The last thing Microsoft wants is for people to find out or realize that you can do "computery" things without a computer running one of their operating systems. It's why they had shills in the late 80's early 90's saying: "Hey, don't buy an Amiga or ST, because you'll need to bring home work from the office and those machines don't use the "industry standard" software".
Or when Microsoft bought WebTV, which allowed people to send e-mail, use USENET, IRC chat, and view webpages on a consumer oriented piece of hardware that hooked up to the TV and didn't run Windows, and then let it languish.
Sega, Sony and Nintendo probably scared Microsoft silly when their hardware became capable of running PC style games without being cut down so much Sega's netlink and Sony's prototype PSone modem probably gave them the impetus for entering the market. "If we don't enter their makret, they'll eventually enter ours and make game consoles that people can use to browse the net." Sony's use of Linux tools for developing probably gave them fits as well.
And think of the PS2...acknowledged capable of running Linux from the start, with a slot for a hard drive and networking, and USB ports. Microsoft knew that Cony could do some kind of "web kiosk" software for the PS2 any time they wanted to, or worse, do a general release of the Linux kit. SCEE apparently had a "Live" version of the distro in the Linux kit that they tested out. Let's also not forget the Japan only release of the BBN software which let Japanese PS2 owners do a lot of stuff that we Americans only got to do upon release of the PS3.
Then came the PS3...which at one time, ran Linux out of the box, all you needed was install media. And there was at one time a plan to install it by default on all PS3's alongside GameOS. The PS3 also does media, and has a built in web browser, and support for downloadable apps (though Sony didn't add an "app" section to the PSN store till recently). That thing was Microsoft's worst nightmare come to life. Who needs Windows to play complex games? Who needs Windows just to visit facebook.
So Microsoft has to stay in the market just to keep Sony and/or Nintendo off balance enough to prevent them from getting any more ideas.
Compare that to the stinking unworkable piles of shit that were the average Linux distros at the time, hell, I remember Gnome back when XP was released and it looked like some horrible blocky IRIX knockoff. That was back when ISP's gave you shell accounts and the only sane uses of Linux were running servers and taking IRC channels.
I think you're misremembering your dates there. XP came out in 2001, long past the age of ISP shell accounts, perhaps you're thinking of Win 3.1
I used gnome a bit back in 2002, on a Red Hat 6 variant. it basically looked like a GTK1 version of the Gnome 2.foo I used on Fedora 12, 13 and 14. I used single panel on bottom style, applications button on the left, notifications and clock on the right, taskbar in the middle. Very Windows-ish The KDE1 version on that old Red Hat variant was also very Windows ish by default.
Perhaps you should have announced which language you used, not everyone, even on slashdot, would recognize python from such a short snippet of code. Let alone realize it's probably Python3, when it fails to work Python2 is still the default on many systems, including Fedora.
Oh, I'm not asking you to give up your 60" screen with surround sound home theater speakers, I'm just saying the phone will replace the XBox 360 or other game console.
Which are often connected to 60" screens and surround sound.
Spyro Crash Bandicoot All the PC to PSone ports. DOOM, Panzer General, and X-Com are alll early "big box" PSone games. Warzone 2100 (simultaneous release on PC) Quake II
About the only Japan dominated genre on the PSone were RPG's because at that time US/UK RPG devs were still VERY anti-console.
I'd say. Restore true PS2 compatibility in hardware
They don't need to, the figured out how to "remaster" at least some PS2 games for the PS2 Classics section on PSN These aren't the GoW or ICO/SoC HD remakes, but actual PS2 games.
Besides, the PlayStation fans who had large libraries of PS2 games bought their PS3's years ago back during the CECHA/CECHB/CECHE era. Any newcomers to sony systems probably don't have such libraries.
Carmack is an imbecile who only really knows progamming on PC's and making tech demos designed as games. He's never had to learn how to design for fixed hardware, being the sort of guy who builds a game that everyone suggests you upgrade your machine to play and now he's expected to design for console as well and resents it so makes all the anti-console comments.
Wrong...I've seen both on consoles. Ever play EQOA on the PS2? It's a lot like WoW, or since it predates WoW, WoW is a lot like EQOA. Once the game is loaded, you will never see a load screen except when coaching/teleporting.
Then on which platform are people interested in playing multiplayer games in the lounge, around the TV, from indie developers?
none of them.
Give up the dream already....it's simply not feasible. You want to make a local multiplayer game for consoles, fine, then you should:
Get a job a a development house, that already does console games Then make your game. If you're not willing to move or travel to interview...then give up on the dream, because it's obvious that you don't want do to the "work" necessary to achieve it.
And it's not like he would have known if you hadn't done it either...because he died...well The Emperor died, and it was Boromir you delivered the amulet to.
Also if Liam Neeson was my dad, and then left our home...I would travel across a post-apocalyptic wasteland to find him. Just to hear him tell my I was a good kid for defusing a nuclear bomb, saving a town from firebreating ants, saving a small band of good-guy mercenary mappers, saving a town from Super Mutants, and breaking my legs and irradiating myself....for Science!
But as was said by someone else, all computers should sound like Majel Barrett Roddenberry.
Luckily for them the PS3 MMO competition is far weaker then the PC competition, so it'll probably do better there.
Unluckily their MMORPG competition on the PS3 includes their own FFXI, and at leat one MMORPG with a a very loyal small but hardcore fanbase, EQOA. Not to mention the Freemium FreeRealms which is a hell of a lot more fun and less annoying, than FFXI ever was.
It's been available for the home ever since the NES era. While the NES Gauntlet I isn't "real" Gauntlet, the NES port of Gauntlet II is faithful, though slow. Don't know about the Genesis or Lynx versions. There's a version for the SNES in one of those Midway collections released late in the SNES's life... It's also available for the PSone, PS2, PS3 (PSN download as well as the forementioned PSone and PS2 titles if you have a CECHA/B/E PS3), and PSP.
Yes, but in the old days the screen was at eye level or below and there was but one FULL game in there, not just a demo disc with a few videos. Hell, considering all the PS3 and 360 can do they should have mutliple machines set up showing of various features and NOT with video but actually letting people get to use the PS3's web browser, or visit PS3 Home as a guest, etc.
Greetings Starfighter, you have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada.
Not a knockoff, per se, and that Gunstar was a fairly realistic space fighter, being able to fire in MANY directions (due to the mini turrets it has), not just forward.
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Oh there's trouble right here in the Galaxy, Trouble with a capital T that doesn't rhyme with K that stands for Ko-Dan!
The problem with the AppleTV is that it doesn't do all that much that the PS3/Xbox 360 don't already do. There are standalone Blu-Ray players that can do some or all of what the AppleTV can do.
And Besides their usual brown shooter of the week/action game of the week titles the PS3 and 360 also have your usual iFoo device style games like Angry Birds.
Well that's true...and I did install Linux on my PS3 the day I got it. And I do miss YDL.
But...it' wasn't exactly the shiznit either. I mean sure, it basically added another computer to the household. You had a real web browser, e-mail clients, OO, GIMP, the usual Linux stuff...Nethack.... but....No Flash and no hardware acceleration for X (even Linux on the PS2 had "some" hardware acceleration for 2D. It wasn't totally awesome.
I wouldn't exactly call OtherOS "advertised". Yes, Slashdot readers knew about it, and maybe a few other geeks, but the masses didn't know and wouldn't care.
Even amongst the people complaining about the removal...I doubt very few of them actually ran OtherOS or we'd have seen a LOT more people on the Yellow Dog Linux boards. And besides the available partitioning schemes suck. you either have 10GB for OtherOS and the rest for GameOS, which is a serious limit for Linux....or you have 10GB for GameOS and the rest for Linux, which seriously cripples GameOS. I did the latter at first, when I got my PS3, because I didn't know how big those game caches were. I eventually repartitioned it the other way.
Did I like having my PS3 running Linux, yes I did, Do I miss OtherOS, yes. But I understand why Sony did what they did, even though I wish they could have found a way for us to keep OtherOS AND gaming (and add a proper split the drive in half partitioning scheme)
No, at that time updates were NEVER automatically installed. and for that update 3.21, it warned you that you would lose OtherOS and required you to confirm the update twice, not just once.
Nowadays you CAN have it automatically update, if you're a PSN plus user, but you have to be a PSN+ user and actively enable the feature.
The problem with that is that you can't use that right click menu if you're already running an application full screen, you either have to minimize or resize to see desktop. Fluxbox could use "start button". Yes I know, you can bind the right click application menu to something like Ctrl+F1 or something.
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Yep, direct e-mail on the 26th, I just checked it.
My /boot is 485MB with 83% free, do you think that will be enough, because pre-upgrade failed for the F14 to F15 preupgrade for me.
Probably played too much Diablo:
"Ahhh, Fresh Meat" --- The Butcher
The last thing Microsoft wants is for people to find out or realize that you can do "computery" things without a computer running one of their operating systems. It's why they had shills in the late 80's early 90's saying: "Hey, don't buy an Amiga or ST, because you'll need to bring home work from the office and those machines don't use the "industry standard" software".
Or when Microsoft bought WebTV, which allowed people to send e-mail, use USENET, IRC chat, and view webpages on a consumer oriented piece of hardware that hooked up to the TV and didn't run Windows, and then let it languish.
Sega, Sony and Nintendo probably scared Microsoft silly when their hardware became capable of running PC style games without being cut down so much Sega's netlink and Sony's prototype PSone modem probably gave them the impetus for entering the market. "If we don't enter their makret, they'll eventually enter ours and make game consoles that people can use to browse the net." Sony's use of Linux tools for developing probably gave them fits as well.
And think of the PS2...acknowledged capable of running Linux from the start, with a slot for a hard drive and networking, and USB ports. Microsoft knew that Cony could do some kind of "web kiosk" software for the PS2 any time they wanted to, or worse, do a general release of the Linux kit. SCEE apparently had a "Live" version of the distro in the Linux kit that they tested out. Let's also not forget the Japan only release of the BBN software which let Japanese PS2 owners do a lot of stuff that we Americans only got to do upon release of the PS3.
Then came the PS3...which at one time, ran Linux out of the box, all you needed was install media. And there was at one time a plan to install it by default on all PS3's alongside GameOS. The PS3 also does media, and has a built in web browser, and support for downloadable apps (though Sony didn't add an "app" section to the PSN store till recently). That thing was Microsoft's worst nightmare come to life. Who needs Windows to play complex games? Who needs Windows just to visit facebook.
So Microsoft has to stay in the market just to keep Sony and/or Nintendo off balance enough to prevent them from getting any more ideas.
Compare that to the stinking unworkable piles of shit that were the average Linux distros at the time, hell, I remember Gnome back when XP was released and it looked like some horrible blocky IRIX knockoff. That was back when ISP's gave you shell accounts and the only sane uses of Linux were running servers and taking IRC channels.
I think you're misremembering your dates there. XP came out in 2001, long past the age of ISP shell accounts, perhaps you're thinking of Win 3.1
I used gnome a bit back in 2002, on a Red Hat 6 variant. it basically looked like a GTK1 version of the Gnome 2.foo I used on Fedora 12, 13 and 14. I used single panel on bottom style, applications button on the left, notifications and clock on the right, taskbar in the middle. Very Windows-ish The KDE1 version on that old Red Hat variant was also very Windows ish by default.
Perhaps you should have announced which language you used, not everyone, even on slashdot, would recognize python from such a short snippet of code. Let alone realize it's probably Python3, when it fails to work Python2 is still the default on many systems, including Fedora.
Oh, I'm not asking you to give up your 60" screen with surround sound home theater speakers, I'm just saying the phone will replace the XBox 360 or other game console.
Which are often connected to 60" screens and surround sound.
And lets not forget:
Spyro
Crash Bandicoot
All the PC to PSone ports. DOOM, Panzer General, and X-Com are alll early "big box" PSone games.
Warzone 2100 (simultaneous release on PC)
Quake II
About the only Japan dominated genre on the PSone were RPG's because at that time US/UK RPG devs were still VERY anti-console.
I'd say. Restore true PS2 compatibility in hardware
They don't need to, the figured out how to "remaster" at least some PS2 games for the PS2 Classics section on PSN These aren't the GoW or ICO/SoC HD remakes, but actual PS2 games.
Besides, the PlayStation fans who had large libraries of PS2 games bought their PS3's years ago back during the CECHA/CECHB/CECHE era. Any newcomers to sony systems probably don't have such libraries.
What? never added a Network adapter or HDD to your PS2, or upgrade your hard drive on your PS3?
Carmack is an imbecile who only really knows progamming on PC's and making tech demos designed as games. He's never had to learn how to design for fixed hardware, being the sort of guy who builds a game that everyone suggests you upgrade your machine to play and now he's expected to design for console as well and resents it so makes all the anti-console comments.
Wrong...I've seen both on consoles. Ever play EQOA on the PS2? It's a lot like WoW, or since it predates WoW, WoW is a lot like EQOA. Once the game is loaded, you will never see a load screen except when coaching/teleporting.
Then on which platform are people interested in playing multiplayer games in the lounge, around the TV, from indie developers?
none of them.
Give up the dream already....it's simply not feasible. You want to make a local multiplayer game for consoles, fine, then you should:
Get a job a a development house, that already does console games
Then make your game.
If you're not willing to move or travel to interview...then give up on the dream, because it's obvious that you don't want do to the "work" necessary to achieve it.
And it's not like he would have known if you hadn't done it either...because he died...well The Emperor died, and it was Boromir you delivered the amulet to.
Also if Liam Neeson was my dad, and then left our home...I would travel across a post-apocalyptic wasteland to find him. Just to hear him tell my I was a good kid for defusing a nuclear bomb, saving a town from firebreating ants, saving a small band of good-guy mercenary mappers, saving a town from Super Mutants, and breaking my legs and irradiating myself....for Science!
But as was said by someone else, all computers should sound like Majel Barrett Roddenberry.
Luckily for them the PS3 MMO competition is far weaker then the PC competition, so it'll probably do better there.
Unluckily their MMORPG competition on the PS3 includes their own FFXI, and at leat one MMORPG with a a very loyal small but hardcore fanbase, EQOA. Not to mention the Freemium FreeRealms which is a hell of a lot more fun and less annoying, than FFXI ever was.
It's been available for the home ever since the NES era. While the NES Gauntlet I isn't "real" Gauntlet, the NES port of Gauntlet II is faithful, though slow. Don't know about the Genesis or Lynx versions. There's a version for the SNES in one of those Midway collections released late in the SNES's life... It's also available for the PSone, PS2, PS3 (PSN download as well as the forementioned PSone and PS2 titles if you have a CECHA/B/E PS3), and PSP.
Yes, but in the old days the screen was at eye level or below and there was but one FULL game in there, not just a demo disc with a few videos. Hell, considering all the PS3 and 360 can do they should have mutliple machines set up showing of various features and NOT with video but actually letting people get to use the PS3's web browser, or visit PS3 Home as a guest, etc.
Greetings Starfighter, you have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada.
Not a knockoff, per se, and that Gunstar was a fairly realistic space fighter, being able to fire in MANY directions (due to the mini turrets it has), not just forward.
Oh there's trouble right here in the Galaxy, Trouble with a capital T that doesn't rhyme with K that stands for Ko-Dan!
The problem with the AppleTV is that it doesn't do all that much that the PS3/Xbox 360 don't already do. There are standalone Blu-Ray players that can do some or all of what the AppleTV can do.
And Besides their usual brown shooter of the week/action game of the week titles the PS3 and 360 also have your usual iFoo device style games like Angry Birds.
Well that's true...and I did install Linux on my PS3 the day I got it. And I do miss YDL.
But...it' wasn't exactly the shiznit either. I mean sure, it basically added another computer to the household. You had a real web browser, e-mail clients, OO, GIMP, the usual Linux stuff...Nethack.... but....No Flash and no hardware acceleration for X (even Linux on the PS2 had "some" hardware acceleration for 2D. It wasn't totally awesome.
I wouldn't exactly call OtherOS "advertised". Yes, Slashdot readers knew about it, and maybe a few other geeks, but the masses didn't know and wouldn't care.
Even amongst the people complaining about the removal...I doubt very few of them actually ran OtherOS or we'd have seen a LOT more people on the Yellow Dog Linux boards. And besides the available partitioning schemes suck. you either have 10GB for OtherOS and the rest for GameOS, which is a serious limit for Linux....or you have 10GB for GameOS and the rest for Linux, which seriously cripples GameOS. I did the latter at first, when I got my PS3, because I didn't know how big those game caches were. I eventually repartitioned it the other way.
Did I like having my PS3 running Linux, yes I did, Do I miss OtherOS, yes. But I understand why Sony did what they did, even though I wish they could have found a way for us to keep OtherOS AND gaming (and add a proper split the drive in half partitioning scheme)
No, at that time updates were NEVER automatically installed. and for that update 3.21, it warned you that you would lose OtherOS and required you to confirm the update twice, not just once.
Nowadays you CAN have it automatically update, if you're a PSN plus user, but you have to be a PSN+ user and actively enable the feature.
The problem with that is that you can't use that right click menu if you're already running an application full screen, you either have to minimize or resize to see desktop. Fluxbox could use "start button". Yes I know, you can bind the right click application menu to something like Ctrl+F1 or something.
the average game price has doubled in the past 15 years
15 years ago was 1996. The average game price in 1996 for a new PSone game was $49.99. The average game price for a new PS3 game in 2011 is $59.99
That's not double.