Unfortunately I think that most people will buy computers without windows so that they can simply install another copy that they have, or one copied or borrowed from a friend. Luckily with Linux we dont have this problem.
The worlds population, baring catastrophe like a holocaust or famine is an exponential function. We just reached 6 billion, pluging data into the continuous function 12 = 6(e)rt (where rt is the exponent and r=present continuous growth rate) solving for T reveales we will reach 12 billion around 2050.
My girlfriend uses linux without even knowing it. She knows how to login via xdm and launch netscape. She does her email via Yahoo mail and surfs the web. Thats about it. The only other thing she uses is word processing, and star office works fine for her. If she could do that via a browser she would. That way when she goes to school she could still bring up her documents, just login and go. For people like her, suns vision works, for people like me, who need web servers, compilers, graphics utils and games... it doesn't.
UC Berkeley is a great place to go to school. Fun town, lots of really interesting and intelligent people. SF and Silicon valley are real close. Lots happening and phenomenal professors. Undergrad was a blast. If I could get into grad there I would be stoked...
My coworker has a WinCE device (NEC I think) and I must say, the one feature I love about it is INSTANT ON and OFF. Turn it on and boom, right where you left off, no waiting for bootup. That rocks!! Waiting for bootup sucks, especially on portable devices that you may take to class, meetings etc... I would like to see someone develop a plugin cartridge (nintendo style) that contains the OS, slap it in the side of your computer and boom instant Linux, NT, Solaris whatever... virus's couldn't fuck with you. Use a hard disk for user files... want to compile a new kernel? Flash the old rom.
How important do you think a component object model is for Linux, and do you think that Bonobo will be the answer for developers looking for an activeX type infrastructure for linux?
You missed my point by a mile...if companies dont create their Linux versions with the same quality as their NT versions, then people like me aren't going to be motivated to develop for it, Linux or not. The bottom line is I need a fast, stable reliable DBMS that is relatively easy to setup and administer. The kludgey, untested Oracle installation program doesn't help me convince other developers and sys-admins at my company to move from NT-SQL 7 to Linux-8i...
I received an early adopters CD of Oracle 8i on linux, and I have to say WTF Oracle? The installation uses a Java based installer, hard coded to run from/usr/local/jre... Hmmm nothin in the docs about chaning that. Ok, create a symbolic link... hmmm Can't run the install as root? Ok... then during the installation I have to drop to shell and run some root enabling script... cant two temp dirs because of privilages? Hmmmm...drop to shell, su to root, create the dirs by hand...back to the installer... then it tries to create a directory in/proc and fails... finally it gives me an error saying Java.Lang.Thread failed... Great testing guys, and Im runnin Redhat 6...The html docs are horrible, and mention none of this, plus the installer gives me no clues as to what and how to name my database and associated accounts. Then when all is installed and done, I'm left with a bunch of files in a OraHome1/bin dir that I have no idea what they do. How do I run it? How do I administer it? SQL 7 is feeling pretty comfy right now... -doog
Absolutely... That is why the OS and important libaries should be open source. If one company controls them then they have an unfair advantage. In Microsofts case, they've abused the advantage mercilessly. Proprietary undocumented file formats, api calls etc, etc... Companies like Borland should be JUMPING all over linux. They will be able to compete on strong technology rather than what microsoft chooses to "Allow" them to know. Open source created the playing field, now lets watch software companies play on it... or go to bat ourselves:)
I answered, "Open Source Makes no difference to me" on the questions about the importance of GPL. I hope they port their products and sell them and make money on the Linux platform. There are a lot of programmers out there like me that don't care about GPL or "Free" software, but use it because its a cool environment and it provides a level playing field that isn't inundated and overwhelmingly dominated by Microsoft.
It seems to me that if you like the company you work for, but don't get along with a single person, you don't quit but you work it out. You talk to higher management, make it known that you have some sort of conflict and you work it out... Arange to be on different projects, whatever. Did Raster try this approach? If he really liked working for RedHat you would think he would have. This doesn't jive with what he said before about having ideological differences with Redhat's wanting to make a "windows" clone. Whatever the reason, the West is the best... welcome Raster... lets get drunk sometime:)
There is a difference between a "SERVER" and the term "SERVER SIDE PROGRAMMING". The bulk of servers have been written in C/C++. Most web based server side programming is done in scripting languages, and now "Bytecode" languages like Java and even TCL. This is because the speed at which these apps can be developed is greatly increased vs. c/c++, VM/Scripting languages tend to be easier to debug, and also there are many programmers out there that simply don't know how to program in c/c++. The VM/Interpreted languages are easier to learn and many programmers simply never need to learn c/c++ because the VM/Interpreted languages do everything they need. That said, there are in fact some new application "servers" like Weblogic and Dynamo that perform quite well and are written in Java, so as performance increases (In the VMs, JITs and cheap ultra fast hardware) we may more servers written in Java and other interpreted/VM languages like TCL/tk...
>Now that they have appeared to anger Linus, he states that the kernel developers will start to focus on those areas where Linux falls short in benchmarks
Why not run the tests for a week or so straight? I guarantee the NT server will leak memory, bog down, start swapping and eventually crash if left chugging along for more than a week under a high load. The linux box will win that battle hands down... our $20k NT web servers need rebooting about once a week... lets see, our $1000 RedHat 5.1 box... 5 months and counting...
I posted a bunch of times on their newsgroups saying effectively "Dear God, Give me Jbuilder on Linux", when I was developing a java application under windows under contract, windows constantly leeked memory and needed rebooting. sometimes I would have to reboot 6-7 times a day. it sucked.
Where does one find information about programming GTK in C++ ? I sometimes find it hard to believe that there is still so much C developement going on..
give me a break. There is nothing wrong with proprietary software. Why can't all you hardcore freedom dorks figure this out? Free and proprietary can and should co-exist. Not all software companies can get by selling "support"... just ask Linus...
The important thing about linux is that it levels the playing field... companies like microsoft have an unfair advantage when they provide the proprietary OS. Linux takes that advantage away for both open source and proprietary software developers and creates a fair playing field for all parties. RMS claims that proprietary software takes away freedom, but if you take that away you remove my FREEDOM to sell proprietary software... and you also remove my FREEDOM to buy proprietary software. If a person wants to buy proprietary software then by all means they should... if they don't agree with the terms then they can use an OpenSource alternative or write their own. Simple as that.. I wish RMS would quit his whinning...
Redhat's needs to clue in and start doing this themselves. New users buy a redhat CD, expect to see some cool stuff and instead they get an old kernel compiled for 386, without sound support, and FVWM with a bunch of broken links in the menus!! I know about 5 people that tried linux and then gave up because they weren't very impressed and didn't realize that with some configuration tweaks Linux rocks, even on the desktop. BTW- Gnome1.0 kicks ass IMHO...
I was there yesterday and never found it... either I was bewildered by everything else, the slashdot booth was small and hidden, or Iam just retarded and walked right by it. fsck!
Who is going to be on this advisory board? linux.com is a very important domain name. If there are fairly choosen members then thats kewl. I don't think VA would put their own employees there.
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Unfortunately I think that most people will buy computers without windows so that they can simply install another copy that they have, or one copied or borrowed from a friend. Luckily with Linux we dont have this problem.
The worlds population, baring catastrophe like a holocaust or famine is an exponential function. We just reached 6 billion, pluging data into the continuous function 12 = 6(e)rt (where rt is the exponent and r=present continuous growth rate) solving for T reveales we will reach 12 billion around 2050.
-doog
My girlfriend uses linux without even knowing it. She knows how to login via xdm and launch netscape. She does her email via Yahoo mail and surfs the web. Thats about it. The only other thing she uses is word processing, and star office works fine for her. If she could do that via a browser she would. That way when she goes to school she could still bring up her documents, just login and go. For people like her, suns vision works, for people like me, who need web servers, compilers, graphics utils and games... it doesn't.
UC Berkeley is a great place to go to school. Fun town, lots of really interesting and intelligent people. SF and Silicon valley are real close. Lots happening and phenomenal professors. Undergrad was a blast. If I could get into grad there I would be stoked...
-doog
My coworker has a WinCE device (NEC I think) and I must say, the one feature I love about it is INSTANT ON and OFF. Turn it on and boom, right where you left off, no waiting for bootup. That rocks!! Waiting for bootup sucks, especially on portable devices that you may take to class, meetings etc... I would like to see someone develop a plugin cartridge (nintendo style) that contains the OS, slap it in the side of your computer and boom instant Linux, NT, Solaris whatever... virus's couldn't fuck with you. Use a hard disk for user files... want to compile a new kernel? Flash the old rom.
Hi Mandrake,
How important do you think a component object model is for Linux, and do you think that Bonobo will be the answer for developers looking for an activeX type infrastructure for linux?
You missed my point by a mile...if companies dont create their Linux versions with the same quality as their NT versions, then people like me aren't going to be motivated to develop for it, Linux or not. The bottom line is I need a fast, stable reliable DBMS that is relatively easy to setup and administer. The kludgey, untested Oracle installation program doesn't help me convince other developers and sys-admins at my company to move from NT-SQL 7 to Linux-8i...
-doog
I received an early adopters CD of Oracle 8i on linux, and I have to say WTF Oracle? The installation uses a Java based installer, hard coded to run from /usr/local/jre ... Hmmm nothin in the docs about chaning that. Ok, create a symbolic link... hmmm Can't run the install as root? Ok... then during the installation I have to drop to shell and run some root enabling script... cant two temp dirs because of privilages? Hmmmm...drop to shell, su to root, create the dirs by hand...back to the installer... then it tries to create a directory in /proc and fails... finally it gives me an error saying Java.Lang.Thread failed... Great testing guys, and Im runnin Redhat 6...The html docs are horrible, and mention none of this, plus the installer gives me no clues as to what and how to name my database and associated accounts. Then when all is installed and done, I'm left with a bunch of files in a OraHome1/bin dir that I have no idea what they do. How do I run it? How do I administer it? SQL 7 is feeling pretty comfy right now... -doog
Absolutely... That is why the OS and important libaries should be open source. If one company controls them then they have an unfair advantage. In Microsofts case, they've abused the advantage mercilessly. Proprietary undocumented file formats, api calls etc, etc... Companies like Borland should be JUMPING all over linux. They will be able to compete on strong technology rather than what microsoft chooses to "Allow" them to know. Open source created the playing field, now lets watch software companies play on it... or go to bat ourselves :)
I answered, "Open Source Makes no difference to me" on the questions about the importance of GPL. I hope they port their products and sell them and make money on the Linux platform. There are a lot of programmers out there like me that don't care about GPL or "Free" software, but use it because its a cool environment and it provides a level playing field that isn't inundated and overwhelmingly dominated by Microsoft.
Does VAFJ use its own JDK or does it link into the blackdown JDK ?
It seems to me that if you like the company you work for, but don't get along with a single person, you don't quit but you work it out. You talk to higher management, make it known that you have some sort of conflict and you work it out... Arange to be on different projects, whatever. Did Raster try this approach? If he really liked working for RedHat you would think he would have. This doesn't jive with what he said before about having ideological differences with Redhat's wanting to make a "windows" clone. Whatever the reason, the West is the best... welcome Raster... lets get drunk sometime :)
There is a difference between a "SERVER" and the term "SERVER SIDE PROGRAMMING". The bulk of servers have been written in C/C++. Most web based server side programming is done in scripting languages, and now "Bytecode" languages like Java and even TCL. This is because the speed at which these apps can be developed is greatly increased vs. c/c++, VM/Scripting languages tend to be easier to debug, and also there are many programmers out there that simply don't know how to program in c/c++. The VM/Interpreted languages are easier to learn and many programmers simply never need to learn c/c++ because the VM/Interpreted languages do everything they need. That said, there are in fact some new application "servers" like Weblogic and Dynamo that perform quite well and are written in Java, so as performance increases (In the VMs, JITs and cheap ultra fast hardware) we may more servers written in Java and other interpreted/VM languages like TCL/tk...
>Now that they have appeared to anger Linus, he states that the kernel developers will start to focus on those areas where Linux falls short in benchmarks
where did you read this?
Why not run the tests for a week or so straight? I guarantee the NT server will leak memory, bog down, start swapping and eventually crash if left chugging along for more than a week under a high load. The linux box will win that battle hands down... our $20k NT web servers need rebooting about once a week... lets see, our $1000 RedHat 5.1 box... 5 months and counting...
I posted a bunch of times on their newsgroups saying effectively "Dear God, Give me Jbuilder on Linux", when I was developing a java application under windows under contract, windows constantly leeked memory and needed rebooting. sometimes I would have to reboot 6-7 times a day. it sucked.
Jon, your characters are still getting messed up. I keep seeing question marks in place of apostrophe. Aren't you using your new linux box?
Where does one find information about programming GTK in C++ ? I sometimes find it hard to believe that there is still so much C developement going on..
give me a break. There is nothing wrong with proprietary software. Why can't all you hardcore freedom dorks figure this out? Free and proprietary can and should co-exist. Not all software companies can get by selling "support"... just ask Linus...
yea but shes kinda cute though...
The important thing about linux is that it levels the playing field... companies like microsoft have an unfair advantage when they provide the proprietary OS. Linux takes that advantage away for both open source and proprietary software developers and creates a fair playing field for all parties. RMS claims that proprietary software takes away freedom, but if you take that away you remove my FREEDOM to sell proprietary software... and you also remove my FREEDOM to buy proprietary software. If a person wants to buy proprietary software then by all means they should... if they don't agree with the terms then they can use an OpenSource alternative or write their own. Simple as that.. I wish RMS would quit his whinning...
Redhat's needs to clue in and start doing this themselves. New users buy a redhat CD, expect to see some cool stuff and instead they get an old kernel compiled for 386, without sound support, and FVWM with a bunch of broken links in the menus!! I know about 5 people that tried linux and then gave up because they weren't very impressed and didn't realize that with some configuration tweaks Linux rocks, even on the desktop. BTW- Gnome1.0 kicks ass IMHO...
I was there yesterday and never found it... either I was bewildered by everything else, the slashdot booth was small and hidden, or Iam just retarded and walked right by it. fsck!
Who is going to be on this advisory board? linux.com is a very important domain name. If there are fairly choosen members then thats kewl. I don't think VA would put their own employees there.
Why did they skip 4 ?