We use the 4.5 version of McAfee; this should be the only one used at all, IMO. Use the latest SuperDAT after installation, it includes the *very necessary* engine upgrade.
The only problem I have ever had is that, after it is installed, you cannot run scandisk or defrag with McAfee running (on Win9x); it will hang up the computer. To fix this, turn off the services (the VScan *and* the console; a lot of people forget the console).
In a corporate environment.... why in the hell do your users have the rights to install it in the first place?, tighten that shit up and take away their rights to install.
I know there are ways from ever letting it become an issue, but there are a few things in the way...
1) I'm not always the person who creates the network. Many (most) times I am working with what was assembled by the people before me.
2) A great many corporations and government institutions are still using Win9x clients. You cannot practically restrict installation rights on at OS.
3) Removing installation rights is a very politically charged issue, especially in a mixed or upgraded environment. Also, many times the admin doesnt have the authority to create policy, so you need to have a Manager or CIO who is both willing to take the heat, and technically competant enough to understand the scope of the problem (before it becomes a major issue, at any rate).
Or hey, get a firewall and block the traffic.... and no, its not going to take thousand of dollars or hundreds of man hours if you know what your doing (especially since you should already have this infrastucture in place anyway). If your firsthand experience is as a sysadmin you should know by now to stop complaing and fix it. The alternative is to pay for more bandwidth to handle all your lusers spyware, weatherbots, lotter trackers, eBay sniping.... come on now.
4) In many environments, I cannot change the rules on the firewall, this is handled by another person or department. However, there ALWAYS has to be a firewall; Im setting one up next week, and have in the past, so I already know its not a huge undertaking.
Im not complaining. Im mearly providing more information in order that others can understand the whole situation. You have to admit, a lot of people at slashdot dont really see issues in terms of corporate needs, which they should.
I imagine there are governments which are just frothing at the mouth over quantum computers. They'd have access to hordes of encrypted data that they've no doubt been saving for just such an occasion.
Does this mean we can finally find out who killed JFK?
Machines running this software were used in California's Riverside County for the 2000 presidential election and for last month's California gubernatorial recall election.
As the parent post said, Gator/Claria is essentially forcing unwanted advertising down the throats of computer users.
Another casualty is performance: these spyware programs arent just tracking your usage and pushing advertising, they are consuming finite computer resources in the form of processing power, networking bandwidth, and memory space.
I have seen firsthand what all of these programs do to a corporate environment, and it is just as bad (if not worse) than a virus. The difference between a virus and spyware is that the former can kill or corrupt your computer, while the latter weakens and sufficates it.
Since these computers have no protection against the spyware, this causes many effects- all of which bleed resources from the company.
1) degraded computer performance: the worker now has to work slower
2) increased network bandwidth consumtion: this degrades network performance for the entire company, as well as again consuming an ever-growning share of a finite resource (WAN bandwidth)
3) increased computer support: the time and expense involved in having somebody diagnose and fix the problem effecting the client computer(s)
Once you start trying impliment a solution, a company is forced to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of man-hours planning and implimenting a solution to stop all the spyware.
I would encourage companies to start taking legal action against these spyware companies. What they are doing is every bit as bad and immoral as releasing computer viruses into the wild.
I was making a sarcastic remark regaring your criticism of my name, moron. Only an asshat like you would be dumb enough to criticize a nick.
Honestly, you sound like you are fishing for answers. Sorry, no free consulting for you. Figure your own shit out, or hire somebody good to do it for you.
Actually, rockets have been much safer than the Space Shuttle; the shuttle has what, three rockets on it?
The whole premise behind the Space Shuttle was crazy, especially considering they scrapped a rocket program which had already matured in favor of chasing the illusion of a reusable space craft.
Its sad. Looking at the history of aviation, things went downhill right after we reached the moon, and just kept on getting worse. Had we let technological evolution take its course, we would probably already have a plane which could reach orbit.
suprisingly (given plaintiffs' willingness to roll over on this issue in the past), vouchers used for software need not be used to purchase Microsoft products.
You can use this voucher to purchase any operating system for your PC, and it doesnt have to be Microsoft!
From parent post: It should have been CASH.
Class action suits are like trading in games at Electronics Boutique, GameStop, etc.- you get more bang for your buck with the credit than with cash. Considering all the people involved are only going to get probably $10 each, the cash would have probably come to $2 each.
In class action suits, the only people really making out are the lawyers.
Sun Microsystems has "has cleared a place for its Java Enterprise System on the NSW government's software shelf, continuing its campaign to weaken Microsoft's monopoly over the desktop
Does this mean that Sun will start using Java internally? Because they dont, in case you didnt know; it was too buggy, and they found it lacking in version control.
It may not be good enough for Sun, but its good enough to sell to governments!
Some people think Communism implies atheism, but they are independent social factors. A strong religion might be one way to overcome the natural greed that impedes Communism
Because we all know, historically speaking, how good for humanity strong religion has turned out to be.
I have all the pieces in place, and my ultimate plan here is to switch all our desktops over, once I find something that isn't going to reduce the 'feature set' of our desktops. An upgrade isn't really viable if I have to tell everyone "oh sorry, you can't select printing options when you print anymore, they can only be set in the driver options - which you can't access".
Learn how to edit the registry. You can also serve out the changes over the network with a logon script, if you want to automate it.
Alternately, you can just set those options at the server level, and have multiple 'printer' objects (like the printer set for one-sided and a different for duplex).
Most complaints from linux people are due to them not really knowing how to do things, not an inability of it actually working. Just a tip- everything in Windows can be set or modified in the registry.
I can't do any sort of automatic app installation, which is one of the things that bothers me a lot.
Wininstall, SMS, etc. There are nothing but options out there for this; more looking, less complaining.
but it's big enough that it takes a lot of time to go around doing windowsupdate
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Automatic Updates.
Ya, they really make it hard. You can also set up a server with Software Update Services (SUS) if you only want it grab the updates via the LAN, and/or if you want to test the patches first.
My job is not to be a sysadmin (we're not even a computer-related business), so the less time I spend sysadmin-ing, the better.
Its not that hard or time consuming to do. Do it, its easy.
i'm not looking to fight with any of you MSCE's that are going to try and counter everything I've just said - I've heard it a million times.
So what are you complaining about, that Windows doesnt do everything itself, or Bill Gates doesnt come over and configure everthing? Anyway, these are just some suggestions, dont take this as a rip.
And no, there is no compelling reason to upgrade from 2000 to longhorn. There is nothing forcing people to switch to XP either; in fact, I dont even see MS trying to force people off of 2000.
Im recommending people get Win2k3 servers, because there are compelling reasons for it. But, as I said, your needs dictate what you purchase. I dont see MS trying to.
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I dont even use Linux, and SCO is really pissing me off.
Headline: IN ROD WE TRUST!
The only problem I have ever had is that, after it is installed, you cannot run scandisk or defrag with McAfee running (on Win9x); it will hang up the computer. To fix this, turn off the services (the VScan *and* the console; a lot of people forget the console).
I know there are ways from ever letting it become an issue, but there are a few things in the way...
1) I'm not always the person who creates the network. Many (most) times I am working with what was assembled by the people before me.
2) A great many corporations and government institutions are still using Win9x clients. You cannot practically restrict installation rights on at OS.
3) Removing installation rights is a very politically charged issue, especially in a mixed or upgraded environment. Also, many times the admin doesnt have the authority to create policy, so you need to have a Manager or CIO who is both willing to take the heat, and technically competant enough to understand the scope of the problem (before it becomes a major issue, at any rate).
Or hey, get a firewall and block the traffic.... and no, its not going to take thousand of dollars or hundreds of man hours if you know what your doing (especially since you should already have this infrastucture in place anyway). If your firsthand experience is as a sysadmin you should know by now to stop complaing and fix it. The alternative is to pay for more bandwidth to handle all your lusers spyware, weatherbots, lotter trackers, eBay sniping.... come on now.
4) In many environments, I cannot change the rules on the firewall, this is handled by another person or department. However, there ALWAYS has to be a firewall; Im setting one up next week, and have in the past, so I already know its not a huge undertaking.
Im not complaining. Im mearly providing more information in order that others can understand the whole situation. You have to admit, a lot of people at slashdot dont really see issues in terms of corporate needs, which they should.
You will be mine, oh yes, you will be mine...
Dont worry, you can still naturally enlarge your breasts.
BTW, does selling natural breast enlargement to male computer users seem redundant to anybody else?
Does this mean we can finally find out who killed JFK?
In other news, Levi's has announced a lawsuit against IBM, citing the name of the server line could confuse their customers.
I predict Longhorn comes out before Lindows, anyway.
SkyNet put it there!
Another casualty is performance: these spyware programs arent just tracking your usage and pushing advertising, they are consuming finite computer resources in the form of processing power, networking bandwidth, and memory space.
I have seen firsthand what all of these programs do to a corporate environment, and it is just as bad (if not worse) than a virus. The difference between a virus and spyware is that the former can kill or corrupt your computer, while the latter weakens and sufficates it.
Since these computers have no protection against the spyware, this causes many effects- all of which bleed resources from the company.
1) degraded computer performance: the worker now has to work slower
2) increased network bandwidth consumtion: this degrades network performance for the entire company, as well as again consuming an ever-growning share of a finite resource (WAN bandwidth)
3) increased computer support: the time and expense involved in having somebody diagnose and fix the problem effecting the client computer(s)
Once you start trying impliment a solution, a company is forced to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of man-hours planning and implimenting a solution to stop all the spyware.
I would encourage companies to start taking legal action against these spyware companies. What they are doing is every bit as bad and immoral as releasing computer viruses into the wild.
Mod parent down for irrelevant statement.
I think that got cancelled when they told Justin Timberlake "NO" to going into space.
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. -Emma Goldman (1869 - 1940)
If people are going to get scared from the sigs people use, this is a scary place indeed.
I fart in your general direction
Honestly, you sound like you are fishing for answers. Sorry, no free consulting for you. Figure your own shit out, or hire somebody good to do it for you.
You will be mine, oh yes, you will be mine...
The whole premise behind the Space Shuttle was crazy, especially considering they scrapped a rocket program which had already matured in favor of chasing the illusion of a reusable space craft.
Its sad. Looking at the history of aviation, things went downhill right after we reached the moon, and just kept on getting worse. Had we let technological evolution take its course, we would probably already have a plane which could reach orbit.
You can use this voucher to purchase any operating system for your PC, and it doesnt have to be Microsoft!
From parent post: It should have been CASH.
Class action suits are like trading in games at Electronics Boutique, GameStop, etc.- you get more bang for your buck with the credit than with cash. Considering all the people involved are only going to get probably $10 each, the cash would have probably come to $2 each.
In class action suits, the only people really making out are the lawyers.
Since when do DVDs have commercials on them?
Does this mean that Sun will start using Java internally? Because they dont, in case you didnt know; it was too buggy, and they found it lacking in version control.
It may not be good enough for Sun, but its good enough to sell to governments!
Lead lined envelopes: You can put your WEED in it!
Because we all know, historically speaking, how good for humanity strong religion has turned out to be.
Does it play Ogg?
Learn how to edit the registry. You can also serve out the changes over the network with a logon script, if you want to automate it.
Alternately, you can just set those options at the server level, and have multiple 'printer' objects (like the printer set for one-sided and a different for duplex).
Most complaints from linux people are due to them not really knowing how to do things, not an inability of it actually working. Just a tip- everything in Windows can be set or modified in the registry.
I can't do any sort of automatic app installation, which is one of the things that bothers me a lot.
Wininstall, SMS, etc. There are nothing but options out there for this; more looking, less complaining.
but it's big enough that it takes a lot of time to go around doing windowsupdate
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Automatic Updates.
Ya, they really make it hard. You can also set up a server with Software Update Services (SUS) if you only want it grab the updates via the LAN, and/or if you want to test the patches first.
My job is not to be a sysadmin (we're not even a computer-related business), so the less time I spend sysadmin-ing, the better.
Its not that hard or time consuming to do. Do it, its easy.
i'm not looking to fight with any of you MSCE's that are going to try and counter everything I've just said - I've heard it a million times.
So what are you complaining about, that Windows doesnt do everything itself, or Bill Gates doesnt come over and configure everthing? Anyway, these are just some suggestions, dont take this as a rip.
And no, there is no compelling reason to upgrade from 2000 to longhorn. There is nothing forcing people to switch to XP either; in fact, I dont even see MS trying to force people off of 2000.
Im recommending people get Win2k3 servers, because there are compelling reasons for it. But, as I said, your needs dictate what you purchase. I dont see MS trying to.