"Like hell they are. Have you ever used a bad phone? Like, say, an Ericson phone?"
I've had Ericsson phones, and cannot eay I've ever had a 'bad' one. The only complaint I've ever had was that one wasn't very efficient with batteries. Fortunately, it was good at the other things it did.
"Just keep telling yourself that, sparky. You couldn't be more wrong."
That's hardly a rebuttal.
"Your logic is very different from our Earth logic."
That's hardly a rebuttal.
"You may or may not have noticed that they SUCK."
That's funny, my coworker is quite satisfied with his. It's palm based, and he loves it. Even if they do suck in general, it's laughable to think that they'll always be that way. In case you haven't noticed, the same argument could be made about PC's. They're about as generalized as anything can get, yet today they perform a plethora of auxilary tasks that they excel at.
" You also may or may not have noticed that that's my WHOLE POINT."
I know what your point is, it's just not a strong one. It's certainly not backed up by strong reasoning.
Your reasoning is flawed. Phones are a well established technology. Every day, making a good PDA is less and less of a myster. A phone is a logical extension of a PDA. You may or may not have noticed that PDA phones are already on the market.
Funny thing is, if I imagined merging a game machine in with all this, I would 100% agree with you. I've never seen a game machine do something besides play games and excel at either.
" Otherwise, yeah, it's pretty much a free rental place."
Does that really happen? If the game's satisfactory, who's going to return it by the time the policy expires?
I'm sorry, but I've heard this reasoning a million times and I've never personally witnessed an actual event where people have, en masse, taken advantage of policies like that.
People are, for the most part, honest. If they weren't, then clothing stores would be out of business. Imagine buying some clothes, returning them, buying new clothes, rinse, repeat. Wouldn't even need a washing machine anymore.:P
"There's a reason game studios release demo versions. If you like it, and it runs on your computer, buy it. Otherwise, caveat emptor."
I'm surprised this criticism isn't aimed at the RIAA. They basically have a setup where you're expected to make a purchase without really knowing what all you're buying, and you have no guarantee of satisfaction.
I, for the most part, agree with parent poster. The Games Industry has gone a long way to make sure that you know what you're getting with a game purchase. The Record Industry, though, has been downright evil about it.
Frankly, I think there should be energy put into getting music return policies lifted. That's an attainable goal that benefits the consumer, and forces the RIAA to play fair.
"actually, I carry a cell phone, PDA, gameboy advance, *AND* an iPod. You know why? I hate compromising. And like it or not, there aren't any decent "convergence" devices that can do 2 of those things well, let alone 4."
I agree with you from the gaming standpoint of it, but I don't on the rest of it. There's no reason why a single device can't be a PDA, phone, and Mp3 player. The storage is the problem now, and one day in the not too distant future, that'll be fixed.
... "Why not just encode it at 384 and be done with it?", consider that PDAs have 64 megs of RAM, cell phones get no better than 56k, and that not everybody has broadband.
The one about the anonymous henchman who didn't watch what was going on therefore he was completely oblivious to information everybody else was clued in on was pretty amusing. Thanks for reminding me of it.
"This is BS. It's my peers that have and are having kids these days. We're the generation that grew up on video games first. You can't tell me that we don't know about video games, pure BS all the way."
Makes you wonder if this'll be a problem in 10-15 years when the generation raised on games like these becomes parents.
"though perhaps it should still be mentioned that typing text in a graphical box is still graphical."
The problem is you have to know to type 'SMB'. It's not clear to me that a lot of desktop users would get that. I've tried to describe things like that over the phone and not had good luck.
"don't have to know ANY command line tools to use Linux"
Glad this came up actually. I just downloaded Knoppix and have it running here, but I can't get to the other machines (Windows) on the network. When I had this problem at work, I fired up Samba (after sifting through man pages) and managed to make it work. Can you (or anybody) tell me how to hit the network via KDE without using the CLI?
You shouldn't. You have to keep it patched too. I built an Apache server and it was rooted within 2 weeks. (Note: I'm a Linux newb who didn't know any better.)
" His hotel room phones are routinely bugged -- a few (former) coworkers have had their stays 'shortened' and politely asked to leave the country, when they said dumb things over the phone."
Can somebody explain to me the dynamics involved here? I've been sent to my room before for telling everybody at the dinner table that my mom had to buy larger underwear after gaining some weight, but I've never been told to leave the country...
I guess this shows a fundamental problem with the internet as a commercial entity. It's kind of like being charged every time your phone rings. Imagine your bill going up because a bunch of autodialers were set up to call random numbers.
Seems to me that either billing practices need to be reworked, or the net needs to be modified with considerations like this in mind.
"We were just commenting today on how there should be a standing class action law suit against Microsoft. We could not think of a real reason, be you seem to have one here. The loss of business and revenue, whether from your pocket or your ISP's pocket, mulitplied acorss many ISPs seems like a case to me "
Ugh. It's funny how morals here perform a complete 180 when there's an opportunity to get Microsoft into trouble.
Here's the simple fact: Microsoft didn't write the worm.
Now you can make the argument if you like that Microsoft was negligent. Just remember, that if you follow that logic, then Linux could find itself liable down the road. Some jackass comes up with an exploit, it causes trouble, and the Linux community is punished for it. Do you really want that?
I have other issues with this line of reasoning. If I walk into a hospital with a cellular phone and intentionally use it to jam equipment there, should Nokia be sued for it? What about the company who made the equipment? Considering that the disruption was caused malisciously (sp?), then the finger needs to be pointed at me.
I would strongly urge the Slashdot Community to be very careful about what you wish for, especially when it concerns punishment for Microsoft. It's fun to hate them and all, but the consequences they recieve could wind up biting you in the butt. Eolas comes to mind...
Usually these games give you a free month to try them. Besides, isn't the point of a lot of these games that you keep at it regularly? Granted, I haven't played one, but the real-time nature of it makes me think that if you go a few days without playing it, you're missing something important.
Slashdot Mirror
... but my Aunt's Mac had a sound on it that pavlovically attracted her into her office. It was McCoy saying "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!"
From a couple of rooms away, the 'l' in vulcan is silent.
"Wow. You're a real tool. I especially hate the way you just said the same incredibly nerdy whine twice."
I apologize for pointing out that you didn't actually make an argument. I'll be more sensitive towards your feelings from here on.
"You forgot that I said "good PDA's.""
No, I didn't.
"Like hell they are. Have you ever used a bad phone? Like, say, an Ericson phone?"
I've had Ericsson phones, and cannot eay I've ever had a 'bad' one. The only complaint I've ever had was that one wasn't very efficient with batteries. Fortunately, it was good at the other things it did.
"Just keep telling yourself that, sparky. You couldn't be more wrong."
That's hardly a rebuttal.
"Your logic is very different from our Earth logic."
That's hardly a rebuttal.
"You may or may not have noticed that they SUCK."
That's funny, my coworker is quite satisfied with his. It's palm based, and he loves it. Even if they do suck in general, it's laughable to think that they'll always be that way. In case you haven't noticed, the same argument could be made about PC's. They're about as generalized as anything can get, yet today they perform a plethora of auxilary tasks that they excel at.
" You also may or may not have noticed that that's my WHOLE POINT."
I know what your point is, it's just not a strong one. It's certainly not backed up by strong reasoning.
"Who makes good PDA's? Palm. Nobody else."
You forgot Compaq and Sharp.
"That's why "convergence" devices are shit."
Your reasoning is flawed. Phones are a well established technology. Every day, making a good PDA is less and less of a myster. A phone is a logical extension of a PDA. You may or may not have noticed that PDA phones are already on the market.
Funny thing is, if I imagined merging a game machine in with all this, I would 100% agree with you. I've never seen a game machine do something besides play games and excel at either.
" Otherwise, yeah, it's pretty much a free rental place."
:P
Does that really happen? If the game's satisfactory, who's going to return it by the time the policy expires?
I'm sorry, but I've heard this reasoning a million times and I've never personally witnessed an actual event where people have, en masse, taken advantage of policies like that.
People are, for the most part, honest. If they weren't, then clothing stores would be out of business. Imagine buying some clothes, returning them, buying new clothes, rinse, repeat. Wouldn't even need a washing machine anymore.
"There's a reason game studios release demo versions. If you like it, and it runs on your computer, buy it. Otherwise, caveat emptor."
I'm surprised this criticism isn't aimed at the RIAA. They basically have a setup where you're expected to make a purchase without really knowing what all you're buying, and you have no guarantee of satisfaction.
I, for the most part, agree with parent poster. The Games Industry has gone a long way to make sure that you know what you're getting with a game purchase. The Record Industry, though, has been downright evil about it.
Frankly, I think there should be energy put into getting music return policies lifted. That's an attainable goal that benefits the consumer, and forces the RIAA to play fair.
"actually, I carry a cell phone, PDA, gameboy advance, *AND* an iPod. You know why? I hate compromising. And like it or not, there aren't any decent "convergence" devices that can do 2 of those things well, let alone 4."
I agree with you from the gaming standpoint of it, but I don't on the rest of it. There's no reason why a single device can't be a PDA, phone, and Mp3 player. The storage is the problem now, and one day in the not too distant future, that'll be fixed.
"Fresh fish! Fresh fish! Fresh fish!"
Well I've had enough of this conversation. I'm outta here.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
"the purpose of PDAs is not to play music "
Yet they do, and people like to use them for that. Fascinating.
"the purpose of cell phones is not to play music"
Yet the holy grail of mobile computing is to merge the PDA (which can play music) and the cell phone.
You may like carrying around a cell phone, PDA, and iPod in your pockets, but I want one device that does it all.
"How about putting that into proper syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you are saying before I dismiss it?"
If you cannot understand what I said, then maybe you shouldn't be saying I'm the one with the microscopic brain.
... "Why not just encode it at 384 and be done with it?", consider that PDAs have 64 megs of RAM, cell phones get no better than 56k, and that not everybody has broadband.
"Can you imagine what you could make with a Beowulf cluster of these?"
A laser-guided kitten!
"why does every science experiment have to throw in buzzwords such as "may be use in quantum computers" or "may help a cure for cancer"
So are they supposed to build the quantum computer, and then build the lasers that would control it?
Baby steps.
"Did 3 start any new jokes?"
The one about the anonymous henchman who didn't watch what was going on therefore he was completely oblivious to information everybody else was clued in on was pretty amusing. Thanks for reminding me of it.
"This is BS. It's my peers that have and are having kids these days. We're the generation that grew up on video games first. You can't tell me that we don't know about video games, pure BS all the way."
Makes you wonder if this'll be a problem in 10-15 years when the generation raised on games like these becomes parents.
"Redhat or Theo de Raadt? Note that the OpenSSH folk (Theo et al) provided a patch really quickly. Redhat was slower. So-- who is responsible?"
All I know is that I wouldn't write a line of code for the Open Source Community for fear that I'd be held liable for some jackass exploiting it.
"though perhaps it should still be mentioned that typing text in a graphical box is still graphical."
The problem is you have to know to type 'SMB'. It's not clear to me that a lot of desktop users would get that. I've tried to describe things like that over the phone and not had good luck.
"Friendly AC that started this whole thing."
Thank you!
P.s. I'm not so anonVmous...
"Open the KDE file browser "Konqueror" and put "smb://" in the address bar (no quotes). Was that so hard?"
It works, but I still had to know to type 'smb' in. How do I browse the network?
"don't have to know ANY command line tools to use Linux"
Glad this came up actually. I just downloaded Knoppix and have it running here, but I can't get to the other machines (Windows) on the network. When I had this problem at work, I fired up Samba (after sifting through man pages) and managed to make it work. Can you (or anybody) tell me how to hit the network via KDE without using the CLI?
"I feel pretty damn safe under Linux..."
You shouldn't. You have to keep it patched too. I built an Apache server and it was rooted within 2 weeks. (Note: I'm a Linux newb who didn't know any better.)
"Engage!
"Unable to comply: Error 404"
" His hotel room phones are routinely bugged -- a few (former) coworkers have had their stays 'shortened' and politely asked to leave the country, when they said dumb things over the phone."
Can somebody explain to me the dynamics involved here? I've been sent to my room before for telling everybody at the dinner table that my mom had to buy larger underwear after gaining some weight, but I've never been told to leave the country...
I guess this shows a fundamental problem with the internet as a commercial entity. It's kind of like being charged every time your phone rings. Imagine your bill going up because a bunch of autodialers were set up to call random numbers.
Seems to me that either billing practices need to be reworked, or the net needs to be modified with considerations like this in mind.
"We were just commenting today on how there should be a standing class action law suit against Microsoft. We could not think of a real reason, be you seem to have one here. The loss of business and revenue, whether from your pocket or your ISP's pocket, mulitplied acorss many ISPs seems like a case to me "
Ugh. It's funny how morals here perform a complete 180 when there's an opportunity to get Microsoft into trouble.
Here's the simple fact: Microsoft didn't write the worm.
Now you can make the argument if you like that Microsoft was negligent. Just remember, that if you follow that logic, then Linux could find itself liable down the road. Some jackass comes up with an exploit, it causes trouble, and the Linux community is punished for it. Do you really want that?
I have other issues with this line of reasoning. If I walk into a hospital with a cellular phone and intentionally use it to jam equipment there, should Nokia be sued for it? What about the company who made the equipment? Considering that the disruption was caused malisciously (sp?), then the finger needs to be pointed at me.
I would strongly urge the Slashdot Community to be very careful about what you wish for, especially when it concerns punishment for Microsoft. It's fun to hate them and all, but the consequences they recieve could wind up biting you in the butt. Eolas comes to mind...
Usually these games give you a free month to try them. Besides, isn't the point of a lot of these games that you keep at it regularly? Granted, I haven't played one, but the real-time nature of it makes me think that if you go a few days without playing it, you're missing something important.