government would step in.
This is a private family issue, though, not a governmental issue. Parents should be monitoring their own kids' media intake, not the government.
Oh.. just that they're.. well.. NOT REAL. Seriously, take out the reference to the MMOG and listen to what she's saying. "With all the things you can buy in my imaginary environment, it's hard not to want them, just like real stuff." Shit lady, just close your eyes for half a second and imagine it. Just as real and a hell of a lot cheaper.
There's lots of imaginary value that people will pay for. People pay for imagined value in real designer clothing all the time.
An Old Navy t-shirt will keep you as protected from the elements and covered up as one from Banana Republic, but the BR one will cost you 4x more.
What's the difference? Looks? That the t-shirt says "Property of Banana Republic Athletic Co." instead of "Old Navy Super-T"?
So why is it absurd that she'd pay for her online appearance to sport designer clothing for other online players to admire? She gets the value of being admired for her fashion, just like in the real world, except it's for her online persona.
Actually I'd prefer they choose something flashy but without teeth... let em spend time on a UI, since it's so easy and will get done first, then run out of money and never actually establish any backend that works.
That'll give us time to get the Real ID act overthrown in court.
I think he meant you're poorly using your time by working a customer service job, when you could be working an application development job, at your company or somewhere else.
My company has special time off which is sort of general purpose emergency vacation which you can arrange with your boss to make up later. Pipes froze and burst overnight? Take the morning as off and make it up by working a little later next week. Helps people to not use up vacation, not lie about being sick, but still keep their lives moving.
If I were a manager, "I have to leave two hours early every Friday to take my kids to practice" would NOT be acceptable without making it up somehow, perhaps by arriving two hours early on friday mornings, or working 30 minutes extra Monday through Thursday.
If anyone dare complains, I point out the smokers and they usually shut up.
A non-smoking co-worker of mine used to go out and stand around with the smokers when they took a break. When his boss complained, he replied "if you'd prefer I start smoking, I will." His boss eased off.
The right to own slaves wasn't the core issue. The civil right of a person in the USA to choose not to be a slave was what was won in the civil war.
After the war ended, many former slaves still chose to stay - working the fields in exchange for food and shelter - but the difference was it was their choice, and those who chose not to do this were allowed to leave.
6. Some portion of the potential audience feels that musicians are over compensated, immoral, prima donnas that can't actually perform outside a recording studio without 100 retakes and then special post processing to improve their marginally capable voices.
Don't confuse "recording artists" with real musicians.
But you're right; too many recording artists are about looks and image rather than music and poetry.
Except that the high pricing on the FX line makes the whole point of overclocking - getting more power for your money - moot.
It's not the only difference. The FX series is released earlier than their non-FX equals - the FX-53 was available long before its locked clone the A64 4000+ was released.
It's only worth it if you want to buy the fastest processor on the market and make it faster. Value-minded overclockers have never bought top-end chips; like you said, it's not financially worth it. Only speed-minded overclockers would get an FX chip.
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Either way, the argument seemed to be that Windows was inferior to FC because the FC installation included all sorts of other stuff during exactly the same process.
:-)
I thought we were arguing which offering, MS's or Fedora's, was easier to take a computer from blank to fully ready for use.
Yes, Fedora's a distribution which means OS+Apps, while Windows is mostly OS with very few (arguably zero) Apps. But I doubt many people use a Windows system without additional software.
I do see value in having a distribution managed by a single source; especially when it comes time to update all those apps. With Windows on my main PC, I am the person who needs to keep track of the latest releases and bugfixes in every random app on my computer. With Fedora, it's managed for me, though I can still exclude updates I don't want.
The argument was that while you can download Open Office and Firefox for Windows, it's easier to have it available to you when you first install the OS+Apps onto your new computer, and it's even easier when you need to update them.
I do understand. That's why I tried to include other MS products.
But here's a revision: "It's perfectly reasonable to compare the two, since they are the latest consumer desktop solutions offerings from Fedora and Microsoft." In any case, they're competing products for the title of "What's the first thing you install on a newly built computer to start using it."
If you're talking about how easy it is to execute and get through the Win XP setup program vs. how easy it is to execute and get through the Fedora setup program, then, even disregarding the fact that a clean and updated Win XP install is much less complete than a clean and updated Fedora install, Fedora's still easier in that it has a fully graphical UI for the install program, unlike windows which uses command line stuff for partition and EULA.
As for the monopoly claim...
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/04/03/
>bitching about Microsoft shipping Windows with even basic utility software
Bundling Firefox with a distro is not the same as integrating IE into Windows. You can un-check the Firefox box when installing Fedora. You can't uninstall Internet Explorer from Windows.
For the real details on MS's OS/Browser monopoly actions, read http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm
WoW runs flawlessly under Point2Play http://www.transgaming.com/
Cedaga costs $5 per month, it seems. Is there a free option?
One's an operating system, first released several years ago, while the other is a distribution, first released a few days ago?
That's hardly a fair comparison.
If I asked Microsoft TODAY to sell me their latest released Desktop OS, what would they sell me? Windows XP SP2, with their bundled apps MS Wordpad, Paint, Notepad, WMP. And if I wanted a MS Distribution comparable to a Linux distro in terms of bundled apps, they'd also offer me MS Office, Windows Movie Maker (free), and MS PLUS for themes, for an additional price.
If I asked the Fedora project TODAY for their latest OS release, I'd get FC4, complete with all their bundled apps.
Competition isn't always fair. MS hasn't released a new OS for a while, but they still want to compete, so Win XP is what they have to offer. It's perfectly reasonable to compare the two, since they're the two latest OS's from Fedora and Microsoft.
depends how far we've overclocked our GF.
:-)
And by GF I mean girlfriend, not GeForce
Or those of us hendrix fans who play guitar with our mouth.
I play World of Warcraft and love it but the game would totally suck if they hadn't hired Russell Crowe to say "Zug-Zug!"
>So what am I supposed to do? I have student loans through Citibank, and my only choice to sever my ties with them is to pay off my loan in full, which I can't do at this time.
Any chance you could consolidate to another lender?
In America, the ratings for movies and games are done by industry groups, not the government, and stores follow them at their own discretion. There is no law that says a movie theater can't sell tickets to a minor for an R-rated movie, it's just a general industry practice.
Now if there were rampant problems of movie theaters letting in 8 year olds to R-rated movies, I'm sure the government would step in.
This is a private family issue, though, not a governmental issue. Parents should be monitoring their own kids' media intake, not the government.
There's lots of imaginary value that people will pay for. People pay for imagined value in real designer clothing all the time.
An Old Navy t-shirt will keep you as protected from the elements and covered up as one from Banana Republic, but the BR one will cost you 4x more.
What's the difference? Looks? That the t-shirt says "Property of Banana Republic Athletic Co." instead of "Old Navy Super-T"?
So why is it absurd that she'd pay for her online appearance to sport designer clothing for other online players to admire? She gets the value of being admired for her fashion, just like in the real world, except it's for her online persona.
Or UKP300 per person, at the current population of 60 million.
And that's assuming it'll be paid off instantly, rather than be added to the national debt to gain interest for years.
Actually I'd prefer they choose something flashy but without teeth... let em spend time on a UI, since it's so easy and will get done first, then run out of money and never actually establish any backend that works.
That'll give us time to get the Real ID act overthrown in court.
That's different.
She sued yahoo for not taking them down when she asked them to.
And you certainly could sue the bar where he was visibly drunk for letting him drive home.
Blizzard's World of Warcraft game uses a bittorrent-like p2p download system for all its large patches.
I think he meant you're poorly using your time by working a customer service job, when you could be working an application development job, at your company or somewhere else.
My company has special time off which is sort of general purpose emergency vacation which you can arrange with your boss to make up later. Pipes froze and burst overnight? Take the morning as off and make it up by working a little later next week. Helps people to not use up vacation, not lie about being sick, but still keep their lives moving.
If I were a manager, "I have to leave two hours early every Friday to take my kids to practice" would NOT be acceptable without making it up somehow, perhaps by arriving two hours early on friday mornings, or working 30 minutes extra Monday through Thursday.
If anyone dare complains, I point out the smokers and they usually shut up.
A non-smoking co-worker of mine used to go out and stand around with the smokers when they took a break. When his boss complained, he replied "if you'd prefer I start smoking, I will." His boss eased off.
It'd be easier if they just don't save him from getting hit by that flying tank in the forest...
>Which States Rights were you referring to?
Presumably, the right to own slaves?
The right to own slaves wasn't the core issue. The civil right of a person in the USA to choose not to be a slave was what was won in the civil war.
After the war ended, many former slaves still chose to stay - working the fields in exchange for food and shelter - but the difference was it was their choice, and those who chose not to do this were allowed to leave.
>As for me, I used the 3.7 minutes I've saved so far to spend some quality time with my friends.
;)
Rosie Palm and her 5 sisters?
Probably, but then what about the other 3.2 minutes?
and a laser range finder to avoid obsticals.
Can it also be used to scan for typos?
Why single out PG-13... _all_ MPAA ratings are jsut advisory notations with no legal basis.
True, but like many industries, the theater industry tries to be self regulating in hopes that the government won't step in.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
6. Some portion of the potential audience feels that musicians are over compensated, immoral, prima donnas that can't actually perform outside a recording studio without 100 retakes and then special post processing to improve their marginally capable voices.
Don't confuse "recording artists" with real musicians.
But you're right; too many recording artists are about looks and image rather than music and poetry.
Except that the high pricing on the FX line makes the whole point of overclocking - getting more power for your money - moot.
It's not the only difference. The FX series is released earlier than their non-FX equals - the FX-53 was available long before its locked clone the A64 4000+ was released.
It's only worth it if you want to buy the fastest processor on the market and make it faster. Value-minded overclockers have never bought top-end chips; like you said, it's not financially worth it. Only speed-minded overclockers would get an FX chip.