how long is it going to take for something on linux to do what installshield does on windows?
Am I missing something here, or is this really just like having a zip file throw things around into directories? I admit not knowing about linux, and am doing little to change that.
But my point is that finding people to do Linux desktop support is as easy as calling several service vendors and getting competetive bids. Then it is the vendor's responsibility to find and train good people just as they do now. And the people the vendor sends over with Linux expertise are likely to be more technically astute than the average numbnuts they keep around to suppport MS Windows shops.
I know all about that. I work for a gvt, as a consultant. And I honestly say that anyone that contracts out thier IT is fricken stupid. Having said that, where I work has finally started being smart about it, and contract employees will only be used on a project basis. Fortunately for me, I only do projects anyway- they just ended up sticking me with support because they cant hire anyone competant who knows how to do technical stuff. But now Im out and back on projects (hopefully).
Back to the point, the problem is you end up spending at LEAST twice as much money on contract employees than running the show yourself. But, I guess if you cant run it right, hopefully you can find somebody who can.
Huh? MS tends to MAKE money. If you look at firms such as Caldera, RedHat, Mandrake, etc, I would say its business as usual, but not exactly MS business.
Appple seems to be doing better with Uncle Bill's hot cash injection than Corel did.
There are some tools with no reasonable purpose besides evil.
While this instance proves that Echelon can be used for good, who insures that?
Kind of a baseless arguement- you can state that for anything. A car: driving to work = good, smashing it into a person or loading it with explosives and driving it into an embasy = bad
Guns: defending your self from kidnappers breaking into your home = good, killing someone during an armed robbery = bad.
GameCube: Metroid = good, staying up til 3am playing on a worknight = bad
ie is it completed closed, or are there specific hosts that have access to public and private. Inevitably there's always some host somewhere that comprimises this type of idea.
No, they are completely separate. They have problems with people needing multiple computers to work on the different networks; there was an article a while ago about the gvt wanting an OS that can run on separate NICS, with separate OS instances for each NIC, and without sharing memory addressing between the instances- current VM software doesnt meet the requirements. I guess having three computers per person is expensive, go figure.
Well, since its government its not like any work gets done. I know where I work there are all kinds of apps (especially in revenue and such departments) which need to be run that are only made for win32.
But then again, there is always publishing applications with citrix, so I suppose its viable...
I just wonder if their support costs are going to be higher. Finding 5 competant people to do Linux desktop support (and retaining them) might not be easy (or cheap).
You cannot go from Windows 95 to any NT-based Windows without a learning curve.
Thats not really true. The users where are work are truely clueless (like they arent all over...), but the users who get moved from Win9x to Win2k dont really have any trouble.
In fact, most of them like it because it doesnt crash any more. However, eventually they realize they arent allowed to install new applications. Muhahahahaha!! Policies are great...
Since you missed the point of my original posting, I will rephrase it.
The problem with piracy that causes companies to lose the most money isnt casual copying. The main problem is with countries where their sales are essentially zero, due to piracy that is legitimate (or at least not stopped).
For example, there are many countries where MS has extremely low sales (like China), but they actaully have a very large installed base. So they know people are using their product- its just nobody is paying for a legitimate license.
I have a good friend who interned an MS. He had a good experience, and was offered a job when he graduated. They pay interns very well, but they are expected to pull 55+ work weeks, and have no weekends. If you can get past the stigma of working for the Dark Side, it's a great opprotunity...
I have a friend who interned with Linux. He had all the free beer he could download, but the company went chapter 11 before his internship was finished. They didnt pay anything (the OS is free, after all), but they are expected to contribute while they arent playing Quake. If you can get past the stigma of living with your parents, its a great opportunity...
I wrote: Its about the 1000 copies that are being sold in a mall in Poland or Saigon. When you have actual stores selling illegal copies for $1, how is your $30 boxed product going to compete?
You wrote: I'm not sure where you live, but here in North America such organized piracy is very rare
A home user shouldn't have to dick around in the registry.
And I dont even know one casual Windows user who even knows what the registry is.
A home user shouldn't have to worry about security holes in their OS that a truck could drive through.
FUD. MS has just as many holes as linux, and that is just improving as time goes by. We'll revisit this discussion once Win2003 comes out, no doubt.
A home user shouldn't have to reinstall their OS and apps once or twice a year because the system gets crufty and slows down.
That is why home users should start using WinXP. Once I started using Win2000 at home I stopped swearing at my computer. But ya, Win9x sucks compared to contemporary OS's. Comparing Win95 to the current distro of Linux hardly seems fair, however.
A home user shouldn't have to worry about their OS vendor tracking what they do with their machine, or what software is loaded on it.
I dont think they do. Most people dont even know what spyware is. Friday I had to write a huge email and will probably be in meetings Monday because of all the users blissfully installing Hotbar's web tracking shit. So no, they really dont worry about this stuff.
A home user shouldn't have to agree to dodgy EULAs granting disturbing rights to their OS vendor in order to download and install "critical" updates and necessary service packs.
More FUD. I havent ever had trouble with an EULA, and they dont put the 'first born child' clause in there.
I'd rather have my $200 and be the one who's in control of my computer.
Thats why Im glad MS is still around. It gives us non-linux users a choice.
I think he was saying that after working at the pizza place all day, the last thing he wants to do is come home and eat pizza.
Im in the same boat, and I for one am glad that I can just use my computer at home w/o it being a Sisyphean task.
When you are at High School all day, and spend the rest of your day fixing your computer, that is leisure time. But when you fix computers all day, coming home and fixing your computer is just seems like work.
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Am I missing something here, or is this really just like having a zip file throw things around into directories? I admit not knowing about linux, and am doing little to change that.
I know all about that. I work for a gvt, as a consultant. And I honestly say that anyone that contracts out thier IT is fricken stupid. Having said that, where I work has finally started being smart about it, and contract employees will only be used on a project basis. Fortunately for me, I only do projects anyway- they just ended up sticking me with support because they cant hire anyone competant who knows how to do technical stuff. But now Im out and back on projects (hopefully).
Back to the point, the problem is you end up spending at LEAST twice as much money on contract employees than running the show yourself. But, I guess if you cant run it right, hopefully you can find somebody who can.
Nice! I didnt catch that. Makes it sound like some really bizarre driving manual.
Donuts. Is there anything they cant do?
If you spend enough time in school, Bush will be out of office. Then the economy will start to improve.
Huh? MS tends to MAKE money. If you look at firms such as Caldera, RedHat, Mandrake, etc, I would say its business as usual, but not exactly MS business.
Appple seems to be doing better with Uncle Bill's hot cash injection than Corel did.
Actually, a better question than that would be how long is he going to whore out man-kzin wars.
While this instance proves that Echelon can be used for good, who insures that?
Kind of a baseless arguement- you can state that for anything. A car: driving to work = good, smashing it into a person or loading it with explosives and driving it into an embasy = bad
Guns: defending your self from kidnappers breaking into your home = good, killing someone during an armed robbery = bad.
GameCube: Metroid = good, staying up til 3am playing on a worknight = bad
Well, I guess they better put the brakes on it until they can convince you.
No, they are completely separate. They have problems with people needing multiple computers to work on the different networks; there was an article a while ago about the gvt wanting an OS that can run on separate NICS, with separate OS instances for each NIC, and without sharing memory addressing between the instances- current VM software doesnt meet the requirements. I guess having three computers per person is expensive, go figure.
WOW, he's their spokesperson? I LOVED "Armies of Darkness"!!
Hail to the King, BABY!!
But then again, there is always publishing applications with citrix, so I suppose its viable...
I just wonder if their support costs are going to be higher. Finding 5 competant people to do Linux desktop support (and retaining them) might not be easy (or cheap).
Thats not really true. The users where are work are truely clueless (like they arent all over...), but the users who get moved from Win9x to Win2k dont really have any trouble.
In fact, most of them like it because it doesnt crash any more. However, eventually they realize they arent allowed to install new applications. Muhahahahaha!! Policies are great...
I always said TLC didnt write their own music!
Oh come on, that was funny, especially when you see the 100000000 Ringworld-based books.
Someone should have asked Niven how much longer he was going to whore out the Ringworld series.
The problem with piracy that causes companies to lose the most money isnt casual copying. The main problem is with countries where their sales are essentially zero, due to piracy that is legitimate (or at least not stopped).
For example, there are many countries where MS has extremely low sales (like China), but they actaully have a very large installed base. So they know people are using their product- its just nobody is paying for a legitimate license.
I have a friend who interned with Linux. He had all the free beer he could download, but the company went chapter 11 before his internship was finished. They didnt pay anything (the OS is free, after all), but they are expected to contribute while they arent playing Quake. If you can get past the stigma of living with your parents, its a great opportunity...
I hope Goku doesnt hit "Cell" with a "DragonBall"
You wrote: I'm not sure where you live, but here in North America such organized piracy is very rare
You did read my post, right?
By who? I hope its not the Borg. They dont like us...
Why fix the editor's stupid mistakes? I like seeing proof that they dont even read slashdot.
And I dont even know one casual Windows user who even knows what the registry is.
A home user shouldn't have to worry about security holes in their OS that a truck could drive through.
FUD. MS has just as many holes as linux, and that is just improving as time goes by. We'll revisit this discussion once Win2003 comes out, no doubt.
A home user shouldn't have to reinstall their OS and apps once or twice a year because the system gets crufty and slows down.
That is why home users should start using WinXP. Once I started using Win2000 at home I stopped swearing at my computer. But ya, Win9x sucks compared to contemporary OS's. Comparing Win95 to the current distro of Linux hardly seems fair, however.
A home user shouldn't have to worry about their OS vendor tracking what they do with their machine, or what software is loaded on it.
I dont think they do. Most people dont even know what spyware is. Friday I had to write a huge email and will probably be in meetings Monday because of all the users blissfully installing Hotbar's web tracking shit. So no, they really dont worry about this stuff.
A home user shouldn't have to agree to dodgy EULAs granting disturbing rights to their OS vendor in order to download and install "critical" updates and necessary service packs.
More FUD. I havent ever had trouble with an EULA, and they dont put the 'first born child' clause in there.
I'd rather have my $200 and be the one who's in control of my computer.
Thats why Im glad MS is still around. It gives us non-linux users a choice.
Im in the same boat, and I for one am glad that I can just use my computer at home w/o it being a Sisyphean task.
When you are at High School all day, and spend the rest of your day fixing your computer, that is leisure time. But when you fix computers all day, coming home and fixing your computer is just seems like work.