You seem to be forgetting that you're able to read Slashdot (or any Internet site) because the Internet allows you to connect from your desktop machine/laptop/etc. to Slashdot's server(s). It's an *OPEN STANDARD* called TCP/IP that allows you to do that and it doesn't matter what operating systems are running on either of those two computers (or indeed any other network devices on the network between you and Slashdot).
Sure, the new Microsoft standard may well be completely open but their past history suggests it probably won't be. Thus, applying your logic to networking standards, if those too were closed then that would restrict you from accessing a lot of good stuff on any intranet or the Internet because not every operating would support those networking protocols - it might even result in you paying more for every byte you download because someone somewhere has to pay a license to use a closed standard.
Added to this, please be aware that the majority of large internet web & mail servers run a UNIX-type operating system - they always have done and they probably always will do.
So whilst I would not argue that most desktops run Windows, this is not the case for the whole Internet.
And as to getting work done, the only time I run a Windows operating system these days is for gaming - every serious piece of work I do is on Linux in a company that uses a Windows-based infrastructure. Yes, it's taken me time to sometimes get stuff to work properly but it does - and I end up being more productive as a result because I can, for example, edit text files far quicker in Vi than I can in Notepad.
If Windows is your OS of choice then good luck to you & I hope you enjoy your computing as much as I do mine - but please don't make incorrect sweeping statements...
£120 is probably a lot for the people who have a television and don't use any BBC services.
I agree with your statement in principle but I do not see any other way of running the system. How do you ensure that someone who has no interest in BBC services and therefore does not have to pay a license does not use any of the BBC's TV, radio & web services?
Personally, I never use a library but I am willing taxes towards libraries because of the benefits they bring to the general populace - education, entertainment, communications (Internet connectivity). The BBC provides the same services and I consider the License Fee as a tax to fund that.
Also consider, people sharing a residence (read:students) have to pay the tv licence per head.
Actually, you're incorrect on this point. In a single shared household, where there is a TV in a communal area, they need buy one license only - if a single building is treated as multiple "residences", say, 3 flats in a 3 storey house or in halls of residences then yes, a license is needed for each one of those.
Student loans for tuition fees generally amount to £20k-£40k, depending on your course and whether you have to live in expensive areas.
This is a completely different topic but as a middle-aged British tax payer on a good income, I hope that the proportion of the taxes I pay to fund higher education go to "encouraging" current school-leavers to take degrees in subjects (like the sciences, medical degrees, teaching, etc) where there are skill shortages currently - in other words, let students taking degrees in these subjects get tuition fee discounts.
But I do *not* want my taxes funding "media studies" degrees (= three year skive from having to work for a living) and I fully agree students should pay at least some of the cost of their further education on the basis that their salaries later on will be higher. However, you go out of the country having taken that degree then you get a bill for your full tuition cost as you go through customs on your way out.
they just want tax cuts on medium incomes
I'm cohabiting with my spouse, we don't have kids and she and I earn above average incomes - if anyone gets taxed "over the odds" then it's us, believe me! Sure, I don't mind making a tax contribution for the benefit of everyone else to send their kids to school, have free healthcare, etc. but I expect to see that money spent wisely.
As for the BBC, I am increasingly sickened by marketing lies & being constantly bombarded with advertising in just about every other element of my life - therefore, £120 a year is a miniscule sum for me to pay to get away from that...
I'm *very proud* of the BBC as an world-recognised British institution (no, I don't work for them) and therefore the license fee is excellent value to me.
The paltry sum of £120 per year is well worth it - what about the radio stations, the web site (absolutely fantastic for someone like me learning another language)and the downloadable old radio shows also!
And to top the lot, there's Dr Who with the Cybermen THIS COMING SATURDAY!!!:-)
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't bookshops sell a damn site more "black print on white page" books than they do 3D pop-up books? And isn't the reason for that because most people quite like the format of the boring, standard book?
Or can I expect a "plastic web" sometime in the future such that if I accidentally drop it in the bath, it doesn't get ruined?
However, might I suggest a small modification? Let's have Elmer Fudd dressed like Freddie Mercury on a stage somewhere singing "slam-slam,clap. slam-slam, clap. Wii Will Wii Will WOCK YOU! slam-slam,clap. slam-slam, clap.".
I have NEVER downloaded a pirate copy of any movie and have used BitTorrent for about a day before I realised what a slow, overrated piece of crap it actually is. Wrong on one count.
I am not a member of any movie rental company, haven't been for the past 10 years or so and have no intentions of being a member. That's simply because I refuse to pay good money for cable and satellite TV just to have Sky throw adverts at me every 10 minutes or so. Consequently, the money I don't spend on rentals or TV allows me to buy a lot more DVDs - I buy them as cheaply as possible, keep the good ones in my collection and sell on the ones I don't want to keep on eBay. That's my system but if people like movie rentals then that's fine by me. So wrong on two counts.
If you'd have read my post correctly in the first place, you'd have seen I was actually asking the question "Why should I hand over my bandwidth on my broadband connection simply to fill Warner Brothers coffers?"
As far as I'm concerned, the RIAA and the MPAA are the devil, the price-fixing movie and record companies are the devil's assistants and software/music/film pirates are the scum of the earth for giving the rest of them the excuse to limit my personal freedoms in using the products I legally buy in any way I see fit.
I just happen to be a discerning customer, that's all - I check before I buy anything and if I consider an item to be overpriced, I don't buy it, it's that simple. However, at the same time I have a legal collection of over 500 DVDs and 800 CDs - and that's no lie.
So if people want to download movies then great, go for it! But please remember the billions of profit the movie industry combined makes in a year and ask yourself whether you want to pay for a downloaded movie *AND* pay for your broadband connection only to have it become part of Warner Brother's movie distribution network.
...because VoIP marks the "beginning of the end" for the mobile phone providers.
Think about it. The only limitation of VoIP at the moment is mobility - you need to have much more widespread wireless access & when you hit one of those wireless access points, you need to be able to contact a SIP registration gateway to confirm your presence.
However, in both cases, it is traditional ISPs that are in the best position to provide that infrastructure, the cellular phone companies won't even get a look in.
Personally, I long for the slow painful death of all the rip-off mobile phone companies - they've been able to price fix and overcharge us for mobile phone calls for far too long and now they realise their days are numbered.
Give it 5 to 10 years and T-Mobile, O2, Vodaphone, etc. will all be dead - and good riddance to them.
But if my experience with Gentoo and Portage is any guide, then you've probably also been bitten by Portage -- Masked ebuilds, ~arch, whatever: the build you want is masked, and unmasking and building creates an amazing cascade of broken packages, right?
I'm always reminded of the Borg whenever I see someone with one of those things in their ear.
A couple of my "rotund" workmates have them also and whenever they walk past my desk wearing them, I invariably shout out "Your dinner will be assimilated!"
I'm looking forward to Dr Who this coming Saturday also - from the BBC trailer I've seen, there's lots of people walking around with Bluetooth-type earpieces in their ears and since it's also a Cyberman story (hoorah!), I'm sure there'll be more material for a few Dr Who quips next week!
As far as I'm concerned, wearing a Bluetooth headset is like a mornonic dwarf - "it's not big and it's not clever!"
Warner Brothers want *me* to pay *them* to download a DRM-enabled movie via BitTorrent.
And presumably whilst I'm downloading that movie via BitTorrent, I am also using some of the bandwidth I *pay* to rent from my ISP to *upload* part of the same movie to *other* users who are downloading the movie but have *paid* Warner Brothers for the privelige.
Okay, so maybe I'm missing something and there's a possible explanation for this:
1. The author of the article has omitted to mention that Warner Brothers will pay me with cash or stock options as the result of my contributing my resources to their film distribution network.
2. Warner Brothers are on mind-expanding drugs.
3. I am on mind-expanding drugs.
4. According to some ancient Incan calendar system, yesterday was March 31st making today April Fool's Day.
My response to you would be to simply not use Vi/Vim if you have no real need to do so.
One of the nice things about Vi/Vim is that it's a "constant" in an ever changing UNIX universe - it's on just about every UNIX system there is so no matter whether you have to work on Linux, Solaris, AIX, etc., Vi/Vim works just about the same way on all of them.
Because I have worked on different UNIX flavours throughout my career history, learning Vi has been a necessity to the point where I personally can edit files in it faster than I can in any other text editor. Consequently, it's my preferred editor even on Windows XP.
However, if you only work on Linux machines and you're more used to "traditional" text editors, then nano, pico or a host of other editors might suit you better.
Nobody should use a piece of software because it's "cool" or "fashionable" - but just because it's a tool that helps you get a job done quicker. There are people who make Emacs/Vi comparisons constantly (especially on Slashdot) but in 20 years working on UNIX I've never had the need to use Emacs ever - yes, I'm certain Emacs is a fantastic tool and maybe some day I'll find the time to learn more about it but not for the moment.
And from the opposite perspective, I've no wish to see Vim "dumbed down" because some people find the operation of Vim to be difficult. If they want to install add-ons that give them menus and mouse functionality then good luck to them (as long as they remember that they won't usually have those add-ons on standard UNIX systems so there is a *great danger* of being too dependent on them) but I certainly don't want major functional changes made to Vim to the point where it loses it's Vi compatibility.
The point is that we'd like the Chinese to have that opportunity. They don't.
I personally don't believe that it's any of our business in this instance.
Sure, if a government is killing it's citizens or repressing them, then there is a strong case for us to intervene. But censorship is a matter for the indigenous people to fight with their own government if they want those censorship laws changed.
The United Arab Emirates (Abu Dhabi, Dubai, etc.) has censored (proxied) Internet connectivity but we rightfully do not intervene in this instance because there are religious & cultural reasons behind that censorship.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of Chinese citizens living in China actually *care* about Internet censorship.
When I was at secondary school (age 11 to 18) in the UK some 20+ years ago, this topic is one that would never have needed to be discussed.
No matter what career path & subjects you were taking at GCE "O" Level (age 16), you *always* took English & Maths at least - this meant that no matter where you ended up in life later on, you had a good understanding of English grammar and could perform most simple arithmetic in your head. This wasn't just something that happened at my school, all of my friends of a similar age have the same ability.
At the grand old age of 44, I'm now a pretty good all-round tech support engineer in telecoms and computers. I've got 20 years experience behind me, I write white papers without ever resorting to a spell checker & I author training presentations which I frequently present myself to other work colleagues - again, a number of similarly-aged work colleagues have equal abilities. I don't have a degree, I was educated to 'A' level standard (age 18) but would have gone to university had there not been some family issues at that time.
The point that I'm trying to make here is that if engineers need to be taught how to write properly at the point they *are* engineers, then it's the education that they've had up to that point that has failed them. Certainly, in the UK, the education system has changed very dramatically over the past 20 years and standards have been lowered considerably - simply because everything is about statistics and politics.
Nowadays, you can walk round any UK town centre and find degree students with weekend jobs in just about any shop - yet those same people frequently suffer from poor communication skills, an inability to perform simple arithmetic in their heads & poor spelling/handwriting skills. No, I'm not saying *all* students are this way but it certainly seems to be the majority.
For years, the Apple users (at least those that appear on Slashdot) have looked down their noses at Windows XP - however, the moment Boot Camp gets released, their tone changes and the ability to run XP on their Apple machines becomes a great thing to be able to do.
I'm no advocate of piracy, believe me, but how about someone making an estimate of the amount of money the general populace has lost due to the huge over-hype, over-advertising & over-marketing the film studios & record companies have forced down our throats in getting us to part with our hard-earned money for sub-standard products?
How about we survey the number of people each week who come out of a cinema feeling totally ripped off because they were led to believe the movie was better than what it actually was? Let's work out what it would cost to refund their cinema-ticket money to them...
How about we calculate the amount of additional profits the film studios & record companies make as a result of the rampant price-fixing of CDs and DVDs across the whole industry?
How about the record companies dropping the prices of music CDs by not spending money on pointless pop videos that are only of interest to a minority of the (MTV generation) music audience?
Like I said, I don't pirate stuff - but when these megacorps like Sony, Paramount, Disney, etc. start giving *me* a good deal, then I'll have some sympathy for them.
Until then, here's a very loud Nelson-like "HA HA".
Make the spammer have one of his own penis enlargements he's always telling us are so great & just as he's nice, red & sore after the operation, start feeding him the viagra he's alway telling us is so great.:-)
To me the definition of "classic" is old and tired.
That's just semantics. You real point is???
God, I was over my 'the who' and 'rolling stones' phase when I was 16, why would I want to listen to that again?
Funnily enough, I'm 44 and just discovering some "old and tired" Who and Rolling Stones albums - just bought "Who's Next" and "Exile On Main Street" a couple of weeks ago and I'm very pleased that I did, quite frankly.
At 16 I was listening to a lot of punk and hard rock - a lot of that has "fallen by the wayside" now so we're no different - except that I'm far too mature to respond to any "my dad's bigger than your dad" goading attempts.
Well, technically, CDs are "sampled" rather than "compressed" - and having worked in the telecoms industry for 20+ years, I can give you all the info you want on "Pulse Code Modulation" and multiplexing if you want.:-)
But please let's no go into the "vinyl vs CD" argument - if you've got the patience & diligence to treat vinyl with the great care you need to treat it with then good luck to you - me, I'm middle-aged and (according to scientists anyway) having less audio perception by the day as "cones" in my ears disappear so I probably couldn't tell the difference in quality between vinyl & CD.
Slashdot Mirror
You seem to be forgetting that you're able to read Slashdot (or any Internet site) because the Internet allows you to connect from your desktop machine/laptop/etc. to Slashdot's server(s). It's an *OPEN STANDARD* called TCP/IP that allows you to do that and it doesn't matter what operating systems are running on either of those two computers (or indeed any other network devices on the network between you and Slashdot).
Sure, the new Microsoft standard may well be completely open but their past history suggests it probably won't be. Thus, applying your logic to networking standards, if those too were closed then that would restrict you from accessing a lot of good stuff on any intranet or the Internet because not every operating would support those networking protocols - it might even result in you paying more for every byte you download because someone somewhere has to pay a license to use a closed standard.
Added to this, please be aware that the majority of large internet web & mail servers run a UNIX-type operating system - they always have done and they probably always will do.
So whilst I would not argue that most desktops run Windows, this is not the case for the whole Internet.
And as to getting work done, the only time I run a Windows operating system these days is for gaming - every serious piece of work I do is on Linux in a company that uses a Windows-based infrastructure. Yes, it's taken me time to sometimes get stuff to work properly but it does - and I end up being more productive as a result because I can, for example, edit text files far quicker in Vi than I can in Notepad.
If Windows is your OS of choice then good luck to you & I hope you enjoy your computing as much as I do mine - but please don't make incorrect sweeping statements...
I agree with your statement in principle but I do not see any other way of running the system. How do you ensure that someone who has no interest in BBC services and therefore does not have to pay a license does not use any of the BBC's TV, radio & web services?
Personally, I never use a library but I am willing taxes towards libraries because of the benefits they bring to the general populace - education, entertainment, communications (Internet connectivity). The BBC provides the same services and I consider the License Fee as a tax to fund that.
Also consider, people sharing a residence (read:students) have to pay the tv licence per head.
Actually, you're incorrect on this point. In a single shared household, where there is a TV in a communal area, they need buy one license only - if a single building is treated as multiple "residences", say, 3 flats in a 3 storey house or in halls of residences then yes, a license is needed for each one of those.
Student loans for tuition fees generally amount to £20k-£40k, depending on your course and whether you have to live in expensive areas.
This is a completely different topic but as a middle-aged British tax payer on a good income, I hope that the proportion of the taxes I pay to fund higher education go to "encouraging" current school-leavers to take degrees in subjects (like the sciences, medical degrees, teaching, etc) where there are skill shortages currently - in other words, let students taking degrees in these subjects get tuition fee discounts.
But I do *not* want my taxes funding "media studies" degrees (= three year skive from having to work for a living) and I fully agree students should pay at least some of the cost of their further education on the basis that their salaries later on will be higher. However, you go out of the country having taken that degree then you get a bill for your full tuition cost as you go through customs on your way out.
they just want tax cuts on medium incomes
I'm cohabiting with my spouse, we don't have kids and she and I earn above average incomes - if anyone gets taxed "over the odds" then it's us, believe me! Sure, I don't mind making a tax contribution for the benefit of everyone else to send their kids to school, have free healthcare, etc. but I expect to see that money spent wisely.
As for the BBC, I am increasingly sickened by marketing lies & being constantly bombarded with advertising in just about every other element of my life - therefore, £120 a year is a miniscule sum for me to pay to get away from that...
I'm *very proud* of the BBC as an world-recognised British institution (no, I don't work for them) and therefore the license fee is excellent value to me.
And to top the lot, there's Dr Who with the Cybermen THIS COMING SATURDAY!!! :-)
"Poserdot" - News For People Stupid Enough To Pay Three Times The Price For A PC In A Colourful Case.
And with females like you around, I think I'd rather have my rib back!
Or can I expect a "plastic web" sometime in the future such that if I accidentally drop it in the bath, it doesn't get ruined?
However, might I suggest a small modification? Let's have Elmer Fudd dressed like Freddie Mercury on a stage somewhere singing "slam-slam,clap. slam-slam, clap. Wii Will Wii Will WOCK YOU! slam-slam,clap. slam-slam, clap.".
So how many times a day do you reboot your Honda then?
Target market = bunch of suckers.
And you're right - I'm no sucker.
I am not a member of any movie rental company, haven't been for the past 10 years or so and have no intentions of being a member. That's simply because I refuse to pay good money for cable and satellite TV just to have Sky throw adverts at me every 10 minutes or so. Consequently, the money I don't spend on rentals or TV allows me to buy a lot more DVDs - I buy them as cheaply as possible, keep the good ones in my collection and sell on the ones I don't want to keep on eBay. That's my system but if people like movie rentals then that's fine by me. So wrong on two counts.
If you'd have read my post correctly in the first place, you'd have seen I was actually asking the question "Why should I hand over my bandwidth on my broadband connection simply to fill Warner Brothers coffers?"
As far as I'm concerned, the RIAA and the MPAA are the devil, the price-fixing movie and record companies are the devil's assistants and software/music/film pirates are the scum of the earth for giving the rest of them the excuse to limit my personal freedoms in using the products I legally buy in any way I see fit.
I just happen to be a discerning customer, that's all - I check before I buy anything and if I consider an item to be overpriced, I don't buy it, it's that simple. However, at the same time I have a legal collection of over 500 DVDs and 800 CDs - and that's no lie.
So if people want to download movies then great, go for it! But please remember the billions of profit the movie industry combined makes in a year and ask yourself whether you want to pay for a downloaded movie *AND* pay for your broadband connection only to have it become part of Warner Brother's movie distribution network.
Think about it. The only limitation of VoIP at the moment is mobility - you need to have much more widespread wireless access & when you hit one of those wireless access points, you need to be able to contact a SIP registration gateway to confirm your presence.
However, in both cases, it is traditional ISPs that are in the best position to provide that infrastructure, the cellular phone companies won't even get a look in.
Personally, I long for the slow painful death of all the rip-off mobile phone companies - they've been able to price fix and overcharge us for mobile phone calls for far too long and now they realise their days are numbered.
Give it 5 to 10 years and T-Mobile, O2, Vodaphone, etc. will all be dead - and good riddance to them.
No, I wasn't being rude to you either.
The Jackass Project http://jackass.homelinux.org/ on Gentoo fixes a lot of the ebuild and portage problems.
A couple of my "rotund" workmates have them also and whenever they walk past my desk wearing them, I invariably shout out "Your dinner will be assimilated!"
I'm looking forward to Dr Who this coming Saturday also - from the BBC trailer I've seen, there's lots of people walking around with Bluetooth-type earpieces in their ears and since it's also a Cyberman story (hoorah!), I'm sure there'll be more material for a few Dr Who quips next week!
As far as I'm concerned, wearing a Bluetooth headset is like a mornonic dwarf - "it's not big and it's not clever!"
And presumably whilst I'm downloading that movie via BitTorrent, I am also using some of the bandwidth I *pay* to rent from my ISP to *upload* part of the same movie to *other* users who are downloading the movie but have *paid* Warner Brothers for the privelige.
Okay, so maybe I'm missing something and there's a possible explanation for this:
1. The author of the article has omitted to mention that Warner Brothers will pay me with cash or stock options as the result of my contributing my resources to their film distribution network.
2. Warner Brothers are on mind-expanding drugs.
3. I am on mind-expanding drugs.
4. According to some ancient Incan calendar system, yesterday was March 31st making today April Fool's Day.
One of the nice things about Vi/Vim is that it's a "constant" in an ever changing UNIX universe - it's on just about every UNIX system there is so no matter whether you have to work on Linux, Solaris, AIX, etc., Vi/Vim works just about the same way on all of them.
Because I have worked on different UNIX flavours throughout my career history, learning Vi has been a necessity to the point where I personally can edit files in it faster than I can in any other text editor. Consequently, it's my preferred editor even on Windows XP.
However, if you only work on Linux machines and you're more used to "traditional" text editors, then nano, pico or a host of other editors might suit you better.
Nobody should use a piece of software because it's "cool" or "fashionable" - but just because it's a tool that helps you get a job done quicker. There are people who make Emacs/Vi comparisons constantly (especially on Slashdot) but in 20 years working on UNIX I've never had the need to use Emacs ever - yes, I'm certain Emacs is a fantastic tool and maybe some day I'll find the time to learn more about it but not for the moment.
And from the opposite perspective, I've no wish to see Vim "dumbed down" because some people find the operation of Vim to be difficult. If they want to install add-ons that give them menus and mouse functionality then good luck to them (as long as they remember that they won't usually have those add-ons on standard UNIX systems so there is a *great danger* of being too dependent on them) but I certainly don't want major functional changes made to Vim to the point where it loses it's Vi compatibility.
That would detract from the whole point of Vi.
I personally don't believe that it's any of our business in this instance.
Sure, if a government is killing it's citizens or repressing them, then there is a strong case for us to intervene. But censorship is a matter for the indigenous people to fight with their own government if they want those censorship laws changed.
The United Arab Emirates (Abu Dhabi, Dubai, etc.) has censored (proxied) Internet connectivity but we rightfully do not intervene in this instance because there are religious & cultural reasons behind that censorship.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of Chinese citizens living in China actually *care* about Internet censorship.
No matter what career path & subjects you were taking at GCE "O" Level (age 16), you *always* took English & Maths at least - this meant that no matter where you ended up in life later on, you had a good understanding of English grammar and could perform most simple arithmetic in your head. This wasn't just something that happened at my school, all of my friends of a similar age have the same ability.
At the grand old age of 44, I'm now a pretty good all-round tech support engineer in telecoms and computers. I've got 20 years experience behind me, I write white papers without ever resorting to a spell checker & I author training presentations which I frequently present myself to other work colleagues - again, a number of similarly-aged work colleagues have equal abilities. I don't have a degree, I was educated to 'A' level standard (age 18) but would have gone to university had there not been some family issues at that time.
The point that I'm trying to make here is that if engineers need to be taught how to write properly at the point they *are* engineers, then it's the education that they've had up to that point that has failed them. Certainly, in the UK, the education system has changed very dramatically over the past 20 years and standards have been lowered considerably - simply because everything is about statistics and politics.
Nowadays, you can walk round any UK town centre and find degree students with weekend jobs in just about any shop - yet those same people frequently suffer from poor communication skills, an inability to perform simple arithmetic in their heads & poor spelling/handwriting skills. No, I'm not saying *all* students are this way but it certainly seems to be the majority.
Nah... they generally just have more space on their coffee tables.
A computer is a *tool* and/or *entertainment device* - who gives a damn what colour it is?
Pure hypocrisy...
How about we survey the number of people each week who come out of a cinema feeling totally ripped off because they were led to believe the movie was better than what it actually was? Let's work out what it would cost to refund their cinema-ticket money to them...
How about we calculate the amount of additional profits the film studios & record companies make as a result of the rampant price-fixing of CDs and DVDs across the whole industry?
How about the record companies dropping the prices of music CDs by not spending money on pointless pop videos that are only of interest to a minority of the (MTV generation) music audience?
Like I said, I don't pirate stuff - but when these megacorps like Sony, Paramount, Disney, etc. start giving *me* a good deal, then I'll have some sympathy for them.
Until then, here's a very loud Nelson-like "HA HA".
Make the spammer have one of his own penis enlargements he's always telling us are so great & just as he's nice, red & sore after the operation, start feeding him the viagra he's alway telling us is so great. :-)
Ouch!
I actually think it's really sad that part of the human race has stooped so low as to now be buying drinks based on a video game.
They'll have to crowbar my tinfoil helmet from my cold dead head first!!!!
That's just semantics. You real point is???
God, I was over my 'the who' and 'rolling stones' phase when I was 16, why would I want to listen to that again?
Funnily enough, I'm 44 and just discovering some "old and tired" Who and Rolling Stones albums - just bought "Who's Next" and "Exile On Main Street" a couple of weeks ago and I'm very pleased that I did, quite frankly.
At 16 I was listening to a lot of punk and hard rock - a lot of that has "fallen by the wayside" now so we're no different - except that I'm far too mature to respond to any "my dad's bigger than your dad" goading attempts.
But please let's no go into the "vinyl vs CD" argument - if you've got the patience & diligence to treat vinyl with the great care you need to treat it with then good luck to you - me, I'm middle-aged and (according to scientists anyway) having less audio perception by the day as "cones" in my ears disappear so I probably couldn't tell the difference in quality between vinyl & CD.